Nationals is open for business…. Quick updates
 

Early access is open at Nationals and PSa grading lines are already long and the place is getting more crowded. Not all vendors are set up

I have no regrets that I am not set up this year. Hope the vendors get set up in time to start tearing down on Sunday. It is a grind, and I am closing on 74, without help I doubt I can take the rigors of a full national convention.

Hey Jeff, if you see Mike Peich, Dan McKee, Jeff Prizner, or Ethan Ready will you please give them a nice pinch for me and tell them Hi!

Will do if I can find them in this madness

Love the onsite recon. Keep it coming. I'll be living vicariously through you all weekend :) Thanks!

One disappointment was a booth of Fantasy memorabilia. I will take a pic when I go back Friday. PSA line was long but my son came and I ended up 5th person in line. The PSA "Expedited" line was everything but expidated. Business looked brisk saw lots of cards being snached up. I was disappointed in amount of vintage available. Definitely outgunned by modern and gaming. Not many folks with masks on so plan accordingly. I was full n95 myself..

From the other side of the table
 

I'm at booth 861. I was set up and ready to roll when the doors opened. Sales were steady. I had a very good day 1. A broad range of items sold. Pretty good crowd for day 1 as well.

Walking the room there was (as usual) an incredible array of items. Didn't pay close attention to pricing. The SGC 9.5 Mantle is a sight to behold in person!

I invite all Net 54 members to stop by and introduce yourselves!

Howard

The hotels were an easy walk to the convention center.
The Lines on first day were long to get your pass. I had the basic VIP pass. The lines moved well.
They gave gift bag but it was mostly an eBay bag and a bunch of advertisements and the like for the various vendors and coupons to the autographs of some sports stars including Pat Listsch, milt Thompson, Steve Baker, Don Money, Mark Moseley, Rico Petrocelli.
The VIP area a lot of tables to sit and relax and regroup.

They let us in and the PSA line was very very long. The place was full and busy within 30 minutes
1. Most dealers were there but many were not fully set up
2. Fair amount of tables no one when at.
3. Many tables were shared by multiple dealers.
4. Only made it thru sections 100 thru 600 on the first evening and most of those tables were modern cards.
5. As I got into the 600’s vintage was starting.
6. So a lot of people coming in with card carriers looking to sell or trade cards. The people trying to sell the dealers the cards were looking to get full retail but the dealers were offering approx 70 cents on the dollar (and most were upfront about it and their need to make money by flipping it. People doing trades with dealers were getting closer to 100%. Value.
7. Trying to go thru to see what people have and making notes so I no where to go back. So far no must haves on my potential bigger purchase
8. Ran into a few people on this forum but more might be here but do not know them be sight so sadly may have missed many.
9. Picked up a few smaller items including 1914 B-18 blankets of Joe Jackson, Ty Cobb, and Walter Johnson and a 1921 Mid Week Pictorial with Babe Ruth on cover

Today may be the only day I make it this year. I was into the show at 2pm thanks to an extra dealer badge, and the PSA line was an hour long then! I did manage to pick this up in the first 15 mins I was in the show - just too nice to pass up. It’s a 1.5 that looks like a 7 thanks to the spots of paperloss on the back.

Sweet Green Cobb Jon, enjoy

That Jackson B-18 has great color Jeff, nice pickup!

also, really nice Green Cobb Jon. I like to get the great display cards with back damage myself as I don't really mind. That looks great.

That’s one nice looking Cobb T206

[QUOTE=mrreality68;2246466]
6. So a lot of people coming in with card carriers looking to sell or trade cards.
What's a card carrier?

[QUOTE=Hankphenom;2246548]It is a suitcase type box that you can fit graded cards into to carry into shows and such. It is all the rage these days,,,,,cough..

Regards,

Butch

[QUOTE=butchie_t;2246549]Thanks, Butch, sounds like must-have equipment for the new generation of wheeler-dealers...cough... "Everything passes, everything changes, just do what you think you should do..."--Bob Dylan

There is a vendor set up at the show specializing in these cases.

[QUOTE=butchie_t;2246549]butch lol

Hint
 

..discount if you have a man-bun and really cool shades and the newest I-Phone

....and a slightly smaller friend who follows you around from a distance of 11 inches..

..

New card suitcase ? Hmm, sounds interesting. I always just did the shoebox in a duffle bag.

Jeff,

How is the Babe Ruth selection there? Mainly playing days stuff.
Nice pickups everyone!

Thanks for the updates y'all. Fun to hear a little about the National.

Actually the Ruth selection is not big except the Goudey’s however the Ruth’s that are here are higher end and really nice eye appeal. But the prices on some are competitive and 1 vendor was so so over priced on Ruth and Jackson even above a “Nationals Markup”. I mean they wanted $55k for a rookie Joe Jackson PSA 1 and a 1921 exhibit Ruth $20k for an SGC 1.5 as an example and also a 1922 e121 American caramel Ruth holding ball a 1.5 for $33k

Biggest issue of the Nationals
No Wi-Fi and very bad cellular coverage
Minimal food vendors so the lines are super super long
Not enough stations to get drinks and same issue with long lines

Great meeting a lot of the dealers here and seeing people and networking

Is there more than one National going on?

Hi everyone
I was speaking to a dealer today who said he was unable to park and had to leave . Has parking been an issue? What about before the show opens? I was thinking about driving over tomorrow morning (instead of taxi), but don’t want to waste my time.

LOL. The show is so great it warrants the s!

No first hand knowledge, but Blowout has a section just for the National in their forum. There are comments in that thread that parking is a major mess today. IIRC, one commenter decided to leave after driving around for an hour and try again tomorrow.

At the 2016 National in AC, parking in the main convention center garage was plentiful and always available.

Full before 10 AM if you believe posts on the Blowout forum.

Just went today,
Got in the show around 10:15.
Was really amazing for about 2 hours. Then got slammed. Hard to move around, the usual.
It’s crazy how much you can get through when you are on a hunt for certain very rare cards and the show isn’t busy yet. I probably got through 80% of the vintage baseball dealers in those first 2 hours. Slogged through the rest in the following hours.
Steered clear of the company booths. Unfortunately not a ton of what I was looking for but that is to be expected.

As for transportation, DON’T try to park at the event center unless you get there very early.
Park at a lot or parking garage and take a taxi. Skip the headache.

Both parking and traffic around the AC Convention Center was a mess today. Lots and garages filled up quickly, and there was no law enforcement on hand for traffic control. One of the great things about Chicago is you can leave the convention floor by foot to grab a bite or go to your hotel, then go back to the convention. The option, for the most part in AC, is to take your car or cab/Uber. Not nearly as convenient, and it creates traffic problems. From the time we got in our vehicle to away from the convention area, a good 30 minutes had passed. Hoping for attendees on the weekend that traffic police will be working the area.

Thanks, the problem for me is that I am staying at the marina side of AC…. $15 for an Uber to the convention. Then a cab charged me $30 to get back, takin advantage of the mob scene …

Like figure skating or gymnastics, I guess. But every year someone seems to use the plural.

Wow?! That is an insane price. Definitely need to bargain with them. Not sure they have fixed prices or much regulation..
I paid $13 for my taxi back.

Sounds like a logistical clusterf**k of National proportions.

Jon, incredible looking Green Cobb, congrats.

Parking
 

Went Wednesday evening, and the biggest problem by far (aside from no cellular reception) was finding a parking spot. I finally found a convenient garage on Club Ln for only $5 for 8 hours. It's a short 10 min walk to the convention center, if that, and it's an indoor garage and felt secure. I recommend the self park garage on Club Ln, directly across from the Caesars Self Parking garage entrance.

Some of the many issues with the venue and location. Not even cards could entice me to make the journey. The committee will stick to the location anyway.

Taxi everywhere. Strong advice. Park your car at a casino and leave it there.

Do any of you geezers have a cell phone?

Take it out and snap some pix and post.

Yes we need pictures, lots and lots of pictures. Some game used bats or even some cards.:)

Hi

I took lots of pictures and will post later.

The reception was so bad you could not even open the web unless you went outside the hall to get reception.

On the positive side there were lots of young kids with their dads and many had a list of things they wanted to buy, the fathers let the kids search, sometimes negotiate prices and pay.

Lots of activities to do and many vendors of products and services not just the card dealer.

Lots of both vintage and modern but modern was a lot more prevalent. There was many dealers selling Pokémon cards with 1 have 6 showcase lscof nothing but those cards.

Didn’t really take any pics unfortunately but I had to of this one.

My first National. Flew in for the day (Thursday) Was really happy to see a good amount of vintage. Plenty of T205/206/Goudey and many others out there. Local shows to be do not get that strong of vintage.

I came for 1914 Cracker Jacks but the selections were sparse (I’m told I should have come on Wed preview as most were bought then.

A fun experience for sure.

Staying at Claridge
 

Decent walk, glad I just parked at the hotel and missed the huge jam around the center. Thought vintage was okay tho maybe not quite what I hoped. My wife is with me and learned how to skip tables fast. Saw a nice 66 TOPPS FB checklist PSA 7 but 1500 was the ask. Looking at a few graded 52 Bowman’s.

I didn't make it this year. There's a lot of video of the show on YouTube by various people. It appears (as I expected) a lot of the shiny stuff and less vintage as pre-Covid Nationals and even less memorabilia. Next year the National is back in Chicago. It will be interesting to find out what locations they choose for 2024 and 2025. I wonder if they will eliminate Atlantic City for future shows due to lack of parking. We shall see. I think they vote tomorrow.

Vote tomorrow? That would be a a silly misguided thing to do, as opposed to waiting for the event to end, studying the data, getting feedback and making an informed educated decision. Hey, but what do I know...

This thread is starting to read a bit like all of the people who decided not to go three months ago will explain to you how awful it is this year …..

I got to AC as the show was letting out and the throng of people leaving by foot looked like the Rose Bowl was letting out after a football game.

Here are some pictures

Here are some more

Is that a grimace after the price, lol?

Holy crap, you weren't kidding with those Jackson prices.
$55k for an E90-1...$12.5k for a W514 SGC A...$10k & $12.5k for National Game/Tom Barker. Ouch. :eek:

Just one small request.....

If you're going to post pictures, please orient them correctly.

Too many pictures are posted sideways, and a few are even posted upside-down. Those of us who are using desktop computers will thank you.

Steve

Sorry about that. I did it from my iPhone and they all showed as right side up.

Thanks for the photos! I assume that those Ruth cards are priced with haggling in mind, because wow.

Thanks for all the pics. Much appreciated. I've experienced that particular cell phone frustration many times as well.

They were not or at least when I spoke to them that was the cash price

Haggling is so demeaning...just pay the $16,500 for the SGC1.5 W519 Ruth and get moving along. I've got other customers, bud.

Brian

I hear you, i saw the same things. I have been at Nationals since 1991 (when i felt then that i missed the “good old days!”), but not for a few years. The new grading standards, particularly recent SGC (unless you have a connection and a stain), are so tough that 1’s and 2’s can be like old 4/5s, and 4’s can look like 7/8 to me. So never a better time to buy the card not the holder, but the change is massively confusing and pricing all over the place.

One MAJOR complaint is tables of graded cards with no prices….it’s very annoying to have to look through cards and try to find something you like and have no idea how a dealer’s pricing is. I only had one day and wanted to cruise because i was just looking for a few needs/wants, so I get that all i had to do was see a few to know if the dealer is realistic or not…

Anyway, for things i was looking for (vintage hockey, A Ruth exhibit 1922, a T3 i needed, and more early baseball), it was pretty limited.

The modern stuff was packed and all over, i bet it’s fun but i look at the tables and the glossy cards and i just dont know how to even know what I am looking at. Good luck to modern collectors!

More so never seen a Venezuelan graded that high.

Great pics, you have alot of the same cards I took photos of at memory lane booth back at the Strongsville show of the Ruth’s. Incredible display of awesomeness!

My wife and I were a couple of blocks away from the convention center a little after 10 am, just shy of the entrance to the parking garage there was a cop coming up to the vehicles telling everyone that the parking garage was full and it was closed. When I asked him where we could park he told me good luck it's every man for himself and added that it was a major mess because of a lack of preparation. We drove around looking for a place to park for at least another hour before I gave up and parked across town at the Golden Nugget.







If it was a city cab they're regulated to a maximum charge of $13 unless you're going to the airport which is $35.

After we parked at the Golden Nugget we asked about a getting a cab, the guy in the valet parking called one for us but he said he had been calling all morning and most of the time no one showed up or it was a long time before they did. After a minute or two a guy pulled up in a stretch limo and asked if we needed a ride, my wife told him we did need a ride to the convention center but we didn't want to pay for a limo to get there, he said he would take us there for $20 and after driving around for over an hour and seeing several people there still waiting for a cab it seemed like a bargain.

Some pie in the sky cray cray prices...but if you don't like it...find another!!!!

https://www.net54baseball.com/attach...1&d=1659064675

Now that would slow me down for a gander.

can't get enough of this trio!!!! that Tex you just never see...and the fred photo is ok too.

I'd expect those two to be high 5 figures asking.

Definitely agree with this. Yesterday I was looking at a stack of cards and the dealer actually said to me they're not priced yet, come back tomorrow and I'll have prices on them.

no soup for you!

Aren't those Ruth's on an auction house table?

Some observations
1. The forum prep thread and what to do in Atlantic City thread was spot on
2. The convention center as a place is nice and location to the Casino’s for shows, entertainment, walk ability to convention was nice.
3. The convention center infrastructure not so good. From not enough parking, no easy alternatives, to no Wi-Fi or cellular service (saw many dealers and buyers doing deals outside the convention hall to get reception to transact.
4. Dealers were saying the convention center was trying to charge $350 for them to have Wi-Fi access for the 5 days
5. Cash is king need to bring more next time( not comfortable carrying a lot), checks were accepted by some with Id, and by others with References (luckily I had some that vouched for me). PayPal was the 2nd preferred method but not by all dealers and also depending on the reception issues mentioned above
6. eBay is making a big move trying to get into/expand in the hobby. Their “bags” were the Alonso bag for the VIP giveaways
7. The VIP lounge was functional but not necessarily useful. It was good to get fast access entry and avoid lines and good to sit and network with people when spending 8 plus hours in the place. The down side is the “lounge” had no real amenities for food and drink just a place to rest and separate bathroom from the non VIP. The downside it was at one end of convention in hall A so if you were at the far end of convention you had a long walk to get to the lounge
8. Great place to network, meet people from the forum( met many members including Pete C, Pete I, Darrell, Matt, Tony L and others. Great place to put names with faces from auction houses etc
9. Interesting watching kids and teens sitting on floors and in corners doing trades and show off what they got, traded for etc. next generation of collectors.
10. Interesting seeing the large number of people with suitcases of cards and cash(saw one guy casually take out over $200k to buy a mantle) and his suitcase looked stuffed with cash and cards.
11. The place was super packed with people
12. Football, hockey, basketball ball, and Pokémon cards all had huge presence this year.
13. Their was cards, stamps, memorabilia and so much more at every price point which means something for everyone.
14. The layout was ok and could have been better organized. It would have been nice for the masses if the place had as best possible organized by category ie all baseball in the same area or aisles, over by vintage a modern etc.
15. It would be nice if next to each vendor tables on the map or list it tells what their primary focus is. Just something to make it easier to find things.
-6. It took me approx 15 hours to hit everything and kind of get my bearings.
17. Making notes of items I saw, prices, location numbers and pictures were key so when I wanted to double back on things I knew where to go.
18. Need for control not to just buy the first thing you see because often I found the same item/card some other table at better prices or saw a more must have item/card at another table especially if working with a budget(and yes there were times I went back and the item was sold) but sticking to the plan left me with the funds to get what I really wanted that I would not have if in the first 2 rows I bought on impulse the items that caught my eye.
19. Key to have a good breakfast and then bring drinks or snacks do to long lines, limited food/drink options to both save time and money.
20. Time seems to go to fast. When I was 6 hours in on Thursday for example I thought it was only a couple of hours
21. When they want you out they push. The VIP lounge closed at 4 and they made announcements before hand and pushed you out. The convention closed at 6pm thru started announcements at 5pm and continued until you left by 6
22 getting out of the parking garage at 6pm plus looked like a night mare and no real help from police or convention center
23. Ubers and taxis where there but not enough for those that came out at same time(luckily the casinos were straight up the road and easy walk for many of us)

I am sure I missed something and hopefully the others can fill in the blanks

Depending which ones you are looking at some were from Memory Lane and they were from Joe’s personal collection and some were for sale most for his display so many of us could enjoy/drool

Wait, WHAT?? I'm heading down tomorrow and I know I'm going to hate myself for doing it but #1, it's in my backyard, # I need a few more Dockman's to complete my set, and #3 I'm nostalgic.... I haven't been to a Nationals since I setup in '92 in Atlanta while in college!

I just hope nobody tells me to come back on Sunday - that's not happening.

Unless there is another National next to this one it is National, not plural. Thanks
.

I suppose it is possible those using the pluralized version might actually be at a game where the Washington Nationals are playing, no?

Grammar Police alert! Thanks, Sergeant.

....or typing really quickly before heading into a meeting.... I've been put on blast by the Sergeant - LOL.

Back to cards. I'll provide a report once I return over the weekend.

Why yes that is exactly it.

Haha! Must be nice to be in that position.

Kind of like the former member here, who liked to use "we" all the time, instead of "I".

Steve

I fixed the auto Ruths pic for you, if you wanna copy and paste it into your original post...

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We resent being referred to as a former member. We would be careful if we were you. The last time we were impugned in such a malicious fashion, we threatened Archive with legal action, and that has kept said bottom dweller quiet. Not a peep from that burger flipping miscreant since.

Brian (I before We, except after C)