WW3 Please SAY NO!
 

Here are the 10 countries with the most nuclear weapons:
Russia (6,257)
United States (5,550)
China (350)
France (290)
United Kingdom (225)
Pakistan (165)
India (156)
Israel (90)

Comparing the Little Boy Atomic Bomb used in WW2 versus todays nukes--

1945 -Little Boy = 30,000,000 pounds of TNT

Today--100 Kilotons = 220,462,262 pounds of TNT -

experts say there may be more powerful nukes out there! Its scary what mankind has created!

I'm going to refrain from getting political, but for the sake of this thread, there's not going to be a World War III. I have a better chance of becoming Pope than World War III happening.

This isn't political --just facts--so why does any county need thousands of these type weapons in their arsenal-??

The Pope

Charlie, they took my thumb!


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Lucky to survive
 

That fellow was lucky to survive just losing a Thumb , thousands of people were instantly vaporized with 5,000 degree blast of heat with the very low yield Little Boy bomb.

Agree with Curley--anything would be better than radiation poisoning--

Why does Israel need 90?

Deterrent. A first strike by Russia for instance might target and destroy a good number of our weapons before they deploy. The idea is to have enough to still retaliate in force, no matter how heavy the preemptive first strike. Not to mention, a retaliation may involve targeting multiple other countries (and our main adversaries are nations with a lot of territory.)

It's not a pleasant thought, but there is a certain logic to it.

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I'm looking at this differently than the MSM's current narrative. The worldwide criminal cabal has used Ukraine to launder money for years. I think there's a whole lot more going on there than advertised, IMO.

Lot of mental gymnastics going on here, I'm not even going to attempt to decipher or rationalize.

Curious....who's "The Worldwide Criminal Cabal"?

Also, do you think Putin...who is to crooked Russian Oligarchs, what Roger Goodell is to NFL owners, is attempting to rid the world of money laundering by invading the Ukraine?

Asking for a friend.

Ok, I take it back. I'm attempting to decipher. :D

Sometimes I just wish we could trash threads.

B. Turner

I come here to get away from the world madness…… at least I try to.

Nuclear weapons are the ONLY reason there hasn't been a WWIII for 77 years.

The Truth about Ukraine/Russia NOT what you think.

https://youtu.be/Sm8QfxZ3HHw

"Lets wait a month and see how things are"

I did read the paratroopers, possibly including Spetsnaz, who landed at Hostomel Airport, near Kyiv, got taken to the woodshed. If Marco Rubio's twitter is accurate (and I think it is; he sits on the Senate Intelligence Committee) then the invasion has already taken longer, and cost more, than Putin expected.

I believe this is the correct place on the forum for this discussion? 'WaterCooler Talk: Off Topics', no? Sorry, I just read Leon's 'no politics' rule. My fault.

Not sure if this is violating the 'No Politics' rule, so correct me if I'm wrong Leon...

Call me crazy, but the curtain is slowly being pulled open everyday to reveal who's been hiding in the shadows.

The Criminal Cabal consists of, among others, the Central Bankers, the WEF and Klaus Schwab, the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, and the Windsors (some would include the Vatican on this list, to my initial surprise as I'm Catholic).

The Buffett, Soros, Gates, Bloomberg, Bezos, Zuckerberg, and the 'political leader' type folks in our world are simply their foot soldiers carrying out and pushing their agenda towards a One World Government/Global Reset, a cashless Digital Currency, population control, etc.

Sigh

IMO this is more about what's happening in the world than flat out politics. Please try to steer clear of outright political statements. And for anyone not wanting this stuff on the forum, don't read it.
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Don't worry that post is not political. You did leave the reptilian and grey alien overlords off your list. Also needed a random reference to bigfoot being real.:D:D:D

Ben.......I knew I was forgetting some folks. Dang it! I'll try harder next time. :D

Jimmy Buffett is in on this too?????

Once they get Angus Young and Adam Sandler.....that's it folks!

What about the Koch brothers, Richard Uihlein, Rich DeVos, Steve Schwarzman, or Rupert Murdoch??

They will never get Angus.

Oh, but they did...

https://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_...200;center,top

Damn right!

Mostly because they can't catch him. He never stops moving.

You forgot Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Marjorie Taylor Green, Elise Stefanik, and so on. Comrade Vladimir Putin, how could you forget him? He goes to the top of the list, yes?

Yeah, sure James. Put 'em all on your list. Whatever floats your boat. :D

I'd like to add Aaron Rodgers, Megan Fox, Bill Murray, and da coach Mike Ditka.

Sorry, you must have missed my post. What about the Koch brothers?

I believe you must have missed his post. I think the phrases "among others" and "and the 'political leader' type folks" allows room for more.

No, I read his post, and he listed the typical left-wing boogeymen. I was wondering if he viewed the right-wing boogeymen the same way. I'm surprised you didn't notice that.

Let me translate your statement for others.

Translated = I have nothing better to do than to instigate folks.

Uh, OK, what was the meaning of your post to me, then?

Pretty disingenuous pretending he didn't have a point.

To help you identify your reading comprehension problem because his original statement left room for others not identified on his list.

Pretty disingenuous of you asking him a question, him answering the question and you replying with only "sigh".

Well, as long as you weren't trying to instigate anything, I guess we're all good.

Guys, for every cruise missile Putin lobs into the Ukraine, he's strategically taking out another money launderer used by one of those dirty filthy left wing soft hearted cabals of criminal reptilian snowflakes.

He's what a real hero looks like. Standing up to the MSM and lizard people everywhere. ;)

I don't think you know what disingenuous means.

Sigh

I'm not trying to get political or anything but..................................:D

Nope, nope, nope........own up to it at least. No matter what side of the fence you're on.

:D

I don't necessarily view the folks I listed as 'Left-Wing'. They might be, but I don't know their political views or do I give a flyin' flip.

The Central Bankers don't care about politics, they just want to control everyone with debt. That's it.

The rest of the folks I mentioned are much higher on the food chain than your guys, including Trump. We can get in a pissing match over it, but who honestly cares? I don't. You have your opinions and I have mine. Take care.

Michael Crichton once said “Life is Hard, but it’s harder if you are stupid.”

With that in mind I commend some of you for everything you’ve overcome in life.


A sovereign nation was invaded by its neighbor, hundreds of thousands of refugees are fleeing their homes, people are dying because of lunacy, a nation is rising up to defend itself and you jerk offs are debating conspiracy theories Fox Mulder couldn’t come up with if Hannibal Lecter sautéd his frontal lobe for Scully. It’s idiotic. Luckily most of us live in America so you’re welcome to have those opinions. Luckily people who aren’t shaded on the short bus spectrum can call it for how densely moronic it is.

Not interested in a pissing match, just thought you were doing the old "The Liberals are going to destroy the world" malarkey. But you are talking about something different, so carry on. At the end of the day, we probably can both agree that another stupid war is starting, and more young men (and women now) are going to die. And that sucks.

Hey Irv, how do you and your Russian comrades spin the following to demonize the US and justify Russia attacking Ukraine?

2. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations

Excerpted from Letter dated 7 December 1994 from the Permanent representatives of the Russian Federation, Ukraine, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America to the United Nations addressed to the Secretary-General

Dammit Ben.... you beat me to it.
Of course THEY don't want anyone to know about the reptilians.


Say, is that a black Cadillac pulling into the driveway? Gotta go!

I don't understand what this thread is getting at; Putin doesn't take direction from a baseball card forum. At any rate, with his invasion spinning its wheels, Kamila Valieva's fall at the Olympics was not the worst flop from the Russians. The roughly 1,000 Russian paratroopers who landed at Hostomel airport lasted less than a day before they were wiped out by reservists and a handful of foreign volunteers. By comparison, at the Battle of Arnhem, 750 British paratroopers held out for nine days against elements of two Waffen-SS Panzer divisions.

Who knows, maybe he collects?

It's possible this is all about the illuminati and their stash of Wagners rescued from ALC which are right next to the 52High numbers that were NOT actually dumped in the Hudson or ocean or wherever.

And all stored in Ukraine....

Let's try not to make it too political and continue. Personally I think we should be doing more to help. Aren't there some long range missiles, somewhere, that can be lobbed into Russian military...and maybe Putin? Not from the US, but some of our allies?
And I understand why Russia isn't kicked out of all SWIFT but there has to be other ways than continuing to buy 500k barrels of oil from Russia, currently? At least that is what I read. This is complicated but it's very clear Putin has committed crimes against humanity. Hopefully he will be help accountable some day.
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I'm very surprised that the Poles, Romanians, and the Baltic states aren't getting involved more. Once Putin gets done gobbling up Ukraine, they are next on the menu. And if the Finns want Karelia back, now's the time to get it.

I took it as the OP wants the US, Israel, the UK, France, and India to dismantle all of their nuclear weapons, those other three never will.

He's not touching Poland or Romania.

He just wants what the Soviet Union lost.

The Baltic States?

The Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore. Not any more then Yugoslavia, or an undivided Korea.

Russia exists. Ukraine exists. Soviet Union does not. There are countries that CHOSE to remain under the influence of Russia. Ukraine was not one of them.

They were both part of the Eastern Bloc.

sorry, to clarify, he just wants those countries they had that are not NATO countries, or that was his original plan anyway.

so I highly doubt he's going after Poland, Romania and the Baltic States.

especially after he sees how this is going.

he's gonna get Ukraine back and that will probably be the end of it, again after he saw how everyone else has united against him.

If he was hoping for ALL those countries, guessing this has changed his mind. He'll take Ukraine though, what's left of it anyway.

I really hope they're banished from the SWIFT system, then other forms of payment will be required for the oil, but I don't think the Central Banks will go this route unfortunately.

Well, it highlights, yet again, why we should produce as much energy here as we can, for our own use as well as our allies. Being dependent on the Middle East and Russia for energy is a miserable strategy.

The economic pain being inflicted on Russia will bring Putin to his knees long before the Ukranians stop fighting. Not to mention, the military isn't backing this invasion, the soldiers have very low morale, protests in Russia continue, supplies and mercenaries are flooding into Ukraine from many (highly motivated) countries, and so on.

Europe has seen this kind of land grab by a megalomaniac before and this time they are confronting it early, with a tightly unified effort.

Frankly, NATO is much stronger now than ever before, and it will soon be adding more members, like Finland for sure.

Putin loses this military quagmire, is humiliated, and will not survive in power. Meanwhile, I'm watching with interest how Bitcoin fares in all this.

Sadly you are incorrect. Baring an overthrow of Putin internally it's highly unlikely what you say plays out. He will take the Ukraine and fairly soon.

Yes, many of the Russian soldiers may be against what they are doing, but remove your American way of thinking. In Russia you do what you are told or you disappear and/or spend your life in prison.

See what happens to their protestors. Are they allowed to protest or thrown in jail?

Putin is old school, he cares nothing about Twitter, Social Media, the free world's opinion of him, etc.

And with all these sanctions has he pulled ANYTHING back, or moved forward with his plan.

He will take Ukraine. They just can't win a war of attrition with Russia.

If Afghanistan could bog down Russia for a decade, and the USA for 2 decades, the people of Ukraine can continue to resist long enough for Russia to be brought to its knees economically.

The Ruble is now worth less than one cent and the Russian stock market can't even open because the minute it does, it collapses. Vlad might not care, but every other Russian does.

It's good to be optimistic. However, I'm realistic.

2 decades, don't compare the 2 it's like comparing apples and borscht.......this will be over by April 1, and that's no joke.

Do you have any idea how long a 40 mile military caravan is? (40 miles)......but seriously just imagine that, 40 miles, one after the other, and yes I know they have some issues, but they will correct and keep moving forward. Just a matter of time.

Russia will take Ukraine.

https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-col...120729379.html

Russian troops are struggling without food and fuel, a Ukrainian colonel told The Wall Street Journal.

It comes as the US and UK say the 40-mile-long Russian military convoy bearing down on Kyiv is stalled.

UK intelligence said it was "delayed by staunch Ukrainian resistance, mechanical breakdown and congestion."

The 40-mile-long Russian military convoy bearing down on Ukraine's capital city appears to have been stalled for days, and a Ukrainian colonel said Russian troops were running low on supplies and morale.

The Ukrainian colonel told The Wall Street Journal: "The Russians thought they could break through and be in Kyiv in a couple of days. They didn't realize that we have learned how to wage war in the past eight years."

"Now they sit there, hungry, without fuel, demoralized, and we just come in every little while and pop them off. And every day, we are pushing them back."

The remarks come as the US and UK said the military convoy, which was spotted in Sunday satellite images apparently approaching Kyiv, had made little progress.

The UK Ministry of Defence said on Thursday the convoy was about 30 kilometers (19 miles) from Kyiv's center and struggling with issues including resistance from Ukrainians. Since last week's invasion, ordinary Ukrainians have been taking up arms to fend off Russian forces.

"The main body of the large Russian column advancing on Kyiv remains over 30km from the centre of the city having been delayed by staunch Ukrainian resistance, mechanical breakdown and congestion. The column has made little discernible progress in over three days," it said.

A senior US defense official also told reporters on Wednesday: "We believe that the convoy is stalled."

NPR reported that the convoy includes tanks, armored vehicles, artillery and supplies.

yep know all that....and probably true.

But again just a matter of time.

Other cities are falling in the meantime.

I mean it's not like Putin doesn't have a map of everything that is in that country.

He knows where everything is.

He'll turn the entire city into rubble in the meantime.

Be so nice if the Russian soldiers laid down their weapons and said F this, but you know where that will land them. Or if they really truly were incompetent , but these are temporary setbacks. They will correct and move forward.

Beer bottle molatov cocktails ain't gonna get it done.

Believe me I'm rooting for the underdog too, but odds are 99-1 against.

I would expect Russia to take Ukraine, but either way, I see no way for them to hold it. I cannot see this as anything but a colossal blunder on Putin's part.

500K barrels a day. And that's just about 7% of all oil imports.
Our domestic production is about 11.28 million a day.

But we export more than we import.

The stuff we get from Russia is used to serve some more remote areas and to balance off supply at refineries to keep them at capacity.

Thanks for the clarification. I don't disagree with much of what you've said here and in later posts.

I think he was hoping to take Ukraine in one piece early on, so he wouldn't have to rebuild it for his own purposes.

There's definitely resources in the Ukraine he wants to extract for himself. He's been stewing on this since 2014 when free elections and Zelensky, essentially kicked him out of the country.

Crimea was just the start.

Coincidentally (or not), the largest known deposit of Gold in the Ukraine, is in the Donbass region.

Not to mention all the lithium, uranium and coal that comes out of The Ukraine.

If he doesn't get to keep it, he's certainly going to try and completely flatten it on the way out.

Hi Steve.......is this still true, or is it a number from a couple years ago when gas was sub $2 a gallon? I thought a large amount of domestic oil production has pretty much been stalled in the past year. No?

It's time to wave the white flag.

I know Zelensky & the Ukraines want to fight, but Zelensky will save a lot of lives if he throws in the towel.

It's going to be the same outcome whether they fight now or not.

At a certain point in a boxing match the manager has to say does he want his guy to continue to take a beaten or stop it and hope for another day down the road.

If you are eliminated there is no new day down the road.

Gas was sub $2 a gallon because the pandemic hit, travel stopped...and with that, demand fell off quickly.

Oil companies had to stockpile it and had nowhere to put it, which is why oil was selling for less then $0 a barrel for awhile there.

They won't make that mistake again, anytime in the near future.

I had dinner with one of my former professors and advisor last night. He heads the history department at the college I attended and is probably one of the top 5 experts on WWI in the United States. His wife is a fellow at a major European political policy institute which is providing some of the most accurate and precise analysis of the war. His analysis is thus:

Starting at 0% from the moment Russia invaded he gives Ukraine a half percent more chance to win (Russian eventual withdrawal with no occupation) with every 48 hours that passes with the Ukrainian government intact and a supply line from NATO forces to Ukrainian.

They are out manned 11-1 and outgunned 100-1, but.... they are arguably much better trained, have better personal equipment, knowledge of the war zone, and most importantly a desire to fight to defend their homeland and democracy. Kyiv will likely become a battle for every building and in that scenario it normally takes 5 highly trained and motivated attackers for every 1 defender. As the world as astoundingly realized, the Russian main assault force has proven to be poorly trained and supported, lacking such basic needs as adequate comms, fuel, and rations.

You are absolutely right that someone should surrender to save more spilled blood - the Russian invading force. I would never expect my nation to kneel to an autocratic invasion and I sure wouldn’t ever ask someone else to do so either.

Zelensky is damned hero in the face of adversity unmatched, or as my friend put it “The world witnessing another Nation’s George Washington in real time.”

I sincerely hope Ukraine fights until the tide turns and the invading snake decapitates itself.

Well hopefully he studied WWII as well. Look at Stalingrad. Germans had the better army, but in time the numbers win out. The supply lines will eventually be cut off. Putin who already isn't playing fair, will continue to up that. And he'll gladly give up 5 of his for 1 of theirs.

Stalingrad took 6 months. Obviously not exactly the same situation, but similar enough. This will be over in a much shorter time frame.

Sad, but true.

Edited to add - I also do not want to see all those kids and babies grow up without a dad. I understand and respect and am in awe of Zelensky's passion/patriotism/dedication, but I prefer to see him and everyone left live. Zelensky should negotiate a surrender, maybe they can get a third of the country, Putin takes 2/3. Try to get it back down the road. Putin ain't gonna live forever. It would save a lot of lives.

It isn't just a war scenario - military vs opposition. The sanctions are absolutely devastating to Russia's economy, and eventually, to its ability and will to continue this. Time is on the side of the Ukranians.

A better combat analogy I think is our own Civil War. Grant keeping Lee at bay, while Sherman was wrecking the South's economy, ability and will to fight.

Sanctions are doing to Putin what Sherman did to the Confederates.

Is the goal to keep breathing, or to be able to actually live a life? We're seeing exactly what Putin is, and how casually he's willing to murder people by the thousands. Do you suppose existing under his iron fist would be a life you would want for yourself and your family?

"Give me liberty or give me death..."

Shameless plug for the Navy, which blockaded the southern coast and strangled their trade.

The Shermans appreciate it, though a trip to GA isnt on my radar without a name change

Yah, but unfortunately Zelensky's future is looking like General Custer.

That's a false dilemma.