New York - City of Losers
 

Not much really more needs to be said.

Mets
Jets
Knicks
Rangers
Giants

ALL SUCK


Yankees
Islanders

Decent, but no where near championship levels.


Chump teams Chump fans! LOVING IT!!!!

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Yeah, well, it uh......takes one to know one.

ya...and..."your mother!"

I don't know about all that, but as an Astros fan it was nice seeing Cole (former Astro) get lit up.

Cole hasn't been nearly as good as he was in Houston since he left. Makes you wonder what was different....

He was quite good I thought in 2020 and his metrics were only down slightly from the Houston years. This year, definitely a notch down though he was still one of the few best pitchers in the league if a little inconsistent.

Edgy

Cole is a fantastic pitcher, but obviously the sticky stuff helped him...and every other power pitcher on the planet, who relied on late movement along with some semblance of control.

On the Yankees, I think it also hurt Aroldis quite a bit, when they started to clamp down on the syrup.

Bang the trashcan......slowly.

The Brooklyn Antivaxers are the current favorite to win the NBA title this year, even with one of their stars set to play in a part time role.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...ames-practices

I'm going to say it because it hasn't been said, but the Giants, Jets and Islanders don't play in New York City.

....but you would claim them if they won a championship. C'mon man:D

Meg Boyd...."Is Washington winning dear ? "

Joe Boyd....."No. Those Damn Yankees"

Sorry, I forgot about Brooklyn (basketball is the one sport I do not watch), thought the Nets were in New Jersey until someone replied in the thread but I'm sure they are like every other New York team, spend spend spend......LOSE.

I actually watched the end of the Jets game last Sunday.

I even rooted for them at the end.

They are like that worst kid on the team who hasn't has a hit all season, then finally gets one, and the team erupts.

That's what NY has been reduced too.

LOVE

IT

Beats me.

https://c.shld.net/rpx/i/s/pi/mp/619...4&op_sharpen=1

LOL, a trash can made him go from 602 Ks and a 2.69 ERA his 2 years with the Astros, to 337 Ks and a 3.04 ERA his 2 years with the Yankees. Who knew?

This might come off slightly biased at a Yankees fan but the fact that the Yankees are considered abject failures, because they don't win the World Series year in and year out is kind of ridiculous. Haven't had a losing season since the early 90's, have won 5 World Series trophies in the past 30 years. I have been able to see more than my fair share of Yankees success. While I wish this year turned out differently, and while I definitely have many gripes with how money is being allocated, and our current manager I can hardly complain about the results in my short lifetime.

I've been to many ballparks, I do not think our fans are remotely close to the worst in the sport. Philadelphia, and Sox fans can be brutal, but so can every fan base. Yes we have our obnoxious "27 Rings" group, but not everyone is like that and gross generalizations about the fan base aren't exactly accurate.

Cole has been a great pitcher for us. His metrics both this year and last year prove that. He's been battling a hamstring injury for the greater portion of the past month. These are not excuses, he didn't show up to an important game, and that's why we paid him the big bucks. But if I'm going to harass our best starter over the past two seasons for a couple of bad performances, than I'd just be ignorant. Good thing he will have the opportunity to prove himself next year. I did not think this team was healthy nor constructed in the right manner to win a World Series. I am hardly surprised by the results.

I cannot speak for the other teams. I have little interest outside of Baseball and Soccer though I suppose I support the New York Jets as well, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to tell you what exactly is wrong with them.

With THAT payroll year after year to win 1 WS in the last 20 years is pretty pathetic.

The Florida Marlins won their second World Series in 2003, with a payroll of just $48.8 million, the Yankees payroll in 2003..........$152.7 million.

A NY fan in denial, big surprise.

Money does not buy you Championships. It helps a team get to the playoffs, but then it's a combination of a bit of talent, a bit of luck and a bit of timing. Denial would imply that I haven't accepted the Yankees not winning, and that's clearly not the case, they are not the Franchise they once were. I'm very grateful of all the success I've seen my team have in my lifetime, it's more than many get to see. If this is the end of the line for the Yankees winning then so be it, I am okay with that. The Sox played some great ball last night, Eovaldi really stepped up, pitched a great game. I don't think they go all the way, but they have great chemistry, and clearly feed off of one another. Good veteran leadership in that lockeroom as well. Cora has done a great job with that team.

I hope you have a good night, and enjoy the rest of the playoffs.

The last 20 years, 4 (Baseball, Football, Hockey, Basketball) major sports titles by city:

Boston (4 teams) 12
LA (7 teams) 9
San Fran (2 teams) 6
Chicago (5 teams) 5
Pittsburgh (3 teams) 5
San Antonio (1 team) 4
Miami (3 teams) 4
Tampa Bay (3 teams) 4
New York (8 teams) 3
Detroit (4 teams) 3
St Louis (4 teams) 3

and to expand, NY sends out 8 teams each year. 8 x 20 (years) = 160 (3 Titles) = pathetic

THUS NY IS THE CITY OF LOSERS! This is not a discussion, it's a fact.

I feel like your missing a bigger city of losers.
Minneapolis (3 teams) 0 championships. To make things worse if you include the hockey team in St Paul that would be 4 teams and no championships.

I guess if I was a Yankees fan I would be looking for excuses too but he wasn’t that good to begin with. BTW the trash cans benefit the hitters not the pitchers. Go Blue.


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Well the trash cans do benefit the hitters but also very much the pitchers. Houston hits a couple bombs early and Cole is pitching with a 4 or 5 run lead in say, the 4`th inning. Big difference in approach when a pitcher of Cole`s ability has a lead to work with. Just my 2 cents. Go Sox !!

Isn't that how cheating is supposed to work? Who cheats to get worse? I'm talking about the sticky stuff. I didn't bring up the trash can.

Someone else brought up the trash can.

I can honestly say that I've never heard allegations of Cole using the sticky stuff, but I admit that I don't follow baseball like I used to. If he's been rumored to have used it, I'll take your word for it.

Yah and you guys do have George Floyd Square. That's got to be quite the draw to athletes.

But no Minnie not even close to Loserville NY and it's surrounding areas.

To have 8 teams, THAT amount of money. etc., and continuously suck year after year is just embarrassing.

And their loud mouth fans.....just karma baby!

1st or 2nd in the Cy this year..so...I guess he's still kinda good....

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Just one example of the sticky stuff covereage re: Cole

https://www.si.com/mlb/yankees/news/...ff-speculation

Cole finished second in WAR among pitchers to Robbie Ray this year. Robbie Ray made 8 million dollars. Cole made 36 million dollars. It's not good enough to just be kinda good or even good. For 36 mil a year you need to be lights out. That is the expectation when you're being paid. If he didn't want that kind of microscope on him, he shouldn't have asked for 36 million a year. He couldn't get out of the third inning of a must win do or die game, he lost 2 out of his last 3 starts at the end of the season, and he gave up 7 home runs over his last 19 innings to end the year.

First Commandment of Elite Pitchers

NEVER SHAKE THE UMPIRE'S HAND

Only if you're a righty. A lefty could get away with it.

I considered that stipulation, but thought it unneeded as someone like yourself would point it out.

Would a high five with your glove on satisfy your literal analysis as long as one didn’t use his gloved hand?

And I know you are going to say that Jim Abbott couldn’t comply.

If I am guilty of starting a wildfire, I plead no intent.

Harsh. Find any pitcher in history who hasn't had a bad stretch even at an important time. The man will finish first or second in Cy Young voting. That's pretty damn good.

When pitchers can no longer pitch 162 innings a year, rendering seasonal stats less conclusive, maybe they should just do away with the single Cy Young Award and vote for a litter of Baby Cys instead in each league.

You could then award a career Cy to any pitcher with seven babies.

Good is winning important games. One of the games Cole lost against Toronto could have meant the Yankees playing at home. And it is not harsh to expect your 36 million dollar pitcher to show up when it matters.

It's not realistic. Even the best pitchers lose and don't pitch well in big games sometimes. It's the nature of baseball.

I'm not talking about one game and it seemed realistic when Pettitte, el Duque and Tanaka were typically able to live up to it.

It would be interesting to see stats on this. For example, stats sometimes don't verify people's perception about certain players being clutch hitters. In any case yeah for Yankees fans it would have been nice if Cole had pitched better in certain games, and I get the frustration. As a Sox fan I am glad he didn't but I still think he's a great pitcher.

Andy Pettite was pretty awful in Game 6 of the 2001 Series and the supernaturally consistent Mariano Rivera laid an egg in Game 7.

So long as five fingers are raised in some form, I think the spirit of the rule is met, whether or not the five fingers are obscured by a glove.

If innings pitched continue their precipitous decline, before long outfielders will be making more throws each game than pitchers. I propose we retroactively award a Baby Cy to outfielder Gus Zernial, who had six home runs in three games commemorated on his 1952 Topps card (he hit a seventh the following day), and also to pitcher Larry Jansen, who is shown on his card holding up seven fingers--one for each of his children.

In the 2004 ALCS as well. Just goes to show that even the great ones stumble sometimes.

I'm not talking about one game. I'm talking about the guy losing 2 out of 3 starts to end the year, one of which the Yankees were counting on him to win, and then losing again in the Wild Card game and giving up 7 home runs over his last 19 innings.

As a die hard Packer fan, I am more than willing to admit that Rodgers laid an egg (or maybe a dozen) in the Saints game.

Objective interpretations by Yankee fans can be harder to find, but not always.
The championship and salary data presented in this thread seems to cast a dim light on the truth of their feeling of entitlement to all the never ending championships that money can buy.

That's why in baseball my teams are the Rays and the Brewers. They don't feel entitled to any championships, but when the small market teams win, I jump for joy. BTW I rooted for the Cardinals last night even though I should be a Dodger homie.

2021 MLB payrolls
 

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/

and just hilarious NY's team are #2 & #3, and sitting home watching the playoffs. Well at least you have the Giants & Jets to look forward to now that baseball is over.

Jets and Giants tied for worst-record in NFL since 2017


https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/jets...nfl-since-2017

and the K-nicks
 

Over the last 20 seasons (including this one), the New York Knicks have an abysmal .402 winning percentage. That, of course, ranks dead last in the NBA.

2019 article:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-2-decade-mess


like I said in the first post, chump teams, chump fans.

New York - The City that never sweeps - in more then one way!

and their hockey teams since 2000
 

16th & 24th....not that impressive

A combined 40 seasons

0 Titles

https://champsorchumps.us/records/mo...ins-since-2000

I was front and center as Mike Milbury and Charles Wang hobbled the Isles. I took Brooklyn off and am now headed to Belmont. I'm not sure the Isles were even in the NHL during that time you mentioned.

It should be noted, the Isles are Long Island's team.

Ya got one NY fan in another thread thinking this round of the MLB playoffs is 7 games, and you got this NY fan not thinking the Islanders have been around for the last 20 years.

I love that the NY fans are proving my point.

Bad teams, bad fans.

You can't write this.

Can you show us on the doll where the bad city touched you?

https://i.imgflip.com/e94s3.jpg

I'm very confused by the spirit of the thread, it's as if you have some sort of personal vendetta against the entire city of New York, its people and it's sports fans. I can assure you that the overwhelming majority of us are honest, hardworking people that just want to see our teams do well. We also happen to live in NY, which along with LA are probably the most widely covered cities from a media standpoint, and I fully agree the terrible NY sports teams should not receive the amount of coverage they get, however Gross generalizations of the people that live here and the fanbases of our sports teams is pretty lousy.

I'm not telling you what to do with your time, but I come to this place for an escape from reality, not to read people hurling insults about the entirety of our teams fanbases or its people. I'll excuse myself from this thread after this post, but it's been weighing on me for a bit of time, and I wanted to get it out there.

well NY is good for something
 

...

Go get some fresh air.

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I just find it funny that people are upset at the Yankees "buying" championships, which is absurd once you start talking about the teams who won. The Core Four were entirely home grown players, and that doesn't include Bernie Williams, another home grown player, or bit players like Ramiro Mendoza, who were also home grown players.

So, what was bought when three of your best hitters were signed out of high school and your two best pitchers were signed as an international free agent and a 22nd round draft pick?

Even if you look at 2009, 5 out of the 9 starting players had only played in a Yankee uniform. In the rotation, 2 out of 5 starters were drafted by the Yankees and the bullpen was anchored by Mariano Rivera, Phil Hughes, David Robertson, and Phil Coke, all guys who had never worn another uniform.

I'm not really understanding what's to be admired about a team like the Rays either. How can you celebrate losing? Or want to emulate a team who lost enough to finally be good? How is that a recipe anyone would want to follow? You think there are teams out there considering being terrible for 20 years on purpose to finally be good and still not win a World Series?

And if the Rays could spend money they would. They aren't being noble, they literally can't afford any body.

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Hard to believe a billionaire owner can't afford something. Whether or not they care about the team is different from being able to afford one. If you have a team at all, you can afford to make it good if you wanted to.

DOn't fed the troll, I get it, but if wasn't for the priceless 3 hours 40 times a year with my dad for those 20 years, I would say that paying costumers were the bad fans. Those that stayed home did not waste their money on a team where ownership showed very little interest in improving the on ice product. I went. I am happy about the time with dad. Watching Mariusz Czerkawski? Not so much...

And if that same stretch happened in May it would be no big deal.

It only seems worse because by October there isn't enough time left to make up for an earlier bad stretch.

Yep. All wins and losses count the same, just like all runs and runs surrendered in a game count the same, but some don't seem persuaded by that.

How can you be when you watch someone lose the last game there is to play? I don't see how theory or conceptual ideals play into losing the game you needed to win.

Obviously. You play the entire season to win in October, so if you don't win in October, what does it matter? I really don't see how anyone in the world would take solace in something like Gerrit Cole having a great May and then throwing 2 innings in a do or die game.

Add in a long stretch of what were really good decisions on who to sign, who to trade and when etc.
Whoever was doing their player selection back then did an amazing job.

And that's from a Red Sox fan who was a bit jealous his favorite team couldn't get that right most of the time.

Good Lord,

If the Yankees and the Dodgers did not perennially have the two highest team salaries, perhaps I would think twice about claiming that they buy championships. (I also like to see the big spenders lose, I'm not a Laker fan either)

As far as the Rays are concerned, the first time they reached the big show (aka WS) I think their team salary was between 1/4 and 1/3 of the league's highest. Someone will provide the specifics if you doubt that. They also play in a tin foil dome with a slanted roof. Have you been there, I have. Winning a championship or even coming in second is much more of an accomplishment than going out and buying Stanton and Cole and then bitch about not winning a championship. Go Rays, and I would add the Brewers for many of the same reasons. There is a big difference between wanting to emulate a small market team and admiring them.

Another post suggested that we were dissing New York as a city. I would object to that assessment, because I'm sure there are several million New Yorkers who don't give a damn about sports, and more than a few are probably fine people, whether the Yankees win or lose.

You needed the first game just as much, as it turned out. You are IMO conflating drama and importance.

If you don't win in May you aren't competitive in October. Take one of his May wins, turn it into a loss, and the Yankees don't even make the wild card. This is the same argument we've had about all runs in a game being equal no matter which inning.

That's not how life is lived though. You don't care about yesterday when you need to win today. That's Monday morning talk.

There is no accomplishment if you don't win. Nobody in the world says at least we got to play. Also, your perception of salaries doesn't take into account what it costs to keep a player you drafted on your team. If that's what you mean by "buying" championships, I guess you live in a different world where money isn't as important to you. The Yankees pay their players. That's why so many of them retire as a Yankee. That is not what I assume most people mean when they say "buying" championships. I associated that with the mentality of never drafting well and relying on free agents, which isn't the Yankees MO at all.

Agree, would love to see the WHITE Sox, Ray or Brewers win it all. Much more respect for organizations that don't buy titles, or attempt to buy titles.

May I suggest the Baltimore Orioles.:eek::D

I'd like to see the Orioles be competitive again, but only after Peter Angelos sells the team. I have nothing against the Orioles, but can't stand Angelos.

Yah they didn't buy a championship in 2009, you're a funny guy.

http://www.espn.com/espn/wire/_/section/mlb/id/4054743

Again, I think you're making the mistake of assuming that if you pay your players to remain on your team, you've somehow "bought" a championship. I already went ahead and broke down the starting line up and pitching staff for you.

Can you break down their payroll and free agent acquisitions?

....and I love Bob Costas but for f--k sake learn how to pronounce the players names on games you broadcast.

It's not EL-LOY.....it's E-Loy!!!!!

Mark Teixeira, CC Sabathia and AJ Burnett were key parts of that team, and they were all signed as free agents the previous offseason in a massive spending binge. They took a team that had missed the playoffs the year before and won a World Series. Even in the 1990s/early 2000s teams, David Cone, Roger Clemens, Paul O'Neil and David Wells (just off the top of my head) came to New York either as free agents or in trades.

So what? The core of the team was built from within. Unless you're saying Mariano Rivera, Bernie Williams, Derek Jeter, Andy Pettitte, and Jorge Posada were inconsequential to their championships and it was just a total coincidence that when they emerged on the scene the Yankees won for the first time in almost 20 years. And that's not even taking into account heroes of the moment like Ramiro Mendoza or Shane Spencer, or Ricky Ledee and you're seriously discounting the Yankees ability to sign the right guy at the right time, which can't be reflected more clearly in guys like Mike Stanton and Jeff Nelson. You call that buying players but I don't think anyone could have possibly anticipated what you were getting when you got guys like Jeff Nelson, or Mike Stanton. Paul O'Neil was a one time All Star that they traded Roberto Kelly for. That's an intelligent trade and not "buying" a player.

So what?????

So your argument completely fell apart.

"massive spending binge"

Cmon Pac Man remove your New York arrogance and ignorance and admit it!

There's no shame in being wrong. Which you are.


https://www.espn.com/mlb/freeagents/...8/type/dollars

Fell apart how? Half the starting line up on that team had never put on another uniform, 2 out of 5 starting pitchers were drafted, and the entire bullpen was anchored by players who never pitched in another uniform at the time.

Find one person who talks about Yankee championships in terms of Mark Tex and AJ Burnett. You won’t find one because although they were on the team (like say a Jacoby Ellsbury) their tenure was not that of a savior.

Dude. What is your problem? I'm a Yankees fan, and I'm used to people being Yankees haters. But you don't have to apply your hatred to their fans. Do you really want to pick a fight with all the New York fans on this forum?