Hobby Myths!
 

There are surely many hobby myths.

Here are a few:

"i don't like the E91 sets because of the "generic" drawings."

Actually the E91A set reflects actual players, and the B and C sets simply use those images and change players names from the A set.

"Orange borders can be found only in Series 3 cards."

Actually Orange borders can be found in other series including Series 1 and 6.

Let's here some other myths!

Patrick

Harold Baines is in the Hall of Fame. Wait.....

T206 Wagners are super rare.

SGC is worth as much as PSA.

(Just poking the bear, I love SGC up to 10% of my collection).

T206 Wagner is his rarest tobacco card.

The 1952 Topps Mantle is his (ahem) ROOKIE CARD!!!!!!!

1939-47 Salutations Exhibits are separate from the 1947-66 Exhibits and were issued during those years.

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1948 HOF Exhibits were issued in 1948.

1948-52 Champions Exhibits and 1948-52 Football Exhibits were issued in those years.

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The 1933 Goudey is Ruth's rookie.

The TPGs are infallible, and when you see a grade on a flip you know it has to be the rock-solid truth.

In Canada, it's this:

O-Pee-Chee cards were cut with WIRES!

A couple of my recent favorites...

-Probstein shill bids their own auctions.

-PSA's grading standards haven't changed in recent years.

Hobby myths
 

Snowman- try this myth: PSA actually HAS standards that they honor:)

Trent King

52 Topps high numbers were dumped in the ocean 🤣

Is this not true??? Have I fallen for this the whole time? I thought they are still in the Atlantic.

To me that is one of the Greatest Ones of all time

I thought it was the Hudson river?

According to TPGs all W cards are hand cut (maybe minus w600).

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E282 Oh Boy Gum is an E card.

How about
 

"The last one sold for $XX - so that's the current market price!"

I agree. When someone quotes vcp I tell them to buy it there.
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Interesting
 

While I know there are a number of issues with single and low double digit pops that are significantly more rare than T206, I find it interesting that even a "mainstream" issue like the 1914 Cracker Jack is close!

T206 Wagner:
PSA examples = 36
SGC examples = 14

1914 Cracker Jack Wagner
PSA examples = 45
SGC examples = 38

GM left the hobby.

"L@@K" and "Read Below" actually make people do those things instead of immediately abandon the auction.

That the 1948 Leaf set was issued in 1948.

That it's still a hobby and not a business.

That there is a baseball produced prior to 1995 that is not signed by Bob Feller or Buck O’Neil

Someone cracking and resubmitting a graded card doesn't affect the population report.

I've seen some say versions of this: That players' card prices are proportional to the skill of the player, so if the numbers say player A (maybe Henry Aaron) was as good or better than player B (Mantle?), then if his cards aren't the same price, they are "undervalued."

1.) It's possible to buy cards that you want when you want to and keep a healthy marriage.



2.) Kevin Maas is the next big star.



3.) Players' Autographs - even purchased in-person, are worth just as much if NOBODY can read the name.
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Thousands of new collectors who instantly spend five and six figures on cards have just entered the hobby during COVID.

Anyone remember Brien Taylor, the next Yankees superstar?

The existence of Lester Bell in the Goudey R309-2 set.

That's interesting, I thought they were just torn apart.

Chicks really dig T206 collectors.

That big name Hall of Famers are the most aesthetically pleasing cards in each set.

Brian

The first card of a player, designated his Rookie Card, should be worth more than all others.

N28, picturing Clarkson with Boston, a deal made in April of 1888, remains frequently listed as an 1887 set. Tons of dates on old sets are complete fiction.

Johannes Peter Wagner
Occasionally referred to as "Hans"

Somehow, people call him HO-niss

His T206 card, according to myth, was pulled from production because he balked at the idea of his image being used to sell tobacco.

287. Slyopic (also Glaucomedy)
The utilization of ‘at signs’ to imitate eyes and form the word “L@@K” in an auction title.

Having a card listed at a ridiculously exorbitant, usurious eBay price and thinking that offering a 5% OFF 'discount' (yes, that's air quotes) to watchers will lead to a sale.

It is interesting. One of the all-time greats & even today, people don't know how to pronounce his name.

The dog ate my baseball cards!
And I would add Cal Ripkin, as well as Feller and O'Neil, to the happy signers club.

If you see a Cal Ripkin autographed baseball, it is a forgery!

I'm only gonna buy these cards in the upcoming auction and then I am done for the year buying cards. No really I am........

It's definitely possible. My wife couldn't care less which cards I buy or how much I spend on them. She'll even sign for the deliveries and puts them in the safe for me. I left a 33 Goudey Babe Ruth on the counter the other day. She picked it up and said, "this one looks old. Is he good?" :eek:

I'm not sure if you are joking or not, but I would take the over on there being at least 20,000 new collectors who joined the hobby over the past 2 years who have spend at least five figures on cards. And it wouldn't shock me at all if the true number was much higher. Unless you're talking specifically about pre-war collectors only, then the numbers would be a lot lower obviously. But there are a ton of new collectors on the modern side. Hell, I'd wager good money that there are at least 1,000 new collectors who have spent 5 figures on cards since the pandemic who aren't even old enough to drive a car yet.

That is truth...not a myth.

That value and rarity go hand in hand.

- That autographed vintage cards are authentic if/when slabbed by PSA

I fixed the thread title for you...

Hobby Myths Complaints!

Based on Some Ebay Sellers

An Authentic Reproduction is Authentic

It is a myth that what you paid for a card determines what your sale price is.

I don't know if it's a myth or just requires a lot of patience, but it is funny how it only seems to cut one way. I don't see a lot of people selling their Cy Young cards for what they paid in the mid-70s....

What someone paid for a card is not relevant to the price their asking now.


It's comical to me when a seller says something like this, I'm into this for this I need to get that. Is it true? Is it not true? Trying a guilt trip ? That story is not relevant in a business decision.

It cuts both ways depending on your grasp of reality as the seller. If something falls out of favor you will have to accept less for it.

There is a psychological thing about not wanting to take a loss when you move on from a card. Selling bigger cards in my collection is almost like a mini divorce. I recently sold a '52 Topps Mays and there was a time I would never have considered parting with it, but I began to feel like the card was not as good as the grade it had been given and once I decided to sell it I ended up taking less than maybe I could have, in addition to missing the peak back in Feb/March, but I still did well on the card. Anyway, much like real divorce you can have various regrets but hopefully you're for the most part glad to move on, even if it ends up costing a shitload of dough, as my first and hopefully last real divorce did. If the '52 Topps Mays starts appreciating again I will probably have my regrets. It's only natural.

Ironically, back in the Junk Wax era, I bought a '52 Bowman Mays which ended up having a wrinkle that I didn't see and I ended up selling it and taking a loss and it precipitated my departure from the hobby at the time (as was the fact that I was 18 and in college and outgrew it as it turns out temporarily). Losing $ is tough to take for most folks but they should probably keep that issue to themselves when trying to sell a card. It's not the buyer's problem.

Myth: 1936 Diamond Star cards with blue ink are rarer than the green ink cards, and so if you find one in good condition it is therefore worth more than its green-backed counterpart from 1934. Price guides will confirm this.

NO. The rarest diamond star cards in good condition are the 1934 cards with green backs (1-23). It is nearly impossible to find a true 1934 Diamond Star card in excellent condition or better. If you have a psa 5 or better from 1934, I’ll buy it. Blue-backed 1936 DS in excellent condition are plentiful, and should be cheaper than the ’34 versions, but they're not.

New INVESTORS and FLIPPERS... yes, actual "collectors", no, I don't believe it for a second.

I have one more.

1967 Topps high numbers are really difficult.

PSA is the best TPG'er.

It would have to fall WAY out of favor to drop to mid 70's prices...

They ARE collectors...

What are you saying? :eek:

You can probably substitute PSA with a well known sports signature authenticator whose initials include an S and a J, as well as a few other TPGs and so-called autograph experts.

"Set break" actually means what the name implies.

When used in a sales listing, the term 'complete set' means that the set is actually complete.

100% truth! waaaay back in the 1980's when I was simply an a**hole teen (fast forward to NOW - I'm no longer a teen but still have a**hole tendencies), my personal retort to a potential seller who said..."but it books for..." my answer was always "...then just sell it to the f***ing book!..."

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The ink in 1933 Goudeys "Bleeds Through" the card.

Set Breakers on ebay
Are they or are they not?

lol

As a quick shorthand I like 7 year peak WAR as a comparative tool because it discounts the cumulation effects of a long career and also removes the penalty for a player who probably stayed around a few years past his expiration date.

Babe Ruth: 85.3 7yr-peak WAR

Barry Bonds: 72.7 7yr-peak WAR

Mike Trout: 65.1 7yr-peak WAR

Mickey Mantle: 64.7 7yr-peak WAR

Don Mattingly: 35.7 7yr-peak WAR

Rusty Staub: 33.3 7yr-peak WAR

Rabbit Maranville : 30.5 7yr-peak WAR

Harold Baines: 21.7 7yr-peak WAR


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PSA’s motto: “Never get cheated”

Of course, unless, you are duped into buying PSA authenticated HOF reprints of 1914 cracker Jacks and/or t206s

I guess you could sum up the myth as:
"Buying a graded card insures the card is authentic"

When I first saw the news that him and Lee Smith had been voted in, I had to double check the website URL to make sure I wasn’t on The Onion.

Prices are softening seems to be a myth.

You are less likely to buy an altered card if it is graded by PSA instead of raw.

It's a limited edition so it must be valuable.

No major card company would ever release an error card on purpose in order to drum up interest in their set.

One of Billy Ripken's teammates wrote on his bat knob.

TRIGGERED!!!!! I need a cigarette!

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There are obvious forgeries in TPG holders. People need to look at the card not just the holder.

The 1952 Topps Mantle is a "grail" card, not just a normal double print that you can buy in almost any auction