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Goodbye Double Digit Winning Pitchers - A contest with a prize
Double Digit Winners are a dying breed. To qualify for a win starters must pitch 5 innings. The average start has been steadily decreasing in recent years as the number of arms in the pen have been increasing. The Brewers 10 game winner this year, Suter, comes out of the pen.
The number of ten game winners in baseball in random years are as follows: 1919...............................52............. .......over 3/team in 154 games 1956...............................48............. ........3 / team 1965...............................65............. ........3.25 / team in 162 games 1974...............................78 1983...............................85 1992...............................74 2001...............................80 2010...............................93 2015...............................70 2018...............................59............. ........less than 2 / team 2021 so far.......................54 ...................at season's end. 1.8 per team If everyone with 8 or more wins 2 games in September the final tally will be 68, but that ain't gonna happen. The first guess of the correct number of 10 or more game winners this year will win a real baseball card featuring a ten game winner. Deadline for entry is 9/12 at MN PT. |
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Good first guess
44 |
46. Thanks. Joe
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54
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39
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52
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I predict that within 30 years wins becomes a secondary stat- if it is even counted at all. Scoreboards and broadcasts will show apperences, innings and relative era. And before you call me crazy, how many of us over 40 thought we would go to a game and see OBS listed next to the players names on the Jumbotron.
Wins have never been a good stat. Even when pitchers went nine and pitched every day in the 1880’s it was a bad stat. How is giving up 15 runs and being on a team that scores 16 runs equal to pitching a shutout. When pitches went nine and pitched every four days it was a bad stat. In 1968 Luis Tiant went 21-9 with a 1.60 ERA. If you can lose 9 games and still have a season ERA of 1.60 then W/L doesn’t mean much. It’s an even worse stat today. Corbin Burnes is 8-4. He has a 2.5 ERA, a whip under 1, and basically went a month into the season before he walked anyone. He literally didn’t walk anyone for his first 55+ innings. In 2018 Burnes was worse in every stat except winning percentage when he went 7-0. Wins have and always will be meaningless and we need to except that and move on |
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48
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I can't drive 55.
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60
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50
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In honor of Pearl Harbor......'41
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51
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59, a repeat of 2018.
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50
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my guess
47...ish.
Cheers, Geno |
56
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Per my math I get 58.55, so I'll say 58 since someone else already took 59.
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45
Thanks Chad |
53
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57
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49
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I bid $1.00.
Oh, different game. Nevermind. :) |
61 seems like a good guess.:)
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52
I really want to win. So 52 it shall be.
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58
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There are some duplicate answers. Only the first one wins if correct.
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45
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only 2 more and OHTANI achieves immortality!!
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And hopefully he can stay healthy and have others like it |
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51.
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I'm a man. I'm going with 40.
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I’ll go 66
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Let’s make it an even…
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60 was taken so let’s go with 63 instead |
62
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I'm going to go with 34 for some strange reason.
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He is amazing this year (but as some one mentioned earlier can he do it again) and 22 steals on the season while hitting for power and pitching the way he is. Only thing currently keeping LA Angels in the news |
Sure is nice of Madden to cherry pick his starts.
Doesn't pitch him against the Yankees, but I'm sure he will against the suckjob Rangers. |
Not many numbers left so I’ll take 38
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36
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63
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I'll go against the grain with 71
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32 if no one has it already
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Peace and thanks Frank! Mike |
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Duplicate post
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I realize only a few reasonable slots are left, so an update is in order.
Going into today’s contests there are now 36 double digit winners. If you guessed 35, thanks for playing. |
72 for me please, thank you!
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69 if still untaken.. Thank you..
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When looking at Frank's stats showing the decline in starting innings pitched, I always think of Harvey Haddox of the Pirates who pitched 13 innings (I think) of scoreless no hit ball.....a perfect game to boot... and still lost the game. I hope there is some kind of * about that feat in the record books.
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Thanks John for remembering Haddix. This is the one I always remember. Notice both pitchers are ten game winners on July 2nd. The only problem after this game was treating the bedsores in the bullpen.;) On July 2, 1963 MIL N 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0 8 1 SF N 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 - 1 9 1 BATTING Milwaukee Braves AB R H RBI BB SO PO A Maye lf 6 0 0 0 1 0 3 0 Bolling 2b 7 0 2 0 0 0 3 4 H. Aaron rf 6 0 0 0 1 1 3 0 Mathews 3b 2 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 Menke 3b 5 0 2 0 0 1 1 1 Larker 1b 5 0 0 0 2 0 14 4 Jones cf 5 0 1 0 0 2 7 0 Dillard ph,cf 1 0 0 0 0 1 3 0 Crandall c 6 0 2 0 0 0 5 0 McMillan ss 6 0 0 0 0 0 4 7 Spahn p 6 0 1 0 0 3 3 4 Totals 55 0 8 0 4 10 46 20 FIELDING - E: Menke (12). BATTING - 2B: Spahn (3,off Marichal). Team LOB: 11. BASERUNNING - SB: Maye (5,2nd base off Marichal/Bailey); Menke (1,2nd base off Marichal/Bailey). CS: Crandall (1,2nd base by Marichal/Bailey). San Francisco Giants AB R H RBI BB SO PO A Kuenn 3b 7 0 1 0 0 0 5 2 Mays cf 6 1 1 1 1 1 3 1 McCovey lf 6 0 1 0 0 0 4 0 F. Alou rf 6 0 1 0 0 0 5 0 Cepeda 1b 6 0 2 0 0 0 15 1 Bailey c 6 0 1 0 0 0 12 1 Pagan ss 2 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 Davenport ph 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Bowman ss 3 0 2 0 0 0 0 2 Hiller 2b 6 0 0 0 0 0 2 2 Marichal p 6 0 0 0 0 1 1 3 Totals 55 1 9 1 1 2 48 13 FIELDING - E: Kuenn (5). BATTING - 2B: Kuenn (6,off Spahn). HR: Mays (15,16th inning off Spahn 0 on 1 out). IBB: Mays (2,by Spahn). Team LOB: 9. BASERUNNING - SB: Cepeda (2,2nd base off Spahn/Crandall). PITCHING Milwaukee Braves IP H R ER BB SO HR BFP Spahn L(11-4) 15.1 9 1 1 1 2 1 56 IBB: Spahn (2,Mays). San Francisco Giants IP H R ER BB SO HR BFP Marichal W(13-3) 16 8 0 0 4 10 0 59 Umpires: HP - Ken Burkhart, 1B - Chris Pelekoudas, 2B - Frank Walsh, 3B - Jocko Conlan Time of Game: 4:10 Attendance: 15921 Pitch Counts not available Spahn was 42 years old. |
Frank, quite a game. Did Marichal get the win?
I'll take 74. |
Mays' first HR in 1951 was off Spahn I think. If I recall, when asked about it (Mays absolutely crushed it), Spahn said, for the first 60 feet it was a great pitch.
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In the 1954 World Series, Game 1, the score was tied 2-2 entering the 8th. Maglie was tiring; he gave up a leadoff walk to Doby followed by an infield single to Rosen. Men on first and second, nobody out. Don Liddle replaced Maglie as Vic Wertz stepped into the box. Wertz crushed the ball 460 feet to centerfield, where Willie Mays made his spectacular running, over the shoulder catch. Majeski was then sent up as a pinch hitter for Philley, and Giants manager Leo Durocher strolled to the mound, motioning for Marv Grissom to join him and Liddle there. Liddle then handed Grissom the ball, saying, "I got my man...." |
The lyrics wouldn't work today, but it's a very catchy tune and captures what must have been the joy of seeing him as a youngster.
He runs the bases like a choo-choo train Swings around second like an aeroplane His cap flies off when he passes third And he heads home like an eagle bird. Say hey, say who? Say Willie Say hey, say who? Swinging at the plate Say hey, say who? Say Willie That Giants kid is great |
How is Willie's health these days?
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Last week of the season..... what's the official count of 10 game winners?
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I had said 39.
So I am way off. Shows my skills with analytical knowledge |
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We’ve gone from 38 to 49 in four weeks since the OP. Those who guessed in the low 50s should be biting their fingernails now as we approach the finish line. That leaves only toenails for the rest of you. |
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The contenders will be deleted from the top down with each 10 game winner this week. 54 carlsonjok 55 Bigdaddy 56 old judge 57 mckinney 58 Snowman |
Bumped for the exciting climax.:cool:
No postseason or extra wild card game wins will qualify. Sunday night the winner will be determined The current leader is inside the wrapper. He'll have to come out if he wants to win the prize. Update: Still at 52 with 2 days remaining. You’ll have to admit this is getting exciting. |
carlsonjok is now the leader with one game to go. See Post #70 for the other contenders. I can't wait.
None of today's starting pitchers have 9 wins. I'm not surprised. The prize, a formidable 10 game winner in NM or better condition, is ready to ship. |
With a correct answer of 54 carlsonjok is the winner. He was the fourth entry and the first to guess over fifty. His prize will be mailed today. Hopefully he will share an image with us when he gets his card. Thanks to all the participants, even those who were disqualified for not reading the rules.
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Thanks for the contest Frank. I would have guessed somewhere in the 50's, but since you indicated 68 was not going to happen, my hand was forced to guess 68.
In conclusion, Frank is to blame for me not winning his contest. Brian |
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Thanks, that was fun. I think all of us losers should have a manly, virtual, non fungible hug.
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So, my winnings from this contest arrived today. A very high grade 1956 Topps Herman Wehmeier card.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-w2SkSdHzc...0/IMG_5493.jpg If you will indulge me a bit, I'd like to relate a story about my experiences here. I stated accumulating '56 cards as soon as I got back into collecting in 2011. Just a few here and there because I liked the design. I was at a different place in my life back then and never envisioned seriously working on the set. The star cards just were way outside my budget. I was working on the mid to late 1970s sets that fit with my wallet. On a lark, I entered a group break here hosted by user autocentral. One entry for around $30. I ended winning a 1938 Goudey Jimmy Foxx. If 1956 was way outside my wallet, you can imagine what a pre-war Goudey looked like to me. But, I hit on a idea that I could maybe use Jimmie to help me on that 1956 set that seemed impossible. I ended up doing a trade with user VintageLoz that got me the 1956 Clemente and Jackie Robinson. As it seemed like I fell into building the set, I kept plugging away at it. As my life situation changed, I got within striking distance of finishing and finished in 2018 after getting the Mantle and the checklists at the 2018 National in Cleveland. Since my 1956 set was essentially started when I was a newbie collector and worked to completion over the span of 8 year, the conditions were all over the place. My star cards are generally VG to VGEX and the commons around VGEX to EX. But, there are plenty of cards well below that range. I've wanted to upgrade for a while, but I have had other priorities. Which brings us to today. After opening Frank's gift, I pulled out my 1956 binder and went to the right page. Wouldn't you know it, my version of the Wehmeier card was in Fair to Good condition. So, not only did I get to upgrade my set, but I was also reminded of the role members here have played in helping me really get serious about the set and realize I can put sets like this together. So, thanks all around. |
What a great story. The stats on the back of the card verify that Wehmeier was a 10 game winner in 1955.;):D
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Nice story, and great card.
But I knew this contest was all a ploy for Frank to show off his extensive Herm Wehmeier knowledge. Brian |
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