NSCC Update
 

Rick Giddings, who is on the dealer board posted this updated on his FB page.

I've edited down the post to hit the key points

Being a member of the National Sports Collectors Board of Directors I have been asked many questions because of the Corona Virus Epidemic. No decision has been made yet about if the “Show will go on or not?” In talking to our President Mrs Etta Hersh, I was informed no decision will be made till the end of May.

Many of you have asked the options if you don't want to set up because se you feel July 29th is too close. If you decide not to set up and the show does go on. You can take a skip year, get a full refund or apply it to next year's show in Chicago.

Talking to Etta she was very understanding. Currently the Convention Center is being used like a hospital for the infected, but we will know more at the end of May!

Note: If you have any questions and are a dealer contact Rick or Etta or Megan. I just thought this was worthy of posting.

Rich

I was not planning on going but I can tell you if I was I would certainly have to think long and hard about it. From the fact the convention center is being used for a hospital currently to the fact that most sporting events and other large gatherings are being cancelled almost on a daily basis, cards just don't mean that much to me if I have a high potentially to get sick from going. I just think attendance by both dealers and collectors will be way down if the National is allowed to happen. It just makes me think the next years show in Chicago has the opportunity to be one that is huge!!

DICK GIDDINGS? No thank you.

I would be interested to know if they plan on yanking the tables from outed scammers/trimmers/alterers and their enablers: PWCC, PSA, SGC, BGS. But then, that's probably not worth asking...

Ain’t happening. NJ is a complete shitshow.

Look on the bright-side: the PSA line-up might at least be manageable.

I understand the aggravations with Mr. Giddings but the point was, to disseminate information NOT TO get into personal issues. Please take this as information pertaining to a NSCC update and NOTHING MORE.

Thanks!
Rich

Huge news out of Gilead Sciences after the market close on their drug remdesivir. Stock futures taking it very seriously.

A glimmer of hope for the world.

Tremendous results treating severe cases of Covid 19.

Keep your fingers crossed!!

David:

I sure hope so.

Rich

Gilead is trading up 15% right now. Their market cap coming into today was 96 billion. For a stock to move this much it is a big deal.

You can't sustain a move like this on monster volume if there isn't really good news here.

As I said the world needs this. A real glimmer of hope.

Lemme see, spending a week in a former COVID ward in a hard-hit state...nope.

Seriously? Stocks have been moving in huge swings...daily...for over a month now. It doesn't take much "news" for people to "react" these days.

I hope this will work out...but a 15% move in stock price the day the "news" breaks...means nothing.

With all due respect. I am stunned you are questioning my comment.

Stock futures are soaring and a stock with a market cap like this doesn't move 15 billion on a joke.

I guess with this board I shouldn't be surprised.

David
 

David, what does your comment have to do with the NSCC? Take your BS somewhere else.

F you.

We have a shot at a treatment. My BS. I don't own this stock. I just want life to return to normal.

There are so many of you miserable people here.

You want sports to return. You want card shows to return. You need news like this.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/stock...221218382.html

Mmm
 

I am a happy person and I have a great life.

Rich made a post about the NSCC, which was interesting and timely. Why are you talking about stocks? Start a new thread in the Watercooler thread. In case you forgot, this is a vintage card forum.

There won't be any card shows without a treatment. It is very relevant. Not sure how you don't get this.

David, what you posted seems like good news indeed, and everyone wants to go back to normal (I am soooo over this and would give anything to have it end). But this is a baseball card forum, and as such, serves as a small escape from the craziness of the day. To that end, perhaps non-direct/off topic statements (especially regarding coronavirus) should be reserved for the water cooler section. Just a friendly suggestion, not intended to be a shot or inflammatory.

Ryan

I thought you guys would find it encouraging that some news came out that increases our chances of getting back to normal and going to a card show.

I would like to go to the National and I hope it takes place and unless we get some good news like this there is no shot it will.

For anyone who is hoping to go this is a glimmer of hope and more importantly a glimmer of hope for the well being of the world.

I dig and the info is good, but this thread/section just is not the place.

Meanwhile, I hope the National is still on; I would go (if my wife let me). But, I will bet dollars to dimes that there is no National this year. :mad:

You guys are a special bunch.

The idea that posting news that increases the chances it might take place is bad is beyond me.

Whatever.

Ya know David, it's no use commenting because everything turns political, radical, jerk offs jumping on the "other" side Etc.

The is the dumbest sh++ I have ever read on a message board.

Great news for all of us in real life and maybe live sports happen sooner rather than later and the card show in question might be able to move forward and it is bad.

I am just glad I don't take the sanctity of a message board this seriously. Unreal.

The board is literally refuting science now!


Hey guess what, that hospital ship and the javits center LARGELY EMPTY here in NY. No COVID ward. I can't speak for Atlantic city.
Lets just give up life as we know it since there could be a 2nd wave maybe then this years "flu" can catch last year's 80k deaths, CV only 35k now and is plateauing.


Wtf national is in 3 months.

You all sit inside until that 2nd wave passes

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Thankfully we have already seen the peak and cases are tapering off. This drug by GILD has had incredible results and patients that were in horrible condition are improving in days and returning to their normal lives. We need stories like this to enable the economy and life to return. It isn't rocket science.

There won't be conventions if there aren't treatments that work and the sooner the medical community can produce results the sooner we all can enjoy life again outside of our homes.

show
 

This is starting to go off the rails.....

So the National seems doubtful this year.... so thats it

I have a house in long beach island ,,,30 min away ,,not going sorry

Not to double-hijack this thread, but LBI is my favorite summer spot and am looking forward to the summer and Flamingo Golf, LexMex and old Barney.

And I think that I'd wait for Philly in September to start show-going again

Not likely to happen. Reasons include:

- NJ will still be viewed as a potential hot spot for the virus come late May or early June
- governor will likely keep restrictions in place for group events
- autographs will be diminished since athletes are going to be reluctant to attend
- attendance will be projected to be much lower since folks will be reluctant to attend
- therefore, dealers will also be reluctant to keep their commitment given the lower attendance that will be forecast
- overall chances of a good national (even if held) are low which reduces the prestige and goodwill of the national as a yearly event

As I understand it, this is a potential TREATMENT for sick people. If they are very sick in the hospital. Correct me if I’m wrong. Are you going to go to the National because someone says to you “hey, if you do get really sick and have to be hospitalized for a few weeks, there is now a good drug to treat you”. Uh, not me. I’ll avoid getting it altogether. Thanks. AIDS and Ebola have great treatment drugs. I don’t want them either.

The only way to get back to normalcy is a treatment.

This drug is curing people who are in really bad shape. Not the minor cases.

No one wants to get this thing but the only way the economy recovers is if there is a way to not lose lives due to this outbreak and this gives people confidence to go out in public.

There are countless pharmaceutical companies working day and night trying to get us to the other side of this issue.

Plenty of people on this board make their living from trading cards and they need public interaction to return and disposable income to exist to maximize their business opportunity. There is a reason the stock market is cheering and the futures are exploding higher.

Here don't believe me.

One of the top market analysts for years.

“An effective treatment is a huge deal and would create a path to open the economy and resume normal ‘social activities’ way sooner than a vaccine,” said Tom Lee, head of research at Fundstrat Global Advisors. “A treatment is safer and more scalable because it is only given to people who need to be treated.”

Thanks for the update and stock tip.

Will not speak for others but I live this threat every day. I am very motivated to stay up to date. I do not need some jerkoff telling me directly or indirectly how to respond to an off topic response, especially a hostile one, that is taking away from a hobby and diversion I truly need to stay sane.

Go away.

Haha

You guys are something else.

I will sleep better tonight knowing the medical world is hard at work at trying to keep me safe and make it possible for me to get back to a normal life.

I honestly can't stop laughing at these responses. Your sacred board. LOL

Relaxing the restrictions early is a bad idea.

https://marginalrevolution.com/margi...1918-1919.html

Maybe this whole thread should self-quarantine. ;)

Thank you for the update.:)

Suck it up
 

You made your point - others made theirs. Move on.

I see that my "ignore list" needs to grow by one.

What are the side effects? Is it really curing people or are they recovering on their own? Does it cause more good or harm in the long run? We have science and doctors that will determine if this is really the one or if it is something else being developed by someone else. It also isn't something that we will know in a few weeks or even months. I have cancelled plans to go to AC even if the show is a go. I will let science tell me when I can return to normal not any posts on a message board. Until then I will follow the CDC guidelines.

The way to get back to normalcy is to eliminate the possibility of a continuing or recurring pandemic. A treatment for people already gravely ill doesn't achieve that because it does nothing to lessen the number of cases. The only thing that achieves that end is to build herd immunity and the only ways to do that is either vaccinations or everyone getting the disease and not dying from it.

Well, if I want to understand matters of disease and public health, the first person I would talk to is a guy who wants to sell me stock in the pharmaceutical company.

In all seriousness, one of my virologist friends does think that remdesivir does show good potential, but is cautious in pumping it up as some miracle cure until the results from a number of clinical trials is available. And the Gilead results are very preliminary. I found a good article about the trial results that seems to take on the proper tone. Hopeful, but clear in that there is still a long way to go. And, for anyone familiar with the design of experiments, there is some language in there that will temper your enthusiasm. For example:

Mullane, while encouraged by the University of Chicago data, made clear her own hesitancy about drawing too many conclusions.

“It’s always hard,” she said, because the severe trial doesn’t include a placebo group for comparison.

San Diego Comic-Con Cancelled for First Time in 50-Year History

I think most people will not listen to what these show promoters are saying. They are not going to attend any shows this year, period! When thousands of people around you are getting sick and dying, are you seriously going to take that risk - over sports cards?

This year is EFFED! See you all in 2021!

This is from the Politico Newsletter this morning. Politico is reasonably well centered in how they report about Washington (they try to keep down the middle as much as possible)

- STAT: "Early peek at data on Gilead coronavirus drug suggests patients are responding to treatment," by Adam Feurstein and Matthew Herper: "A Chicago hospital treating severe Covid-19 patients with Gilead Sciences' antiviral medicine remdesivir in a closely watched clinical trial is seeing rapid recoveries in fever and respiratory symptoms, with nearly all patients discharged in less than a week, STAT has learned.

"Remdesivir was one of the first medicines identified as having the potential to impact SARS-CoV-2, the novel coronavirus that causes Covid-19, in lab tests. The entire world has been waiting for results from Gilead's clinical trials, and positive results would likely lead to fast approvals by the Food and Drug Administration and other regulatory agencies. If safe and effective, it could become the first approved treatment against the disease.

"The University of Chicago Medicine recruited 125 people with Covid-19 into Gilead's two Phase 3 clinical trials. Of those people, 113 had severe disease. All the patients have been treated with daily infusions of remdesivir

That's why David was talking about stuff moving overnight. I have no dog in this fight but he follows the market a lot closer than I do and this could be an important development.

Rich

Rich, the STAT article is the same one I linked to, and quoted above. The details buried well down in the article aren't nearly as sexy as the lede would suggest. I am generally a live and let live kinda guy. So, I am not going to tell anyone what to do. But, given that we are dealing with a health issue, I am going to put more weight on the opinion of my doctor than that of my stockbroker.

The stock broker isn’t telling anyone what to do. The stock broker was highlighting potentially very positive news for all of us.

I am very hopeful as a human they have success with these trials. Everyone should be.

The NSCC board is consulting with top experts on the issue:

https://media1.tenor.com/images/cfef...itemid=8153406

Don’t really have a dog in this message board fight but diseases like this bring what’s important to the front. I’m deemed essential and I go home everyday praying I didn’t get it and that I don’t spread it to my family. Many topics end up on this page that honestly probably don’t fit the criteria for being here. Does it really need to escalate to the point of name calling and expletives? Dpeck, have no issue with what you did and I for one enjoy your posts.

Everyone please stay safe and healthy!

From my understanding, dealers are permitted to cancel and will receive a full refund. If I’m a dealer, this is a no brainer. Why would I incur all the expenses (travel, hotel, food, dealer fees) to set up at a significantly less populated national and risk obtaining the virus (through travel or at the convention)? The economic repercussions are only in the first inning. I don’t see the volume at the national this year. The lower volume does not justify the dealer fees which are based on an anticipated high volume. I predict a lot of dealers will cancel. I suspect a lot of expected attendees have already canceled. Not happening this year.

Comic-Con was cancelled. It has been going on for 50 years. It is usually at the end of July in San Diego.

Thank you.

I have posted plenty of comments over the years where I expected heat and got it because I think for myself and post what I believe and don't follow the heard.

Under no circumstances in my wildest dreams did I think my comment would be viewed as out of line or controversial hence the response.

I canceled my hotel reservation for the National today. I also canceled my hotel reservation for the Brimfield May show week.

Jeff

LOL is that a NSCC board member or their expert?

Brimfield was cancelled 2 weeks ago

Hotel I tried yesterday isnt taking any reservations yet.


Still 3 months away

I hadn't heard that...thanks Brock.


Jeff

Sometimes this can happen on the forum:

https://media.giphy.com/media/xTiTnL...fSIo/giphy.gif

Is there a difference???

Not in my eyes. Idiocy at it's best. We didn't know how good it was until Mike B was gone. It's too bad. He always did such a great job and now it's a total cluster, imo, and many others opinions too.

I will still go to most of them if they aren't in AC because they are still the best and biggest show out there. I sure wish there was a different National where we could just blow them off.

When you can't even get them to return multiple attempts at contacting them to get on their dealer waiting list you know they need some kind of competition. They act like they're the only game in town, because at that level, they are. I'd love to see one of the big promoters go head to head with them.

The part in bold would be a dream come true.

Somebody else please enter the fray for 2021... plenty of time to plan, prepare and publicize!

And the fact is, there is room in the market for another big time show.


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Seriously, let's get back on topic -- which is on the NSCC.

What kind of "National" could be held in July? Could it be postponed until later in the year rather than cancelled entirely?

How many of the exhibitors will attend or will they take their "one in five" opt out for this year?

How many of the corporate sponsors will set up?

How many of the collectors will show up?

It's really not a win-win situation for the NSCC or the exhibitors especially in the Atlantic City Convention Center.

I would hope that the NSCC Committee makes the right decision based on the input they get from local and national officials and the convention center itself.

Steve

No way it’s happening. Zilch. As of yesterday the convention center is a hospital.

I guess the organizers are hoping for some miracle that won’t happen. Even if the AC people somehow give the ok, dealers and potential visitors will take a pass in huge numbers.

Must be in anticipation of that second wave. The convention center is being used to treat non-covid patients


Central park field hospital with 70 staff treated only 140 patients

Javits center in NY largely empty 2500 beds


Us Navy Hospital ship 1000 beds, had 3 patients, no longer needed.


Its over 3 months away, try to look on the bright side.

I didn't see a lot of off topic. Almost all about the NSCC.

National
 

Steve, some folks are still holding out hope that the show does occur this summer. If not this summer, perhaps in the fall. I think everyone is looking forward to doing things they enjoy in life. Being optimistic is a good thing.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TfE93xON8jk

Fantastic skit, Toby - anyone needing a few minutes of laughter during this crappy stretch should definitely watch this Debbie Downer SNL skit!

The National
 

Well said Toby! The last thing we need in this environment is continuous negativity. Whatever happens will happen, but let’s try and retain some optimism here.

Being optimistic is a good thing. Being realistic is a better thing.

Take a look at what has happened with other countries that had this before us and then relaxed their quarantines. Not particularly promising.

A fall show would be great!


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Count me among the pessimists I guess. Originally we moved our live auctions to online and cancelled May altogether. We don't do live auctions over the summer and we were hoping to put together an amazing "welcome back" auction for September. Now I am starting to make plans for not being able to do live auctions this fall. I do miss live bid-calling :(

Decision will be made on 5/30.


https://sportscollectorsdigest.com/c...p-319975679853

In case anyone is interested the Gilead drug was shown to have inconclusive results in first trial. I live here in NJ and there were 74 new cases in my town today with over a Thousand so far. I keep paraying for a vaccine so that I can get back to enjoying Family and Friends. Hope all are stsying safe. I would not attend a card show this Summer unless I was vaccinated.

The results were leaked and reported by the WHO. According to Gilead the results were actually positive and the trial in China was flawed. The reaction in the stock was negative but not one that kills all hope as it is still higher than when the information came out last week. The data on the trial that is taking place in the US is coming out in early May.

There are quite a few other companies that will be releasing trial results with similar drugs and lets all hope someone has something.

In terms of a vaccine there is a company Moderna that believes they have one. I was speaking to someone this week who lives in Boston where they are based and is neighbors with someone in the company and they believe they have it and it could be fast tracked to be approved in 18 months or less. The market has pumped this stock up dramatically in recent months on this belief.

It gives me hope that we have so many talented individuals working non stop to try and help solve this crisis.

I live in Central Florida and with so much activity surrounding vacations and conventions it is going to hit us very hard and there are a lot of people hurting financially quickly.

If I was a dealer and offered a no-penalty chance to skip the show I would take it in a heartbeat. I would bet that a sizable # of collectors will not attend a show this summer and that a sizable # of dealers will not do so as well. Even if I had no fear of the bug, I think the no-shows are going to make for lousy sales.

Let's be candid here: canceling the show is probably better for our health. We are predominantly a bunch of fat, middle-aged to late middle-aged white guys with additional medical risk factors for complications from the virus. Absent a vaccine or treatment, it just isn't worth it...to paraphrase a quote from Repo Man, only an @$$hole gets killed for baseball cards.

Hey I resemble that remark!

Not like there will be "better deals" since nobody is walking the floor.

If its cancelled:
I'll miss the camaraderie, above the overpriced merchandise. As well as the chance to have the show within driving distance, with some form of other entertainment in walking distance.

Skipping the National
 

If a dealer desires they can skip the National every five years without penalty anyway. I skipped the last Anaheim National in 2006 and was credited with the year as far as priority years in booth selection.

Where is Mr. Mint when you need him? He would kick ass, take names and get some needed answers from the powers-to-be about the fate of the 2020 National.