Which card will sell for more
 

Both cards are currently at 200k Cobb in REA and Trout in Goldin.

W600 Cobb in the club house at 300k (including the BP). The Trout card closes in 3 days and is currently at 240k (288k w/BP). Will this modern rare card of a player currently playing surpass a super rare card of one of the All Time great HOFers? Last chance to vote

Sad that you have to ask, but I have faith in humanity - Cobb

Easily Trout. $500k+

I voted Trout, he seems to be this generations Albert Pujols.:)

The price difference in 15 years from now would be nice to know? I would pick the Cobb in that one.

I voted for Trout. JC, I like the contests where the winners get a prize, like an Eddie Murray rookie in vg/e or something. Rob

Which will sell for more? Trout.

Which would I rather have? Cobb (in a heartbeat).

How many of those Trouts exist (grade notwithstanding)?

I have no idea what the Trout is worth and I would rather have the Cobb a zillion times over. I do NOT understand modern. But, I am glad it’s healthy - what’s good for cards is good for all cards.

sad
 

trout unfortunately but i used to work for a auction house we sold the strasburg 1/1 auto superfractor, it was up on ebay....price over 500k, put it in the auction, sold for 20k. value now less than 1k. ill take the cobb

ugh
 

Trout :(

Peace, Mike

Trout by a country mile.

It does feel "icky" that a new shiny card would beat out Cobb, but the fact of the matter is that EVERYONE knows about the 2009 Bowman Trout. Very few know what a W600 Cobb is, or why it would be more than a T206. The Trout is extremely apparent. I think Trout wins this one easily, though, again ... it doesn't feel right saying it out loud.

Modern’s artificial scarcity and prices do not make sense to me. But, to each his/her own. I’ll take the Cobb which was mass produced, but is scarce due to the attrition of time; Not the card that went straight from a pack to an encased protective holder.

What about the W600 Wagner?

The Trout card is 5 of 5. Im not sure on the W600 Cobb pop but my guess is 5 or less. It's crazy to think Trout who is half way through his career would fetch more than one if the all time greats in Ty Cobb. This is almost a generation contest where the young will battle over the Trout and the old (age 40 and up) will battle for Cobb.

My son is a huge Trout collector, he said that particular Trout is one of the major modern sports cards of today. I guess I will pick the Trout, but I still don’t see it

Trout in the sprint
 

Cobb in the Marathon - I want to check back on this thread in 10-15 years!

Different question...
 

I think the question should be: Which one will sell for more in 5 years. I suspect it will be the Cobb.

The real question is which one is trimmed...

I fixed it for you.:)

Hey that Trout is a HIGH grade, the Cobb is only a "2".

I think most of us would take the Cobb over Trout, even if the Trout has a higher $ value in the hobby.

Now THAT is a the question! I am finding myself somewhat sucked into the modern market just a bit (nowhere near to this level of course), and I keep seeing the modern stuff going up, up, up. Collecting friends have taken great delight in pointing this out to me. I do wonder what I will see value-wise in five years? There are more modern collectors than those of us collecting vintage.

Your friends are like gamblers/lottery players, they are only telling you about the wins.

Trout has lasted WAY longer than most in the game of hot potato. These modern cards get handed around at first and everyone makes money. Then like a hot potato falling so do the prices of these cards.

I have been in the hobby for 30+ years and it has always been this way. Only now those $35-$100 rookie/prospect cards are selling for the prices of a house.

Insane prices for both!
 

Prices for both are absolutely insane!

Good thing the Cobb has a nipped bottom right corner. Can't image what it might sell for without that defect. I only know a couple of collectors that might be putting together the W600 set. Seems like an insane price even if only a handful might exist. My guess is others will become available shortly as people try to cash in. I also would be surprised if any further sales come close to the prices realized in this auction, unless the condition is superior to this W600 example.

Can't see the Trout card being worth much...but some people have more money than brains in my humble opinion. It's worth whatever someone is will to pay.

Patrick

I hear ya, Ben. I have been in the hobby about as long as you have and have seen multiple examples. We all remember the Canseco and Mattingly rookies, and who can forget the McGwire USA Olympic card?! However, something just "feels" different this time. As you said, Trout has lasted longer and continues to move at an upward trajectory. In football the Brees and Brady rookies are on the move. Don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge anyone who sees his cards appreciate. I think those cards are very attractive in some ways, and I wouldn't mind owning one or two. Then you factor in the impact of TPGing. Goodness a friend of mine is routinely buying ungraded LeBron, Trout, Brees, Brady, etc. on ebay, getting them slabbed, and making good money. The prices he gets for some of these cards makes me just shake my head.

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Who is Mr Turk and why is his autograph on a Mike Trout card?

Yikes
 

I voted trout, only because people are usually sheep and not lions. Plus most people don’t even know what the W600 Cobb is. Not that, that is any reason for a Trout to potentially sell for more than one of the most sought after Cobb cards.

I am pretty sure the guy that owns the super refractor trout has a million dollar price tag on it. And this red is the next best card. I can see it touching 750k with the right buyers going back and forth.

At any rate it will be interesting to see what the gap is between modern day “investment cards” and smelly “collectors vintage”

*Not taking any shots at vintage. I love it! But it seems there is a divide in the card market between vintage collectors and modern day investors (look at all the stupid Jordan inserts right now...and base card values of players like Lebron. Lebron year 15 base card in a gem Grade surpassed 200 for some reason. It was a dollar card 2 months ago).

Regardless of what card sells for more, the collectors who DO KNOW what the W600 Cobb is would likely wish for those who don't know that they would kindly stay that way----less competition for them. Thus, keep having fun fishing for Trout, while I search the deep to "TY" one on to this magnificent white whale Cobb.

I do not wish to infer a manufactured rarity is not worthy of big money; however, as someone else beautifully described, Mr. Trout's stature in the hobby has not settled as yet. I do not wish him evil---no way. Nevertheless, the "what in the world were you thinking?" kinds of decisions that all sorts of people make in their lives that permanently taint their once-powerful reputation fill bookstores, magazines, and are there for all to read in the newspaper.

--- Brian Powell

Ugh. Artificial scarcity has never made sense to me.

My ex-wife has boxes of limited edition Bradford Exchange plates.

My sentiments exactly. Down the road, I suspect that the disparity among the values of the various Trout autograph cards will diminish substantially.

Me too but who knows.
I will take the cobby all day long but the Demand for Trout might be the winner at this time.

Maybe in the short term. Frank Thomas and Albert Pujols got off the amazing starts to their careers and now they have cooled off. Same thing could happen to Trout. Cobb, Wagner and Ruth will keep going strong.

Bingo!!!! Trout has to be elite for at least another 5 years. Plus, not test positive for PEDs or any other performance inhancing drugs. Then to not make news in a negative way after he retires on a routine basis. What a risk dropping 6 figures for a player still playing IMO. As Daniel said, the modern investors know its a big card and I hope they don't educate themselves on Prewar investments.

Update:
Cobb at 205k
Trout at 200k

Trout is leading in the poll over Cobb by a whisker.

I don't follow the new stuff. Can someone tell me what a "10" 89 UD Griffey rookie goes for these days and the price for the same card back in the late 90's?

Also, is that Trout card a one of one or something "special" like that?

You can get a nice raw Griffey UD RC for $50 or so, but a PSA 10 just eclipsed the $1,000 mark. But they also made a few million of those.

Not everyone. I had never seen or heard of this card. If you would have told me it's a $200 card I would have believed you. I still watch the game, but I don't know anything about modern cards. I think it's great there's a healthy market for them though (not that I can afford either of these anyway).

I vote Trout. At this point there's about a 90% chance he retires as the best player of his generation and roughly a 50/50 shot he ends up having a better career than Cobb did. Moreover, W600s were ordered a la carte, so the "common players" are the real rarities, and the stars relatively common. We'll find a few more W600 Cobbs, but the Trout population never goes over 5. Manufactured vs. artificial rarity per se isn't germane to setting the market value. It's just supply and demand either way.

200k omg

There is a 50% chance that Trout becomes the player of his generation and doesn't have a decline like Pujols, Thomas and Griffey. There is a 0% chance that he has a better career than Ty Cobb.

Auction?
 

I know Cobb is in REA, what auction is Trout in?

I don't see the Trout auction either.

I voted for Trout, not because I prefer the card, but I remember the news story about someone called, "Vegas Dave" who paid $400,000.00 for a Trout "Superfractor", whatever that is...If you were to ask me, after watching the 2019 playoffs and World Series as an Astros fan, Anthony Rendon is the best player in baseball...Rob

I agree with this. Do you think Pujols would be more revered if some of his big years were recent? As a Cardinals fan I watched a ton of his first 11 years, but have rarely seen him since (and haven't seen Trout play more than a handfull of games for that matter). It would make me think twice about putting so much stock in anybody who is still playing when a 650+hr 2000+rbi guy is sometimes thought of more for his decline than what he did. Similar thinking for Griffey.

This year might be a wash for Trout. All it takes is a few little injuries here or there and his projections really slow down.

Believe Goldin?

Cant wait for the....


"I didn't realize this card was for sale as I would have added another one to my collection" comments

It's believed that Vegas Dave consigned this red card numbered out of 5 as well. The Superfractor is the 1/1 version with the champagne colored swirls in the background. Vegas Dave is also a heavy pumper like Gary V with his own groupies who invest in whatever he tells them to. He's also regularly been accused of bidding on his own cards.

I think it's nuts to think that Trout is going to continue on at the pace he's done in the past. I hope he puts up some really neat numbers in his career but sooner or later time will catch up to him and he'll have a few average seasons towards the end of his career, just like Kid Griffey, Pujols, etc. Then people will be on to the next Mike Trout and that Trout card will be yesterday's news.

Look at Pujols first 10 seasons and tell me he was a slouch. I'm going to guess that you can get Pujols most expensive rookie card for a lot less than that Trout card.

I'm sure the card companies are having a ball coming up with the next "marketing" lottery ticket (because that's how I perceive that Trout card and others like it) because it keeps them in business.

If I had that Trout card, I'd get as much as I could for it and then I'd be buying all kinds of vintage with it.

Now, for the guys that like that new shiny stuff, have at it and enjoy what you collect.

Out with the New and In with the Old. Cobb is the best value and not a flash in the pan like Trout Nothing like a Pan Fried Trout when the Values go South

Cobb in the Clubhouse at 300k. Now we have to wait 3 weeks and see how Trout does.

Trout. No contest.

$300k was highway robbery IMO. Someone got a great deal. I definitely take the Trout, although admittedly, I have no idea why that Trout card is worth anything significant

I don't say this to diminish Cobb in any way, but come on. Trout is not a "flash in the pan." He is the best player of his generation.

In eight full seasons, he has finished top two in MVP voting seven times. He has led the A.L. in offensive WAR seven times in eight years. The only season he wasn't in the top two in MVP voting and failed to lead the league in offensive WAR, he missed a third of the season due to injury.

Be it 1910 or 2020, those are otherworldly stats.

So, what does a 1/1 for a player that didn’t become a star go for? Or even another 5/5? What is the average Joe’s bump on these serial numbered cards?

Keeping cash and buy TSLA. LOL

They literally go for about $10-20, maybe a little more if they have the Major League team shown and a team collector wants it.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...lete=1&_sop=15

That’s so weird.

Trout’s numbers are even with Puljos’ first 8 years. Would you pay big money for a Puljos card at this point? Exactly. His numbers have the ability to drop just like Puljos.

The Cobb value is set in stone. The Trout card’s downside is greater than the card’s upside. An all-time great v. a player who still has the ability to sustain multiple injuries and risking hundreds of thousands? It’s not even close. Hindsight is 20/20, but Cobb is the correct investment here. Buying that Trout is not really investing but more of like a casino play. It’s gambling.

I would rather have the Cobb card in a heartbeat. I was mostly objecting to the characterization of a guy with seven top-two MVP finishes in eight years as a "flash in the pan." Even though I would rather have the Cobb card, I recognize that Trout is the best player of his generation.

When I first saw your user name, I was worried you might not be objective on the topic. :D;)

Pujols is an all-time great and one of the 25 best players in baseball history, but I don't think he was as good as Trout to this point in his career, was never a 5-tool player, was never as marketable, and represents close to the worst-case scenario for Trout going forward.

Not saying the price on the Trout should be more than Cobb or anything like that, but his all-around performance and marketability is unlike anything we have seen probably since Mantle.

If they both retire today, I'd say Trout has had about the 30th best career in MLB history (including 8 pitchers) and Pujols about the 40th best. More to the point, Trout has done more in his first 8 seasons than Pujols had done in his astonishingly strong first 10 seasons. Statistically he's at least the best player since Barry Bonds and arguably the best since Ruth.

Pointing out that Trout won't keep up the same pace is not insightful. It's just a straw man since neither did Cobb or Ruth.

Not to make this thread about Trout vs Pujols, but here's the stats...

first 9 years:

Mike Trout - ROY, MVP-1 (3), MVP-2 (4), MVP-4 (1), SS (7)
AB=4340, R=903, H=1324, 2B=251, HR=285, RBI=752, SB=200, AVG=.305
postseason game wins=0

Albert Pujols - ROY, MVP-1 (3), MVP-2 (3), MVP-3 (1), MVP-4 (1), SS (5), GG (1)
AB=5146, R=1071, H=1717, 2B=387, HR=366, RBI=1112, SB=61, AVG=.334
2006 World Series Champion

or if you want to take out Albert's 9th year to make the ABs more similar here's his first 8 years:
AB=4578, R=947, H=1531, 2B=342, HR=319, RBI=977, SB=45, AVG=.334

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Frank Thomas was another that I thought might be interesting, first 9 seasons - 2 MVPs, 5 AS
AB=4406, R=894, H=1416, 2B=281, HR=286, RBI=963

Then there's Griffey, probably a better comparison considering they both play the same position? First 9 seasons - 1 MVP (really he only won it once?!?!), 8 AS
AB=4593, R=820, H=1389, 2B=261, HR=294, RBI=872

I think these stats tend to show these other guys hit for better average than Trout, and may have had better teams around them (?) when looking at the RBI differentials. The BB totals aren't hugely different, so that doesn't seem to be a factor. I didn't bother to look at Ks, but again I doubt there's a substantial impact from that which would change this analysis.

I can't believe I'm saying this, because Trout is really good, but is it just possible he's not as good as we want him to be?

Or, does it possibly say anything about the elite caliber of other players in MLB during this era? I don't know - it's fun to think about though, especially the impacts of collecting.

Anyway, I voted Trout on this and it won't even be close.

As an Astros fan, if there is a runner on 2nd and 2 outs, I don't want them to walk Trout to get to Pujols, even now. Pujols has always destroyed Astros' pitching. Trout swings and misses at high fastballs a lot.

I think my vote for Trout was wrong, I think the Cobb sold for more than the Trout will go for. Last I saw, the Trout was still at 200K.

Trout was never a 5 tool player either. He is average defensively and has an average arm. He even played quite a bit of left field earlier in his career, not where you would stick a good fielder with a strong arm. Albert Pujols and Frank Thomas were significantly better offensively than Trout at his peak, that makes up for Trout's speed and base running. At one time Thomas and Pujols were hot and cooled off when their performance dropped. Unless Trout can play at a high level through his 30s like Cobb, Ruth, Clemente, Mays, Aaron, Williams, etc. he will too.

If Trout is at or passing his peak, then this card is also and has little upside. The Cobb will continue to rise and some think it actually sold low, even at 300k.

Really? At age 36 Ruth led the majors with 10.5 WAR as well as HR, OBP, SLG, OPS, OPS+ with 218. Age 37 OPS+ 201. Age 38 OPS+ 176. Age 39 OPS+ 160.

At age 35, Cobb hit .401 with an OPS of 1.026 despite only hitting 4 home runs and was 2nd in oWAR. At age 38 Cobb hit .378 and led the league in OPS and OPS+ and hit a career high 12 home runs. That season, upset about all the talk of Ruth's Home Runs, Cobb told writers he could hit home runs if he wanted to and went out and hit 3 home runs along with a double and 2 singles going 6 for 6. The next day he hit 2 more setting a MLB record for most HRs in back to back games that still stands. Then Cobb went back to playing his "dead ball era" style.

None of these prices for modern cards makes any sense, without there being an underhanded catalyst involved. Here's my take: a card dealer owns multiples of a very low production serial#'d card of a "hot" player. The dealer consigns one of these super-rare super-hot cards through a major auction house and, either by himself or with the help of his associates/employees/family members, shills up the auction from multiple bidder accounts and then essentially buys the card from himself. After the smoke and mirrors show is produced for the collecting/investing public, no money has actually traded hands. The market is now primed for the next auction of this super-rare super-hot card from a different seller (or, so we're led to believe). The same dealer has another one of his super-rare super-hot cards consigned, this time by a family member, friend, or possibly even a fellow shady dealer who takes a pre-negotiated cut of the final sale price. And yes, unfortunately, there are plenty of trust fund dimwits out there foaming at the mouth to be the next high roller / "baller" who spends record bucks on that card.

I **LOVE** This.

Trout is a little bit less than halfway to Cobb's career WAR, but he's beating everyone in history for his various ages up until now. (This will almost certainly not continue after we lose this season.) Any detailed Cobb/Ruth comparisons are premature, but we are definitely watching one of the all-time greats.

Pujols more or less matched Trout's yearly production in his 20s, but Trout started a year younger than Pujols did, which accounts for his higher totals at each age. At his established level of production, Trout's career will equal Pujols' in value in 3+ years. He could, of course, crater like Pujols did, but that's pretty much a worst-case scenario. (Sort of like rivaling Ruth is a best-case scenario. Neither one is likely.)

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LOL

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Final call to vote and I updated the current positions of each card.

With this buffoon around named
 

Vegas Dave, there is little chance Cobb is the winner. This clowno will pay anything for high end, ultra rare Trout cards. Go to you tube and put his name in and see.

Vegas Dave and Holly Sonders were an item til recently too. Good to see she is not as brainless as previous actions indicated.

I am rooting for The Trouter Man to tank the rest of his career (not really) :D just to see this Vegas Dave lose millions for trying to openly monopolize the Trout market.

Ive never heard of him. He must have somekind of large bankroll to affect the market on Trout. Sounds like the Hunt Brothers of the 70s trying to corner the market on Silver

Vegas Dave is selling this card. I am sure he is making a huge profit.

funny - just yesterday I was scrolling through ebay just wasting time. And got curious; Pat Mahomes signed rookie cards with mint grades; $50K+++ Peyton Manning signed rookie cards, also mint, $1-2k.

In what world does that make sense (yet?) the recency bias in the modern market is insane. Just buy known quantities, at the end of their career or retirement. The speculation on the front end of careers is just lunacy.

https://goldinauctions.com/2009_Bowm...-LOT57497.aspx

No switching your votes

I was just about to switch mine :D:D:D:D:eek::eek::eek::eek:

Not saying it is the case here with this card, but we all know that sometimes an unscrupulous person will gladly pay even a hefty AH fee to get a big sale number in the data record.

In such a case the owner might be sitting on a few similar or identical cards, and then even if they sell later direct at a beefy discount from the AH hammer, there will be substantial profit.

Enough profit where paying the AH fee on a "sale" paid off well.

It's happened before in the hobby and will happen again.

Re-Holder
 

$420 K with the hammer. Amazing. And the case is scratched. Good luck to the guy who cracks that baby out to re-holder.

Cobb.

The auction is stil going on. Looks like Trout is the winner. Now the question is.... By how much?

Trout wins by $500,000
$780,000 total.
you will be able to see it in completed auctions spring auction session 1 tomorrow

MAKE THAT $900,000
STILL GOING

Speaking as someone (who relies on the measly military retirement and VA disability pay) who has to scratch and claw for the money to buy the cards I want, the obscene prices cards are getting right now make me absolutely sick and disgusted.

A PSA 3 '86 Fleer Michael Jordan is going for $2K+ right now!!!!!

I'm seriously wondering if I should just throw in the towel and give up :(

Steve