David Hall's complete t206 collection
 

I wonder anyone has ever seen David Hall's complete t206 collection. Not that I don't believe he has had 5000+ t206s but browsing thru Dave's t206 collection would be a nice Netfilx documentary movie. It is really sad if he starts breaking up his collection without showing off to us or anyone since we all like to show off our "complete back runs of a single player". Imagine looking at hundreds of complete back run of t206s... WOW. :D :D :D

No, what is sad is that the first time his company was paid to give an opinion on a card, they got it wrong, and nobody seems to care.

Doug "but I'm sure all of the opinions noted on his slabs are correct" Goodman

nobody seems to care? what are you talking about? many many people have criticized PSA for that for years and years.

Yes, I agree with this. This card has been crucified for years and years. Pertaining David's collection, it is unbelievable! Also, please keep in mind, David bought a ton of SGC graded cards as well.....

Nobody who has bought it seems to care. And there is zero doubt Kendrick could sell it at a huge profit today. And I am guessing Doug's point is a broader one -- PSA started out getting one of the biggest cards in the hobby 100 percent wrong, but it hasn't impacted its business at all.

And therein lies the crux. Put aside some of the current scandals, if we take the most iconic card in the hobby, acknowledge that it is altered, and it has gone up in value by (millions) of dollars - the whole point of proceedings, particularly civil, is based upon the idea of there being "damages" that can be quantified. In the Wagner case, damages cannot be asserted

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He probably didn't want all over graded altered cards.:rolleyes:

David Hall
 

David ended his quest with 5000+ different combo's.

Stop the madness and move on. The mistake was made and I am sure he answered questions on it many more times than I think about it. Shit happens. My honest opinion is just collect SGC, they are never wrong.

Hilarious, so what prompted SGC STOP their Guaranty, and not talk about it other than it being removed from their website?

Doug, way to hijack the chain - asshole move.

I am so sick of you dicks turning every thread into a bitchfest.

I would love to have seen David Hall’s whole collection and I hope it is documented in pictures somewhere, because it’s likely the closest anyone will get to a true master set.

Ryan Hotchkiss

Bitchfest this....All his stupid cards are trimmed, IMHO

WHO cares about this assholes trimmed over graded collection PERIOD

Do you ever contribute anything positive on this site?

Chuck, why do you think all of his cards are trimmed?

It doesn’t matter if the cards are trimmed or not they weren’t bought in PWCC and they’re in Newport Beach Opinion givers slabs so sheeple will buy them regardless.

Everybody is upset over what has happened to this hobby, but not every thread has to end up complaining about it. Let's have some threads about the scandal, and let's have others to discuss vintage baseball cards. And then everybody will be happy.;)

Selective disarmament (i.e.- laying down our pitchforks) may require some type of thread designation to facilitate effective enforcement of this policy.:D

yes, to the autograph side. letting people know their Mickey Mantle's are fake, you, wise ass?

Let's at least call off the cavalry.

he started the company with a trimmed card he said was not trimmed...AND "HE SAW IT" according to him. Also, it is widely know his 7's look like 5's and his 8's like 6's. Hence, the preferential treatment we all know exists. When they're not trimmed, colored and bathed in chemicals that is.

I love you Barry and respect you and your opinions. I find it impossible as they are 1 in the same. The glass of water has piss in it, therefore it's ALL PISS, IMHO

I hate to add to this post but many of his SGC crossovers were actually downgraded. So I guess he also requested that too?

Chuck may be blunt, but what's been going on for decades and what's coming to light now just isn't pretty, and it's pointless IMO to try to minimize it and put a positive spin on it and fault people for reacting to it with disgust. Sorry if some of us are spoiling your day, but as the cliché goes, it is what it is.

[QUOTE=Fuddjcal;1903278]he started the company with a trimmed card he said was not trimmed...AND "HE SAW IT" according to him. Also, it is widely know his 7's look like 5's and his 8's like 6's. Hence, the preferential treatment we all know exists. When they're not trimmed, colored and bathed in chemicals that is.[/

Oops, wrong thread cited. See below.

Thanks for the love Chuck.:)

But can’t we keep that bluntness for the threads about what’s going on and leave the benign threads to their topic??!!

The OP asked a legit question - has anyone ever seen Hall’s whole t206 collection. Not to see if the cards are trimmed or overgraded, but bc it is hands-down the greatest collection of varied T206 cards ever assembled. It’s an amazing feat/collection and, on its own, worthy of discussion, especially considering it is being broken up and sold.

Some of us want to still talk about and enjoy cards. We didn’t do anything wrong! We are angry too, but we still love cards and want to talk about them. Can’t people respect that, and not hijack every thread with anger and all caps and devolve it into the same thing that is already being discussed plenty of places elsewhere?

I mean come on.... I am not trying to minimize anything. I am just asking that we don’t make everything, especially benign card threads, about how much PSA and PWCC suck.

A reasonable point, it just seemed like the thread was already off the rails and I didn't like seeing Chuck attacked when I think his heart's in the right place.

thank you for defending chuck, interpreting doug and basically trying to direct traffic anytime pwcc or PSA has been mentioned the past month. Ryan is correct. Every thread doesn’t have to pertain to the shitshow that’s happening in the hobby. and just because someone might want to talk about cards doesn’t mean he is ignoring what’s going on.

Who responded first to Doug, me or you? So it's fine for you to attack him but not for me to then interpret him. Got it.

It could be, but its crystal clear where his head is.

I know that I have sold him some cards over the past several years that I would love to have back! Many are 1 of 1's, he has a fantastic collection.....

attack? not in the least.

Fair enough bad word choice on my part, but my point is I was just responding to what you said and not looking to derail the thread. I thought perhaps you had misinterpreted Doug's point. And if you can point me to any discussion about cards which did not involve the scandal and I tried to make it about the scandal please show me.

I have not seen people trying to “put a positive spin on it and fault people for reacting to it with disgust.” you seem to imply that if someone wants a thread to just talk cards, he’s doing just that.

That was a dig at Joe Orlando's latest missive, should have been clearer, was discussed in another thread. Sorry for any confusion.

I didn’t take anything by Peter’s post. Just saying in general - let’s leave the psa/pwcc talk to the psa/pwcc threads and keep it out of the others.

Not only was it an a move, but I am a d, and I hope the entire collection burns in a fire.

F him, f his collection, f what the opinion sellers have done to the "hobby" and as long as we're at it f you.

But that's just me.

Doug

Who's the bigger a?

Me - for "hijacking" a thread?

David Hall - for building a business on lies

Ryan - for calling me an a because I noted David Hall's first known lie in a post about David Hall?


If the Charles Manson set goes on sale, I may mention Sharon Tate. Apologies in advance.

Doug "just call me a" Goodman

Easily you for all the F bombs, otherwise easily David Hall.

Laughing out loud.

I'm a modern day sailor, we can't help ourselves when it comes to cussing.

Doug

In real life almost every other word I say is a cuss word as I worked construction most of my life. On this forum they make me cringe and wish people would not use them.

I hope there is a list, in spreadsheet form, of all the front/back combinations. Might be useful for some T206 experts to research which cards may not exist with certain backs, and so on.

[Mark apologizes for bringing the thread back on point.]

Doug, thank you for your opinions. You are a class act. Have a nice Sunday.

Ryan

try t206resource.com

Other collectors
 

I wonder if Lou Lipset and Bill Heitman still have their collections.
Both were known to have rather large and top condition collections
in the early 80's.

To me.... confirmation on a "spreadsheet" doesn't mean seeing front/back scan as a proof.

I have a list which was derived from David Hall's master set. Over the years, I've supplied David with a good number of T206 scarce front/back combos [AMERICAN BEAUTY 460,
BROAD LEAF 350, LENOX, PIEDMONT 350 (Elite 11), UZIT, etc.]

This list is approx. a year old, and lists 5244 different T206's. It also includes the red Ty Cobb with the TY COBB back. I'm sure David has acquired a few more T206's since then.

I have cross-checked it with the T206 information I have provided in the..... T206 Reference. This thread is an extensive wealth of information regarding all the confirmed T206
front/back combos. Furthermore, it provides expectations of certain T206's that have yet to be confirmed. And, it identifies the "T206's" which are NO-PRINTS.


TED Z
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Both have been members of our forum over the years. I think Lew probably still reads it. If so, "hi Lew." Lew has always been very helpful in hobby information endeavors, not to mention the Encyclopedia of Baseball Cards.
I believe both gentlemen sold all or almost all (maybe minus a few pieces) of their collections. I knew Lew's was great but Bill's was a bit before my return to the hobby (as an adult.)

As an ardent back collector, but of mostly other type cards, the T206 backs in the Hall collection, all together, would be cool to see.

The checklists on T206resource.com are around 99.9% perfect. If you're new to T206 back collecting, that's definitely the place to start. If you have doubts about anything you can always google, cardtarget, vcp, ask a question here, etc.

told you.

I agree, a virtual display of all of them for viewing would be great to see. It would also be a valuable reference moving forward regarding front/back combos...

Thanks Ted, I just went to your link for a quick peek and spent almost a half hour there before realizing my day was slipping away. Fascinating stuff! I'll be back to read more as time permits.

I love the idea of trying to reconstruct how these cards were made... usually this type of logical exercise involves trying to solve some cold-case crimes, so this is a refreshing alternate research topic.

Thank you for the kind words Ryan, wishing a happy Sunday to you and yours, also.

Doug "class act" Goodman



with thanks to the original poster:
Here is an evidently less offensive visual

Well, it appears that you've proven Ryan's point. Well done.

[QUOTE=doug.goodman;1903615]Thank you for the kind words Ryan, wishing a happy Sunday to you and yours, also.

Doug "class act" Goodman



I am the original poster of this thread and I got this! LOL Thank you!

I hear what you're saying, you love cards. That's the difference between us and the reason you'd like me to shut up about PWCC and Brent Mastro.

Unfortunately for you, I won't shut up about it. They cheated on me and I kicked the M effer's OUT.

That's the difference between us. Cards cheated on you and you still love them. Good for you. I effin hate them. You cheat & you're dead to me. Just like baseball cards.... Dead to me. I'm out of love with them.

Now go get brow beat by your wife and hope she doesn't cheat on you too....But you're IN LOVEEEEEEEEEEEE.

Obviously my sarcasm was lost on you, and probably others.

This thread was meant as a celebration of the collection of somebody who has instrumental in f@#king up our hobby.

Apologies to those who don't appreciate my blunt language.

I refuse to celebrate him, or any of the others involved without pointing out their actions (if we are going to celebrate somebody in the t206 world, let's celebrate Ted Z).


Those of you who choose to put your heads in the sand and ignore that the very first card they gave an opinion on was a lie, and because of that every card that followed deserves to be looked at sideways, are certainly allowed to do that, BUT when you post your celebrations on a public site, then be prepared for a's like me (Ryan's term, I prefer "snarky f@#ker") to chime in.

If you don't want to hear from me and my kind, then take it private.

Doug "I wonder how much of his set is over graded" Goodman



PS -
sorry that shooting craps offends people more than liars who own opinion companies. Here is an evidently less offensive visual.

Obviously you missed the point of the whole thread. This thread was about the cards, not the grades or who graded them. Not about David Hall, Gary Moser, PWCC, etc. We don't want to discuss them.

Some of us want to know what cards Hall has to know that particular cards exist. I am interested in possibly picking up a few cards at the low end of the grading scale, cards that haven't been altered or those graded as altered. The vast majority of my t206s aren't graded if you ever read Ted's threads. I prefer my cards raw, but sometimes buy graded. If someone has details of his collection, particularly rare backs, I am interested in hearing that information. That is all.

Between the 3 auctions for the cards wouldn't they all be pictured/described in the catalogs?

Right!!

This should have been a fun and interesting thread. Instead I have to scroll past a half dozen motion images of a guy masturbating. What is it with people who keep posting that? Do you think it's funny? Does it help the discussion along? Is it what you are thinking about? Come on people, grow up, please, or go spend your time at a porn site with like-minded perverts, so people who want to discuss cardboard may do so without the filth.

and i thot
 

he was throwing dice at the craps table...! :eek:

I agree on that Mark, these images should be taken down, leave the posts be.....But the motion images, I hope Leon takes down....

There’s going to be far more auctions than just 3 with Hall’s cards. They will go well into next year.

You couldn't put a positive spin on a washing machine....

I do think it's a bit ridiculous that just about every single thread, at least on the prewar section of this board - turns into a rage session about the current scandal and those who have done disservice to our hobby. Trust me, I don't have my head in the sand. I'm plenty upset myself and have done more than my fair share of spreading communication and warning others about what is going on to others on other sites, many who at least from their comments would seem to be actually uninformed, or at best woefully misinformed. But on the flip side I still do love my (mostly mid-to-lower) grade vintage baseball cards. I like talking about them and discussing their ridiculous nuances here online. And reading through these posts sometime to separate the wheat from the chaff in terms of the vitriol and personal attacks can get a bit stupid. I don't (at least I don't think...) know any of you all personally, and I haven't really had that long of an online relationship with you in these forums, so some of it I guess is either in jest, or taken at least less seriously by some than it would appear to Joe Public surfing the forum. So I'm not beating up on anyone - but does it get beyond annoying at times? Yes.

Just my 2 cents.

-John

Shout-out to Heritage!!!
Just got my Part 2 of the David Hall Collection Catalog.
It came with an addition T206 collecting booklet. I really think was cool to include this. Those who do not participate or read N54 on this subject matter, well here it is.
Something interesting to read for sure.
Thanks Heritage.

I wonder what cards he is missing, and if they even exist. Any idea of how many one of one cards are included? I'd love to see them !

??
Weak.



Meanwhile
Incredible T206s holy caruga ! This is reason I came on the forum to see great cards thank you for posting will try to stay positive just sent 30 cards to psa for review for trimmage/ will update

MD

My guess is Hall didn't own 5k diff t206s, he claims he has or possibly know where/who he can obtain those ones that he was missing. That's why no one has ever since his "completed" t206 collection nor the complete checklist. I just don't think any serious collectors who were so aggressively paying got-to-have-it prices obtaining cards to complete their sets for yrs then just turned around and started selling them after a few weeks since he has already "achieved his goal". Hall probably frustrated for quite some times not be able to obtain cards that he needed from other collectors who are holding those one-of-one cards and decided to dump the whole collections to AH and flood the market.

I have sold David several T206 cards which are 1 of 1......the most notable one is this Herzog / UZIT.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...erzogSGC45.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ogUZITx37b.jpg



TED Z

T206 Reference
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There is a David Hall checklist. It's not public but a very small group of T206 collectors have it and a few others have a modified version to show a true "master" checklist.

Well, your "guess" is meaning-less.

David Hall would regularly email his updated wantlist to those of us who provided him with many of the tougher T206 cards. There is absolutely no doubt that he has approx. 5400
different T206 cards. Furthermore, when David would come to my booth at every National these past 10+ years, I got to see his Master set list. And, I am sure the same was true
for other dealers he trusted in.

This thread started, more or less, on a positive note. However, it has now (like many other recent threads on this forum) de-generated into a typical "social media" verbal slugfest.

So tell us.....do you personally know David Hall ?

And, how do you know how he thinks ? ?

Look guy, since 2001, this forum has been a meeting-place for some really meaningful dialogue and great sharing of information regarding many aspects of Sportscard collecting.
Consequently, some really great friendships have developed here on Net54....and the majority of us would like the congeniality we enjoy on this forum to continue.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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