New allegations on BO
 

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1297351

The title of the thread there is
Brent Huigens & PWCC Used pwcc_auctions ID to Buy Cards for Gary Moser to Trim/Alter

No doubt they are engaged in a menage a trois of sorts...imho that is.

Looks more like a pas de deux to me.

My latest email to Steve Sloan (Cc: Betsy):

Remember the two things that went missing on the internet this week: pre-2015 back scans and obfuscated buyer ids...

This doesn't even surprise me at this point. That's sad. :(

You’re forgetting betsy.

Brent just needs to post another "calming" video for his investors on youtube. Problem solved. Where's Martin?:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

https://img.comc.com/i/Non-Sports/19...&size=original
1994 SkyBox Bongo Comics Simpsons Series 2 - Characters #S 23 - Martin Prince
Courtesy of COMC.com

Ivy League edumacated.

If this is true. RIP any card bought and sold through PWCC. All the cards they ever handled are pretty much deemed suspect from this moment on. Also a big blow for “High End” this backs what collectors have been saying for years. As to the idea that high grade card should not exist.

If true we all know this is not the first time someone has tried this and not the last. I also would that a lot of others scammers are out in the world doing this.

Oh, Blowout has already identified 10 other scammers in the last couple of months. Hot and heavy trimming with BGS, mostly: Kevin Burge, SSI (Sliheets). Just spend a few days there in their member feedback section and it's like you've taken the red pill from The Matrix.

I wonder how many of the outed cards will be showing up for auction again this summer.

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Originally Posted by swarmee (Post 1883532) Remember the two things that went missing on the internet this week: pre-2015 back scans and obfuscated buyer ids...

And I'm sure any official investigators would find that tidbit most interesting...you might say the evidence you can't see may be the most damning...

It's always the cover up that hurts the most. And who asked that those things disappear? eBay per VCP.

I thought the IDs were back?

I really don't know much of the details as to what is going on with PWCC, but I read some of the Blowout forum in the link and have an idea.

Does this mean I should suspect trimming or alterations on any PWCC cards I purchased?

They are, but the fact that eBay told Bobby to pull them in the first place was not cool. And it was very likely to have been prodded by PWCC.

I would only worry about the cards bought from PWCC if they're from 1886 to 2019. The rest are probably fine.

Most definitely. I know I would. Especially any card with a "High End Sticker". Hell, any card worth over, say $1,000 is quite suspect IMHO.

How does PSA determine the amount refund on an improperly graded card? Is it based on current market? Amount paid? Other?

Mark

Current market per their Grade Guarantee.

Who knows. This is unprecedented. I'm just blown away at the SHEER (or is it SHEAR..haha) MAGNITUDE at the volume of cards that have been tampered with. I would be totally shocked if the Feds don't come in like they did Mastro.

I wonder if Moser has ever asked for a refund on a rare downgraded card.:eek:

And what a Bull market we are in.

yes, and...
 

You can also narrow it down to sports and non-sports trading cards.

At least John gave us the 1886-2019 window.

I see where Topps is now taking orders on the 2037 Baseball Card Set featuring Aaron Judge Jr. RCs.

Yeah. I saw how well that part of it worked with Mastro.

And the last card of Mike Trout, who made a comeback at age 46 to try once more to make the playoffs for the first time in his career.

If they need some legal advice, these guys have some:
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"We're not here to talk about the past."

PaulMaul is doing a pretty good impression:
https://forums.collectors.com/discus...ned-by-pwcc/p4

Must suck to be censored.

Apparently, the CGC labeling of comic books includes calling 'conserved' comic as unaltered. This conservation includes pressing and removing of binding and coloring!

This is 100% what baseball card collectors don't want and are against. If a card has been conserved or restored fine, but the baseball card wants and insists the work be designated on the label-- and the card can't get a numerical grade.

Now I know why PWCC, and Goudey, want the baseball card hobby to adopt that labeling system. The CGC labeling system doesn't label what the baseball card hobby consider alterations.

Sent this to the FDLE tipline this morning

I'm totally sickened by all this. In my opinion, there is a big difference between removing wax stains with panythose and trimming cards and adding color. Disgusting.

All laid out on a silver platter. If you live in Texas, report the BGS/SSI stuff. If you live in Oregon, report the PWCC stuff, if you live in New York, report PWCC for taking away state sales tax from their Vault promotions.

It wasn’t eBay.

Well, Bobby claims to have proof. And phone records showing many long calls with eBay reps to resolve it. So if it was just Brent and not eBay, that's another company that will take it on the chin.

That is great, I seriously appreciate all that is going on to expose the scammers.

IMHO nobody is taking advantage of the grading companies. They are either in on it or they hire blind graders.

A scandal is occurring that is apparently massive in proportion affecting graded cards at all levels and we're worried about a few hours when some VCP data went dark? WTF.

Shows Brent was trying to kill the evidence and stop the BO guys from investigating further. And then covering it up by blaming on eBay. Seems pretty bad to me. Aren’t you an attorney?

Looking at her profile on Linked In, she's not a stupid woman, and she has to know nearly everything this Auction House is doing. I haven't seen PWCC's financial statements but they claim $50 million in annual sales, so there are 2 things that can occur: 1. Since there appears to be more than enough evidence against PWCC in the form of Shill The only problem

I think people are just trying to put all the pieces together. But I could be wrong.

The evidence against Brent is massive. To me the VCP thing is a sideshow, if that.

When Brent claims he was duped by Moser and had no clue, he and Bobby are going to have to explain why they removed the links to stop the BO guys from investigating. Bobby presumably is not going to continue lying about this for Brent when he eventually is going to have to explain the story to the Feds, so why would Brent be asking him to do this and then concocting the absurd story of eBay doing it on Memorial Day weekend if he wasn’t aware of the crimes being committed?

I understand the issue, I am just saying to me in the context of massive direct evidence of fraud it's a sideshow. Particularly with no smoking gun (that I am aware of anyhow). Brent will not claim that, by the way, in my opinion, he's told way too many people he knows exactly what Gary does. Not to mention the paper trail.

Can you even imagine where Brent has to be mentally in all this? Walls have to feel like they are closing in!

And yet the auction is cranking and bids are flying in as per usual.

House of cards ready to crash.

Either the world doesn't know yet, or the world doesn't care.
It's ironic that if you scroll down to the bottom of this thread (at least right now) you see his ad. Surreal, in a way.

I visualize a "breaking bad" type of scenario with brent/betsy/Moser...pumping out product as fast as they can and burying stacks of cash somewhere to recover after doing their sentences.

The world doesn’t know. But they’re going to know very soon.

I think so, and certainly hope so, in this day and age word will spread.

Don't disagree but then what about our site which has PWCC ad in banner?

that's leon's preference to continue to associate with a crook!

What makes you think that PSA will pay a cent to anyone? That is not their MO; if that was the plan don't you think we'd have heard from PSA by now, nearly a month into this?

I expect that anyone who wants to cash in on the PSA guarantee will have to sue PSA to do it. Smells like a class action to me...

On its current trajectory this scandal is going to be the biggest threat they have dealt with yet. We'll see if they do their WIWAG ostrich thing again or provide a more meaningful response.

"I really do not get it why people are slamming him. must be jealousy simply because he is successful at what he does and has a big following of buyers and sellers. All I see is he is trying hard to make the hobby a better place for everyone. What other seller out there is trying to do something for the good of it instead of trying to rip everyone off?" - Bobby Binder VCP (April, 2017).

:eek:

I suspect they are going to bury their head in the sand like they always have and hope it all just goes away. I can assure you it’s not. This time it’s going to be different.

haha...funny! Brent either had everybody fooled or everybody's in on it!!!!

PWCC had and probably still has lots of people drinking their Kool Aid.

Steven, yeah that's certainly been their corporate culture. Will the new guy Sloan make a difference, or the sheer magnitude of it?

My prediction: not until the summonses start landing on the desk of CU's registered agent for service of process...

If you look at the market cap of CLCT, the amount they have in reserve to pay out for claims like these, and then do a rough calculation as to their legitimate exposure, I suspect Sloan is having a very hard time sleeping at night.

Yup. It's ugly. Now of course they probably have a claim over against whoever submitted these fraudulent cards, be it Brent or Gary, for breach of the submission agreement and maybe fraud, but that's probably not much consolation.

They also face the possibility of securities fraud claims, I suppose, if they have reason to know their reserve is materially insufficient.

I imagine Brent will blame it all on Moser, PSA and refer to his tenets as the authority to make it all seem ok, PSA will blame Brent and Moser for duping them and Moser will blame Brent, I suspect for conspiring with him to commit fraud. Ultimately that will be for the Feds and lawyers to sort out as to whom is responsible for what. The bottom line is assuming all of the research BO is doing is accurate, they are all guilty in part and will be held accountable whether it be financial or criminal. And until there’s a better system of somehow marking cards that get graded so any attempt at altering (or conserving as Brent would say) can be easily caught, this cycle will repeat itself again in the next few years. Just too much money at stake.

Could be a similar response

" As (insert whatever helps here) is a federal offense, it is common that the FBI becomes involved to achieve restitution from the suspected party. In this particular case, there may be an open FBI investigation, and we recommend that any parties involved reach out to that organization directly"

Paraphrased from a TPG, until my grades ship next werk

Brent can't blame Moser.

One needs only look at the current bids and it appears to be business as usual.

As it was for Legendary, until it wasn't.

If Brent was smart, he'd cancel all his eBay listings and return the cards to his consignors. Well, the cards that can't be used as evidence.

Edit: And I emailed him this recommendation and CC: Steve Sloan.

John, I appreciate the letter you sent to the FL authorities. Thank you

Agreed. The walls are getting weaker. To speak nothing of the vault.

FBI won't do anything
 

I wouldn't count on the FBI or police doing anything positive for us. Over the last decade or so, I've learned how corrupt our government is. WTC 7 was hidden from the masses when it collapsed in 2001, sandy hoax, fake shootings, fake propaganda to take our gun rights away. The Feds and FBI are in on all these deceptions.

These big companies work with the governments and federal authorities to deceive us, so don't count on them being of any help. They all cover their own asses with lies and deceptions. I don't trust the governments and I don't trust freemasons.

If past experience is a guide, PSA will say nothing unless they absolutely have to. After all, they haven't yet said the Wagner Gretzky is trimmed.

Or sheet cut!!

Well, they don't have $4 million in the bank to pay out on that one, either. But I've said before that the owner of the card (and the community as a whole) would probably say there's not much value lost on that card by putting it in an AUTH ALTERED holder because it is the most famous copy of the most famous card in the world, and was owned by the most famous hockey player.

The current auction prices look like this has had no effect at all.

It will take time to have an effect, but I believe it will.

I can't imagine people would already have bids up to 28 grand on the E98 Cobb knowing all this.

Not everyone knows all this yet.

Maybe they just want PSA to take it deeper out of hide.

Small corner of the collecting world, this and BO.