Any interest in a pricier piggyback sub?? - WE ARE LOGGED IN! - POPPED!!
 

I am trying to get together a pricier sub for cards worth more (up to $500). The cost is $20 per sub with the usual $1 to and from Cali. I don't mind eating the majority of the freight on these because I am subbing anyway. Just wanted to see if anyone was interested. They are currently running 25 business days.

r u sure you don't want to change to SGC?

100% positive. They should do better in a PSA slab.

How many do you need, Bobby?

There is no minimum. This is definitely happening. Just wanted to see if someone had something they always wanted to submit, but couldn't because of the value restrictions placed on the bulk sub.

Bobby,

I am interested.

Would you mind giving a quick primer (or directing me to the information) on how to determine my card(s) value prior to receiving a grade? I've never submitted any cards.

I have two of the 93 sp Jeters for example. May want to include more once I understand the question I asked, and the process.

Tony

Well....you have to value them as to what monetary amount you would want should PSA damage them. And be REALISTIC based upon your eyes and what you think they should grade. For example, I am submitting a nicely centered Jim Brown rookie. It looks like between a '3' and a '4' to me. So I am valuing it for the full $499.

Thanks Bobby.

So is it $20+$1 per card regardless of the assigned value (<500$)?

Yes.

Anyone else?

Hi Bobby

I have a GAI 6 52 Bowman Musial that I'd like to get in a PSA holder (hopefully).

That would qualify for this or no?

Thanks.

Scott

Yes....cause it's over $100 and under $500. My advice would be to break it out of that holder. Can you live with the results if PSA says it is trimmed?

500 + psa sub
 

I may be in for a couple cards

Bobby,

Can I send in crosses or reviews or must everything be raw? Thanks.

Everything must be raw....I can crack them out for you if you are leery...I rather not....but I can.

I have absolutely no idea how to crack open my GAI holder lol. I’m about as handy as a doorknob.......

One more stupid question, and, believe me, I appreciate your handling this - can there be both regular and tall boys?

It's not pretty....it involves garden shears and a flathead screwdriver.

As long as they aren't bigger than the alloted size. If you mean by tall boys, 1965 Topps football, then yes.

If every card is $20+$1, shouldn't all of them be valued at $499?

so....
Place the cards in a cardsaver, mail to you with our net54 usernames, send you a PM or email listing the cards we sent and their value, paypal the payment to you.

Did I miss anything?

Not necessarily. The bulk sub's limit is $100. This sub's limit is $499. Say you have a card valued at $300. It's too much to go under the bulk sub, but can go under this sub. And while would you value a card at $499 if it is only worth $300? All that does is jack the shipping up, which I am footing the bill on with this sub anyway.

Oh, that's it then. More shipping cost for higher value.

Yes....just be actual. Claim what the card is actual worth and what you need in case PSA damages the card. The fact that they WILL actually damage your card is pretty slim. I just like being truthful. If the card ends up grading higher than what you valued it, then that is a nice bonus. It could just as easily wind up being worth lower than what you valued it at.

Got it, thanks for your patience.

So I have a 48 Leaf Musial that I purchased a few years ago as authentic, but recently I've begun to suspect it is a reprint. If it is authentic, it's worth more than $500.

Any suggestions for that one?

Post a good scan of the Musial, the board will likely be able to tell you if it is real or not.

Bobby, when would you need these by?

Thanks
DJ

Musial scan at this thread: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...93#post1878493

Bobby, I'd like to run this by PSA anyway . Do you think it's a candidate for this submission?

Actually after looking at that scan again, it may not be a PSA 3, so not worth more than $500

Hmm...are you saying it appears to be high grade? Or is it more like a '5'? I can check value for you if need be.....do you have a scan?

Saw it...it looks to be between a '3' and a '4'. The value is a tad over $500, so you can get away with subbing that for $499 if you want to give it a go.

Anyone else?

Bobby,
Thank you for doing this; I’m gonna pass this round.

I have a few that won't qualify for your bulk subs if you can take them. How soon do you need them?

I have a few as well. I can get them in the mail Thursday. Is that too late?

10th of June.

No.

Hello, I'm a longtime member but infrequent poster. :) I may want to try and tag along if you are looking for more. I sent you a PM last night. Just need to know the details on how it works with you on a piggyback. I'm familiar with the PSA process, etc. Thanks in advance.

I'll have a few to send.

I need to know the details as well. I'm not familiar with PSA process.

Place the cards in cardsavers, mail to you with our net54 usernames, send you a PM or email listing the cards we sent and their value, paypal the payment to you.

Is that correct?

Bingo.

Fusocruiser. You didnt PM me. Can you try again>?

Thanks, Bobby. I forgot to hit send... Oops. :D

You should have it now. thanks again!

Robert Williams
PO Box 61362
Raleigh, NC 27661-1362

Include a slip of paper stating your name, return shipping addy, line items of all the cards you are submitting, with their respective values, and your net54 handle so I can contact you. You can pay once I have them in hand. It's a pretty painless process.

I'm sorry for the dumb question but don't want to mess up your sub. I was just looking at some cards to send, and ran into a 1999 UD walter payton auto. Is it ok to send insert autos with this sub? I don't care about a grade but I'd like it to be in a holder (a grade woulds be great too).


Thanks Bobby!

jim

Jim that would be OK, but they wouldn't grade the auto. They would only grade the card. They state specifically that POST 1998 cards are ok (meaning they assume the auto on the card is real, since the card was manufactured that way)

Hi Bobby,

I'm interested in this sub. Is it too late for me? I can get my cards in the mail first thing Tuesday.

Bobby,

I will try and find a few and PM you if I do.

No Ben...Tuesday is fine....

Hey Bobby, turns out I'm going to have to sit this one out. I thought I had a group of cards to sub, but the ones I have are either too low value or a bit too high. Thanks for running this again though. Any bulk subs planned soon?

The cheaper bulks I'm trying to do around once every 5 months.

Maybe you should put future submissions on hold until this scandal has worked out. This one should still go because you've already accumulated the cards. Or if you want to return them, I will cover your shipping back to their owners ungraded.

I cut n pasted this quote from another thread:

Regarding the group sub:
I'll admit I'm naive, have never submitted a card, am participating in said group submission for the first time, haven't read most of the posts regarding the current scandal...........

Check me if I'm wrong: isn't the current issue with PSA in them not detecting doctored cards? Personally, I'm submitting 5 cards, 3 of which were pulled from packs I purchased, 1 was given to me by a friend in my childhood of the 70's, and the 5th was actually purchased raw on ebay maybe 5 to 10 years ago. So, i know 3 of these weren't doctored, 1 very very highly unlikely doctored, and the 5th probably not doctored. Plus, I'm not expecting high grades on any of them.

I suppose the concern would be: PSA either goes under or loses all credibility, thus any cards in their holders loses at least partial value solely due to being in a PSA holder ?

Or is the reason the quoted post questions the group sub more along the lines of "why are folks giving money to PSA at this point in time"

Honest questions, would love to hear multiple views specific to making current submissions.

I considered not participating due to the current state, but have decided to proceed anyway based on what i wrote a couple of thoughts above.

Both reasons, tonyo.

I think this is the crux of it. The way I look at it is this. I know I am not trimming cards and adding colors. I am not turning 4's into 9's. Yes, I agree PSA has a problem with catching certain alterations. But I DO NOT think they were complicit in things the way a few others were. Am I not supposed to ever get cards graded again because of the shenanigans of a few fraudsters? Should I just leave the hobby entirely, because the whole thing is corrupt???

That would be like me not going to my gym because a few members there take steroids. I don't know. I am following all these threads with great interest. I wonder if PWCC would take a fall because of the new allegations?? Or if everything will be "business as usual". I do know the upcoming month or so should be very interesting.

If you sent any, let me know.

Ttt - last call!!!

We are logged in!

Yea!!! Now the wait begins again.

I just got an interesting email about my still using PSA to grade cards. I do not appreciate such belittlement of my opinion to still use them. I know I DO NOT TRIM/RECOLOR cards myself!!! Why should I be made hostage for a few scammers who are attempting to become millionaires due to fraud (Thanks Gary Moser!)?? As much as a select few want to belittle me, PSA cards DO INDEED SELL FOR MORE than their graded counterparts. To try and chastise honest submitters is unbecoming and not warranted.

Pretty sure they’ve already become millionaires, Bobby.

I think what you are doing is very generous and I'm hoping to get in on the next group submission of lesser value cards. It's ridiculous for anyone to be critical of you for helping "little guys" like me who don't have their own PSA accounts to get cards slabbed with the group discount.

I get it, that there is a lot of anger out there right now, but that anger should be properly directed, not vented on people who don't deserve it.

I second this. Of course, these people directing their anger won't understand our position.

Jim

+1 Keep up the good work Bobby. PSA aint goong anywhere, and you can quote me on that

Personally, I think you are doing business with criminals and I don't need a Nasty PM to tell you. Just keeping turning your head the other way...Nothing to see here. Good luck with your submissions. :cool:

Going by your train of though, isn't our own federal government "criminals"??? Maybe everyone should just leave the good ol' USA.

Very good point:D I have to agree with you there. I don't do business with them. Just have to give them 100K per year to live my life, that's all. But those are the only criminals I'm doing business with because I have too.

You on the other hand choose to do business with a known fraudulent entity. That's great for you, to each their own.

What makes them a fraud. I 100% get Moser is complicit. I even get that PWCC is complcit. All PSA has been shown to be is inept at catching alterations. They have also gotten a lot right.

If you don't think these clearly altered fakes are getting through PSA due to PWCC's incestuous relationship, you must be living in Fantasyland IMHO. I hate to burst your bubble but it's right in front of your eyes. All you have to do is just open them a little bit.

We have moved past grading on to assembly.

I think its fine to do business with them, I hope you do this again as I would like to have a few done.

I will...I've got quite a few raw as we speak.

coming soon

What?? No excitement??

"Coming soon" can mean Christmas in my house so I will wait til "Popped" :>]

They popped....waiting on Jeff to help erase the sub numbers....we dont want screwbags messing with the registry like they did in the past.

Rog that, thanks!!

bump

Wowser
 

As an EPDG collector, pretty stoked to see a solid Titus example.....but then there’s a Bird. Wowser!

Hope everyone is happy and rock on Bobby!


1 N4: QUESTIONABLE AUTHENTICITY 1948 Leaf 4 Stan Musial
1 GOOD 2 MC 1952 Topps 152 Al Evans
1 GOOD 2 1909-11 T206 Cycle ‪460 Gabby Street Catching‬
1 GOOD 2 1909-11 T206 Sweet Caporal 150/649OP Clark Griffith Portrait
1 VERY GOOD 3 1909-11 T206 Sweet Caporal 150/25 Fred Clark Pittsburgh, Holding Bat
1 VERY GOOD 3 1954 Wilson Franks Hank Sauer
1 VERY GOOD 3 1954 Bowman 65 Mickey Mantle
1 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1909 E95 Philadelphia Caramel Frank Chance
1 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1909 E95 Philadelphia Caramel Johnny Evers
1 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1910 E96 Philadelphia Caramel Joe Tinker
1 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 ‪1911 T205 Gold Border David Shean Cubs‬
1 EXCELLENT 5 1909-11 T206 Tolstoi Gabby Street Catching
1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1993 SP 279 Derek Jeter Foil
1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1952 Bowman 196 Stan Musial
1 NEAR MINT 7 1993 SP 279 Derek Jeter Foil
1 MINT 9 1980 Topps Scoring Leader Bird,Erving,Johnson
1 FAIR 1.5 1919 T213 Coupon Cigs. Type 3 Roger Bresnahan
1 GOOD+ 2.5 1909-11 T206 El Principe de Gales John Titus
1 GOOD+ 2.5 1958 Topps 62 Jim Brown
1 EXCELLENT+ 5.5 1910 E96 Philadelphia Caramel Mordecai Brown

1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1952 Bowman 196 Stan Musial

Bobby popped this out of a GAI 6 holder for me. Excited that it even got a number grade let alone crossed to a 6. Thanks Bobby!!!!!

Bird/Magic 9. Nice!

Just wondering, did you guys get hit with upcharges?

Surprisingly, no.