My exceptional PWCC pickup.
 

I am a lifetime collector and have seen this hobby evolve the last 30+ years.
To me there is no better time to collect cards. Whether it be modern or vintage. The auction marketplace is as competitive as ever. Making the limited quantity of premium eye appeal cards very special.

I am convinced these opportunities do not come up very often. I finally got one of these premium PWCC cards for my T206 personal collection. Very happy and appreciative for the opportunity to own high eye appeal cards like this. In my opinion labels by PWCC are very worthy of what they state.

+1 for the other side of the spectrum.

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Is the card so exceptional that you are reticent to show it? Scan was not included when I posted initially. I had no idea there was a sticker involved.:rolleyes::eek:

The point is not the card. It’s the good that PWCC did in getting it to him. What’s wrong with you?

(PS Wait till he finds out the card is altered)

I`m guessing it`s the 1 of 1 T206 blank front/blank back combination ?

A great looking 2.5 obviously, but then again I am sure with your experience you didn't need PWCC to tell you that.

Agreed I did not need PWCC to tell me. But the point is that I had the opportunity to own such a nice example because of companies like PWCC.

Ebay too. Thank God for them. Where would we be without ebay?

In the pit, without the pendulum?

Edit to add ->->->-> :)

I'd be working a regular desk job looking forward to death.

Agreed for eBay! Where would we be without middlemen?
Half the battle is getting these out of the woodworks and into the marketplace.
Thank god for auction houses as well.

Although the hardcore collector world would be a better place if everyone just posted on Net54 FST listings.

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I don't understand the praise for PWCC here. So they sold a nice looking 2.5. Big deal. Anyone could have done that. Is the praise for the sticker that you've already agreed is meaningless since you yourself could tell it was a nice looking 2.5? I just don't understand the point of this thread I guess. :confused:

I bought a nice looking Julius Erving rookie here off the b/s/t many years ago. I don't need a sticker to tell me it looks nice for the grade. I know it does. That is all.

Obviously anyone could sell any card at any time. My point is that PWCC consistently brings nice cards to the hobby. It’s quite frequent actually. Just like REA brings vintage memorabilia of epic proportions. This helps collectors like me. Just my opinion. Wanted to say something positive on these boards for a change. Happy Saturday all 🌞

If the front and back look like an “8”, why is it only graded a “2.5”?

This sure sounds like aNother paid announcement by Pwcc???

Martin I see you joined relatively recently. The cynical attitude some of us have towards PWCC has many years of context with which you may not be familiar unless you've been reading the site that long.

Thank God for Pwcc...If it weren’t for them there would be no nice cards in this world.

And don't forget PSA and Mastro :eek:

I like the positivity, Martin. I would make the point that it's the Consignors who choose to bring these cards to market, however, through PWCC. These are cards that are already "in the hobby", with PWCC just acting as a conduit for the sale.
Although I do kind of like the idea of PWCC staff roving around the country, raiding estate sales and Ohio attics looking for the next big find... :)

Personally, I agree that the quality of cards offered via PWCC is high. Over the last year, though, the avidity with which folks seem to be bidding on every single PWCC item is noticeable. It's been enough to discourage me from buying as much with PWCC. I'm spending far less with them now than I ever would have imagined prior. I also thought the 'HE' designation was gimmicky enough when it came out, and so now with the 3 new designations it's gone from gimmicky to mildly annoying to me. Just my two-and-a-half cents


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Thanks Peter. I always respect the opinions of everyone. Like mentioned already I wanted to say something positive here. For what I assume is most likely majority middle aged veteran collectors here on Net54 I’m surprised by the “Twitter” like divisive attitude that you see with modern social culture. I can host a TedTalk Net54 episode out of the drama here :D

So why is it only a 2.5?

PWCC is a very divisive subject, no question. I don't find the forum in general particularly divisive but I guess as a lawyer my tolerance is pretty high and sensitivity low.

Yes, often the same card after being altered or so bounced back and forth from probstein, ad nauseum

I think Frank brings up the median age to middle age on the boards otherwise we are all youngins'.

I kid Frank I kid!!!

The Value of The Sticker
 

I can now confirm that the exceptional sticker on the OP’s card more than doubles the PWCC market value. I recently purchased a similar T206 Waddell Portrait in a PSA 3.5 holder for a little more than half of the exceptionally stickered card.

I guess I’m the fool, as I don’t have a sticker to admire. Oh well, live and learn.

I was the underbidder on that card. It is simply as nice of a Rube as you will find. Very high eye appeal. Very nice pickup!

Scocs, that is the beauty of “buying the card and not the holder”.
Sometimes there are anomalies that none of us can decipher. In fact i’d pay good money to have a PSA grader sit down with me and explain these scenarios.

I am sure it has a surface wrinkle somewhere. PWCC's scans/pics don't make wrinkles evident sometimes -- I know someone who has an amazing example of this but he hasn't posted it.

I also don't understand why it's only a 2.5 it looks to be in amazing condition!

Thanks. The interesting part of this is that neither of us probably cared about comparable grade pricing. Believe me I had analyzed VCP of this card. I threw it out the window and bought the card based on my own valuation. Who knew we were so similar in our guess. In this case two educated Net54 guys let the card and not the sticker do the influencing.

Frank I’d love to see your example. I’m happy you picked up a nicer copy.

I wonder if Purple Label would sticker it also...

I went to the specific eBay listing. Here is the reason for the (much) lower grade:

“exceedingly light, horizontal front surface wrinkle keeps from grading higher.”

That must be some wrinkle that I still couldn’t see on their nice large eBay scans.

Thanks Jason. In this scenario I like the old saying “don’t hate the player, hate the game”. If these consigners would just post on net54 “fst” (thanks Frank) I wouldn’t lose sleep with PWCC guilt. :D
But honestly I like PWCC.

I can confirm it’s only visible under a certain angle and I’d guess impossible to pick up on a scan or photo. Still... not sure it would justify a 2.5. But I’ll take it all day.

Did you like the altered 52T Mantle with no disclosure?

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=268541


https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1290614

I followed the discussion on all the usual platforms. It appears PWCC fully acknowledged the potential changes that card has gone through. Not sure if the buyer knows anything with all the exposure and talk. Will be interesting to see if they ever come forward. Otherwise the card stays in PC until the next episode.

As a collector I stay in my lane. But I’m experienced enough to realize this is bigger than social media exposure and pressure to do the right thing by PWCC. To me the end game is with PSA. They will forever be liable for every single graded card out in circulation. It is the nature of their business right? The big question is will PSA do the right thing? I am almost willing to bet my bottom dollar if the new owner lawyered up they could bring a good case against PSA’s grade guarantee policy and come out with some 💵

PWCC refused to disclose anything in their auction description, despite clear evidence the card was altered, and offered a whole slew of nonsense to justify it. That, to me, is the takeaway from the fiasco. I can't spin it any other way, sorry.

I'm sure all blind collectors appreciate PWCC's labeling. Perhaps they can expand the service to dating apps.

Very nice pickup.

Do their stickers have Braille? Because I think the blind would appreciate knowing that their graded card has extreme eye appeal.

Brian (noted for coming up with insensitive but genius level ideas...and a PWCC dating app. Why didn't I think of that?)

Is there a legitimate purpose to this thread other than the counter all the negative pwcc threads lately? Why couldn’t this pick up been posted in the pick up thread? Pwcc isn’t the only company with ‘quality’ cards. I get like three catalogs a month filled with them from auction companies.

Just my 2 cents - I think novice collectors hear the "Buy the Card - Not the Holder" schpiel over and over and over. I don't think that it sets in tho until much later down the "collecting" path after carefully studying many cards in hand. I know it took me a long time to get that thru my head.

I would suspect that many untrained eyes would automatically speculate this T206 as at least a 7 were it not already in a holder. My 1st glance at this card was a "wow" and then I automatically assumed "crease" because of the holder.

PWCC's target customer consists of way more than us on the boards and as such I don't think their "HE" designations (or whatever else) is necessarily such a bad thing.

Define “legitimate” first.

Thank god for all these guys who run auction houses. Some of them deserve sainthood. Except for the obvious criminals of course.

I would recommend not going to the blowout forums as the happiness
and positive attitude might take a big blow. It did for me. The truth
can sting sometimes.

But hey congrats on the pickup.

Nice card - glad you are happy with your purchase.

Was that so hard?

Yeah... PWCC is developing quite the reputation for bringing very high eye appealing cards to market... both vintage and modern... it’s unfortunate the reason they look so good is that so many of these cards have been altered and there is an amazing paper trail that is being left behind... seems it all started about two years ago with that SGC 50 DiMaggio... and now we are having the broader conservation discussion... hmmm...


https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...290614&page=28

The link above will show some other nice eye appeal cards with those stickers attached... and then it also shows the before “conservation” image...

Dude, they sell altered cards...in TPG holders. Praising PWCC is like praising a pusher for selling the best smack. But the stickers are nice, if you are a six-year-old girl who got through her visit to the dentist without crying. Perhaps they should be unicorns, trolls and My Little Pony. As a grown man, do you really need a sticker to validate your decisions? Does your wife slap one on your heinie when you do a particularly good job in the sack? Mine does...haven't seen a sticker in a while.

But I digress. Maybe all is well with PWCC. After all, not every card they sell is altered, just a lot of them. Maybe the Rube has't been worked over and is just a really nice card for the grade. I sincerely hope that is the case. After all, even a broken clock is right twice a day. As for me, I will limit my buying to Probstein: they're too lazy and incompetent to 'conserve' cards.

"Praising PWCC is like praising a pusher for selling the best smack."

HOF line.

How would you feel when you do an ounce of research and see it was a clean up, pressed out PSA 1....

That had good eye appeal?

If that were the case I would feel like PSA should address my concerns.
To all the doubters I say this out of experience because I’ve seen it a lot. Auction houses almost always stand behind the TPG. All day everyday twice on mother’s day.

Ted, let me ask you a question as well. What if you find out that one of your 1952 Topps autographed card were forged? Or god forbid many of them turn out to be forged.
Would you hold the original sellers responsible (because surely some of them probably knew) or the authenticator? I would mostly be upset by the TPG because they have a “sophisticated” multi million dollar operation authenticating. Can a TPG prove they truly have the tools and qualifications to be in this business?

David, no legitimate purpose other than to take a stance that there are Net54 members who do purchase from PWCC and are comfortable with it.
I’m willing to bet many members here just stay quiet about it because of the social justice warriors turned hobby police is in full force harassing anyone with differing opinions as if this were an Antifa rally.

If there is anything guaranteed in this world it is a good old internet tough guy. It goes back to the beginning of the internet. :rolleyes:

If I had bought it from a seller who knowingly didnt disclose it, or had a past history of selling questionable cards, I certainly wouldn't post about my "exceptional experience "

As far as a refund, I'd go to the seller first, and let them argue with the TPG, and see who was willing to stand behind it.

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Think its a gorgeous card ,,congrats

Been saying the same thing. Most of the regular contributors to this forum
are skilled enough to operate without assistance....but they only make up
a small percentage of the collecting public. The rest of the wold may need
helping hand/eye.

While I understand you advocating going back to the TPG for responsibility. Do you really feel a company who is unintentionally failing is more culpable then one that is deliberately misleading customers?

That's a very gentle description of what appears to be going down.

+1 — like don’t blame the criminals, blame the system that doesn’t catch them.

There are definitely loads of internet tough guys on card forums.

I have had nothing but positive dealings with PWCC. Every transaction was first class.

People can pretend all they want but most of us simply can't not bid on cards in their auctions if we want to keep moving our collections forward. It is what it is. So much of the best material ends up there.

A light surface wrinkle. PSA is going nuts downgrading due to any slight imperfections these days.

Unless the surface wrinkle ain’t so little

Some surface wrinkles are more exceptional than others.:eek:

Bingo! This ones got the variety that’s impossible to pickup on a scan or photo. Thank god for the sticker that told me so. :D thanks for the laughs Frank

I sold this card recently. You could barely see the wrinkle in the scan, so I took a pic at an angle to show it properly. It can be done.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=267130

As far as I can recall, this is the only card that I have won in a PWCC auction. The first image is an EBay listing image. The second is an image I took when I received the card. Needless to say, the card was returned. I can live without PWCC.

resized Jay's second pic to show wrinkles

lolol

Looks like a classic candidate for crease removal, which is often temporary, and they can come back with a vengeance.

What was the card graded?

To the OP, that's a beautiful card, congrats. I'm not in the T-206 market, but when I see PWCC, there is that seed of doubt that exists in their items for me.

The good doctor must have been busy that week.

I think in the case of Jay's card it was just that the scan did not really show the wrinkles or certainly the extent of them.

YES I KNOW...creative scanning instead. I like you go out of my way to show defects...but I rarely sell...not that that should matter!

Damn I need their scanner. Mine shows all the defects.

C'mon Pete, you can't expect a high-volume seller like PWCC to describe or accurately scan every obscure card like Jay's '33 Goudey Babe Ruth. That takes away from valuable sticker stickin' time.

Stick it in the vault, and nobody will be the wiser

Is that a land of the lost reference?

I tried to scan and take quality photos from all angles. Ultimately unsuccessful in capturing the minor surface wrinkle.

Martin, don't worry about it....Move on....This is your card, forget the piranhas....