Not the only Hall of Fame getting Watered Down
 

Janice Jackson, The Cure, Def Leppard, Stevie Nicks, Radiohead, Roxy Music and the Zombies are the 2019 Class for the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame.


The Cure is the Harold Baines of......well you get it.


and what the HELL is Roxy Music??????


Who's next.....White Lion, Dexys Midnight Runners, Billy Ray Cyrus.

I have to say when I heard that earlier, I thought about the HOF discussion going on here.

Seems like the RRHOF is as watered down as one can get. Forget 3,000 hits, you only need a couple of hits to get into the RRHOF.

"Losing" nominees included John Prine, MC5 and Todd Rundgren.

Pat Benatar somehow doesn't even get nominated:

https://www.niagara-gazette.com/news...726d727ee.html

was talking about pat benatar at work today...we all assumed she was in...certainly should be!!!!

Ha. It took Rush, Moody Blues, and Yes years to get into RRHOF and now they let these in? Plus the RRHOF seems to be admitting pretty much anyone even peripherally related to RR. Last year or so was Nina Simone. Not in any way takjng away from her recognition, but she was not a RR artist. R&B, Soul, and Blues might all be better descriptors. Perhaps a separate HOF for those artists is needed.

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Deep Purple
 

It took Deep Purple years to get in...it's a joke....

The very notion of a "Hall of Fame" for an art with hundreds of genres is so ******* stupid. I'm into mostly britpop/indie, punk, post-punk, etc. Absolutely hate 1970s rock music. Many people are just the opposite. Sports halls of fame are based on interpretation of hard numbers. Music is quite the opposite. By the way, The Cure and The Zombies are awesome.

Roxy Music is one of my top 5 bands of all time. Where Brian Eno cut his teeth, and they had a string of four or five flawless albums in the 70s. They've deserved induction for a long time.

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and what the HELL is Roxy Music??????



If you don't know who Roxy Music is, you probably shouldn't be commenting about rock music at all. :)

I agree the RRHOF is getting watered down . I can never recall when their class had less than 5 inductees. After awhile you'll get watered down doing that because there can only be so many worthy people to induct until you start inducting peripheral artists and associated groups, singers , etc...

Any Hall of Fame without The Smiths is not worthy to stand.

Come on now, The Cure was one of the most preeminent bands of the new wave era and they have a huge amount of great material.

Robert Smith was featured on South Park some time way back when. Cracked me up:
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...A&&FORM=VRDGAR

"Disintegration is the best album ever..."

Is Harold Baines in the Rock & Roll HOF yet?

He had a few hits.

In 2005, Tim de Lisle of The Guardian argued that Roxy Music are the second most influential British band after the Beatles. He wrote, "Somehow, in a landscape dominated by Led Zeppelin at one end and the Osmonds at the other, they managed to reach the Top 10 with a heady mixture of futurism, retro rock'n'roll, camp, funny noises, silly outfits, art techniques, film references and oboe solos. And although their popularity has ebbed and flowed, their influence has been strikingly consistent."[9]

Madness are among the artists that have cited Roxy Music as an influence.[47] They paid tribute to Bryan Ferry in the song "4BF" (the title is a reference to the song "2HB", itself a tribute to Humphrey Bogart from the first Roxy Music album).

In 1997, John Taylor of Duran Duran produced the tribute album Dream Home Heartaches... Remaking/Remodeling Roxy Music. The compilation features Taylor as well as Dave Gahan (Depeche Mode) and Low Pop Suicide, among others.

The earliest incarnation of the band that would eventually become Sex Pistols was called The Strand, after "Do The Strand", the opening song from Roxy Music's second album, For Your Pleasure.

The electronic band Ladytron took their name from the title of a song from Roxy Music's debut album.[48]

An antagonist character in the videogame Final Fight named Roxy (a female acrobatic fighter) is named after the band, as well as other enemy characters in the game that pay homage to someone or something related to music, like her identical partner Poison.

These are just some of the credits and influences Roxy Music had on the music world. They are a European band more than anything else, and therefore not always as well known or recognized in the U.S. Roxy Music deserves to be in the RRHOF for their album covers alone!!!!!!!

Now if the Rock Hall could only get their you-know-what together and look at Hawkwind also, then you'd get some more respect!

I thought the same exact thing when I heard who got in this year. There is pressure for any HOF to keep inducting new members on a yearly basis. That's their biggest event of the year, so as time passes the list of inductees gets watered down. I'm not a big fan of any Hall of Fame. Come on folks, Def Leppard?

Amen! BOB C


QUOTE=BobC;1835712]and what the HELL is Roxy Music??????



If you don't know who Roxy Music is, you probably shouldn't be commenting about rock music at all. :)[/QUOTE]

They have a top 100 best-selling album of all time. Def Leppard has outsold Stevie Wonder, the Who, David Bowie, and the Beach Boys. Like it or not, they probably belong. The problem is, music is more opinion beyond the sales numbers. I can't stand Jay-Z, but he's sold a ton of music and made millions. The Baseball HOF can lean on statistics, but it still has a number of people inducted because of popularity.

And you didn't even mention Brian Eno and his influence on David Bowie, Talking Heads and U2's music among many others.

Not one of my top 5, but I think they should be in. Don't forget about Bryan Ferry.

It's really not a R&R HOF. It's a MUSIC HOF. R&R, R&B, c-RAP, etc are all genres represented.

For those of you waiting for the Todd Rundgrens and Pat Benetars (and others) to be enshrined, perhaps you'll have to wait for the RRHOF Veterans Committee to meet and give them their due entry.

What about Tit Wrench... :p

Shouldn't have to, but you're right. Used to stay up late nights and listen to songs of theirs here in Cleveland on the then progressive FM station WMMS, long before they ever made it big. And again, just check out the album covers!!!!!

I am also excited about Roxy getting in because I feel like a lot of folks are now going to check them out, and get to experience them for the first time, beyond Love is the Drug or More Than This. Bryan Ferry is a treasure as a singer (a voice on another spiritual plane) and songwriter (does it get any better than Mother of Pearl?). He's been making magic happen for a very long time, glad to see him getting his due stateside.

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Mother of Pearl is one of my all-time favorite songs, couldn't agree more. And Both Ends Burning is also one great tune, amongst all the others.

Now like I mentioned before, they need to start looking at Hawkwind for induction!!!!

Watered down
 

No one has mentioned the fact that concept of halls of fame itself is being watered down. The Mascot Hall of Fame will open soon in Whiting, IN.

Who should be the inaugural (that means first) class?

Bernie Brewer?

Dartmouth’s Keggy the Keg?


http://mascothalloffame.com

One of my best ever "random music pickups" (as I like to call them) was grabbing Bryan Ferry/Roxy Music “Street Life” 20 Greatest Hits in a discount bin in the 90's. Like everyone else, I knew the hits from the "Avalon" album and a couple of other things, but songs like "Oh Yeah (On The Radio)" and "Over You" were new to me and jumped right out.

(For anybody who cares, two others great random pickups were Alice in Chains "Nothing Safe: Best Of The Box" and The Alarm's EP "Electric Folklore Live.")

I'd take the Cure over Harold Baines.

Absolutely Deserving
 

+1

how 'bout Ike Turner :(


sorry...had to...



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Janet Jackson? Really? Over Pat Benetar? Really?

Is there a GAR algorithm (Groups Against Replacement), so we can compare across genres? Or is it a alg:prhythm. I get so messed up with it all.

When Madonna gets in before Rush, YES and the Moody Blues, do you really need more proof how stupid the RRHOF is?

If you're not familiar with Roxy Music, it's worth checking them out. They were a great band. Saw Brian Ferry in concert around 2000, and he put on a great show.

Saw Rush in a local Cleveland bar back in '74 I believe. Definitely belong in the hall.

My thoughts exactly and I've thought this for years. Way too many good/deserving bands that aren't in yet but other, far less deserving ones are. :mad:

Truthfully, I pay very little attention to the RHOF anymore nor do I follow who is getting in.
That was all lost when I heard about Madonna and yet bands like Jethro Tull, The Scorpions, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, T Rex, Pat Benatar to name a few, haven't even been considered yet.

John Prine is an amazing artist and songwriter who has influenced more bands/artists than we'll ever know. Snubbing him only proves, once again, they have no idea what they are doing.

The RHOF is nothing but a joke, imo.

The San Diego Chicken..............

Wow. So wrong in so many ways. To each their own, but I would say that the late 60's and most of the 70's owned rock. For the most part, with some exceptions, I think the 80's and 90"s are a musical wasteland in that regard. I can't comment beyond that because I don't willingly listen to that stuff. Also disagree with your interpretation of what sports hofs are, or should be. There is much more to it than that IMO.

The Cure and Roxy Music are both very deserving IMHO. I agree that it has become more of a Pop Music HOF than and RnR HOF though.

Dammmit, I love Nina Simone :)


But your point is taken.

I'm a metalhead, and I don't understand how Def Leppard made it. I saw them open for Blackfoot.

And Bon Jovi? Ugh.

And fucking Radiohead? Seriously?

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the "Guess Who" and "Tommy James" are in the Hall of Fame and they had several hits.

Slim Whitman must be in the Hall of Fame, the advertisements stated he sold more records than The Beatles.

Tommy James and the Shondells had two number one hits and 14 top 40 hits, and they're not in the hall. They've also had a number of their songs covered including Billy Idol's Mony Mony, and Joan Jett Crimson in Clover. If that's not enough, then take a listen to Draggin the Line while driving with the top down in summer, and try to tell me that it's not one of the greatest songs of all time. Damn, I'm up way too early drinking coffee. LOL

Hysteria. That album was HUGE. I believe that tour they played 2 nights in pretty much every city.

I'm a cranky old-timer. Give me Jefferson Airplane or Buffalo Springfield and I'm a happy camper. Forget anything post-1970. I want the Sixties!!

The fact that KISS had to wait 20 years to get in proves what a joke the R&R HOF is. The only time I have ever been disappointed with Gene and Paul are when they accepted the nomination. I wanted them to give the R&R HOF the Johnny Rotten treatment.

The Cure are awesome, and very deserving.

New Order & Depeche Mode should be there too.

The above, are all very prolific, and incredibly influential bands. All of which have been making albums for almost 40 years.


PS...

Whether you agree with Ice Cube or not...this was a pretty powerful statement...

"Rock & roll is not an instrument; rock & roll is not even a style of music. Rock & roll is a spirit. … It's been going since the blues, jazz, bebop, soul, R&B, rock & roll, heavy metal, punk rock and, yes, hip-hop. And what connects us all is that spirit. …Rock & roll is not conforming to the people who came before you, but creating your own path in music and in life."

-Ice Cube, during N.W.A.'s 2016 Rock Hall induction acceptance speech

+1 to Buffalo Springfield. And I saw Jefferson Starship Introducing Grace Slick, at the Hollywood Bowl Amphitheater. That might have been the best concert I have ever seen next to REO Speedwagon in Anaheim in 1980. And Jethro Tull, what an artist!!

I'm more an Airplane fan than a Starship one, probably a reflection of our age difference.:)

But they "introduced" Grace and all of them gave an unforgettable performance. Of course it didn't hurt that I was in the right state of mind for White Rabbit :).

Problem with RNR HOF is there is no real definition of Rock and Roll. I have my definition and you have yours. I certainly wouldn't put someone like Janet Jackson in a million years in the RNR Hall of Fame. Or Michael Jackson for that matter. Soul, R&B, whatever but certainly not rock and roll.

+1....don't forget The Smiths

Just one man's opinion. Rock was at its most creative in the late 50s and culminated with the British Invasion. With few exceptions (Hendrix), mainstream rock became so boring as the decades went along. Thankfully, in response to the mainstream, there is always a creative underground to help move things forward. Unfortunately, such subcultures are seldom represented in such a "Hall of Fame." Roxy Music is great.

Indeed.
The R&R HOF is a joke. Roxy Music ... not so much.
To me, it's a pretty decent museum. Even it doesn't seem to take the physical "Hall" seriously.

I'm signing on with a ditto to everyone on your snub list.

I agree with that a 100%! Madonna, Janet Jackson and many others are not R&R, imo.

Not that I disagree that they aren't deserving of some type of honor, its just that the R&R HOF isn't the place for them.

White Rabbit is all about that state of mind.:)

You can insult my mom, or my kids, or my wife, and no hard feelings, but don't you ever talk about Radiohead that way. You've just made a moderately powerful enemy.

So, does Charlie the Tuna qualify as a Mascot - if so, he’s definately in. Or is
he more of a spokesfish?

I'm a Cure fan, but, to be honest, it makes no difference to me if they are in a Hall or not. They were an alternative band. Being elected members of a Hall of Fame would be totally against what was the intent and philosophy of an anti-establishment band like the Sex Pistols. And if you've ever heard an interview of Robert Smith, you'd know he'd be the first to scoff at the idea of being elected to a music Hall of Fame. You should hear what he said about the British Royalty and Royal titles when someone asked if he would ever be knighted.

But, if there is a deserving band, Roxy Music would be one. I'm surprised there's a debate about that and was surprised to learn they weren't already elected.

But, to each his own, and, as they say, art is in the eye of the beholder.

Personally, I see the merits of a Rock and Roll museum, but an elected Rock and Roll "Hall of Fame" always seemed like a dumb idea on its very face to me. No doubt it was concocted at least in part to make money (sell tickets). Thus, whether or not my favorite bands are members of a dumb idea makes no difference to me. In fact, if I had to choose, I'd prefer they not be members.

But yes, I also saw the point (and humor) of the initial post that the first wave included bands such as The Beatles, The Rolling Stones and Elvis Presley, and now its The Cure and Def Leppard. Whether or not I am a fan of The Cure and Roxy Music, I won't argue that it appears that they running low on bands. It may become a common running joke after a few more elections. Someone in Cleveland may be trying to figure out how they can elect The Beatles and Elvis a second time.

One problem with many Halls of Fame, including MLB and Rock and Roll, is they feel compelled to elect someone each year no matter what. But they won't do that because the inductions are money making events. It would of course be refreshing if the Baseball or Rock HOF, or Nobel Prize committee, would occasionally say "Sorry, no one deserving this year." But the Cleveland and Cooperstown Chamber of Commerce wouldn't like that. After retirement, Mickey Mantle said he became wary of awards because he deduced that most of them were attempts to get him to attend their dinner or event.

+1,000,000

Who is Janice Jackson??? Lol!
Instead of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, they should just rename it to the Music Hall of Fame or something more generic. I don't have a problem with some of these influential artists going in as their music may have meant so much to a certain generation or group of people. We aren't going to like or agree with all of them but we all have individual tastes, and that's ok. There was no legit reason for it to take so long for Rush or the Moody Blues to get in....two of my favorite bands and no arguing that they are legends in the industry.
Was in Cleveland for one of the Nationals and stopped by. Very interesting place with a lot of cool stuff. I don't think it is still there, but there was a reggae museum in Long Beach at one time down by the Queen Mary. Checked that out and was interviewed by some Jamaican music reporters. That was an amazing eye opening experience. First that I realized how political Bob Marley actually was. I'm sure they scrubbed my interview. Pretty sure I sounded like an idiot!!

It's not a true RRHoF until Rick Springfield can get in without paying ! lol :D

The Hall of Fame in Cooperstown is Mt. Rushmore, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland is just a rocky (pun intended) hill. Musical tastes are completely individual and run the gamut from yodelers to death metal. There's never going to be any sort of consensus as to whom or what deserves to be honored in a Hall of Fame celebrating sounds. (There are a heckuva lot of bands, singers, etc., in this thread alone that make me think, "Who would ever listen to them??!!," but that's life, whatever floats your boat.)
Cleveland should probably be more accurately called 'The Hall of Musical Appreciation,' and then a lot of the contention would abate.

Warren Zevon has no prayer.

Whoops....at least I got The Cured, Roxie Muzak and Deaf Leppard correct.

I went to the RRHOF last year on vacation and was very disappointed. It was neat, but there is so much actual Rock and roll missing while other genres fill rooms. The fact that Iron Maiden, who has influenced so many, and sold 90 million albums with little to know air play has never even been on the ballot is telling. Stevie nicks gets in for the second time, wile Pat Benatar is left off the ballot. And i dont listen to rap, but since they do allow it in there, it is a travesty that LL cool J Has been snubbed by the voters. he was one of the first rap solo artists, has been doing it since 1983, and still does. he is still relevant 35 years later. He has received the Kennedy Center Honors. Public Enemy is in, The Beastie boys are in, Run DMC is in, NWA and Tupac are in. There is only one of the Originals missing and that is LL.

Having a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is like having a Food Hall of Fame. Even if the hot dog or jello or baked Alaska is elected, what is the point and significance, including to the food and the fan of the food? Is a hot dog better because it's a member of the Food Hall of Fame? A Hall of Fame is a bizarre metric.

If you judge or justify the music of The Beatles or Madonna or (fill in the blank) based on whether they are in a private for-profit Hall of Fame, I'd say you have a strange view of music that I can't relate to. To me, a band being a member of the Hall of Fame has nothing to do with nothing.

Duly note that I like bands that both are in and will never ever be in the "Hall," from The Beatles and Led Zeppelin to Discharge and The Television Personalities ("Who?").

Indeed. That is the only possible way you can understand it.

I started a thread in the post-war water cooler section for anyone looking to post play lists/songs they love, but other people may not be aware of. Like a clueless jeweler, check it out if you got some gems you want to freely share.

Early Pearl Jam




THEE Best jam session/concert/tv show whatever EVER!!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TdeNbKeXAw


Eddie with the backwards baseball hat was the shiznit!




.....and THEE best version of ALIVE!





actually every frickin' song is a HOME RUN! and not a cheap one in the lot.

Eddie Vedder lives in my neighborhood, and Pearl Jam recorded their 1995 live album (Live at Easystreet) at the record store/cafe a block and a half from my home.

Television Personalities are great!

My art theory professor said I was a natural theorist, because, unlike most of his other students, I was able to move beyond whether or not I liked the artwork in question.

For example, I'm no Madonna fan, but she clearly belongs in the Hall of Fame.

Though I would change the name of the Hall to the Popular (Pop) Music Hall of Fame, or Popular Rock Hall of Fame, because they are clearly dealing with commercially successful and popular bands. There is lots of great music outside of the Top 40, but that's not what this museum is about. It's a commercial endever, like a museum park. Which is fine, I guess. I have nothing against tourist attractions and museum parks. I like cotton candy.

Agree with this except the cotton candy part.

One big album does not a fall of fame career make.

Among those in the metal / hard rock world who should get in before Leppard are : Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Scorpions, Thin Lizzy, and Ronnie James Dio.

And Slayer. Proniounced Slaaayyyyaaahhhhh!!!!!!

And Devo.

Your mom, kids and wife are all less boring live than Radiohead. The best thing they ever did was their cover of Beck's "Loser".

Nice to see Thin Lizzy mentioned.

And what’s the point, if Devo isn’t even in!!!

“I Think We’re Alone Now” is one of my all time favorites

It's pronounced:

"SLAYER...SLAYER....SLAYER...SLAYER"


SLAYER RULES!!!!!!!

Hopefully, next year The Archies will get in:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h9nE2spOw_o

I talked with Ron Dante (lead singing voice) in New Jersey in October. He also produced all of Barry Manilow's hits. He still does oldies shows and cruises.

'Sugar, Sugar' is on my personal top 500.