Another high end sticker -- "PC"??
 

An image someone sent me from the show.

I'm afraid to ask -- what's the PC stand for? "I really need to move this trimmed, off center card at 2x its value because I'm having a family emergency"?

Perfect Centering?

Premium centering!

I'm going to guess Premium Card, but you might be right...

I think that's it.

Premium Cost?
Premium Charge?

Picky Customer?

Pirate. Clemente.


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Priced Crazily?

At least the fourth entrant in this space, right? The purple thing, and two different ones by PWCC, HE and PQ.

Maybe you can get multiple ones on the same card, so that slabs will resemble military uniforms with the multiple decorations.

Or NASCAR vehicles...

This whole sticker-on-a-slab craze is really getting out of control. Would someone get the computer-generated grading up and running please. Not sure how much more of this insanity I can take. I might have to go back to collecting beanie babies.

Penis Circumcised

pretty creative
poor choice though

Monetize the slab. Sell ad space.

lololol

I checked and it's :
 

[QUOTE=AGuinness;1800519]Pirate. Clemente.


.....From the private collection of Pablo s. Cobar.....

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LMAO... you just made me spit out my breast milk.

Page a Cutter

Possibly Correct?

Brian

petty commentary:D

Trimmed...or recolored border?

Problem Corrected

Petty Crime

It's the new "cause of death" sticker.
Plane Crash.

That sounds a little harsh. I am not sure what the PC stands for either but the card looks nicely centered to me with no obvious signs of being altered.

"Premier collector" which is a step up from "advanced collector"

Advanced collector -- HATE that term so much lol. Always said with reverence.

Pretty Close, as in Almost an 8 .

Personal Choice...indicating of course that all grading is subjective.

Brian

PC sticker indicates the card worthy of the most Persnickety Collector.

Brian

Premium Cuality

PC = BS marketing scam, buyer beware.

Nice little disclaimer at the bottom as well. Happy to charge extra $ but they’re not professionals

So who is issuing the stickers?

Thanks, but I (and probably everyone reading this) am perfectly capable of determining if a card is centered or not. I don’t need a sticker busying up my holder.

Is the sticker put on by a third party grader, or by the dealer himself?

Pretty Cheesy.

I had thought it was a particular dealer, but now I am not sure.

So then it's kind of a boutique sticker, not an objective assessment by a third party but a marketing tool to be able to charge a little more.

I got a sneak peak at the proposed new PSA flip...

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Either way it's a marketing tool.

I only object to the STP sticker partially covering Roberto's face, otherwise I am gung-ho in favor of corporate 3rd party branding/grading.

Brian

Just another way to create a Pricing Calamity...

Pc sticker
 

I saw them on cards at one table and it was many of their cards. I found it ironic that just about every card they owned qualifies for the sticker. Now they did have some very nice cards, but come on not all deserve a positive qualifier, as they called it Otherwise it kind of becomes irrelevant. These stickers seem silly to me. I don’t mind paying over vcp for a card I want that I feel exhibits stronger qualities but I don’t need an ugly sticker hampering the looks and trying to sway my opinion. Buy the card not the holder or the hype stickers. At least the purple LabelGuy seems to be offering the service to The public and not just cards he sells, unlike the others using this silliness.

It's just a matter of time before we start seeing QRCs on flips, so we can scan them with our phones and go directly to their websites to be marketed to some more. I'm actually shocked I haven't seen it yet.

I have bought from Brady and Jeff before. Every card I have gotten was dead centered, and would have been worthy of a pristine centering sticker. I wouldn't be surprised if they could add a sticker to 80 or 90% of their inventory.

Exactly. I know he brands this, and I happen to also know the guy knows a bit about branding. Love it or hate it, if there are 4 guys tryng to do this, I have a feeling this one may survive, given the real world experience he has with branding. I mean its only natural that things evolve to this point and they will continue to evolve further. I mean BVG has, what, 4 tiered grades and a final grade on a card?

On a side note I saw his cards I think 2 years ago and said “this one isnt centered like u usually do” and he said “it’s not mine. I am selling it for a friend”

He doesnt price cheap, but his stuff is quality and he is good at buying the card not the grade, and it kind of bums me out that he is so good at that because we collect the same stuff. He just plays in a higher stratosphere.

Not saying he doesn’t have nice cards
 

Then why the we aren’t professionals disclaimer and why not offer the service to the public? It’s a gimmic in my honest opinion and have buyers become so lazy they can’t make any determinations on their own anymore? I think the service may have value if it were done independently by a third party but honestly lacks impartiality when doing it to your own cards.

This is all a marketing move. When one does it others will follow. Some Sellers are trying to stretch every single cent out of each and every card. IMO other then greed which is prob 75% of it, Some do this because they have it in their heads that vest pocket dealers/resellers/eBay Guys whatever dealers want to call them come to the shows looking to buy cards that are Undergraded looking for a crack and higher grade. Dealers know what some are doing so they put this PC sticker on said item. Again it’s their privy and who really cares. We are are all smart here and know what we like and what to look for. When I hear comments from sellers stating this the nicest centered 7 you’re gonna see I say to myself then why isn’t it a 7.5 or 8. It’s all BS to try and market their cards to what they believe is more effective. Just my observations from being around a long time. If I let little crap like PC stickers bother bother me I’d lose my mind.

Hate on the stickers all you want, but this was one of my favorite tables at the National! Some gorgeous post war cards 👌🏼👌🏼

Yes but I imagine it would have been one of your favorites without the stickers as well.

As the great lyric from Gypsy goes,
You gotta get a gimmick, if you want to get ahead.

Jeff has always had very nice cards that are high end for the grade. I have some. I am surprised he went this direction, but perhaps after the show he will explain his thinking.

:):)

True 🙂 but I just don’t see the point in complaining about the stickers.

Because the stickers make the entire package of the graded card look tacky and stupid. I hate it when dealers put price stickers on the slabs that leave a residue when I take them off. If the sticker comes off easily then I don't care at all.

I asked Jeff about this and he said they're using the stickers to encourage PSA to add a positive qualifier for elite centering. It sounds like a good idea to me. It did not sound like they're trying to start a new service or business like those purple stickers.

They want a positive qualifier for the most readily observable visual characteristic of a card...

PSA is not going to do subgrades like Beckett, in my opinion. Why does Jeff need to sticker his own cards if he wants to encourage PSA to make a change, he could simply communicate with them? If the goal is to show they sell for more, without a control (same card, no sticker), and a relatively low volume of cards, I don't think it would prove anything.

Well PSA might actually get interested now that I come to think of it, as it would be yet another opportunity for regrading. Half Points, Slab Changes etc have all been big money makers for PSA.

I can see it now. 8E (for ELITE centering). LOL.

Maybe I'm just a little slow. But it seems centering is probably the easiest characteristic to determine with a grade. No magnification is necessary. Do I need a sticker to tell me a card has great centering? Nope. I just don't find it helpful at all. I get that centering seems to have overtaken corners as what's most important for the hobby. But the sticker isnt telling me something I cant already see with my own two eyes.

If the stickers get a positive reaction st a show that PSA is set up at it could certainly help their case. As someone who primarily collects centiered cards I am in favor of this idea. I dont need a sticker or qualifier to tell me a card is centered. But it is always a little nerve racking sending a card to auction that I paid a big premium for because of centering. Adding the centering qualifier could help set a more standard premium.

And I think it would be an 8C, not an 8E.

So what's your cutoff for the "C"? And what do they use to measure it? Do you want every stupid modern 10 to have a C after it, or only cards before a certain year? Etc.

I’ve bought many cards from Jeff and Brady over the years. I’ve paid a strong premium for every single one, but every price was well worth it for the quality. These two guys have been buying and selling cards that look outstanding for the grade for years, and it’s heavily influenced my collecting habits. Is their PC sticker a “gimmick” designed to command higher prices? Is it motivated by greed? No and no. Neither of these dudes are paying their mortgage from sales of baseball cards. They are not trying to squeeze an extra 5% profit with these stickers.

As Jesse has articulated, my sense is they are simply trying to bring attention to the fact that centered cards are commanding huge premiums in the market place, and perhaps it would benefit the TPGs to take notice and adjust their grading policies to keep up with the reality in the marketplace. Do I personally like any stickers on my holders? No, I do not. I crave simplicity and cleanliness. But I do support the bigger idea of the TPGs recognizing true eye appeal more than they currently do.

I don't understand the logic that the grading companies need to change because centered cards are realizing a premium. The grade is the grade.

I don't follow it either. The centering is patently obvious from a scan, or personal inspection. And Beckett already gives subgrades for centering, at least for BGS grades, does anyone really care?

This is one major reason PSA already went to half-grades: to recognize elite centering representative of higher grades. This sticker is gaudy, gimmicky, and a waste of time.
Claiming they want PSA to better notate centered cards makes me think they don't already understand PSA does that. I don't like any of the add-on stickers, FWIW.

One man's elite centering is another man's eyesore. There are guys here who would have a breakdown if you put a 53 47 card in their collection haha. But while PSA grades can include a range of centering, again, anyone can see with their own eyes what the centering is. I don't think we need a sticker or qualifier or subgrade or whatever.

So the way to call attention to the huge prices centered cards command is to put a sticker on them and then charge a huge price? Something about that doesn't sit right.

My bad. You guys are right. The current grading protocols represent the pinnacle of perfection, and they should not be questioned.

If anything, from a purely personal standpoint, if positive qualifiers existed, there might be less incredulity expressed when someone pays the same price for a perfectly centered 4 as they would for a crappy 6.

It seems to me the market can take care of itself, without additional input from TPGs. If people want to charge and pay premiums for centered cards, they have been doing so and can continue.

Sam would you only put the C on a 50 50 card? 51 49? Where do you draw the line? Vintage only or all cards?

Collectors like myself and Sam are already paying big premium for centered cards. That won't change with or without the PC sticker. But these stickers or a positive psa qualifier might bring in bigger bids and offers from those who might not ordinarily make them. The qualifier could also bring in the same from the registry guys if bonus points are awarded.

Yeah, circular arguments never sit right.

The stickers don’t command the higher price. Consumers are already paying the high price for premium centering. Perhaps there should be recognition of the factors driving huge swings in price for the same grade. I’m not defending the stickers, as I don’t care for them, but I believe there’s merit in the recognition of eye appeal.

And yes, I know Beckett has/had centering grades. But how many vintage collectors care about BVG?

Again, the question I put to you before: what's your cutoff for the C, how do you propose measuring it, and does it apply to all cards or just before a certain year?

But it IS recognized, that's the piece I am missing. If it's already happening, and to a point I will also pay more for better centering though I am less fanatical than some, why do we need to change anything?

If it was that important, wouldn't people be crossing over their cards to BVG to take advantage of that 9.5 or 10 centering subgrade? Well, guess not, because BVG removed subgrades 5 years ago and has not brought them back.
Nobody is arguing that people aren't paying more for highly centered cards. You're arguing a straw man against yourself. Anyone who's been collecting graded vintage for more than 6 months knows that highly centered examples sell for more. You don't need to convince anybody.

They may need to convince themselves if they are requiring external validation? I don't mean that pejoratively, I just don't understand the point really.

[QUOTE=Peter_Spaeth;1800898]Again, the question I put to you before: what's your cutoff for the C, how do you propose measuring it, and does it apply to all cards or just before a certain year?[/QUOTE

Peter, this is not my thing, so I haven’t thought too much about it, but it’s cetainly not as hard as you think it is.

In fact, it wouldn’t be too difficult at all to set a scientific standard.

To me, I’d apply the qualifier to any card with the appearance of 50/50. Now, a T206 with 47/53 might actually appear to average eyes as 50/50. You could conduct some qualitative testing to ascertain what level of measurable centering falls within the parameters of appearing 50/50.

So it could be done with less subjectivity than you think.

All that said, qualifier or not, I’ll continue to pay strong for centered cards and some folks will continue to question those purchases. Not a big deal.

[QUOTE=mechanicalman;1800908]They would still question it with a formal qualifier, IMO. And who cares if they do?

A strong point.