Stanton to the yankees
 

Your thoughts,

Wow the rich keep getting richer:D That is quite the formidable lineup they now possess. Ill have to check and see what they gave up in return.

Edit to add it looks like they got him for next to nothing other than taking on the full salary.

I'm a Yankee fan and I don't like it. This is like the A-Rod deal which was a real albatross. There was enough pop on the team already. We need to improve our starting pitching and get Betansis back to the way he was, or get a new set up guy. We are fine on outfielders. We have Gardner, Hicks and Judge. All of those guys are solid fielders. What we need are a new third baseman, now a new second baseman, and an upgrade for Bird at first. Sanchez is the best hitting "catcher" in baseball. He just needs to learn to catch.

Getting Stanton would be great, but I would like to know just who is being traded away for Stanton. If it is Elsbury and/or Headley going in the trade (which Elsbury likely wont go due to his salary), getting Stanton would be great. Giving up Gardner would be tough, but giving up Castro would be the toughest if it is confirmed he is part of the deal. Makes sense it could be Castro because the Marlins traded Gordon to the Mariners.

Agreed...how many times have we seen the Yanks do this and it not work out....many more than actually do. I look forward to watching it fall apart.

Did this happen??? If so I am not a fan! While I like Stanton I thought the Yankees were done with these ridiculous bloated long-term contracts not one has proven to be smart in the past.

hes going to the dodgers with another guy Andrew toles will go to marlins as well as one of their stud pitchers, like Urias. and maeda, cingrani. joc peterson...i dont care if they say yankees have a deal 3 hours ago...at least i can only hope

I've hated their guts since I was a 9 year old suburban NYC kid rooting for any National League team that played them in their annual trip to the World Series. During the season I adored guys like Frank Lary and Camilo Pascual who could get the best of them.

It's torture to live in the NYC area and have to put up with the seeming constant coverage they get on the media, especially the radio (WFAN). I pay Sirius just to have an out when it gets too heavy.

This deal? That lineup needs Stanton like Carter needs liver pills. But what do I know? Zilch I guess. That said, their team and system look super loaded and I'm prepared for some suffering. Of course nothing is better than watching a hated rivel get close and miss while reaching for the brass ring. I can hope.

I believe Carter died of liver disease.

Then he definitely doesn't need the pills, does he? :)

As a Yankee fan of past, I stopped watching them after they got AROD. I hated Giambi but AROD was the icing on the cake.

Not only did they overpay for AROD, they also gave up ALFONSO SORIANO!!!

I honestly think the Yankees would have won more than 1 WS if they kept Soriano in that time frame.

Anyways,

I will say the following....

This does not hurt them and here is why:

The get rid of Castro, but Castro is no Soriano.

They got Castro for dirt cheap anyways.

To turn him into Stanton is ridiculous (Thank you Jeter).

Also,

By not signing Stanton, you are banking on HARPER or MACHADO in 2018.

Stanton may wind up being more effective than both those players over the next 8 years.

Why?

Harper is injury prone. He plays the game hard, but reminds me of a young Griffey. Eventually those injuries caught up to him and cost him seasons. The talent is greater than Stanton, however risk is way greater of injury.

Stanton has been injured, but they are always freak injuries.

Machado is what he is. A good player no doubt, but not the best.


Throwing Stanton in left gives the Yankees 2 absolute CANNONS in the corner OF spots.

The only negative of this deal is, when they are cold, this lineup is going to strike out 15 times a game.

The plus side though is they will hit streaks of 50 runs in 4 games at least once next season haha.

The a-rod trade was great. The problem was that they resigned him after he opted out

League should check this out ( Jeter and New York connection ). Does Jeter work for New York or Miami ? Will the league allow this trade ? I hope Miami doesn't become the Kansas City of the past and send all their good players to New York.

As a Marlins fan, I can tell you I've never cared for him as a player. He's a one-trick pony. With all his power, he's only had over 100 RBI in two years of his 8 in the league. He has a career 268 batting average. 1140 strikeouts in 3,577 at bats. He has no speed, and isn't exactly a gold-glover. This year he was a monster, but:
Career hits: 960
Strikeouts: 1,140
Homeruns are great, but the RBI totals are underwhelming:
59
87
86
62
105
67
74
132 finally this year
Marlins fans have lost so many great players. The Miggy trade is among the wort in sports history. And if Stanton continues the way he did this year, then it will be a huge loss, but my memory isn't very short. I don't think Stanton is worth the money when you consider his career numbers. He's fun to watch hit bombs on Sportscenter guys, but I watch 100 of his games a year. Sorry, but he's just not miguel Cabrera.

Jeter tried to trade Stanton to both the Giants and Cardinals but stanton used his no trade clause and said no to them and would only allow a trade to 4 teams. So what is jeter supposed to do when his player handcuffs him on moves and the team is trying to cut on payroll to fix debt the team has.

My thoughts....."B O O M"

Stanton
 

A great move for them. They are trying to keep up with the Red Sox... which won’t happen.

I say there will be at least a 10% Yankee premium on Stanton rookie cards that will be flooding the market very soon.

I don't like losing Castro and was hoping they could shed the Ellsbury/Headley contracts instead.............but realize the Marlins aren't THAT dumb.

On the other hand, Castro was also starting to concern me also. Reminds me a bit of Carlos Baerga. A middle infielder starting to become a little pudgy, starting to become a little complacent, starting to become a little injury prone heading into his late 20's.

I'm not sure Gleyber Torres is going to be ready yet, but might as well stick him in there and find out.

I'd like to see Todd Frazier come back if they could get him cheap, if only for his defense and bench presence, but they'd likely have to move Chase Headley. I wouldn't mind them both as a platoon at 3rd and filling in at 1st if Bird gets hurt again, but that would be an expensive platoon.

As a Yankee fan, I have some mixed thoughts but overall I think it's great move. I like Starlin but long term he probably doesn't fit into plans with gleyber Torres coming up for 2b. Plus tbey have Miguel andujar who can maybe slide in at 3b.

Who knows what happens with Harper or Machado. It's always possible either of them could resign a big team extension and not hit open market. Plus you hear Harper may command 400 plus million.

Yankees gave up no other significant prospects and get reigning nl. Mvp and hr champ in his prime entering age 28 season. He's different from other 10 year mega contract guys who signed when at least 30 years old in that regard. Plus he may opt out in 3 years anyway which means Yankees may not have him long term for back end of contract. Or they can decide what to do then as far as resigning.

Yankees went from not expecting to make playoffs this year to a legitimate long term contender with emergence of judge and Sanchez. Now sprinkle in another hr champ and in one move we now have a modern day murderers row and a very young talented core group who can conceivabley keep them near top of league for next decade. Stanton is oldest at age 28 in 2018!

All this coupled with the fact that u think Marlins are eating approx 30 mil of contract, with today's market for premium players I think it's a great move.

If he stays for 10 years the back end will certainly be iffy but hopefully they will have multiple more championships by then to justify it all.

This lineup is scary!

Just need a to stay healthy...

Wonder if ohtani is second guessing angels decision?

Merry Christmas Aaron Boone!

Doesn't scare me.. We all know the Yanks need starting pitching..

As a Braves fan, I wish Atlanta would have traded a bunch of prospects for Stanton before MLB stripped the team of all their best prospects. I think the Bronx Bombers are back.

Trading Castro (if he's the player) is a good move. They don't need him with Gleyber coming up. There's no way they're acquiring the whole salary for Stanton either so I don't think it compares to A-rod. Stanton isn't cheating and he's in his prime. I'd rather pay the money for a slugger who has some shelf life than a delicate starter. Chance Adams is ready for a trial and Sheffield, Tate, and Acevedo are all nearing their debuts.

Good to see The Captain still working hard to bring the Yankees another championship :D

I am looking forward to Harper in Boston. :)

The Yanks signing players after career years has usually panned out:

Ellsbury
Pavano
Burnett
Giambi
Big Unit
Contreras
Igawa

Giancarlo is a trade, they didn't sign him.

Same thing can be said for the Big unit, they again traded for him. Also Randy only played 2 years for the yankees and the first one he went 17-8, so id consider that a good year.

As a KC native, I had the same thought.

The Yanks need to work on their SP rotation, among other things already mentioned, 3b, 1B, 2B........

Sorry this thread is just too funny. People commenting about the Yankees and then not knowing much about the Yankees.


They don’t really need rotation help, they need ONE pitcher. They currently have Tanaka, Gray, Severino, Montgomery and then a bunch of pitchers in the minors who will be ready this year.

They don’t need a 1B because they have Greg Bird. They don’t need a 3rd because they have Chase Headley for 2018. And they have the number one prospect in all of baseball(Gleyber Torres) to play 2nd this year.


Also the Yankees are now stacked in the outfield. So they can now package Clint Frazier with another player for a SP.

Stanton won't win or lose them a championship. Neither will Castro.

Fact of the matter is Cashman who has been brutal and should have been fired by now made some nice deals to load up the farm over the past 600 days. Now they can take on a Stanton while still having 3-4 years of minimum salary big prospects to try to win a ship.

They need pitching yes, however they can pick up a rental before the deadline for cheap, and already have Tanaka Severino and Gray which isn't horrible.

PLUS... you never know if a rookie is gonna come out of nowhere and carry them down the stretch.

As a Yankee fan, let me be the first to say that I am shocked and dismayed at the Yankees organization spending money to bring in big time talent. This is totally unlike the Yankees I grew up loving and rooting for.

:rolleyes:

Severino and Tanaka(at least at home) are great. I think Gray is a bottom of the rotation guy. I'd rather have Sabathia pitching than Gray. Bird is a substandard first baseman at best, and that is only if he can stay healthy. Headley is a weak hitter, with no power or speed, who struggles throwing from third base. This team needs a lot, none of which Stanton provides.

I was surprised the Dodgers and Angels showed no interest. The Dodgers can definitely afford him and the Angels could definitely use him.

I would have rather him sign with anyone else but the Yankees or the Red Sox. I am sick and tired of every one of their games against each other taking up national broadcast slots. How 'bout the Padres vs. the Rays?


I'll bet that either Stanton or Judge has had his ONLY 50-homer season!

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MLB has been terrible for a long time. Glad I've left pro sports and have translated interest to college and high school athletics.

so not true!

As a Yankee fan I love this trade. Simply put, they added an MVP— and remain well-positioned in terms of both the farm system and the luxury tax cap.

The final years of most star contracts are not fruitful for the team, yet the 2018 to roughly 2024 Yankees just improved and I believe a team should strike while the iron is heating up, so to speak— this was a team that fell just short of a division and one game from the WS, so adding an MVP at this cost can only help.

They are an A+ arm, a third basemen (Machado), and a solid Gleyber Torres at second from being very, very solid, on paper. As to Greg Bird, he may very well be the best hitter on the team when the dust settles one year from now. His injury last year was an anomaly and will not recur. He showed flashes of the brilliance we saw all 2017 spring training, after his return. He had a mettle-testing Yankee moment with his clutch HR in the playoffs as well. I look forward to seeing one season-long body of work from that young man.

Of course, the games must be played, which is where the fun is. Will be exciting and entertaining to watch this team for the next several years, as it was last year.

+1.

the talent level all around the game is extremely high. So many young talented players, many only in mid 20's or younger.

Generational guys like Trout and Kershaw.

5'6" hit machines like Altuve, monstrous hitters in Judge, Stanton etc...

Top talent from all over the Globe... Japanese Babe Ruth had his press conferene today. The game today is top notch and getting better each year as I see it!

Bird can't stay healthy and Headly is HARDLY your answer for 3b. Know your team Brock. And you do need rotation help.

Best team money can buy....

As a longtime Yankee fan it makes it more exciting to watch with both Judge and Stanton in the lineup. No more intentional walks with those two 3 and 4 hitters; Maris' HR record will most likely be broken as a result.

How can you predict that he won't be injury prone or that the one he had last year won't reoccur?? You Yankee fans..

If I'm being completely honest, being a fan of a laughingstock organization (Baltimore) who is not committed to winning makes it extra awful. I'm just in a sour mood. Everyone else in the AL East shows its fans that they give a crap about winning except for the Orioles.

Do we forget this team was 1 win away from being in the world series..

Also Greg Bird is more then a substandard first baseman, when he is healthy he can be very good. The offseason has just started and they can easily get another SP..

And like i already stated Headley is here for one more year and thats all. Plus the yankees have Miguel A who can play third this year also.

Again headley is here for ONE year and then gone. Plus they have Miguel Andujar that can also come up and play 3rd..

Haters gonna hate. Love Bird...he will be the real deal.


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There's no hating on Bird from me, he just can't stay healthy. That said, and keeping it real, Hosmer would be great in pinstripes and what a lineup that would be for NY. I don't know if NY will make a play for him since they added salary in Stanton. Boston will certainly be in play for him though. I will be shocked if Hosmer is in a KC uniform next season.

I hope the Yankees fall on their collective asses. The Payrolls in MLB are ridiculous and not fair.

Come on Man, really??? Look at their freaking payroll....Any team could compile a team with that kind of money....Typical NY fan...

I actually know people within the organization and have discussed the injury with them, as it was a rather strange case. It was an injury not uncommon to dancers, involving a bone in the ankle. I will trust the information I was given, and its sources. Of course anything can happen in life. That said I feel safe saying that injury will not be an issue for him going forward— as the bone causing it was removed. I also never “predicted he would not be injury prone.” But by all means insult all Yankee fans when the option is there to engage in amiable discourse.

How the Braves doing?

Interesting Matty, and thanks for the insight! With all due respect, Bird does have an injury history. Given the inside knowledge you have, most Yankee fans have to be stoked with Stanton. Is there a concern, with the salary taken on by Stanton, that other areas of team weakness will be patched rather than repaired?

Bird certainly does have a history there, yet when one probes the latest injury and the medical facts of it, there is cause for great optimism.

Below is an interesting article that appeared on the subject many months ago, when he was first injured; it draws a worthwhile comparison to two other NYC sports stalwarts, namely Phil Simms and Patrick Ewing. It is also interesting to note that weeks were lost while the situation remained undiagnosed. Pasting the article, forgive the length:

"Simms and Ewing began their careers beset by injuries and were tagged as prone to being hurt. Bill Parcells actually benched Simms for Scott Brunner at one point. Ewing’s first Knicks coach, Hubie Brown, said his center needed to improve his “attendance.” Of course after injuries to knee, shoulder, thumb, etc., wrecked the first five years of his career, Simms’ sturdiness was part of the formula that helped the Giants be persistent contenders and win their first Super Bowl.Ewing missed 51 games during his first two seasons, mainly because of knee issues, then never played fewer than 78 until he was 35, becoming one of the 50 greatest players ever and helping the Knicks to serial contention.

In our current enlightened times we, well, are questioning Bird’s durability and even his desire to play. And it may be that Bird breaks easily and heals slowly and because of that — like Johnson — will never fully honor his talent. But in 2015, he was Gary Sanchez and Aaron Judge before Sanchez and Judge broke out. He was arguably the best hitter in the Grapefruit League this year, and if you would have said on, say, March 24, the Yankees must trade Bird or Judge, based on Judge’s 2016 major league failures, it would have been him.

Bird hardly has played the last two seasons and perhaps that will be crippling. But he is seven months younger than the rookie Judge. Bird hit third on Opening Day, Judge eighth. The world changes quickly, but it shouldn’t be so quick as to give up on Bird or label him soft or a malingerer. Anyone who has been around Bird a lot reports he loves to play baseball, particularly hit. Why would he want to not be doing this?

“You aren’t going to let words or thoughts of others derail what you believe, and that is what I believe about Greg Bird,” Simms, a huge baseball fan, said by phone. “And, if it does, then you were not going to be what we thought you were going to be anyway.”

Bird had surgery this week to remove the os trigonum bone from his right ankle. The Yankees said they expect him to miss six weeks, but as I wrote Wednesday, Geovany Soto and Joey Gallo both had the same surgery and were playing within three weeks. General manager Brian Cashman said Bird’s bone removal, though, was larger than ordinary. But Cashman also has said he will not make any move between now and July 31 that blocks Bird long-term. Bird is just 24. When Simms was 24 he was a rookie about to endure a series of injuries. When Ewing was 24 he was amid an injury-riddled second season. Durability and greatness were still out there for Simms and Ewing. Bird is young enough and talented enough to receive patience about what is out there for him."

Of course, we saw Bird come back this season, and hit the decisive home run in a 0-0 ALDS elimination game.

Pivoting to your question about team weaknesses that need to be addressed, a big variable will be whether Ellsbury's contract can be offloaded. Even then, the farm system is deep enough to use some resources there toward a starter. To be honest I have not heard any whispers of specific next moves— though the team is not done. Third base is one key area and being under the threshold, they will be in a position to pursue a certain Mr. Machado, should they deem him the answer at the hot corner.

I am just grateful I was lucky enough, thanks to some friends, to grab a Stanton RC yesterday before the news broke ;) !

Matty,

Great information!

Congrats on the Stanton rookie, and what should be a fun season in the Bronx!

Last year the Yankees were one win away from the World Series.

Add Stanton, if he stays healthy, and some of those 2-1 losses to Houston disappear.

They will now be favorites to win the pennant.

They should re-sign Sabathia as well.

Nobody has talked about how the Yanks apparently don't want to be in on the Harper craziness that's coming after this season. Stanton's .268 career avg doesn't scare anyone?

I Love Underdogs
 

I really do not mean to disparage anyone, but have an alternative view of competition that is independent of the size of a team's wallet and more power to the Yankees in their acquisition of Stanton. May they hit 300 home runs this year and win 130 games.

However I love underdogs. Consider 2008 when the value of the Yankees in terms of payroll was roughly $286,000,000. In the same year the value of the Red Sox' payroll was roughly $160,000,000. They finished second and third in their division. And who won the division and made it to the World Series?

Joe Maddon and the boys from the "Trop", whose aggregate value in 2008 was $65,000,000, which was less than the salary of three Yankees that year (ARod, Giambi and Jeter).

With a salary less than 25% of the pinstripers they prevailed. The obstacles facing small market teams over an 162 game season are nearly insurmountable. The inability to retain their young "stars" is a virtual certainty. The folks in Tampa Bay, Milwaukee and Houston for that matter need dictionaries to look up the word "dynasty". It doesn't happen very often to be sure, but to realize that they can win even one pennant is an accomplishment far greater than another pennant added by a big market team from New York, Los Angeles, Boston or Chicago.

I grew up in New York in the days of Willie, Mickey and the Duke. My bias was probably influenced by the "underdog" Giants in 1954 when they swept the 111 win Indians in the World Series. Between 1947 and 1963 only 4 teams other than the Dodgers or the Yankees won the World Series. Milwaukee winning in '57 and Pittsburgh winning in '60 was good for baseball I maintain.

The playing fields were tilted then favoring big market teams and they still are and I can accept that. But give me an underdog that is making a run in the middle of the season and that's my team.;)

There's no guarantee the Yankees would get Harper and they're paying Stanton less money than they would have paid Harper. How can you say the Yankees have a bad history of big money signings and then bring up Harper? If the Yankees didn't get Stanton when they could, and for basically nothing, they'd be rolling the dice on Harper. Everyone thought the Yankees were Ohtani favorites and they didn't even get a meeting.

I've watched him for 8 years. This past year was incredible, and he may have figured it out, but I've always thought he was severely overrated nationally. As I mentioned before, most people only see his highlights on sportscenter because they aren't watching Marlins games. He is the king of the one-run homerun. You can blame his teammates for not getting on base if you want, but I've seen him strikeout with men on base one too many times to buy into that argument. Having have said all that, it will be fun watching him in a lineup with Judge and Sanchez, and I wish him luck. For years before I had the Marlins, I rooted for the Yankees because all their games were broadcast in Miami. I'm just telling you guys my view of Stanton from a guy who has watched hundreds of his games.

As a Boston fan, I am quite fine with both of these facts.

I guess 243m is basically nothing for a guy that only hits home runs

Hooray for the Bronx Bombers. Once again they strike for the jugular of who might become available that could help them. After all, they did contemplate the liabilities of one George Herman Ruth. Guess the chap was tough to manage and control, erratic, but Ed Barrow had converted him to an outfielder, and he managed to break the major league single season home run record. They went out on a limb, and took a chance the limb wouldn't break. Guess Red Sox owner Harry Frazee needed a lot of dough to cover some shows that went bust, anyway.

Oh, ya heard this one?

Not surprised. But just sayin' --- sometimes taking a chance goes even better than what you figure.

Anyway, I'm sure the Yanks' medical team will see what they can do to keep him healthy, wealthy, and wise. ---Brian Powell

Not sure how this is at all "good for baseball". However, kudos to the Yanks ownership for taking a big step towards going deeper and deeper into the post season. I guess more than anything I'm jealous of New Yorkers because they have ownership that seems to give a damn about winning.

+1...I hear you Pete...Yankees won't win 90 games next year...

Amen to that.

David Glass has the dollars to pay players, but in KC we fear a return to 2000 - 2013.

The owner has to want to win.

More important than just the .268 career avg, is his .261 inter-league avg. He has a tOPS+ of 77 in inter-league. tOPS+ measures a players OPS for any given split compared to that player's overall average. 100 is the baseline, anything below that shows that he is below average in that split. So he drops below average when playing in the AL, yet he chose to go to the AL.

Based on his stats, and the teams pursuing him, I believe he would have been better served going to the Giants. He has a tOPS+ of 125 at ATT Park over his career. In 2017 it was his best park with a tOPS+ of 387.

Why would he leave Miami to go to another basement team? The Giants aren't going to be good again for a long time, maybe long enough that Stanton misses his entire prime.

I think you're forgetting that this was a trade and not a signing. When I said they gave up basically nothing I was talking about the players they traded.

this may have single handedly busted Judge's Sophomore Slump before it could even begin.