Atlantic city convention center to welcome back national sports collectors convention
 

ATLANTIC CITY, NJ (Wednesday, August 2, 2017) The Atlantic City Convention Center will welcome back the National Sports Collectors Convention (NSCC) to the Atlantic City Convention Center in 2020. More than 40,000 sports fans and memorabilia collectors will attend the 41st Annual National Sports Collectors Convention, which will be held July 29 through August 2, 2020.


http://meetac.com/news/atlantic-city...onvention-2020

My prediction for 2020 is that there will be entire tables of Aaron Judge $1 cards for sale.

Now that's funny Steve I got rid of all of mine lol

You may see that by next month.:D His average has dropped nearly 50 points from its mid June peak. And 30 points since the All Star game.

You can sell them as a bundle with Kevin Maas rookies!

The guy is a talented kid, but the idea that he is in a deep slump now is kind of ridiculous. He never hit in the minor leagues anything like he did the first half of the season. Maybe this is his normal. Yankee fans had a bronze plaque already being worked on. As usual a little ahead of themselves.

Who or what is aaron judge? And who cares?
And as for AC in 2020, sounds like another probable break in going to the National for me.

Atlantic City! Hooray! I am in Philadelphia about an 1.5 hours away so I am very happy. I will surely be going more than 1 day this time.
Robert

I heard there was a dealer petition to not go back to Atlantic City. I wonder if there will be several dealers taking a break.

I hope so. Could use some new blood.

AC: Great to drive to from the East Coast, terrible to fly to from DFW or anywhere else

Rich

This.

It's like the powers that be telling me to take a summer off, save some money, and spend a nice, quiet weekend with the family. Not a bad thing, actually.

Correct me if I am wrong....Derek Jeter will most likely be inducted into the HOF in 2020.

Cooperstown is already predicting 100,000+ will be there in 2020 for this event.

The HOF date is usually set for the last weekend of July.

Whoever set the National date for the weekend of July 29 thru August 2 is not too smart.


TED Z
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Unless Jeter appears one day to sign autographs. . . . . . .

For most of the 1980's and 1990's, the National has been scheduled the week following the HOF weekend. In recent years (including this year),
the National has conflicted with the HOF weekend in Cooperstown.

In my opinion, this is really dumb scheduling. As, I have set-up at the Cooperstown BB card Show since 1986. Obviously, I missed it this year.

In any event, it's my problem. Does anyone else here feel that the National scheduling dudes should take into consideration the HOF event ?


TED Z
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they'd be foolish not to.

If the powers to be insist on having the National late July-early August they are going to conflict with either Cooperstown or Canton. I guess they figure it hurts the bottom line less conflicting with the BB HOF Induction.

To defend the National promoters and their scheduling issues, in reality they have about a 4-6 week period to run the show depending on how July 4th falls.

I know in Texas, we begin school on August 21st or so which is and was a shock to me who never began school in the NY area until after Labor Day.

So using that, we have about a 6 week period in which the show can be run to deal with school issues.

And then dealing with what various venues have available and does it fit the National's needs, does limit them quite a bit.

So, there are going to be conflicts no matter what anyone does and that decision on where and when is something above our pay grade.

Personally, there are three areas I think have been ideal for the National: Anaheim, Chicago and Baltimore. Another possibility is St. Louis

All 3 have tons of hotel rooms near the show, All 3 have accessible transportation to and from and All 3 have enough things to do in the area to make the social events fun. If we just rotated between these three areas, I'd be a happy man. (of course, I'd be happier if we did not have hard concrete floors but that is another issue)

Regards
Rich

Fixed that for you. ;) It was smooth for me last year although that airport terminal is smaller than the show entrance area in Chicago.

This is true, the petition came around to where I was with only a couple signatures.

I also talked to someone who said they talked to a National person regarding locations and was told that the Rock Showplace Convention Center in the suburbs of Detroit is 50k sq. ft. too small, and that St. Louis had too much crime in the area of their center, FWIW.

Ditto. Loved Chicago. Not sure about Cleveland. Pretty much no go in AC. Whose doing the bidding for NSCC. this is a poor decision IMO. I know there are tons of dealers in NJ, but for us west coasters, it's not desirable.

Anaheim, Anaheim, Anaheim!!!

I agree with you 100% Ted. I've been going to Cooperstown induction weekend for close to 20 years. Last year was my first National and I loved it. But if they are on the same week I will be going to Cooperstown. It's just stupid. In fact Dale Murphy actually commented to me last Saturday about the scheduling as he signed a piece for me because Reggie Jackson is also on it and he wasn't in Cooperstown but at the National.

My opinion about Atlantic City:

Not as good as Chicago or Baltimore, better than Cleveland.

Plus it's nice to be the "home team" once in a while. I'll take it.

-Al

Didn't I read before somewhere that many of the large West Coast venues didn't want to book events 3 years out and that's why it doesn't come there?

Indeed. Selfishly this works out great for me.

Tom C

There will always be locations that are convenient for some, and not for others. But for Gosh Sake, pick a "Hub City" or at least a place that most people can get to on a direct flight. Or stop calling it "THE NATIONAL"

Very disappointing to those not living specifically in the NE... I'll be taking 2020 off as well.

That would be nice. Vegas works too. Are there no plans for the convention to ever come out west again?

Atlantic City?

Shit. That last show sucked in every possible way: inconvenient travel, bad accommodations, lousy venue. One of our members got bedbugs in the hotel (Caesars). But at least it was expensive. And at the rate they are closing there may not even be any casinos left in town.

Looks like I will have to spend my summer vacation with my family. :rolleyes: Thanks a lot, NSCC...Maybe I'll go to the boxing HOF induction and show in early June instead.

Oh, god, we're back to this. . . . .

Yeah, AC is a two hour drive from the largest population center in the US. Simply impossible to get to.

Exactly. A 2 hr drive. You can understand how that's not convenient for anyone who has to first board a plane to get to The East Coast.

If the National were in any one of the East's great cities serviced by a major airport, I bet no one would gripe.

No love for the west coast :(

If it was in New York City plenty of people would gripe just as loud. I'm sure of it.

The board has been full of stories about people driving to this years National. Sure many people from the Midwest drove long distances to get there.

Philadelphia is a fairly large airport and that's 40 minutes closer than NY. People fly into Philly every day to gamble in Atlantic City.

My understanding is the dealers vote for the locations, so they idea that Atlantic City is boycotted by large numbers of people obviously makes no sense. Sure the leading auction houses in the business, many of which are based in NJ or have offices in NYC, are pretty happy.

If you have to fly to the National this is a horrible choice. I will skip AC again and will skip all future AC Nationals.

One hour from Philly. Not great but better than two+ from NYC.

Tom C

I've never thought about flying into Atlantic city and didn't understand what all the fuss was about. Out of curiosity I just looked into flights out of OC or LA. Looks like the best option is a flight into Philly, followed by a 75 mile drive. Beyond ridiculous for a national convention many people fly in for in my opinion. I doubt I will be going to that one, unless we make a trip out of it to see some friends or family in the NYC or DC area.

5 ++++++

This was actually what doomed AC as an experiment from the start. People like to blame the expansion of gambling, the internet and a million other things, but if the casino owners had ever had an OUNCE of foresight they could've turned AC into Vegas with a beach by banding together and building a true international airport in the 1970's. This shortsightedness will continue to be the thorn in the side of EVER turning AC into what it should've been, and now it's probably too late.

Allegedly.

I'll be there, don't care where it is.

In all fairness, the Javits Center in midtown can be two hours from JFK when the stars fail to align

I was at the Cooperstown Card show. Did some wheeling and dealing. Prices were better than the shops for sure. A lot of good peeps in there. Plus the weather was mild so it didn't feel like an oven in there this year!

+10000 Jeff.

I'd love to see Pittsburgh have it. Large beautiful convention center in a great location, downtown on the river, in the heart of everything. Seems like that would be a fun location that would offer everything people want.

AC?????????
 

YES!:D

I am stoked!

In general, I wonder what the monetary tipping point is for collectors. Let's say The National is in a city far away and you decide to get flights and a hotel, etc. For the sake of argument, let's just say your total costs for the trip will be $1,500 and it doesn't put a strain on your finances. You can afford it. When do you look in the mirror and say to yourself, "You know, if I stay home, I can take that 1,500 bucks and use it to buy a seriously nice card instead. I ain't going!!!"???

I enjoyed the 2016 National (my first one).

Only a 90 minute drive for me.

I'll be there (God willing, of course).

Stephen, was there Saturday. Great show and one of my highlights of the year.

Rosemont's about a 50 minute drive for me, since I'm not a hard core collector, I'll simply wait until it swings back around. I agree, save the airfare and hotel and put it towards collectables or cards.

I refuse to go back to AC. The National last year just didn't have "it" and the area doesn't offer much that interests me. Looks like I'll just wait until it comes back to Cleveland every couple of years.

Great! If I'm alive, I'll be there. AC is convenient for me. Had a great time there.

How about Philadelphia..............

Well A.C. is only a little over an hour away and I went 3 days last year. But Ted Z nailed it I would not miss Jeter induction for any show. 100k Yankee fans expected Coperstown is gonna rock that weekend..My 2 cents west coast show long overdue. Seattle has nice convention center..

Bugs in his room didn't seem exclusive to Atlantic City.

I agree with Al
 

Atlantic City was excellent last year. I will gladly go to AC over Cleveland. Cleveland to me is the turd in the rotation.

Cleveland is a rebounding city. We spent a day their last spring on trip to Cooperstown, Rock & Roll HoF, Kimpton Hotel, some good food, walked around the ballpark ( it was before the season). it's more or less centrally located too.

I would think St. Louis would be an awesome spot, but have no idea if they even have a convention center of appropriate size. Cool town though.

This year was my first in Chicago. I didn't realize it was a stone's throw from the airport which is very cool. And there are hotels literally across the street. On the downside, only real choices to grab a decent lunch were in the hotels. At Atlantic City I jumped in a taxi and in 5 minutes went to a nice Italian restaurant. Chicago certainly works well though with the proximity to the airport.

I would think a Los Angeles National would be a huge hit too I'm sure.

Yes, there will. I'm looking at 2019 as my final National. It is just too long a haul for me to AC. The 2016 was a good experience, but at my age and with the amount of material I haul to the show I will have to pass on that one. Looks like I will attend Nationals as a customer in the future.

I know that I will also petetion to be admitted to the OBC group. Hoping that I am worthy!

The board of control will never go to St. Louis, Kansas City, Denver, Las Vegas, Houston, Dallas, or anywhere else. They especially will not go to LA.
They control a lot of money from table fees. My understanding is they get the Atlantic City convention center free of charge and are able to keep the bulk of that money. What they are doing with it is a mystery cloaked in double secret riddle. If I am wrong about that feel free to correct me, it won't hurt my feelings. I was a Navy CPO and a High School Principal for 20 years, so I don't have any feelings.

Orlando, Fl

It seems like in the past one of the reasons the promoters gave for not holding the National in various cities was that the convention centers in these cities were not considered large enough. With the reports back from this past one in Chicago indicating that a large section of the hall was 'curtained' off, is it about time for the promoters to consider other locations as well?

Brian

Rumour has it that the Great and Mysterious Oz the selection Dude was hidden behind said curtain.

AC
 

Love it. Had a great time at the show and at night.

Better to have crabs in Baltimore than lousey in AC.

Planning or commenting on an event three years in the future is not in my DNA.

Where's the thread about next week's tee times?

Being from New England, I love the Atlantic City (and Baltimore) shows, I can drive there and save on showcase rental, flight and also can bring more stuff---Last year at AC, was a great selling and buying show---Chicago was very good last week as usual---It was very nice meeting Net 54 members for the first time. The Net 54 banquet was very interesting with the speakers and free Pizza and Beer is always nice. Leon always does a great job.

Steve
 

[QUOTE=Snapolit1;1686695] And there are hotels literally across the street. On the downside, only real choices to grab a decent lunch were in the hotels. At Atlantic City I jumped in a taxi and in 5 minutes went to a nice Italian restaurant. Chicago certainly works well though with the proximity to the airport.

Hey Steve, Uber can have you at any one of a couple of dozen great lunch spots within a 5 minute drive of the Convention Center in Chicago.

Rick

2 hours from NYC is misleading for those of us traveling by air.

I live in L.A. To get to the East Coast from here I have two direct choices: a Jetblue redeye from Burbank (easy airport close to home) to JFK then travel on to AC or a regular flight from Los Angeles International ("LAX") on a number of airlines to JFK or Newark, followed by a drive down. When I checked last time there were no direct flights to Philadelphia from LAX. Going to LAX adds nearly 2 hours to my trip on the front end because traffic is so horrendous. I can go Burbank to Phoenix with Southwest. Transferring planes in Phoenix (or at some other hub with another carrier) to get to Philly adds more time to the trip than the drive time differential between Philly and going into JFK or Newark directly. Add the hours on each end to the time required for airport security, flight, baggage and related airport logistics, car rental or ground transport acquisition, etc., and the trip becomes 12-14 hours from the West Coast, door to door, all-in. Each way. And there is no direct train access from NYC to AC as far as I could tell. When the show was in Baltimore I could travel to NYC then take Amtrak from Penn Station down to the the show, which was a piece of cake. I tried to line up a similar thing for AC and found there wasn't one.

National
 

Absolutely cant wait for the 2019 National,
Im starting to put some money and cards aside

Not doubting any of this, but do you have any more flight options going to Cleveland?


QUOTE=Exhibitman;1686793]2 hours from NYC is misleading for those of us t





raveling by air.

I live in L.A. To get to the East Coast from here I have two direct choices: a Jetblue redeye from Burbank (easy airport close to home) to JFK then travel on to AC or a regular flight from Los Angeles International ("LAX") on a number of airlines to JFK or Newark, followed by a drive down. When I checked last time there were no direct flights to Philadelphia from LAX. Going to LAX adds nearly 2 hours to my trip on the front end because traffic is so horrendous. I can go Burbank to Phoenix with Southwest. Transferring planes in Phoenix (or at some other hub with another carrier) to get to Philly adds more time to the trip than the drive time differential between Philly and going into JFK or Newark directly. Add the hours on each end to the time required for airport security, flight, baggage and related airport logistics, car rental or ground transport acquisition, etc., and the trip becomes 12-14 hours from the West Coast, door to door, all-in. Each way. And there is no direct train access from NYC to AC as far as I could tell. When the show was in Baltimore I could travel to NYC then take Amtrak from Penn Station down to the the show, which was a piece of cake. I tried to line up a similar thing for AC and found there wasn't one.[/QUOTE]

direct LAX to Philly
 

Adam, American Airlines offers 3-4 direct flights a day from LAX to Philly. I routinely fly one of them. They aren't cheap though, about 50% more than when US airways had the flights.

I have the easy solution. All of you West Coast dealers move out to the East Coast. There. Problem solved.

:eek:

Nat'l back in AC?
 

Awesome! I'll be there.

I'll be there
 

Enjoyed 2016 with my kids - will be back again in 2020!

Woo Hoo!
 

Really enjoyed it last year - but it is convenient for me, I will admit.

It was real easy for me to drive to and find parking. Traffic leaving was harsh, but I should've known that leaving AC around 6PM on a Sunday was going to be rough. Other than that - it was great.

I understand that it's far for those on the west coast - and that there's no local airport.

I'm not a dealer, and I'll spend one day there - so a 2.5 hour drive to attend the National is oaky with me. I'll be there in 2020!

Amen Rich. Chalk me up as one of those Southerners who will be in Cleveland in 2018, Chicago in 2019 but not Atlantic City in 2020, inaccessibility of flights being the major, but not only, reason.

Just picked a random day next month to see what the flight options are from Dallas to Philadelphia on Expedia. 12 direct flights and 56 with a connection. Yeah I can see why it's next to impossible to get a flight within striking distance of Atlantic City. I usually say if I don't have at least 100 flight options a day a place is not accessible.

3 direct round trips Dallas to Cleveland that day.

Cleveland Airport to IX Center 7 minutes
Philadelphia Airport to Atlantic City CC 96 minutes

I live in Northeast PA so I am glad it will be back here, however Philly is a much better choice or even Secaucus NJ would have been a good option. I guess the free space in AC pays for it. I was really happy last year.

True.

Soon someone can bring up the fact that it's a really really dangerous place too. That was a never ending theme in 2016. Unlike Chicago and Cleveland of course.

AC was great and stoked for it again.