W600 Sporting Life Cabinet Honus Wagner PSA 7..wow
 

Any idea what this might sell for nowadays?

100k?

At least that I'd think, wow!


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125-150K.

At that level of condition and rarity, assume it will go higher than you might expect.

Just depends if there are 2 or more who "have to " have it!

someone will most surely "have to have that!"

Nice. Is it in an upcoming auction?

I don't know if it's for an upcoming auction or if it's going to be for sale. I just saw it on the front page of PSA's website.

And I thought it was your baby!!!!!

Amazing card but I would be nervous as hell about the corners getting dinged when it inevitably floats around in that oversized holder...

300k

I just checked the pop report, this is the only type 4 in a pittsburg uniform psa has graded. In any grade. There are 9 non type 4s graded. I do not know what the difference is. The next highest grade is a 5.

For the nicest example of such a rare and important card the sky's the limit. It would be a great addition to any of the finest collections in the world. Out of my league, but it's a great looking card. I wouldn't be surprised to see it go well into the 6 figures.

There are many type 4's, the PSA pop did not record them for some time. A quick internet search will bring up a dozen or so different ones, if you wade thru both the images and the listings.

I have always thought that there should be a different grading scale for cabinets. That thing is freaking beautiful and it is a 7. One of the nicest cabinets I have ever seen. Granted i can't see the back but that looks like at least an 8 to me!? Really really nice card

What year(s) is that from? Why isn't it stated?? Isn't that virtually the first thing a person looks for on a slab?

1902-1911

Sometime between 1904 and 1912.

Here are some more W600s PSA just graded, from the same collection as the Wagner:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFMnXpBUMAAPnb3.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFMn8i4UMAEL3l-.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFMogu9UMAEnvGp.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFMpoKiU0AADw95.jpg

Steve

Omg
Those are fantastic

Here are the other cards from the collection, according to PSA's database (every single one is listed as a Pop 1/0):

Jake Beckley - Type 2 - PSA 6.5
Chief Bender (Uniform) - Type 4 - PSA 6.5
Mordecai Brown - type 4 - PSA 6mk
Jack Chesbro - Type 2 - PSA 4.5
Fred Clarke (Uniform) - Type 4 - PSA 6
Frank Chance (Uniform) - Type 1 - PSA 4mk
Eddie Collins - Type 4 - PSA 5mk
Sam Crawford - Type 2 - PSA 6
Ed Delehanty (Street) - Type 1 - PSA 6.5
Clark Griffith - Type 3 - PSA 6
Addie Joss - Type 2 - PSA 6
Willie Keeler - Type 1 - PSA 4.5
Joe Kelley (Street) - Type 1 - PSA 6
Nap Lajoie (Uniform) - Type 4 - PSA 5mk
Connie Mack - Type 4 - PSA 5
Christy Mathewson (Uniform) - Type 4 - PSA 7mk
Joe McGinnity (Street) - Type 2 - PSA 5.5
John McGraw (Infielder) - Type 2 - PSA 5.5
Rube Waddell - Type 4 - PSA 4mk

Steve

Oh my :eek:

The Cy Young and Cobb are beauties!

:eek:

Somebody getting his collection REAdy for the fall?

There are other HOFers that were just graded as part of this collection as wel. The only reason why they are 1/0 is because PSA just started differentiating the four different mounts. All of these cards were known to exist.

Condition wise, this is the finest collection of W600 Hall of Famers that I know of. I would love to see them come to the market.

Those card doctors are creating some nice beauties these days!

Gotta have it!

Seems like the response now every time someone shows a really nice anything. Yes, everything really nice is doctored somehow and fake.

Nothing personal but these responses always come off like a lot of sour grapes.

I concur!!

Anyone know where these were found or who they belong too?

I am not implying being Dr'd one bit but it always amazes me that something this old and what it/they are made of can be in this good of condition.

I assume these were likely placed between book pgs many many years ago or into something I am not familiar with?
Needless to say, I am glad the person(s) these belonged to took such great care of them!

I concur and I don't like cabinets.

It seems like people know a lot about these specific cards, but they aren't saying who they belong to or whether they will be up for sale ....

This seems to be the Copeland group that sold back in March of 1991. That group had a total of 70 cabinets including over 50 different Hall of Famers (counting different poses). I was at the auction and the lot did not meet its minimum bid, but sold privately immediately afterwards. I remember that the overall condition of the lot was absolutely amazing. I have not corresponded with their current owner, but, as far as I know, he just got them graded and they are going right back into his collection.

Here are three more:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFNKxmcUwAAZZNO.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFNKUWWVwAAhr8Y.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFNHOkLUwAAtyjH.jpg


Steve

+1 as I would think just the price of the Wagner or the Cobb would double what the cost of the entire group cost back in 1991.

Christy Mathewson :eek:

Love the Matty!!

Those holders look like they use the same/similar black gasket as SGC?

I can't imagine those cards are in there loose, but I have no idea?

No gasket Dale, they were scanned using the "lid up" technique.

Lajoie

Wow

I'd be happy to pick up just a 'common' player from this batch.

So there is nothing from stopping those cards from moving around in there, Jeff?
All look perfectly centered/square in those slabs.

Personally, I'd be afraid to pick them up/move them if they can move around easily?

The error card in this group is mind boggling. These are printed directly on the cabinet, there is no mounted photo. Yet we have a mismatched photo/caption. So perhaps the captions and images were separate print runs?? I don't think they were, so someone must have been having a bad at the printers.

Thanks Kevin for the information about these cards. And thanks to everyone for posting the scans. I had never seen the Crawford Cincinnati before, or the Frank Chance.

i do not think that is Frank Chance. Does anyone know who is actually pictured?

The card on the left i what the card should look like. I have never seen an error like this on a W600.

Looks like a bad day at PSA also......"Uniform"??

Now that PSA gives a better description on W600s by including the Cabinet mount type, wonder how much would they charge to reholder ones graded before the change? This one of Cy is type 2

I'm thinking Ed Ruelbach.
ETA: I'm thinking I'm wrong.

It's Harry Wolverton.

So should the miscaptioned one be considered a Chance or a Wolverton?

No sour grapes at all. Not something I collect. Not something I want actually.

But everytime someone peels back the curtain on a big card (the T206 Wagner, that WWG Gehrig recently, etc.) we find proof of card doctoring.

So anyone with a shred of common sense knows that's as likely to be undoctored as Kaley Cuoco's boobs.

A lot of people enjoy fake boobs.

That is a Type 1.

As usual, thanks to Kevin and Scott for sharing their knowledge

I wrote to Joe Orlando yesterday to inquire about the new way PSA has listed W600s on their pop chart. As follows:

Jerry Spillman <jssccssj@gmail.com> 10:48 PM (21 hours ago)
to Joe

Hi Joe,

Just observed your latest graded W600 cabinets. Noticed the design type has been added to all these newly graded cabinets - after all these years. All the previously graded cabinets are now disregarded even though many are exactly the same design type. Why must rare cabinets deceptively made to appear unique on the PSA pop chart when they are not. Why be dishonest with the collector who depends on an unbiased pop list. SHAME.

In browsing the first few new W600s on the pop chart I find:

Frank Chance - Uniform-Type 1* - scan shows Chance in Street Clothes - not in uniform.
*
John Chesbro - NY AL Type 2 below John Chesbro NY AL - they could be the same type - making 1 of 1 false.
*
Ty Cobb - Type 4* ALL Cobb W600s are type 4. How can this new cabinet be different than the Cobb listed above this new 1 of 1?
*
Should I go on?

Jerry

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Joe Orlando 12:11 PM (8 hours ago)

to me


We can handle this over the phone.
*
You have my number.
*
Joe

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I know the Chance picture is incorrect but that has nothing to do with PSA.

I called earlier today - no response.

Apparently he is not able to defend the change.

Call me a Pollyanna, but somehow I don't think coming in with both guns blazing is necessarily the best approach...

http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1500635695

Little did anyone know after his playing days he retired to build treehouses...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8GuYQoUwAAoYDv.jpg

Exactly... That's what I was saying. What's going to happen to everyone who has paid for their service? Are they going to have two different pop charts on literally the same card and mount.

My gut tells me, Jerry, knows Joe, or has had similar interactions with him before?
Imo, being as they are PSA, I think the questions and the forwardness of them are not out of line at all as PSA should clearly be wise/knowledgeable and aware of what they have in front of them and what they have seen and have graded in the past. (JMO)

They are listed separately. All Cobb's are type 4, but now that they are caraloging by types, they appear separately.

Isn't this always what happens when a grading company adds precision to the identification of a card? T206s have backs in the reports now. Previously they didn't. Never mind factory numbers. Would it be better for them not to refine their identification of the cards to reflect greater collector interest in cartophilic minutiae? They can't go back and make up the missing data now from variables previously ignored.

I agree 100%. But I think they should offer reslabbing for free or at a large discount to those who own the previously graded cards. This way they can meet their altruistic goal of having them properly catalogued.

I'm sure it's done on a case by case basis. Maybe they should do what auto manufactors do when they determine a flaw in their finished product which they sold. They offer a RECALL to get the problem corrected.

Good idea

So, are they just floating in the slabs, or held in secure? I don't see any plastic internal corners , or baggys.

You are probable right Scott. Just could not believe such a thoughtless policy was implemented. Having two identical cards and list them separately on a professional population chart is - . What about subsequent additions. It seems that a little extra might have been promised the submitter of 24 cabinets.

The submitter could have just the opposite happen on them as they could become the red headed step child of the series. The 24 Cabinets are not being compared to other "like" cards, as they have their own subset. Maybe now is a good time for PSA to start listing the Springfield Rose postcards in a subset ��

No WaJo
 

Odd that he's not in the set, one of the few HOFers--maybe the only one--from that era not included.

A very BIG +1!

Larry

I have never understood why WaJo was never offered by The Sporting Life. The only other missing HOFer that I can think of is Speaker. He did not have his breakout season until 1909, the same as Baker, who is included in the set, but that may have something to do with The Sporting Life being a Philadelphia based company.

Curious, Jerry, if you ever received a return phone call or if you called again?

Hi irv,

No further calls. I am sure when he answered me he was unaware of what I was complaining about. After learning what it was he could not do or admit anything.

I am a customer and expect an answer - I will persist.

Good for you! I know the odds are likely against you but I hope you receive a reasonable and acceptable response.

I am a little disappointed. I had 5 powerball tickets Saturday night. After I won I was going to find out who owned these and get them bought. But alas, there is no joy in Mudville...


P.S. maybe Wednesday. Fingers crossed :D

Mark

Getting back to cards. At a Philly show when it was still held by hotel. Pat Quinn had a couple large boxes of W600's. I asked to buy a couple he quoted a price. One for Hall of farmers and one for commons and told me I could buy one HOF and one common. I pulled the Delahanty and an obscure highlander Laroy. All of the cards were in there original transparent holders and in unbelievable condition. Pat then told me that the Hof pile I looked through were all doubles. My understanding was the group was purchased by Rob Lifson and was a prized in his collection and then went to Copeland. And shortly after the auction the group sold for about 100k give or take 20 grand. I sold the Highlander to a board member and the Delahany REA/ Mastro sold around 2000. Nice to see most of the group still together.

I remember that card. It was absolutely beautiful. That is the same example that recently sold in a Heritage Auction.

Terry Knouse told me the story years ago of a box of W600's from 1980's or so.

Also J. Rumeriz told me of a group of 600 that he and Pat Quinn and one other collector divided up, 200 each. Again many, many years ago. I bet that is the group Pat had at the show.

Is this that Delahanty? Recently sold at Heritage in Feb for $38,400.

I think they are in baggies but the scanner is set not show the baggie.

I didn't realize that PSA had a vintage grading department. How in the World is that Cabinet an 8?? Is that staining I see on it which looks very uniform. It's a great card, but not an 8.

That scan looks a bit funny to me. Here is an image of the the card when REA originally sold it in 2001. That is what I remember the card looking like.

Technical grade aside, the price is a fraction of what it would be if common sense were taken into account in our valuations. (note sarcasm). A Koufax rookie in a 9 has sold for more not long ago.