WOW! 1960 Yaz rookie PSA 9
 

This card is already at $34K with the juice in Goodwin......I had no clue this rookie was that hot, this is baffling..

Ask Justin, he will explain it to you.

Isn't this price PSA 10 value and then some?

Only Justin knows.

He (hi Justin) is one of many it seems.

Kevin
 

A Psa 10 Yaz rookie would probably sell for 100-200 thousand or more

The high end of this hobby or business or whatever is a joke at this point. People buying little paper flips.

I guess I should have kept my SGC 98.....:mad: Why should it sell for that???

paper flips?
 

What a world we live in where we spend paper that the government says is worth something to get little pieces of cardboard that we hope will turn into bearer bonds.

What in the Hell am I missing? This is Carl Yastrzemski!! Did I spell the name right? Holy cow.....

I just checked SMR price for this card, $11K in a 9....

Timing Is Everything
 

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....in that case I'm glad I upgraded my ratty last year , when prices were normal...

..

A PSA 8OC just sold for $151 at Mile High last month!! Also, a straight 9 went for $3400 at Memory Lane 6 years ago! Someone needs to clue me in big time on this one....This makes no sense at all to me.

If Yaz can command those kind of prices... Pandora's box has officially been opened.

Next in line: Steve Garvey
Bucky dent
Enos slaughter

Get your PSA 10's now!!

+1....You can actually buy Dale Murphy's 1977 Topps rookie in PSA 10 for around $750-1000, not a 9, but a 10. This guy won back to back MVP awards in the National League. Not many have done that in either league....

Hey Kevin

This is one of my favorite 1960's cards, but this hobby is getting crazy out there.....perhaps it's time to sell my Yaz rookie card.

So, what do you think I can get for this card (assuming I have PSA grade it) ?


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TED Z
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Wow Ted, Your guess is as good as mine at this point. Having said that, it seems that PSA 6's thru 8's are very affordable. I'm just amazed that I have not picked up on this incredible craze for 9's and 10's sooner! More Yaz stats..... Lifetime batting average .285, averaged about 165 hits per season, only 24 total hits in his entire post season, no World Series ring. If not for playing for the Red Sox for 24 years, would he even be a HOFer? Still a great player.....

Check out 7s and 8s recently, you are wrong. They have skyrocketed. Now INVESTOR cards.

Sold a 7.5
 

Sold a 7.5 in long beach today it priced at $700 (it was dead centred with no print marks)

Then there's this with 6 days to go!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-Topps-G...3D282053780948

I agree with the added value Glyn. You said it your self, dead centered and was graded a PSA 7.5 for $700. Now factor in a PSA 9 for $35K plus.....It simply does not make any sense to me, and odds are, the card is going to sell for a much higher price...

Good point Paul, but that card is a PSA 10. Tremendous difference between 9's and 10's in HOFers....

A PSA 7.5 for $700 is much more affordable in this market for a HOFer, than $40-50K or better for a PSA 9....

Brilliant!
( just kidding Kevin)

You sold it short judging by the last ebay sales.

Peter- Maybe you can help me, what is the sudden draw to this card?

Not JUST this card, Kevin. There have been a dozen or more threads on 54 recently about the recent run on centered rookie cards.

:D

Now back to bidding on non Rookie mid grade
Prewar cards that only several people care about.
I'm never looking at rookies again. I feel sick.

Investors like Justin want to corner the market.

You got it brother.

So Greg, in your opinion, what is a perfectly centered PSA 10 1965 Topps Morgan worth in this market? Kevin

Also, a 1965 Carlton centered PSA 10....

Kevin,

I am not keeping up on the pricing, actually. It is that ridiculous but maybe Brent will permit Justin to post on this thread and answer what the going rate is for those cards. My guess is the answer is as much as they have to spend.

If you have not checked eBay recently for completed sales you should look up virtually any 50s or 60s rookie card in PSA 7s and PSA 8s just to get a taste. Good times!

Catfish Hunters may still be cheap.

Really? LMFAO!

So Johnny Bench hit .267 lifetime and was great defensively just like Yaz. Same boat? Oh and Bench hit .266 in the postseason and Yaz, .369. I realize that's not the point of this thread but ya got under my skin. Carry on.

Oh boy, I'm shaken by that. Can I get anything for you from the bar?

Could you might be from the N.E.??

Bench- 2 titles, Yaz- 0

WOW! 1960 Yaz rookie PSA 9
 

Or is it market manipulation? Many deep pocketed collectors who hold those cards are bidding them up sky high to dump theirs?


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Bench was arguably the best catcher in the game, while Yaz was never regarded as the best at his position.

No comparison between the two.

This is silly, both Bench and Yaz are no-brainer Hall of Famers. Yaz for his 3,400+ hits and 450+ homers, Bench because he was the best catcher of all time, offensively and defensively.

Now if his last name had only been Couch...
 

I totally agree: Yastrzemski has a long and difficult to spell last name, while Bench can commonly be found at a park or bus stop.


Brian (potential HOF committee member)

Bartending maybe your calling. But really, carry on about PSA 9's, interesting dialogue.

These are real sales
 

I know it's hard to believe but these are real sales this would be a far too large conspiracy to not be real and I know what Many dealers have sold over the past few months have been real sales. Believing this is some sort of manipulation and these aren't real sales is silly. Strange things happen and when markets rise it sometimes happens too quickly. These spikes don't always last but when they come down prices are often still higher than before the spikes. I think this will happen in cards. I also think the 10 and some of the 9 prices may stay fairly absurd for the foreseeable future. It's the easier 7 and many 8 prices that will have the most downward corrections. In my honest opinion.

False dichotomy. Straw man. Whatever you want to call it. A real sale can occur at an artificially inflated price. Did you read what Justin wrote about trying to corner the market and push prices?

I know a collector who sold his PSA 8 Pete Rose for $18,000 recently. He is treating his family to a pool. The money does spend.

Ryan in a 9 with PWCC going for $60K currently.......

Total anarchy! Cats and dogs in the streets!

For last few months of eBay sales, the '69 Reggie rookie in PSA 8 has been in the $1200-$1700 range.

Last night in Goodwin:

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Protecting investment.

I dislike the Red Sox first and foremost.

I didn't know titles were a qualification of being a Hall of famer. Before the steroid era, at the time of his election, Yaz's stats were pretty damn impressive. Add in his gold gloves, and you have a pretty complete player. I would imagine his 18 All-Star selections during his playing days, were a good sign of his place in the game.

Love this line.

He said we would eventually get it

The most compelling criticism I have seen of Yaz is that his numbers were in large part due to park effects and that he really wasn't all that good on the road. I think Tabe if I am remembering correctly made a pretty strong case for that.

His splits were not that bad on the road. If that's the case, let's start penalizing players career stats today, b/c they play in the launching pad stadiums of today. Plus, home versus away didn't affect his gold gloves. I'm not saying that he is a top tier Hall of Famer. I am just saying that at the time of his election, how could he be denied.

Carl Yastrzemski
Home/Away---BA----Slg.--onbase------HR------D------T------RBI----AB-----BB
Home:------.306---.503----.405------237----382-----38---1,063---5,948---959
Away:------.264----.422----.360-------215----264-----21------781---6,040---886

Park or not, Yaz was a fine player. He had a great game and had to in order to play for 24 years. If one is going to hold a player accountable to the " park effect " then the same has to apply to Ruth, Gehrig, Koufax ( pitchers park ), ect. Either you have mad talent to be among the greats or you don't, and the talent will translate to any park.

Babe Ruth
Home/Away--BA----Slg.--onbase---HR-----D-----T-----RBI------AB-----BB
Home:-----.347---.699---.482-----347---239---70------979---4,033---1,037
Away:-----.338----.681---.466-----367---267---66---1,004---4,388---1,019

Lou Gehrig
Home/Away--BA----Slg.----onbase---HR---D-------T-----RBI------AB------BB
Home:-----.329---.620-----.436----251---206-----83-----947-----3,861----713
Away:-----.351---.644----.458----242---329-----79---1,043-----4,140---795

Is someone really trying to argue that Carl Yastrzemski doesn't belong in the hall of fame? If you're worried about park effects, look at OPS+, which normalizes for those. Yaz has a 130 OPS+ in about 14,000 PA. He's tied with Roberto Clemente, Mike Epstein, Greg Luzinski, Minnie Minoso, Hal Trosky, Dave Winfield, and Ross Youngs. And of course has more PA than any of them (he's second all-time).

He wound up with a (barely) positive dWAR, despite the fact that he played corner outfield and 1B, positions which start with a penalty in dWAR. By comparison, Winfield was at -23 dWAR and Clemente was at 12. Both in corner outfield spots. So what we've got is someone who was much better than Winfield as a fielder, and quite a bit worse than Clemente (which sounds about right). He was their equal as a batter, and had a much longer career than either. That's way way way over the line for the hall of fame.

(Just for fun, Luzinski was at -21 dWAR in a career much shorter than Winfield's.)

What does this prove, that Yaz wasn't a Hall of Famer at the time of his election? Not every Hall of Famer is going to have Ruthian stats. You have certain players who are of course superior to others, but that doesn't mean that they are not worthy on a certain level. Don't forget to add in his GG's, unless you don't want to count defensive awards. Then again, there are people who argue that Nolan Ryan isn't Hall of Fame worthy b/c of his winning %age and lack of Cy Youngs, so nothing surprises me in these conversations.

No he is clearly a HOFer, it would be insane to argue otherwise, just perhaps not quite as good as his popularity/mythology suggests.

I really don't think that he is all that popular/mythical outside of the Boston area, although when it comes to key rookies in 60's baseball cards, he is in the top ten, arguably top 5(only Rose and Ryan clearly ahead). I think that's the driving force behind this card, more than just Yaz himself.

I don't follow, if he is a key rookie it is because of his popularity, no?

This would be a great thread topic.

I probably did not do a good job of conveying my opinion clearly pertaining Yaz. Of course he should be a HOFer. But I do put him in the category of other players like Brooks Robinson and Phil Niekro. All three of these guys deserve to be in, but there are question marks pertaining each one of them. As Peter posted previously, Yaz only hit .260 on the road for his career. The real point I was trying to make on the original post of the thread, is it's baffling as to why his rookie card commands the price it does in extremely high grade. The mystique of playing in Boston and Fenway for almost a quarter of a century has to play a huge part in it.

Yaz
 

Yaz stats were inflated in Fenway for a couple of reasons. Obviously, the park is great for left-handed hitters AND managers in those days were reluctant to pitch left-handers in Fenway (which is not very smart, but whatever) which meant Yaz faced a majority of right-handed pitching. His splits were vastly superior against right-handed pitching and he faced them 75% of the time. Compare that to someone like Reggie Jackson who faced right-handers only 65% of the time.

AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB AVG OBP SLG
vs RHP 8973 1459 2684 537 38 374 1413 1499 .299 .398 .492
vs LHP 3015 357 735 109 21 78 431 346 .244 .321 .371

You have to weigh the Fenway Park stats with the fact the era he played in favoured pitchers and reach a conclusion.

Obviously, enough voters ignored the Fenway Park factor and felt he was an obvious Hall of Famer. He compiled over 3000 hits and 400 homeruns in an era when that meant something.

His RC probably commands a high price because he is a HOFer and he played for a popular team. Really, there are very few HOF RC's from the 50's and 60's that do not command a high price.

check out psa 7 yaz rc's completed on ebay

He has become an investment-type card it seems.

No. It is because if you are a collector of key rookie cards, then he is one of the few Hall of Famers with cards in the sixties. It doesn't mean Yaz would be considered a top Hall of Famer by baseball standards. Let's separate the hobby side of his popularity from the sporting side. I am not saying he is not popular, but you seem to be insinuating that he is thought of as one baseball's most revered players, bc he played for the Red Sox.

It is trading like an asset class. I definitely agree with you on this. Extremely high correlation.

One of the few?
Define few.

Yaz
McCovey
Williams
Santo
Marichal
Perry
Brock
Stargell
(Rose)
Niekro
Hunter
Perez
Morgan
Carlton
Sutton
Jenkins
Palmer
Carew
Seaver
Bench
Ryan
Fingers
Jackson

Not a small number by my standards.

Wow Lou Gehrig was a BEAST on the road (and at home)!

I know a few old Yankee fans and they remember him as great. One has told me that it was his favorite player. Blasphemy I know..... I wonder what his numbers in Yankee stadium were?

Yes, but how many on this list would you want before Yaz?

Seaver, Bench, Ryan, Jackson

And then Yaz? Where would he rank? Top 25%, 50%?

Hey guys,

This discussion is approaching the "ridiculous".

Forget the numbers, or whatever gobbly-gook some of you are saying against Yaz being a HOFer.

Yaz is one of only two post-WWII ballplayers who have stepped into the "footprints" of a legend and succeeded in Baseball.

The other guy is Mantle...... Incidently guys, I am not a Red Sox fan.

If you stop for a moment to consider the importance of what I am stating here, you will realize how significant this factor is
in sports. Many have tried, and failed. I cannot think of any other ballplayers having succeeded in this situation to the extent
that Yaz and Mantle did.



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TED Z
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Carew (high number, 7 batting titles). Rose. Morgan. So for me Yaz is at best 8th on the 60s list.

And while they overlapped with Yaz moving to first or DH, whereas Yaz never played with Ted, a pretty decent player named Jim Rice took over in left field in turn for Yaz.

Well, since all of these rookie cards are relatively equal to obtain, I assume that if the 1960 Yaz is ranked that highly, it is because that he is considered a more superior ball player than the rest(ex: Carew batting titles). This goes back to my original point of Yaz being a worthy Hall of Famer, and that he didn't just get in on popularity. Otherwise, how would his card be ranked higher than 50% of the Hall of Famers that you listed.

Ted: didn't Brock essentially take over for Musial? I think Musial was still playing a lot of left field his last year.