T206 R B SHEINER Wagner
 

wagner and ty cobb have had had them for a while...,....would like to see if their authentic ????/??someday???????

They are not !

Nice touch though putting a rubber stamp on an incredibly rare Piedmont back Wagner

wagner .... R B SHREINER
 

what makes you so sure ....

yeah, you tell him!!

wagner .... R B SHREINER
 

the ty cobb MIGHT BE

Sorry man....but that Cobb looks like it came off a dot-matrix printer. The picture on it isn't sharp at all, the whole thing looks fuzzy.

Probably the fact that they aren't real? People on this board aren't idiots.

wagner .... R B SHREINER
 

I HAVE SEEN THE SAME CARD SOLD FOR $$$$THOUGH I believe the one that sold was the fake $$$$ @ an online auction site" goooolden" the TY Cobb...King of the tobacco World though the Wagner ?????

Ty cobb
 

I have had them both under micro scopes the wagner Is the marginal call

Ty cobb
 

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Ty cobb
 

look @ that wrinkle ...

Unnatural wear but if you don't believe what people on a forum say, submit them for grading.

Something looks extremely off about both the front and the back on both cards. Font, color and size looks goofy.

Paper stock looks off.

Wagner the redish/pink variation?

This looks like a bad eBay listing. If you wanted to be taken seriously perhaps better quality pictures of both cards and displaying them separate at view-able angles would be a start.

The Wagner isn't even the right color, it's way too dark.

Ty cobb
 

back wrinkle

Here's a bunch of real Cobbs...
https://www.google.com/search?q=ty+c...ORLTAN2T0JM%3A

Notice how clear and sharp they all are? See how yours compares to these? Yours is fuzzy and grainy.

Yes, there was once a Cobb with a Ty Cobb back that sold for big money. But it was real.

As for the Wagner, there's no pinkish-orangish variation of that card I'm afraid.

Hope you didn't spend too much for these, but if you feel all of us are wrong, just send them in for grading and let us know how it turns out.

Wow a raw Wagner and Cobb back introduced to the hobby on the same day. Perhaps this will be known as the Net54 find. I'd say it's time to send them off to PSA and cash that lottery ticket. Nice find.

wagner .... R B SHREINER
 

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Yeah, these are bad fakes. Hope you didn't pay much for them, and also hope you didn't use google to find a card forum to try and rip someone off. Nothing personal but this is what I think every time someone joins the forum just to show off some reprints. Ironically this is the worst place on the internet to try and sell a fake tobacco card.

some are very questionable?

Sand is less grainy than that Wagner.

Your Cobb card is a reprint of this one. Notice the creases are identical. As already said, I hope you didn't pay too much.

You have a better chance of being hit by lightning on the same day that you win the lottery than the odds of finding both of these cards together.

But the back wrinkle ???/?\

Or something.

Tom C

.....or a Cobb/Lenox.

Ty cobb
 

.did you see good pictures of The Ty Cobb that sold for 100,000+++total strike out 123 1the lettering on the back was missing parts where the wrinkle is on my card 2 the plastic on the case looked snowy 3 ........I have the same card pictured that G auctions Sold.....

:D

I would suggest listing them in the BST Live Auction section of the forum. The members here rarely agree about anything. Start them out at 99 cents each.
The sky's the limit on Net54.:rolleyes:

Ty cobb
 

how dose the back look what is the yellow tint

Ty cobb
 

is that your card ....I would like to see it next to mine...

And thank God the grammar and spelling police aren't around!!

We can see them next to each other....your card is the poor copy.

Peter chao? If the op would show us a picture of your bedroom... We would be able to much more accurately assess your card !

Perhaps if he submits them to PSA they will come back "? AUTHTCT ..............

It puts the lotion on the cards.

I'm not sure how many ways it has to be said. Yours is a very poor copy of the one that sold at Goldin. That was the original. Yours is the fake.

The Wagner is so bad it might not even be a copy of an original. That one might be just a distressed reprint as opposed to your Cobb which is a distressed copy of an actual card.

Tom C

I like how half of the Wagner, in the original picture, is basically blocked out by the other holder....

I like how the back stamp survived the paper loss that is underneath it.

This has to be a joke....

We're here, Leon. You get a noobie pass on your first thread.:)

May I be the first to welcome you to the forum. What else do you collect? Any lower priced stuff for those of us without deep pockets?;)

Ty cobb
 

the comma is so pronounced in the damage of the one you show......

A Goudey Lajoie
A 1914 Cracker Jack Mathewson
And 3 or 4 1952 Topps Mantles

Is this a joke, or do you actually believe these cards are real? If the latter is true, why waste time trying to convince a forum? If I believed I found the two most valuable cards in the hobby in a raw state, my first call would be to PSA to set up an appointment for their walk through service. My second would be to book a flight to southern California, assuming you don't already live here.

wagner .... R B SHREINER
 

???

I am appalled at the answers here. I will offer 500k for the pair. However, I may have to go purchase a couple monopoly games to secure proper loot for the transaction.

And Joe Jackson....he was in there too. It's unbelievable!!

I think lieaware is really lieunaware.

I think he's confusing Friday the 13th with April Fools Day.

Lieaware is an interesting choice for a name.

Jesse, good point. Exactly what is the endgame? Is it
1- You genuinely believe the cards are real? If so, have them graded. They'll be worth at least half a million dollars.

2- You want our opinion of the cards? If so, stop arguing with us. We've given you our opinion: they're fakes.

3- You came here to sell them? In that case, list them on the BST board. And please, include a price. I hate to be the one to begin the negotiations.

I'd agree with this. And this particular poster is turning a blind eye to everything he's being told, is ignoring all evidence and still insists his cards are real. That's a very scammer-like quality in my opinion. Honestly, not only are they fakes, they're obvious and poorly done fakes at that. Nobody here is going to be fooled by these.

Cf4?
 

Charlie Faust the 4th?

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I think he approached the wrong forum for whatever silly game he is plotting, probably listing these cards on Ebay showing some kind of endorsement from us that they are authentic. Right. What a loser. Note that he joined us, gosh, this month.

This has got to be a joke! Right??

I actually have another card with the same back stamp. I posted about it a while ago to see if others were out there. It was authenticated and slab bed by SGC.

Was the back stamp on yours under or over the paper loss?


If I had to guess whether the OP is a scammer or frightened because they paid big bucks for fake cards, my guess would be neither. My guess would be that s/he is a troll, just looking to start something here.

Which, well, worked.

I guess I left out a third option. He knows they're fakes and was hoping he would fool this site. Kind of like printing fake $100 bills and taking them straight to the secret service. If they'll pass here they should fool anyone.

Ya'll are being trolled.

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I will scan the back of my Mullin T206 with the same stamp tonight.

wagner .... R B SHREINER
 

I was just doing some research and someone on the site wanted to see a post about them???

+1

No, actually not a troll. I just spoke with him (David). This was a small gamble (fortunately) that didn't (and won't) pay off.

Must you continue being a jerk?

So instead of the Cobb/Edwards Wagner is this the Cobb/Anda Wagner?

Matt

Assuming what he told you is true the OPs comments are still strange to say the least. He seemed much more interested in trying to convince us they were real than seeking opinions. I think that's why most assumed this was a scam or just a joke.

Speaking of which, where and how is Barry Sloate? Haven't heard anything in awhile. Miss his posting.

Robert, you opened the door with this comment.

He Was Just Here
 

I just saw a post by him...it could have been this thread. He certainly has been missed. He is a wealth of knowledge and his auction and set sale catalogs were always a welcomed find in the mailbox !!

Barry's auctions are certainly missed....would love to participate in another one of his phone auctions :)

Barry has not posted to Net54 since July 10th of last year.

This is my Mullin card with same stamp. Looks like the stamp was placed after it was unglued, as well. Huh.

Quite clearly they stole a scan of the back of your card to make the fake Wagner. The glue stain is exact as is the stamp placement.

However, I have never shown the stamp in public before. I wrote about it before to find othesr with the same stamp, but never uploaded a pic.

I'm certainly no expert on the authenticity of tobacco cards.

However, the T206 online database has scans of most of the Wagners that have come up for sale in the last twenty of so years and I did not see that background color on any of them.

As far as the Cobb is concerned, someone had earlier pointed out that the exact wrinkles were on another Cobb...and the Ty Cobb Tobacco back is the rarest of all Cobb backs.

What are the odds of someone inquiring about two of the most sought-after cards ever and acting as if they don't know it.

well LOL to you, sir ....now, Move along...nothing to see here...

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How long have you owned the card? Where did you obtain it? It's clearly obvious that the back is exactly the same as yours.

I got it off if eBay around 1999. Sent it in to SGC in 2004.

Someone must have made the repro before you got it if you've never posted it to the internet.