Taking a break from the hobby (and that is why I hate .99 cent auctions!)
 

Hello all. Due to some unforeseen circumstances on my part, I am going to be taking a little break from the hobby. I am putting up my personal collection on Ebay (the easy stuff that I am able to do myself) and then consigning the rest to some of the big boys. I wanted to thank all the great friends I made on here, and if anyone is interested in anything, please check out my auctions.

Sorry to hear that; good luck with the sales.

Hope your circumstances improve! What is your eBay ID? I'll check out the ones you post there.

wandw-auctions

Thank you so much.

I'm starting tonight on listing some stuff and will trying my best to get as much as I can during the next few month. I got quite a bit, so bear with me.

Robert- I hope you get back soon...I'll check out your ebay items as soon as you post your ebay id.


Good Luck,
Raymond

OOPS! Everyone types faster than me.

Good luck with the sales Bobby. I'm glad to hear it's only a break. Look forward to your return. Take care till then!

I just followed you - definitely keep an eye out. Best of luck to you.

This is personal collection stuff/stuff I recently accumulated. I went to the safe and grabbed the stuff that I was working on. A lot of low grade collector cards that I collected. You can also see what I personally collected, that not too many people knew about because I didn't want the competition (lol).

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sorry..not seeing anything come up on ebay for that ?

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I did the same thing a year or so ago...sold my 50's sets to adopt another child...bought a classic car...ect...haha. Anyhow, I didn't know if I would get back in but the focus may have left...actually for over a year completely forgotten, but it didn't die. My wife bought me a 1960 Mantle for Christmas...and vualla...I am back in set collecting and loving it. I guess I felt compelled to post here because I wanted you to know that leaving and coming back felt great and I'm having more fun than ever. Strange picking up cards I sold off...but I do find that I am WAY more picky this go around. I do love this hobby but have others as well...

Anyways...enjoy the break and hope to have you back...cycles of life and sometimes other demands just require more focus. Good luck to you...

Good Luck, we have all had to do that at one time or another

Jimmy

Thanks everyone!

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we shall see.....

I don't have any bigger pieces. I do have some that I find hard to part with (Jim Brown rookie), but for the most part, everything will be out there.

Had some good times
 

Bobby, I wish this weren't the case. We kept it interesting for a while going in on some cards. That Namath rookie comes to mind, we sure rolled the dice on that one!

lol...Hey Jason! I wish we still had that one. We might have let that one go a little prematurely, as the prices on that one sure has risen up since we sold ours. All Star Cards alone is paying $1250 for that card, no fees, and Ebay buyers would be salivating at the mouth to get that one!

Several of your listing the cards are SGC slabbed "A" "AUTH" but in your description of the card you say they are Near Mint or EX/MT. Why weren't these cards given a number grade?
Larry

Those were the kinds of cards I went after Larry. I liked nice looking cards that had some kind of "issue" with them. You got them at a nice discount compared to the look. They were actually pretty difficult to find, as a few of the dealers (everyone knows who they are) actually snapped them up and sold them as raw, and received substantially more money. I am worried that that is what is going to happen with these. Usually there was an issue that SGC wouldn't give a number grade. Trimming, color touch, erased pencil mark, etc. I have also had "A" cards measure up correctly turn around and get a number grade on a subsequent submission.

Trimming, color touch, erased pencil mark, etc describe cards in Poor condition, not Near Mint.
Larry

Hi Bobby, sorry to hear about this. Hopefully, this will just be a short break and you'll be back in the hobby soon.

Thanks Gary. I knew I should have stayed out of the pool hall! :p

I was giving the eye appeal "appearance" of a card. You can have a trimmed card appear near mint. Hell, even the PSA card with the lowest cert appears NM! :p

Seriously though. I am describing what the cards eye appeal level appears to be. Not all trimmed cards are in "poor"" shape! I actively pursued these types of cards. I am sure others do too.

i have a hard time believing u will be able to stay away from this board!

Gotta say I bit confused . I've takin a break from the hobby myself . I just put my stuff in the closet and didn't buy and new stuff . Then a year or two later I jump back in . You could take a break and keep your stuff imo.

there is some wide use of the term NM etc....funny if all card were raw , there would be 10000x more returns on ebay about 'item not described'

however as it has been discussed on this board...it is not uncommon for graded 'A' cards to sell for far more than '1's or even '2'+s due to eye appeal....'poor' if deemed a purpose of a graded '1' for valuation would not be accurate on a nice 'A' that would sell for a higher price than a '1' etc

Exactly...I rather have a nice looking "A" than a beat up "1" (Poor) card any day of the week, and twice on Sunday!! However, I am sure I am in the minority.

I see what both you and Larry are saying. In some cases it is more obvious that the card is trimmed, but others not so much (the '48 Bowman Feller?). And for the more 'obvious' cases of why it's authentic (and didn't receive a grade), I have no problem not explicitly being told. The large scans help a lot there!

What I (as a buyer) would prefer though would be something like:
"The card appears to be NM but was graded Authentic due to color retouching." Just my 2 cents. That said... I know it was graded A for SOME reason, so I bid accordingly if I can't tell what that reason might be. :)

Some very nice cards in any case. Good luck. As someone else posted, when you do get back in, you'll have a different outlook and will probably be surprised at the items that you sold which you don't miss.

Point taken. Some are obvious (the Yaz is trimmed). Others not so much. I don't pretend to be an expert. I'm pretty good, but things like that, I'm not good at at all. I once cracked an 'A' card out because it measured up and another grader gave it a '5' (MC)!!! I just describe it the way I know how, and bidders can blow up the scans really big and see for themselves.

I hear you on "not missing" any cards!! Time will tell!

Ditto--your posts were always among the very most knowledgeable and valuable. I'll miss them! Like you, I don't often like to reveal the object(s) of my hunts, because I don't want the competition either.

Best wishes,

Larry

Good luck to you, Bobby. I hope that eventually you'll be able to come back to the hobby.

Uh-oh....Pending issue right out the gate!!

Schleprock

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LOL. I think he wants someone to take interest and ask what happened. I will take the bait.

Robert, what is the problem you have encountered?

I'm taking a break from the board too.
Gonna go make myself a ham sandwich. See you guys back here in a few minutes...

LMAO, me too, I am leaving the board....
I am getting up to walk into the kitchen to get some more coffeee.

I'm giving the board member time to complete the transaction. I have sold plenty of cards where the buyer wins them for a song and I have ALWAYS shipped them out. It's the first I've heard that a buyer is upset that his snipe got bid up too high and he doesn't wish to pay that high of a price for the card.

I still can't see anything in your eBay store, active or sold.

Cause you are international. My stuff only shows up stateside.

So a bidder set a snipe on your auction, won it, and now doesn't want to pay. And this bidder is a board member?

Why bring this up at all? If you want to give the bidder a chance to complete that's fine but then what was the point of posting this?

Maybe so that the buyer will see this and it will motivate him to pay and the situation won't have to go any further.

I am that bidder! Didnt see this until now, so I will try and clear the air with an unambiguous post.

I set a snipe on a few of Robert's cards but one particular one I accidentally added an extra digit to it, unknowingly (the 3 digit number is a common one that I have to use, so I'm guessing it was muscle memory). Either way, my 2 digit bid turned into a hefty 3 digit bid. Obviously I wasn't going to lose the auction with this bid (mathematically my bid would be at least 10x larger). I ended up winning the auction for about 65% more than VCP, while setting a new record for said card's grade. The card is stellar looking, so it may be worth... to someone... just not me.

I explained this to Robert and asked him if he minded maybe seeing if any of the underbidders would like to buy it as a Second Chance. He deflected and told me that I got a great deal because it's an awesome card (which again it is). I asked again for some understanding, even pulled the "net54 member" card. He told me that I had 7 days to pay and if I didnt that I would be given a Did Not Pay strike and banned from his auctions and "Do you really want to be blocked from our auctions when we are going to be giving all sorts of stuff away in the next few months??". I have since offered to compensate the difference if he could find an underbidder willing to buy it. I made a mistake, but if he could help fix or alleviate it, then I would gladly compensate him for his troubles. He obviously doesnt have to help me out at all, but maybe he will, so I asked, and it looks like his initial post was made just minutes after I did so, so I don't knwo if it was directed at me, or meant to be bait for someone else. Either way, here I am making a post to clear the air. (Which I really didnt think warranted this much attention)

I have 7 days to pay for the card. The "pending issue" was me asking for him to take some time and help me out. I never said that I wouldn't pay for the item. I definitely dont do this habitually and this is the first time that I can recall asking for some understanding from a seller. I would have simply paid for the item and took the "loss" but I figured that being a fellow board member that Robert would be understanding and take a few minutes to send out 2 or 3 Second Chance offers. And again, he's not obligated to do that at all.

That's the pending issue... which is still pending. :D

Life is too short to shove a card down someone's throat. Particularly a fellow board member. I think most people here would just accept Steve's explanation and move on.

I have never heard of a single time when forcing a sale through eBay worked out for the seller. Heard a lot of bad stories how items get destroyed and then item not as described cases being opened against the seller though.

Irrespective of that it's just bad manners and bad karma. The man made a mistake, let it go, you still have the card and you will find another buyer. If you lose a few bucks in the process, so it goes.

Yep. And, I imagine getting one "Did Not Pay" strike probably doesn't affect an ebay buyer too harshly either.

you sound like you stepping up but offering to pay the difference and also willing to just pay......i just want to add that if i ever received a 2nd chance offer from a seller i never buy it...i also really downgrade the seller in my eyes as he could be legit..or he could just be using a shill and 'won' the card by accident....if someone won one of my aucitons i wouldnt do a 2nd chance auction to the underbidder for those reasons..

Those were the seller's concerns as well. I understand them.

I have bought through 2nd Chance offers before. In this case though, his/your concerns would probably match that of any underbidder. The card went for a record high, so it definitely would spook suspicion to anyone receiving said offer as to why the record breaker did want to buy it.

I feel as though we will come to some mutual agreement after our initial disagreement/issue.

No one has ever accused the op of taking the less winding road. I bet he got rock hard reading as you were explaining your situation.

Of course it wouldve been too simple just cancelling the transaction...but then if the board didnt know about it, was there any drama at all?

Mistakes happen
 

You should cut the guy some slack and move on. If this becomes a pattern i am sure he would end up blocked by many on Net54 but a single mistake I know i have made more than 1 in my lifetime.

and since when is it ok to advertise sales on the front page?

and all sales of modern cards at that.

It's not ok to sell things on the front page. This has been mentioned and is on the radar. I should add I see talk about selling but not specifics or links....

Post 10.

That is the cruelest cut of all!

This is exactly why I don't do 2nd Chance offers either, unless it is an item that I clearly could and do have multiples of the exact same item. That wouldn't be the case with graded cards.

My suggestion, if he is willing to work with you, is to run the item at auction again and allow you to just pay the difference between what it sells for the second time and what you won it for. The second time around will be less, but if you're paying the difference, wouldn't be as much a concern for him.

I might also say I sympathize somewhat with the seller, as it's no fun to think you just got a record-high price for something, only to get sucker-punched with a renege or accusation of shilling. Even if he successfully wades through the muck to the other side of the deal, all that added work and negotiation takes a bit of the shine off of the initial high of the sale. I've been there plenty of times, and just wished the winner had stayed out of it to begin with so that the underbidder would have won it at a lesser, but still satisfying, price.

Seriously?

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=220338

As far as the situation with Bobby and Steve, I've dealt with both of them and think they're both great guys. Hope it works out for both.

I disagree. Take the board member at his word. Cancel the transaction, no questions or repercussions, and move on.

Not anymore. I hadn't had enough coffee and actually didn't even think about it until this morning when I got a PM from another member....but still didn't see the link :( . Sorry about that....

Sorry for all the drama. Some people think I like drama. I really don't. I am actually rather quiet and quite reserved. Thanks everyone for your support.

Some of us would define that as drama.

PS - I have always sold and delivered a card, no matter how.cheaply it sold for (case in point - the 1954 Bowman Ted Williams that sold for a song during EBay's problematic time). Is it too much to ask a winning buyer to honor his transaction? All the major auction houses have wordage in their catalogs even stating that they can't allow retractions. Since when did we get to be so carefree that cancelling bids and not honoring winning bids is now deemed acceptable practice?

He explained that he made a mistake. What's the point of forcing it down his throat if he doesn't want it at that price? I would think the vast majority of people here would just say ok whatever. I could be wrong of course.

Why put yourself through the drama? I'm a seller on ebay, but have learned it's a buyer's playground, you play by their rules or else. The last time I tried to hold a guy to his bid by threatening to give him a NPB strike he paid and immediately gave me a negative. Not worth the hassle. Cancel the transaction and relist, it's healthier.

Hypocrisy
 

One thing I've learned about this board. You can take two nearly identical situations and people's opinions will change based on who the board members are.

Though I don't agree with you basically running a BST thread on the main board, I agree with you that the buyer is obligated to pay.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/...ew.html#paying

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Nobody including Steve himself is disputing the "obligation" to pay. The question is what is the right thing to do. Bob has the option to cancel the transaction and IMO that is what he should do.

+1. You are an astute man David James! I have noticed that as well myself.

The card in question was a 1961 Topps Juan Marichal rookie card (PSA 6). As far as regular Topps issues go, this is one of the most off centered cards I know of (as well as the 1959 Bob Gibson). The winning buyer seemed to be quite hung up on VCP average and not wanting to get ripped off (which the average is around $66). Being a VCP member myself, I explained to him that all the cards selling for VCP average or less, are HORRENDOUSLY off centered, to the tune of 80/20 or worse, usually favoring the extreme left or right border. If you notice any of the cards selling for more than that, all of them are centered halfway decent. The selling prices range from $90-$105 for cards that are centered half-way decent. That being said, he overpaid by a whopping $9! Doesn't have to be 50/50, just better than the usual horrible ones I am seeing. The buyer didn't want to hear that. He thought $66 was gonna win it. I am not a fan of problematic auctions for the exact reasons two other members have stated. One of the underbidders is one of the premiere PSA graded card "flippers" on EBay. Do I want to risk alienating his future business (he bids on alot of my stuff) by letting him think that this particular auction was shilled?? Hell no! I will probably send him a 2nd chance anyway, and hope for the best, as I really hate starting over from scratch.

And yes, that was a valid question - does he really want to be blocked for overpaying by $9????? I block all non-paying bidders - I sure as hell will block one for doing what he is doing (which in my opinion is worse, because he should know better).

Well really most everyone is acting like it's a foregone conclusion that he should just forget it and move on. As David said, unfortunately it seems the reaction to this "drama" depends on who is on each side.

Agreed.....depending on the parties involved, you get different stories. I have asked the buyer to cancel the transaction. It will probably be relisted when I get my Clemente and Aaron rookie back from PSA, as I like to group all my rookies together. Hopefully it will do well the 2nd go round as well. I wish he had never "sniped" as it totally ruined the auction. It might also mess up my future dealings with the underbidders. I know you can change/cancel snipes up until the last 3 minutes. If he knew that he put in a $666 snipe, why didn't he just change or cancel it????????

Bob you did the right thing, IMO. I hope the card does fine next time.

Our stories are both 100% correct, our interpretations are different though.

You see my bid as a great deal and one I should be obligated to pay, no matter the circumstances.
I see my bid as a mistake, a mistake that I was hoping you would understand and help me out. (I don't deny the obligation to pay)

In the end, I am thankful that you cancelled the transaction. So there is a thanks due; thanks.

As for the snipe... I obviously didnt realize that my bid was ridiculously high or I would have changed it. The whole point of a snipe is to not have to watch the item. It's like the old commercial for rotisserie oven, "set it and forget it." I don't know why you continue to think that I knew my bid was incorrect and I simply let it be. (Also, GavelSnipe.com recently increased their bid-change policy to 10 minutes, which is the service I use.)

Lastly, I'm going to doubt (though I could be wrong) that any underbidders are going to be deterred by the relisting. Maybe you should send them a message telling them that the card is going back up for auction because the top bidder was a no-good-for-nothing bidder. Obviously you have some sort of repertoire or relationship with one of them since you know he is one of the "premiere PSA graded card flippers on EBay". That's a rather notorious badge to put on another user without knowing them in some sort of way.

But in the end, I do have to thank you for cancelling the transaction as you didnt have to. So for that I am grateful and I appreciate it. I also apologize for making my mistake on the snipe.

Steve - what is your eBay name so I can block you?

Turn.er E.ngle

Haha! This is turning out to be an insidious execution of a sale of non-vintage items on the front page vintage section. Strike one, 2 three you should be out and so should this thread be .

leaving the hobby for a $9 dispute seems ridiculous, but

not paying $75 for a $9 mistake seems just as ridiculous.

I'd call it a draw.

Sent to ya.

I'm not a huge spender on cards, but I do push the 4-figure mark each month. So over paying for 1 certain card was not a huge issue. I simply reached out to Robert explaining that this one time that I made a mistake and if he could in anyway help me out, that I would appreciate it.

Unfortunately he decided to make a private matter on eBay into a public matter on a separate platform, making a post and changing the title of this thread. Maybe I added fuel to the fire by replying to it, but I wanted to clear the air on what was happening. Our stories nearly perfectly coincide, just our interpretations differ.

I never said that I wouldn't pay. I simply, and kindly, asked for any help and understanding in my mistake. He didnt have to obliged. But he has, so kudos to him.

I think you comported yourself just fine. And in the end Bob did the right thing too, and deserves respect for doing so.

Peter, I usually agree with about 95% of the stuff you post here. I like you and respect you as a board member. However, this is one of those 5% times you are wrong.

Both parties should do the right thing IMO. Bobby did his part by cancelling the sale (even though he did nothing wrong). However, Steve should make good here too. Here's how:

The card sold for $114. Bobby should re-list the card and Steve should pay Bobby the difference between the $114 and what the cards sells for the second time around. For example, if the card sells for $90, Steve should pay Bobby $24, the difference between the two auctions.

After all, there is an under bidder in all this that nobody is considering that was willing to pay up to $111.50 for the card. Therefore, Bobby shouldn't lose money the second time around.

I agree that would be an appropriate gesture on Steve's part.

Yes, I did make a generalization oh here, but I had no.intention of calling Steve out, even when it was obvious he wasn't going to pay. He is the one that announced his part in the transaction. In addition to selling, I am also a buyer (well, more so before I decided to take a break). It never crosses my mind to not pay for an auction I win, no matter what. Maybe I think differently than most. I also announced my break before this auction. This is one of the sells made during my opening purge.