Goodwin preview with bids already placed?
 

Could some one explain how the current Goodwin auctions is up for preview, but yet there are bids placed? Auction isn't supposed to open until tomorrow. Here is an example http://www.goodwinandco.com/1909_11_...-LOT32072.aspx

DJ

Goodwin
 

Very disappointed in this. I placed a bid because it says it was open. Then I got an outbid email and went to bid again and locked out. Says it's a preview now. Hmmm....

i assume they will reset the bids to zero

Those are just the house bids!

I'm one of the bidders who was already able to place a couple bids in the Goodwin auction. Basically, I logged into the site to check it out, and noticed that you could place bids even though it was supposed to be only in Preview mode, so I put my usual placeholder bids in. Not sure why they would reset the bids to 0. That would just cause confusion to those who already placed bids to suddenly get their bids retracted by the auction house.

well they would reset it so the auction starts to when they said the auction starts...

This was a mistake on my part and I apologize to all. Bill had asked me to put the auction in preview and I accidentally opened it for auction for about an hour. All bids will stay in place and it will open up again either tomorrow or Tuesday. Please accept my apologies once again

Bob Freedman
CEO, Simple Auction Site

Extremely unprofessional to start an auction before the stated auction time...auction houses go to great lengths to explain when an auction ends..and makes warnings that an auction may end sooner than a certain time..

however i guess auctions can start whenever they want...

What difference does it make? In the end the high bid is going to win and everyone will have plenty of time to bid. Seems like Bob made a mistake and quickly corrected it and that should be that.

A mistake was made, I am sure you have made them in your work as well. No need to make any more of it than that.

If someone makes a high bid on the same bidding slot as someone that was going to bid when the auction opens it makes a difference.......the person that is following the rules now may not be able to win the item for what would of been the potential winning price and loses that opportunity....an 'correcting' it doest mean stopping bidding..it means resetting the bids....you cant argue otherwise

Theres a difference....i have made mistakes at work that i couldnt change ...you have the ability to start all the bids at zero and the auction acually begins at the stated time that you have set.....it was really a bad comparison to say that that I make mistakes at work because you still have the ability to correct the mistake.....not sure how anyone is harmed but just starting the auction just as you stated with all bids starting at zero.

......i wish i had the ability to correct past mistakes.....it actually wouldnt even be a mistake if you just corrected it now..it really no bid deal to it i would think but maybe the software doesnt let you ..

There are usually science fiction movies about going back into the past to correct mistakes.....no time machine needed ... you can do what you want..but again not fair to say 'you made (mistakes) in your work as well. Your mistake does not even begin yet..

I doubt many people place a ceiling bid at the opening bell. I doubt even more there are lots where two people were going to do so at the same level and one has now been denied.

wont know until bidding actually starts tomorrow...but we do know the fairest thing to do is start the auction when it was supposed to start....why are you commenting about ifs and making excuses..yes its possible no harm no foul...but we dont know for sure....what we do know is a mistake was made and it can easily be corrected..whats the harm in resetting the bids.....instead of most likely no harm no foul in keeping it how it is..it would be ZERO Harm Zero foul if its reset....or am i wrong

Apology accepted
 

Bob,
Thank you. I got my placeholder bid in at least and I can understand a mistake. The measure of a man is not in if he makes a mistake, but how he reacts to it. So thank you and this should have no bearing on the final results.
Jake,
You need to cut a little slack. Stuff happens. At least he didn't hide behind a bunch of excuses.

The man made a mistake as he explained. Life goes on. It seems it would generate a lot more confusion to start cancelling everyone's bids. It will be fine.

right he made a correctable mistake...like goes on...can do what he wants...but dont deny its correctable.....runs a great auction and does a great job..

i just wish in life my mistakes were correctable to a point that the mistake disappears...maybe im envious..

Totally agree with Peter here, in the end, the highest bid will win.

This might help correct some mistakes

Would help on a lot of your posts for sure! But you do not think the 1991 Eagles NFL defense is one of the top defenses of all time so you lose all credibility right there

Ive won a bunch of auctions when my high bid got tied by someone elses and that person refused to bid the next bidding slot (which could be $1000+)..im sure those guys that lost on a tied bid wished they could of bid a day before the auction started..

easy to say 'highest bid will win' of course if you are willing to overpay you can always win but why bid more than you have too?

I don't think, I know they weren't. They were one of the best in Eagles history though.

Some damn good players on that Eagle team. Reggie White, Andre Waters, Eric Allen, Clyde Simmons, Jerome Brown. Not the Steelers, but pretty formidable.

also left out seth joyner..also Mike Pitts..william thomas (two pro bowls)

I believe they only gave up one more point than the 1977 Steeler team in 2 less games but i can be wrong

Andre Waters, such a tragic story. Yet another victim of traumatic brain injury.

reggie white died too quickly too. and Jerome Brown........

They gave up 106 more points than the '76 steelers. You chose to pick the steelers worst year from the mid 70's

in 2 less games..and the redskins in the Eagles division that they had to play twice was the superbowl and led the league in points..plus the Cowboys had double digit wins...their divison had better teams that year offensiviely versus the steelers...(so i guess i was right about the 77) ..plus the fact offenses scored more points in the 90s then the 70s.....

so not so easy just to say 106 points more allowed than the 76 steelers.......

eagles had 2 more games, harder division, more offensive decade etc....

i have not read the entire thread simply because i got bored real quick because of the following..

jake,

in the watercooler section, weren't you the one sticking up for sean because he made a simple error. blasted the op for "trolling for pricing errors" and said that everyone makes errors, blah blah blah.

i just found it quite odd and boring that you immediately started throwing rocks at someone else for making a similar mistake when you so vehemently defended others for making a "simple mistake".

pick a side and stick to it.

don't bother writing up a long thesis about how the 2 mistakes are different.

i said what i needed to say and no longer care.

Goodwin
 

+1

[QUOTE=begsu1013;1507002]i have not read the entire thread simply because i got bored real quick because of the following..

jake,

in the watercooler section, weren't you the one sticking up for sean because he made a simple error. blasted the op for "trolling for pricing errors" and said that everyone makes errors, blah blah blah.

i just found it quite odd and boring that you immediately started throwing rocks at someone else for making a similar mistake when you so vehemently defended others for making a "simple mistake".

pick a side and stick to it.

don't bother writing up a long thesis about how the 2 mistakes are different
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if you make a criticism you can expect a response especially when what you said is untrue

'WHERE DID I BLAST THE OP for pricing errors you said "trolling for pricing errors" ..show me the posts--- i guess you just like making up things that people say.... (i think it was KCRfan made the post you are referring to which i made no mention too)

the are two totally different situations, if you sell a 1952 mantle for 5 dollar list price its a 'mistake' but you can correct it and list the card at the real price ...if you list an auction is going to start on a Monday and you start it on a Sunday you can also fix that mistake and change the auction to a Monday

my arguments are not inconsistent at all...i think just about everyone agreed with what Sean did as well by the way by not selling the cards at the mistake prices ....i guess you were the one that didn't ..its not like i was arguing a minority opinion there..

this thread may be a different story as far as public opinion..and like i said the AH can do what they want and is a good AH overall...its just so simple to fix the mistake and start the auction tomorrow like they said they would...no biggee...

yep.

+1

I'm OUTRAGED!

How can they do that?!?

Wait, what? Someone on the internet said something mean about someone? I'm OUTRAGED! How can they say that?

Envious or something. That might be one of the most harmless mistakes ever made and you go ape shi$ on him? No more coffee for you this morning (or last night :)).

It is outright foolish to say opening an auction before the announced time makes no difference. It probably doesn't make a difference when your bidding on a friend's auction, or in the hammer price, but sure makes a difference who wins it.


Mistakes can happen, and I don't believe there is an easy fix.

Another Goodwin question: did anyone get a print catalog?

I guess I am foolish.

This is so silly.
 

I have seen countless auctions start before the announced date over the years. Getting bent out of shape over a mistake is foolish and the response by a certain individual is rude and just makes you look like a jerk.

Wow, I just became high bidder on 15 different lots and I'm sure nothing will stick at the current level. But, to those upset, please feel free to boycott the auction. Also, let's hear from anyone who could not get a bid in because of the false opening. The board is a good sample, IMO.

bid
 

I got a bid in during the "soft opening" for lack of a better term. I was outbid and went to re-up and was locked out saying it was a preview. it is now back open and I placed a bid and it went through. No harm, no foul. I am satisfied to know the reason that things happened the way they did. FOR ME, and I can't speak for anyone else, this will not affect my outcomes in this auction by any stretch of the imagination. Again, that is for me.
I have had no problems with Goodwin in the past, or about this for that matter

Bidders won't know until the end of the auction, whether their high bid would have won, or if someone else's max has taken their "spot" due to the early opening.

If you bid now and become high bidder (as I too just did on a number of lots), then there was no max.

Then of course in that case, there would not be any difference. To make the blanket statement that it will have NO DIFFERENCE in the outcome, is pretty short sighted.

+1

Just my opinion but I think you are (almost :)) exactly 100% wrong.

Is it theoretically possible someone got in early and placed a max bid that will hold up? I suppose so, but it seems relatively unlikely. And who's to say that the same early bidder wouldn't have been first in line anyhow at the regular opening, if your supposition is that a second guy who wanted to place the same max bid was unfairly pre-empted?

i placed a few max bids and someone took the bidding slot who tok the slot before the auction opened most likely...if the persons max bid holds up and noone beats it then you see the problem.....i get it life is unfair..i am just stating that you cant say zero consequences when open an auction early...i can of course pay more than i wanted to to attempt to win the card and to see if its the max bid but why pay more than i should have had too potentially...

all i know if none of this is of any issue if auction just started when it was supposed to or just reset yesterday when advised...

i did get some other bids in that are now the high bids as well so no problems there...

i agree.....theres a rush sometimes to get that highest market value bidding slot......people wait up at night as well when auctions about to end to get that last bid in...however auction closing early can be combated by placing a max bid or on ebay a snipe bid type of thing...there is nothing that can be done in the event a auction starts early..

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and they are a board advertiser, but don't insult my intelligence.

I put in my max bid 100% of the time the very minute the auction opens. If someone had the advantage of early bidding, which was not announced, and took my slot, how is that not an unfair advantage?

How 'bout this novel idea:

If you don't like the way an auction is handling their business (i.e. shilling, opening and/or closing auctions early, too high of shipping/handling charges, too high buyer's premium, etc.), don't bid with them.

you forget that we discussed fixing the mistake before it was a mistake....there werent complaints being made afterward....there was an easy fix means.

if a listing is inaccurate for example...you can just not bid on it..or you can try to help the AH correct it if there is time... not sure its a matter of just not bidding when you can correct it..

...i know its a novel idea to try to correct a mistake before a mistake happens..

On how many lots in this auction were you outbid when you placed your maxxes this morning?

Holy Overreaction Batman!!!

I can't believe this thread is up to 50+ posts of debate, over an honest error.

I didn't forget anything. That's why I put "etc" at the end of my examples.

Thus, once again, if you don't like the way an auction house is handling their business (i.e. not fixing a mistake before it was a mistake, not fixing a mistake when it's been brought to their attention, not accepting paypal, not shipping quickly enough, not packaging properly, not paying consigners quickly enough, etc.), don't do business with the auction house.

Just two..but thats just me....i do win many auctions based on bids on my initial bids...

I do think that even if its proven that someone did lose out on an item because the auction started early you will still say that in the end its not a big deal.....if thats the case, you really do not need to keep trying to prove that there was no harm done based on no one losing out on a bid if in the end you dont care either way...

Maybe Ted outbid you. :) And since he is there the minute the auction opens, he says, he would have anyhow.

what items are you bidding on, jake?

muhaha.

xoXOxo

This is so dumb. This *might* only make a little bit of difference if you can guarantee that you will always be the first bidder in an auction when you can place your max bid and take the max "slot" that you want. However, many auctions, you have no idea what time that they will open. They may say that they will open on February 22nd, but you have no idea what time on Feb 22nd. They might open at 9am EST, 9am CST, maybe a few minutes early, maybe a few minutes late, then someone might beat you to the punch in placing their bids first. Heck, some auctions even open bidding before their stated date on purpose. Goldin Auctions used to always open on Sunday, a day before their stated Monday opening to Game Used Universe members, and offer prizes if you put in the X number bid. No one ever complained. The fact that this thread is still going on astonishes me.

Maybe I'm missing something . . do you get some kind of prize when your'e the first bidder in an auction?

(Other than, of course, being outbid fairly quickly.)

As far as I know the only prize is that, in the case of a tie, the first person to bid that amount is the winner.

Someone has their thinking cap on! This would be the only reason.


I guess most collectors, at least in this thread, get caught up with emotion, and a bidding strategy has never entered their minds.


Kudos, as ignorance truly is bliss!

+ many

Thinking caps on Net54. :eek::eek::eek:

Now that's a novel concept. :D:D

Leon, we have a new product to market.;)

Someone beat you to it


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Goodwin
 

+ infinity!

If there is one other person champing at the bit to place a bid at the earliest possible opportunity, I reckon the idea that there are only 2 bidders in the universe who will both bid the auction minimum, and not a penny more, to be so unlikely as to defy any real possibility, but I guess we can all make up situations. (Maybe one of the bidders saw there was a bid already placed and then walked outside pissed off and got hit with a meteor and didn't get to bid at all, etc.)

Early opening
 

I am outraged that someone else was able to get their shill bids in before I could get my shill bids in.

Rick

You don't understand Republicaninmass' bidding strategy....at all.

The early bird eats the mistake
 

As I have frequently stated, the best advertising is always an early mistake.

I think we all know about the Goodwin auction now.

Brian

Brian, you posts always make me laugh, and this is no exception. :D

If you guys want to pander back and forth about if it helps to bid early at an auction have at it. My belief based on previous experience is that the highest bid wins, but I've been incorrect before. The quoted statement above, however, is asinine in the most absolute form, and that's probably the most correct statement I've ever provided on this board. Bob is a gigantic asset to the hobby and his company allows many great people to make a living doing what they love. No Bob, no Sterling. No Bob, no Love of the Game. I could go on and on. Secondly, mistakes happen - billions of then everyday - the vast majority of them innocent and meaningless much like this one. He quickly admitted fault publicly and fixed the issue. Finally, after the above quoted nonsense you then continued to slam him for not removing the early bids. Spoiler alert: That isn't Bob's call. Practice your reading comprehension skills by reading the entirety of his first apology from start to finish and eventually you might figure out why.

I decided a short time ago I would quit trolling your sometimes incoherent babble, but I'm pulling down the white flag on this one. Here is a free one, think before you speak, especially if you are going to bash someone important to the hobby's growth whom you know nothing about. You have a passion for the hobby, which is great, but you ramble on incessantly in a form that appears to be speaking just the sake for speaking. That I could handle of it weren't for the numerous digs and pokes sprinkled in towards members who deserve better. I'm sure we'll cross paths again, but until then happy collecting.

Steven Finley

Will work for silent laughs
 

Thanks Daryl. I really try to do my best, but admittedly it is a low paying job.

Brian