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jimtigers65 02-15-2015 07:38 PM

Bite by three dogs...what to do?
 
Everyday I take my boxer for a walk. On Saturday morning we were on our usual route when three dogs; a pit bull, 2 collies bust out of their fenced in gate towards us. My dog and I backed peddled into the middle of the street. With the pit bull in the lead, the three dogs reached us. My boxer immediately sat. The three dogs by passed her and started to attack me. I yelled, kicked and punched with no effect. In the process the pit bull knocked me down and continued bitting. While on the ground I saw a pickup truck parked nearby. I got up and picked up my dog and ran to the truck. I threw my boxer in the bed and jumped in. The dogs continued to try to jump in the bed until they heard their owner yell "Get back here" Once they heard the owner's voice they ran home.
I waited a couple minutes (to catch my breath), secured my dog in the truck and I went to the owners house. After knocking on the door he came out and was surprised that his dogs did this. He said he was sorry. He wrote his phone number on a piece of paper and I limped home (I didn't have my cell phone with me). My clothes were torn up. I went to Urgent Care and they cleaned out the 17 bites and gave me a tetanus shot. My total bill was $25 ($12 co-pay, $13 medicine/pain killers). I went home took some pain killers and slepted.
Today, Sunday, I went to the local Police Station. They said it was a Animal Control issue. I called the number and they will get hold of me tomorrow.
Where would Net 54 members take it from here? I figure my clothes (jeans, hoodie, shoes are torn, $25 in doctor fees, and $40 for sheets). I woke up with blood stains on my sheets. So I figure a couple hunderd dollars that I am out of. But what about scaring? What to do?

vintagetoppsguy 02-15-2015 08:20 PM

An animal control issue? I've never heard of that. Sounds like the police just didn't want to get involved.

Here in Houston, the pit bull would probably be euthanized. I don't know about the collies.

I would confront the dogs owner and politely ask him to pay for your medical bills and other costs. If he refuses, maybe small claims court?

bouncer 02-15-2015 08:26 PM

If it was one bite, I would try and work it out with the dog owners. However, you were bit 17 times and imo that deserves some compensation. Once the wounds start to heal, what type of scarring will you have? Will it be short term or lifelong scars? You may want to contact a lawyer just to protect to see what your options are.

Econteachert205 02-15-2015 08:45 PM

Take pictures now, call lawyer tomorrow.

D.P.Johnson 02-15-2015 09:20 PM

I love dogs more than I love most people, but I've got no use for any dog that would just randomly attack someone like that...If one of my dogs ever did something like that, I'd get rid of them immediately...What if the next time it was a old lady or small child that couldn't defend themselves??? "F" that...Can't say I'd personally sue the guy because that's really not in my nature, but if someone sued me because my dog did something like that I'd certainly understand it...Good luck...

bnorth 02-16-2015 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by D.P.Johnson (Post 1380885)
I love dogs more than I love most people, but I've got no use for any dog that would just randomly attack someone like that...If one of my dogs ever did something like that, I'd get rid of them immediately...What if the next time it was a old lady or small child that couldn't defend themselves??? "F" that...Can't say I'd personally sue the guy because that's really not in my nature, but if someone sued me because my dog did something like that I'd certainly understand it...Good luck...

+1 perfectly said.

packs 02-16-2015 12:35 PM

Tough situation. I'm not really for getting rid of dogs. Often their behavior is a reflection of their owner, just like children. There are lots of dogs in need of good homes, so I wouldn't advocate their being taken away and euthanized.

On the other hand it's not in my nature to sue somebody either. I think a fair compromise could be sought for bills and expenses and ask that they leash their dogs at all times, or else you'll be forced to call the police / animal control.

Lastly though, I think you should document the incident in some way via law enforcement or animal control agencies. That way if this happens again there is a precedent.

EvilKing00 02-16-2015 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Econteachert205 (Post 1380872)
Take pictures now, call lawyer tomorrow.

^^^^^do this now!

BicycleSpokes 02-16-2015 03:42 PM

Bite by three dogs...what to do?
 
Sorry to hear of this. For a couple hundred dollars, I would not get a lawyer involved. Not sure about the scarring, however. Document everything, and ask the owner in writing to cover your expenses. If he won't then consider taking him to small claims court.

My own opinion is that any dog (including my own, if it ever happened) capable of this should be put down. One incident of this magnitude is waaay too many.

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vintagetoppsguy 02-16-2015 05:32 PM

I was watching the local news tonight and saw this story that reminded me of this thread...

http://abc13.com/news/girl-4-attacke...ground/520757/

I started to say this last night, but I bit my tongue. I'll say it now though. Pit bulls serve no purpose. IMO, they should all be euthanized.

pgellis 02-16-2015 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy (Post 1381275)
I was watching the local news tonight and saw this story that reminded me of this thread...

http://abc13.com/news/girl-4-attacke...ground/520757/

I started to say this last night, but I bit my tongue. I'll say it now though. Pit bulls serve no purpose. IMO, they should all be euthanized.

That is the most ignorant post that I have seen on this board ever!

jimtigers65 02-16-2015 08:36 PM

I had my wife take pictures of me in the parking lot of the Urgent Care. Also, I saved the torn, blood stain clothes. Plus the clothes are covered with pit bull hair. This morning Animal Control called me. They said they are going to put the animals in quarantine for 10 days. If they have rabies they will put them down. If they don't they will return to the owner. Either way, they will let me know.

Today, I took my first shower and counted the bites. It totals 26, the med tech must have missed a couple. Yes, I'm afraid of scarring.

The way I was brought up suing was never in the discussion. So, I don't know if I want to go that route but again I don't want scars. Even though my wife says "Chicks dig scars".

I would like to money back for the clothes but I don't want to go to the owners house.

vintagetoppsguy 02-16-2015 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pgellis (Post 1381354)
That is the most ignorant post that I have seen on this board ever!

Last year, there were 42 dog-bite related deaths in the US. 27 of those (64%) were by pit bulls. Going back over the last 10 years, that number decreases slightly to 62%. How does one breed account for so many deaths?

So speaking of ignorance, go ahead and tell us what good dogs pit bulls are and how wonderful they are with kids., blah, blah, blah. There is a reason that pit bulls are banned as pets from most apartment complexes. There is a reason most dog rescues/shelters euthanize pit bulls. There is a reason that the majority of law enforcement uses pit bulls over any other breed.

Or just save your ignorant rhetoric before you look more stupid!!!

Edited to add: Pit bulls make up only 6% of the dog population, but account for 68% of dog attacks.

D.P.Johnson 02-16-2015 08:57 PM

I believe that dog bites may be covered by homeowner's insurance. (The dog's owner, not yours.) Thus, if you don't feel comfortable talking with the guy about it, you may be able to file a claim with your insurance agent and let them try and collect from the guy. He's obviously going to know you've filed a complaint when they come and get his dogs, so he may want to talk with you about the situation anyway. Good luck brother...

vintagetoppsguy 02-16-2015 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jimtigers65 (Post 1380846)
After knocking on the door he came out and was surprised that his dogs did this.

Yeah, they always are.

"Oh my dog would never do that"

clydepepper 02-16-2015 10:11 PM

I had a bitch attack me once...oh, wait, that wasn't a dog...sorry.

BicycleSpokes 02-17-2015 01:48 AM

Jim, I get what you are saying about suing. I would first at least communicate with the owner, by phone or letter or whatever you prefer (I would personally do it in writing, so that it and any response is documented), to see if he will do the right thing by you and cover your expenses - both the immediate clothes and medical, plus reasonable treatment to minimize scarring. Alternatively, and especially if he will not cooperate, Daniel's insurance idea seems like a sound option. This might also have the benefit of them raising his premiums considerably, or dropping him altogether, if he doesn't get rid of these dogs. (My parents once had to put down a much loved, but timid, St. Bernard for similar reasons in the 1970s, after it "merely" snapped at a child who was teasing it i.e. a far cry from what you endured).

Given that the owner made the conscious decision to go with pit bull, over all the 100s of other dog options out there, I am guessing that you may not be dealing with a full deck of cards here, but one never knows. (Yes, I am a dog lover who happily places myself into the "ignorant" category regarding this particular breed, both due to their well-documented aggressive tendencies, as well as for that God-awful song "Timber" he came out with last year.)

barrysloate 02-17-2015 04:33 AM

Jim- I think you have an obligation to do something, because as pointed out, the next person attacked by the dogs may not be as lucky as you. This is potentially a very serious situation.

bnorth 02-17-2015 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy (Post 1381363)
Last year, there were 42 dog-bite related deaths in the US. 27 of those (64%) were by pit bulls. Going back over the last 10 years, that number decreases slightly to 62%. How does one breed account for so many deaths?

So speaking of ignorance, go ahead and tell us what good dogs pit bulls are and how wonderful they are with kids., blah, blah, blah. There is a reason that pit bulls are banned as pets from most apartment complexes. There is a reason most dog rescues/shelters euthanize pit bulls. There is a reason that the majority of law enforcement uses pit bulls over any other breed.

Or just save your ignorant rhetoric before you look more stupid!!!

Edited to add: Pit bulls make up only 6% of the dog population, but account for 68% of dog attacks.

Phil was wrong this post is much stupider than the one he quoted because this one also has some made up statistics.

My personal opinion is that it is 100% the dog owners fault and not the dogs no matter what breed it is. Pit Bulls get the bad name because they can be an aggressive breed when owned by people who should not own them.

We have a 2yo American Staffordshire Terrier(supposed to be the worst breed of pit bull). We adopted him a little over a year ago from the same shelter we got our last 2 dogs a St. Bernard and a Rottweiler.

Here is a picture of my Pit Bull from thanksgiving. The Wife and I love him dearly but if he was to ever bite anybody even once he would be dead before the sun set.

pgellis 02-17-2015 07:51 AM

Ben, you are correct.

David took some statistics that he Googled to try and make his point. Pit Bulls are the most mis-identified breed out there. The term "Pit Bull" is actually a catch-all phrase for many "Bully Breeds" including American Staffordshire Terrier, American Pit Bull Terrier, American Bulldog and many mixes of these breeds with other breeds.

I'm sure the stats that David took lumped many mixed breed dogs into his 64% of attacks by Pit Bulls, but when he said that Pit Bulls only make up 6% of all breeds, I'm sure that number relates to American Pit Bull terriers that only make up a small percentage of all the dogs that are termed a "pit bull".
Law enforcement and the media continue to mis-identify the true breed of most dogs involved in attacks.

My pit-mix came from a high-kill shelter in Georgia where every dog in that shelter was labeled a "Pit Bull" on their information sheet. It was just easier for the over-worked employees to label every mixed breed dog a pit bull.

I said that David's response was ignorant because it's obvious that he doesn't have any experience at all with "Pit Bulls". Educated yourself before you make such a blanket statement. I have owned my dog for almost three years and I also volunteer on weekends at a shelter dedicated to finding homes for pit bulls. I would include myself in the "ignorant" category too before my experience with these wonderful dogs. But I have learned so much about these dogs.

So according to Dave, he would want me and Ben to euthanize our pets because "they should all be euthanized"......how ignorant.

packs 02-17-2015 08:43 AM

Wow these pitbull posts blow my mind. Are either of you guys aware that pitbulls make up the majority of dogs available for adoption at shelters? So it could be that this person rescued the pitbull and adopted a dog someone had thrown away or abused. If saving a poor dog's life means you have "less than a full deck of cards" then so be it. Have you ever owned or known a pitbull? What was your experience? I have many friends who have adopted pits and they're all sweethearts, a direct reflection of their owners.

Also any dog is dangerous in theory. Your POV that pitbulls are some ubiquitous bad guy dog is misguided. Those collies bit someone too, remember?

BicycleSpokes 02-17-2015 09:11 AM

I do not know the accuracy of the statistics quoted by David above. But even the pro pit bull articles I have read will generally acknowledge a disproportionate attack rate for these breeds. While this is usually CORRELATED to poor ownership, it is enough information for me personally to choose not to own one.

For the record, I do not place myself in the "euthanize all pit bulls" camp, and am sure most, including yours pictured above, are very nice. But the specific case being discussed here involves a clearly dangerous group of dogs, the most aggressive described as being the pit bull. Why argue that this neither reflects on the dog nor the specific owner who has seemingly raised it?

packs 02-17-2015 09:28 AM

I think the attack rate is really only a reflection of the fact that pits are most often trained to attack either other dogs or humans by their owners. I would imagine that the attack rates for German Shepherds and Dobermans are equally high amongst all dog breeds for the same reasons.

D. Bergin 02-17-2015 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by pgellis (Post 1381450)

My pit-mix came from a high-kill shelter in Georgia where every dog in that shelter was labeled a "Pit Bull" on their information sheet. It was just easier for the over-worked employees to label every mixed breed dog a pit bull.

I said that David's response was ignorant because it's obvious that he doesn't have any experience at all with "Pit Bulls". Educated yourself before you make such a blanket statement. I have owned my dog for almost three years and I also volunteer on weekends at a shelter dedicated to finding homes for pit bulls. I would include myself in the "ignorant" category too before my experience with these wonderful dogs. But I have learned so much about these dogs.

So according to Dave, he would want me and Ben to euthanize our pets because "they should all be euthanized"......how ignorant.


Same story here. My wife and I volunteer at a no kill shelter, and a majority of the dogs they pick up are pit mixes of some sort, because those are the ones that get abandoned the most. We also foster dogs to help them find homes, since some get more stressed in a shelter environment then others.

We have 4 in our house right now. 2 ours and 2 from the shelter. Pitties being a very broad stroke breed, they are all different from each other, in both appearance and temperament.

Some pits can be a challenge to work with and other are an absolute breeze. They can be as vastly different from one another as people.

I'd like to think we're not nutcases, but that's for other people to figure out on their own.

vintagetoppsguy 02-17-2015 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 1381445)
Phil was wrong this post is much stupider than the one he quoted because this one also has some made up statistics.

Well, Einstein, enilghten us then. What are the REAL statistics?


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Originally Posted by pgellis (Post 1381450)
David took some statistics that he Googled to try and make his point.

Are you disputing the accuracy of the statistics?

pgellis 02-17-2015 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy (Post 1381492)
Well, Einstein, enilghten us then. What are the REAL statistics?




Are you disputing the accuracy of the statistics?

Did you read what I stated? Yes, I am disputing the accuracy of your stats. I stated that law enforcement and the media have inaccurately labeled dogs involved in attacks as "pit bulls", so your numbers are off. Did law enforcement or the media do a proper DNA test on these dogs? No they didn't.

vintagetoppsguy 02-17-2015 10:18 AM

Yes, I did read your post. It sounded like this...

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Originally Posted by pgellis (Post 1381450)
blah, blah, blah...

Sure, your dog is different. It would never attack. It's a loving family pet that is good with kids, right?

Save it. I hear the same old story every time a pit bull attacks.

The statistics I quoted are facts from non-biased sites that have no agenda. You clearly have an agenda since you are a pit bull owner.

Why do dog fighters (ummm...Michael Vick, Edward Faron) choose pit bulls? Why not dachsaunds? Why not poodles? Why? Because pit bulls are the most vicious breed of dog there is.

packs 02-17-2015 10:19 AM

And did you read what I posted? Your stats are artificially inflated even if accurate. Pit bulls are trained to fight other dogs and humans by their owners at a disproportionate rate compared to other breeds. The key phrase here is trained to fight by their owners. They choose pit bulls because they are plentiful and cheap. How much does your average dachshund run?

What you're saying is no different than me saying that boxers get into more fights than your average person, therefore boxers are inherently more violent and prone to fights. That would be a misleading statement for a number of reasons, the most obvious being that boxers train to fight whereas average people do not.

vintagetoppsguy 02-17-2015 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 1381501)
Pit bulls are trained to fight other dogs and humans by their owners at a disproportionate rate compared to other breeds. They choose pit bulls because they are plentiful and cheap. How much does your average dachshund run?

They are not chose because they are cheap. That's stupid!

They are chosen because of their aggressive nature.

If you were a dog fighter, do you want the cheap dog or the aggressive dog?

:rolleyes:

Edited to add: Since you were too lazy to actually do any research, I did it for you. Here is a link to an article about Eddie Faron "The Godfather of Dog Fighting"

http://blog.dogsbite.org/2008/12/ed-...-has-been.html

At the time of his arrest, authorities siezed 127 pit bulls. He claims to have sold the dogs for $500 each, but authorities believe he sold them for $1200-$7500 each. Kind of blows a hole in your 'cheap dogs' theory doesn't it? Anything else ridiculous you want to say?

packs 02-17-2015 10:37 AM

No offense but dachshunds, poodles, and the like are all show dogs. You can fight any dog you want I guess if that's your thing. But if economics is your motivator, why would you buy expensive dogs to have one murder the other?

I don't think what I said is stupid at all. It's practical. You are also avoiding essential facts like that pit bulls are trained for fights by their owners, something you haven't responded to at all. How do you feel about the collies involved?

pgellis 02-17-2015 10:42 AM

Yeah my agenda is to try to educate people about pit bulls and that is the agenda of pro-pitbull websites.

I guess you don't have an agenda do you?

So answer the question Dave.....should Ben, Dave and myself euthanize our pets so you feel better?

packs 02-17-2015 10:47 AM

I agree. I'm trying to do the same. I love pits and I love all dogs equally. I firmly believe all any dog wants is to be your buddy. It is 100 percent always humans who taint a dog and turn what should be a friend into an aggressive monster.

BicycleSpokes 02-17-2015 10:57 AM

Honest question: If they make such great pets, why are pit mixes abandoned at such a rate that they are literally the majority of abandoned dogs found in the shelters? (I was not aware of this.)

(Also, Jim, hope you are recovering well!)

pgellis 02-17-2015 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BicycleSpokes (Post 1381516)
Honest question: If they make such great pets, why are pit mixes abandoned at such a rate that they are literally the majority of abandoned dogs found in the shelters?

(Also, Jim, hope you are recovering well!)

Read this for many answers to your question:

http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/...rs-4986436.php

vintagetoppsguy 02-17-2015 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 1381507)
No offense but dachshunds, poodles, and the like are all show dogs. You can fight any dog you want I guess if that's your thing. But if economics is your motivator, why would you buy expensive dogs to have one murder the other?

I don't think what I said is stupid at all. It's practical. You are also avoiding essential facts like that pit bulls are trained for fights by their owners, something you haven't responded to at all. How do you feel about the collies involved?

I edited my previous post to include financial data about the cost of pit bulls that are trained to fight. Why would you buy expensive dogs to fight? Because there is a lot of money involved with dog-fighting.

So you're saying all pit bull attacks are the result of their owners training the dogs to fight. Ummm, ok.

vintagetoppsguy 02-17-2015 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BicycleSpokes (Post 1381516)
Honest question: If they make such great pets, why are pit mixes abandoned at such a rate that they are literally the majority of abandoned dogs found in the shelters?

(Also, Jim, hope you are recovering well!)

Part of the answer to that is in the story that Phil linked. Many are abandoned because of the owners living in apartments where the managment doesn't allow pit bulls.

Ok, then the next question should be "Why wouldn't an apartment complez allow pit bulls?" Simple, because many families and children live in apartment complexes and pit bulls are naturally aggressive. The apartment complex does not want to be sued in the event of an attack.

Another reason that many end up in shelters is because the owners get them and then realize how aggressive they are and just don't want them anymore.

Whatever the reason, it all leads back to the same point. Pit bulls are aggressive.

pgellis 02-17-2015 11:21 AM

David, don't you want to answer my question?

Would you want Ben, Dave & Myself to euthanize our pets?

packs 02-17-2015 11:27 AM

Never mind. You clearly don't like pit bulls and no one is going to change your mind. I can accept that but wish you wouldn't wish death upon random dogs without taking to task anything the owner did to that dog.

vintagetoppsguy 02-17-2015 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 1381532)
You clearly don't like pit bulls and no one is going to change your mind.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you can change my mind. Let's do this. I'll meet you at PetSmart, you bring your dog and I'll bring mine and the two can play together while you're educating me on how wonderful pit bulls are. Oh, wait a minute. Nevermind, pit bulls are NOT ALLOWED at PetSmart (among many other places). I wonder why that is??? :rolleyes:

pgellis 02-17-2015 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy (Post 1381535)
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you can change my mind. Let's do this. I'll meet you at PetSmart, you bring your dog and I'll bring mine and the two can play together while you're educating me on how wonderful pit bulls are. Oh, wait a minute. Nevermind, pit bulls are NOT ALLOWED at PetSmart (among many other places). I wonder why that is??? :rolleyes:

Not true. I have brought my dog to PetSmart.

Here you go with your ignorance again and picking and choosing what to respond to.

packs 02-17-2015 11:42 AM

Right. I'll ask one more time just for fun: have you ever had any experience at all with a pit bull personally? As in: have you ever owned a pit bull or spent a significant amount of time with one?

vintagetoppsguy 02-17-2015 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by pgellis (Post 1381531)
David, don't you want to answer my question?

Would you want Ben, Dave & Myself to euthanize our pets?

I already answered your question. Let me be crystal clear. I think ALL pit bulls should be euthanized so things like this are not allowed to happen...

http://blog.dogsbite.org/uploaded_im...tack-475-3.jpg
http://files.dogsbite.org/uploaded_i...tack-475-4.jpg

The results of a pit bull attack.

Or things like this...

http://blog.dogsbite.org/2009/11/col...lp-attack.html

pgellis 02-17-2015 11:48 AM

You can only try to educate an ignorant person for so long. David is not going to change his mind. He's read everything he has needed to form his prejudice opinion.

All of your personal experience with pitbulls is impressive.

And you would have me euthanize my dog because someone was attacked by a "pit bull" in California? That makes a heck of a lot of sense.

D. Bergin 02-17-2015 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy (Post 1381535)
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you can change my mind. Let's do this. I'll meet you at PetSmart, you bring your dog and I'll bring mine and the two can play together while you're educating me on how wonderful pit bulls are. Oh, wait a minute. Nevermind, pit bulls are NOT ALLOWED at PetSmart (among many other places). I wonder why that is??? :rolleyes:


We bring pitties into Pet Stores all the time, without anybody ever saying a word to us. :confused:

vintagetoppsguy 02-17-2015 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 1381546)
We bring pitties into Pet Stores all the time, without anybody ever saying a word to us. :confused:

They are allowed (on a leash) into the grooming and training areas, but they are not allowed to mingle with other dogs.

If your PetSmart allows you to do that, then they are simply turning a blind eye.

The "Bully Breed" policy is posted on their corporate website.

vintagetoppsguy 02-17-2015 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pgellis (Post 1381544)
You can only try to educate an ignorant person for so long. David is not going to change his mind. He's read everything he has needed to form his prejudice opinion.

All of your personal experience with pitbulls is impressive.

And you would have me euthanize my dog because someone was attacked by a "pit bull" in California? That makes a heck of a lot of sense.


No, Phil, I'm not going to change my mind. I've seen too many stories, video footage and pictures of the aftermath of a pit bull attack. It bothers me even more when it's a child.

What does California have to do with anything? Are pit bull attacks isolated to only California?

D. Bergin 02-17-2015 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy (Post 1381528)
Part of the answer to that is in the story that Phil linked. Many are abandoned because of the owners living in apartments where the managment doesn't allow pit bulls.

Ok, then the next question should be "Why wouldn't an apartment complez allow pit bulls?" Simple, because many families and children live in apartment complexes and pit bulls are naturally aggressive. The apartment complex does not want to be sued in the event of an attack.

Another reason that many end up in shelters is because the owners get them and then realize how aggressive they are and just don't want them anymore.

Whatever the reason, it all leads back to the same point. Pit bulls are aggressive.


Pits are also an incredibly abused breed, yes most of them are dirt cheap and they tend to have huge litters. As bad as it is to say, they are the dog of choice in low rent and uneducated areas. I've lost count of how many female pits we've had in the shelter, who are just tossed out on the street after having a large litter of pups.

They are a working breed, even if they are not classified as such, and they need to be exercised regularly, just like any other working breed of dogs. People who keep them cooped up in small apartments, in tiny kennels and in backyards with thick chains attached to their necks should not own pit bulls. They can go crazy, just like people can.

If we don't have the time or energy to walk our dogs ourselves (and in reality most people don't for what most dogs really need), we throw them on a treadmill to get the proper amount of exercise.

I'm not going to pretend otherwise, Pits are the preferred dog of dogfighters, because they have powerful jaws, they can clamp down on their prey (they don't have lockjaw), and they have a super high tolerance for pain.

They are also extremely forgiving of their owners/masters. Meaning, these scumbags who fight dogs, can beat the ever loving snot out of them in training, and that pit will live for the one day a week that owner gives them positive attention, without ever turning on their master.

pgellis 02-17-2015 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy (Post 1381551)
No, Phil, I'm not going to change my mind. I've seen too many stories, video footage and pictures of the aftermath of a pit bull attack. It bothers me even more when it's a child.

What does California have to do with anything? Are pit bull attacks isolated to only California?

This entire discussion evolved from the OP's unfortunate incident that took place in California. You made your ignorant opinion public by saying that you think all pit bulls should be euthanized.

So, I merely asked that "Should I have to euthanize my pet due to the circumstances of the OP that occurred in California"?

packs 02-17-2015 12:12 PM

It is just frustrating that someone who apparently has no experience at all with a pit bull would be so dismissive when people who have experience with pit bulls share their point of view.

Econteachert205 02-17-2015 12:16 PM

I'm more of a cat person myself. But cats or dogs, it is the human owner who should be sued for allowing their violent dogs to attack in such a way.

Ps. Pit bulls or whatever bull brand you want to label it scare the crap out me. So do german shepherds, dobermans, Rottweilers and over active labs. All could bite. Most do not.

vintagetoppsguy 02-17-2015 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by pgellis (Post 1381553)
This entire discussion evolved from the OP's unfortunate incident that took place in California. You made your ignorant opinion public by saying that you think all pit bulls should be euthanized.

So, I merely asked that "Should I have to euthanize my pet due to the circumstances of the OP that occurred in California"?

Ok, Phil, let me throw some statistics at you that might hit you a little closer to home (statistics below from Boston).

In 2011, there were 267 reported dog attacks, 54 by pit bulls (20%)
In 2012, there were 251 reported dog attacks, 53 by pit bulls (21%)
In 2013, there were 287 reported dog attacks, 88 by pit bulls (30%)
I do not have complete data for 2014, but at the time the article was published, there were 123 reported dog attacks, 39 by pit bulls (32%)

Notice a trend in the increase?

But pit bulls only make up 3% of the dog population in Boston.

Phil, it doesn't matter what part of the country we're talking about, all the stats are pretty close.

vintagetoppsguy 02-17-2015 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 1381556)
It is just frustrating that someone who apparently has no experience at all with a pit bull would be so dismissive when people who have experience with pit bulls share their point of view.

It's also very frustrating that every pit bull owner will tell you the same thing - "Oh, my pit bull would never attack. She's a good family pet and great with the kids" - until it actually happens.

Why is it that all pit bull owners will tell you the same thing, but pit bulls are responsible for a large percent of dog attacks?

D. Bergin 02-17-2015 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy (Post 1381551)
No, Phil, I'm not going to change my mind. I've seen too many stories, video footage and pictures of the aftermath of a pit bull attack. It bothers me even more when it's a child.

What does California have to do with anything? Are pit bull attacks isolated to only California?


I really hate to bring this up, but I found your posts a bit ironic considering the stances and arguments you make as a hyper-vigilant gun rights advocate.

Rationalizations are brought up like, Pools are dangerous to, why don't we ban pools. Kids die in pools all the time.

From statistics I can find 307 people total have been killed in the U.S. AND Canada by Pit Bulls and Pit Bull mixes in the 32 year span of 1982 to 2014. That's "total"! Kids, Adults, etc......

http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/32-year-...ack-trends.pdf


Now, I'm going to forget about total gun deaths per year in the U.S. alone, because that's just not fair. Total accidental gun deaths alone.........scrap that out because it's just a vulgar number.

How about just total "accidental" gun deaths in the U.S. alone for children under the age of 18. It's a tough statistic to even pin down, but it seems it ranges in the "100" number.....per year. About half that if you count children under the age of 13.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/p...-we-dont-know/


I won't even get into the number of people maimed by dogs (all dogs), compared to the number of people maimed by guns.

But I bet, depending on the state you live in, you can bring any number of guns into a PetSmart, without any repercussions at all.

Funny, it just so happens the gun lobby is far more powerful then the pit bull lobby.

You may claim none of this makes any sense to you, they are strawman arguments, not relevant to the point...........but I would disagree with you, especially if I chose to attack with the same logic you are to this topic.

packs 02-17-2015 12:37 PM

I'm expressing my own opinions which I've formed during my own experiences. You are telling me my experiences are invalid because of someone else's third hand account. But you have nothing to add yourself. So that is frustrating for many other reasons than the hypothetical arguments you're making.

D. Bergin 02-17-2015 12:39 PM

As to the original poster in this thread. I'm sorry you had to go through what you did. Depending on what state you live in, it's pretty cut and dry regarding dog bites that you could get a fairly significant payout from the homeowners insurance company, should you want to go that route, without very much resistance at all. Especially if your injuries have been well documented.

Myself, in my 6 year career as a UPS delivery driver, I was bitten a good half a dozen times by different dogs. Never really serious, except for one time. Always had it taken care of at an urgent care center, and then UPS's insurance company would go after them to cover the health care costs, whatever they might have been. I never went after them personally for compensation, but might have a different view if I was attacked as bad as you were.

vintagetoppsguy 02-17-2015 12:46 PM

Pit bulls were originally bred for blood sports. That is documented fact, whether anybody agrees or not. They were bred to attack and kill. Period.

Let's say I own both a gun and a pit bull. I can control whether my gun kills or not. I cannot control whether my pit bull is going to attack or not.

You're right, I don't think it's relevant, but I did address it.

packs 02-17-2015 12:48 PM

Most modern dogs were bred to hunt or provide protection for their masters (i.e. attacking intruders). That is a moot point.

vintagetoppsguy 02-17-2015 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 1381577)
Most modern dogs were bred to hunt. That is a moot point.

There is a huge difference in blood sports (for entertainment purposes) and hunting. If you don't understand the difference between the two, I don't know what else to say.

packs 02-17-2015 12:56 PM

I do understand the differences but I would bet a dog does not.

ibuysportsephemera 02-17-2015 01:45 PM

I can't understand a statement that all pit bulls should be euthanized. I am not really into blanket statements in general. That being said, I agree that the pit bull breed seems to be the most dangerous and have the most horrific stories associated with them.

The only experience that I have personally is that my cousin and her husband own a pit bill. They have no kids, so their dog is like a child to them. The dog has interacted with many generations of our family and he is friendly and lovable. If David were to try to euthanize their pet, I would suggest he bring an arsenal. My cousin's husband is also a gun collector ;).

Jeff

Runscott 02-17-2015 03:35 PM

I have never seen so many ignorant statements in one thread. David - you are wasting your time.

vintagetoppsguy 02-17-2015 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Runscott (Post 1381641)
I have never seen so many ignorant statements in one thread. David - you are wasting your time.

Scott - My statements are based on facts that I can back up. Others statements are based on....well, nothing.

Here is a great webiste where you can get a lot of non-biased information as it is a non-profit.

http://www.dogsbite.org/

"In the 10-year period from 2005 to 2014, pit bulls killed 203 Americans and accounted for 62% of the total recorded deaths (326)."

Runscott 02-17-2015 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy (Post 1381653)
Scott - My statements are based on facts that I can back up. Others statements are based on....well, nothing.

There is a lot I would like to say here, but you have it covered well, and the pit bull argument is one of the least productive available.

boysblue 02-17-2015 04:40 PM

I live in Ontario, Canada. Pit bulls must be muzzled whenever they are outside, even if they are in a fenced backyard. Why? Too many brutal attacks by this breed. I agree with David (and clearly the Province of Ontario does as well).

Of course there are probably some loving, docile pit bulls, but these dogs can be very unpredictable.

D. Bergin 02-17-2015 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy (Post 1381653)
Scott - My statements are based on facts that I can back up. Others statements are based on....well, nothing.

Here is a great webiste where you can get a lot of non-biased information as it is a non-profit.

http://www.dogsbite.org/

"In the 10-year period from 2005 to 2014, pit bulls killed 203 Americans and accounted for 62% of the total recorded deaths (326)."


Really? You can read that site, and with a straight face, tell me it is non-biased because it's non-profit?

The NRA is also a non-profit.

I'm sure that's just an ignorant assumption on my part though.

vintagetoppsguy 02-18-2015 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 1381834)
Really? You can read that site, and with a straight face, tell me it is non-biased because it's non-profit?

The NRA is also a non-profit.

I'm sure that's just an ignorant assumption on my part though.

The NRA has an agenda.

What is the agenda of the site I linked?

I'll await your response but, after that, I am done with this thread. I apologize the the OP if the thread got derailed. We're forgetting that through all this, there is still someone with some serious dog bite injuries that was just looking for answers on how to proceed.

To the OP, there is some good information on the dogsbite.org website that may benefit you. Here is a link...

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-victim-realities.php

Runscott 02-18-2015 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy (Post 1381893)
The NRA has an agenda.

What is the agenda of the site I linked?

I'll await your response but, after that, I am done with this thread. I apologize the the OP if the thread got derailed. We're forgetting that through all this, there is still someone with some serious dog bite injuries that was just looking for answers on how to proceed.

To the OP, there is some good information on the dogsbite.org website that may benefit you. Here is a link...

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-victim-realities.php

David, you bit :)

He has successfully deflected the argument from pit bulls to the NRA. Now you have to defend your views regarding the NRA, and if you can't then that makes you wrong about pit bulls as well.

bnorth 02-18-2015 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Runscott (Post 1381972)
David, you bit :)

He has successfully deflected the argument from pit bulls to the NRA. Now you have to defend your views regarding the NRA, and if you can't then that makes you wrong about pit bulls as well.

There is nothing wrong with the NRA. They provide a valuable public service by getting guns into the hands of criminals so they can shoot unarmed innocent citizens.

Maybe my botched Woody Allen quote will help derail his(David) posting of ridiculous so called facts.

D. Bergin 02-18-2015 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Runscott (Post 1381972)
David, you bit :)

He has successfully deflected the argument from pit bulls to the NRA. Now you have to defend your views regarding the NRA, and if you can't then that makes you wrong about pit bulls as well.


It was a correlation. Not a deflection. He said the site was non-biased because it was a non-profit. I could have chosen a 1000 different organizations that was untrue for. I chose the least subtle one I could think of that fit into our conversation about things that can kill people on a regular basis.

Whether the stats are accurate or not on that site is one thing (further research shows they are not). But to go on it and see that it's general tone consists of article after article telling us how Pit Bulls are such killers. Seems to be it's only purpose actually.

It even goes on to blame shelters and animal rights groups for an uptake in Pit Bull violence since the Michael Vick case.

No mention of the trendy practice of the media to label any snub nosed mutt, they can't figure out what breed it is...as a Pit Bull or a Pit Mix.

To say it's unbiased is laughable, all you have to do is a simple Google search on that site to see it's run by a woman who would like to have all Pit Bulls, Pit Bull mixes, and dogs with any sort of "Aggressive" blood line in them, to be sent to the gas chamber

She even gave out her coveted "Dog Warden of the Year" award to a guy who ran a high kill rate shelter, based seemingly on the fact he ran a high kill rate shelter. He was soon run out by the residents of his town because they were disgusted by his practices.

This is just one debunker of that website. Believe me there are many more out there:

http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogbl...gsbiteorg.html

packs 02-18-2015 11:59 AM

That's why I wish personal experience could at least play a little part in this discussion. It has largely been ignored. I think we all acknowledge that pits bite people. But to be so ready to tell someone else their dog should be euthanized without any experience with the breed is a little much.

Runscott 02-18-2015 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 1381985)
There is nothing wrong with the NRA. They provide a valuable public service by getting guns into the hands of criminals so they can shoot unarmed innocent citizens.

Maybe my botched Woody Allen quote will help derail his(David) posting of ridiculous so called facts.

Like the one you just posted?

buymycards 02-18-2015 01:35 PM

lawyer
 
I have a lawyer friend here in Wisconsin. He told me that if I ever get bit by a dog, I should give him a call. He said it is an easy $10,000 in my pocket.

I have never followed up on it, but you might want to contact an attorney.

frankbmd 02-18-2015 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by buymycards (Post 1382015)
I have a lawyer friend here in Wisconsin. He told me that if I ever get bit by a dog, I should give him a call. He said it is an easy $10,000 in my pocket.

I have never followed up on it, but you might want to contact an attorney.


That's a lot of cardboard, or at least a real rare one or two,

but the shih tzu next door is too god damn friendly.:eek:

1952boyntoncollector 02-18-2015 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 1382017)
That's a lot of cardboard, or at least a real rare one or two,

but the shih tzu next door is too god damn friendly.:eek:

$10,000 paid by who...if no insurance its always hard to collect....the guy may have t206 green cobbs and Leaf Rookie Jackie's and #53 goudey babe ruth and 51 bowman mantle and mays stashed and hidden away graded..but no money in the bank...

jimtigers65 02-18-2015 09:26 PM

Thanks for all the support, I enjoy reading inputs. Here is the latest; my thighs, back, and ribs are black and blue and my skin is itching. The doctor told me to keep the skin dry and let it air out. I take pain killers when I get home from work and rest in the evening.
Animal Control has the dogs in the 10 day quarintine. I need to decide what to do as far getting back some money for material items (clothes torn, bed sheets blood stain, and two pairs of work pants blood stain). I'm hoping the dogs owner is in a panic state.

bnorth 02-19-2015 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jimtigers65 (Post 1382174)
Thanks for all the support, I enjoy reading inputs. Here is the latest; my thighs, back, and ribs are black and blue and my skin is itching. The doctor told me to keep the skin dry and let it air out. I take pain killers when I get home from work and rest in the evening.
Animal Control has the dogs in the 10 day quarintine. I need to decide what to do as far getting back some money for material items (clothes torn, bed sheets blood stain, and two pairs of work pants blood stain). I'm hoping the dogs owner is in a panic state.

Have you tried to contact the dogs owner and ask about getting the money for your expenses? I would guess they would be very happy to pay for your items directly rather than pay much much more if you have to get a lawyer. Good luck with getting your $ and hope you feel better soon.

Peter_Spaeth 02-27-2015 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jimtigers65 (Post 1382174)
Thanks for all the support, I enjoy reading inputs. Here is the latest; my thighs, back, and ribs are black and blue and my skin is itching. The doctor told me to keep the skin dry and let it air out. I take pain killers when I get home from work and rest in the evening.
Animal Control has the dogs in the 10 day quarintine. I need to decide what to do as far getting back some money for material items (clothes torn, bed sheets blood stain, and two pairs of work pants blood stain). I'm hoping the dogs owner is in a panic state.

I wouldn't settle for a few dollars reimbursement for some stained sheets. Dude, you've been maimed and it's clearly the fault of some loser who thinks "oh my pit bull is gentle," at least contact a lawyer who handles these types of cases on a contingency and see what he or she thinks.


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