Show your T206 card(s) that are more scarce than the JOE DOYLE NAT'L card
 

There are only 8 authentic Joe Doyle Nat'L cards confirmed to date.

It has been referred to as the "rarest" T206 card by some in the hobby.

Well....I don't think so ! And I don't think you do either. So, let's see how many T206's we can post here that are more rare than the "rarest".


I will get this show on the road with these four Detroit dudes with AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 backs. As of today, each one of these T206's are
less available than the Joe Doyle Nat'L card.



http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ffAB460x50.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...AB460x50bx.jpg


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...dsAB460x50.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...sAB460x50b.jpg


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...atAB460x50.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...tAB460x50b.jpg




1 of only 2 graded

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ngsHandx50.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...gsHandx50b.jpg


Incidently, why was my Jennings graded an "A" ....I don't understand how a grader determines if an AB 460 card is trimmed ?
I look forward to any reasonable explanation of this ? ?


OK guys......post your rare T206 cards......also, Joe Doyle Nat'L cards are welcomed :)



TED Z
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Try to regrade that Jennings imo. Have had more slim ABS graded numerically.

Show your T206 card(s) that are more scarce than the JOE DOYLE NAT'L card
 

Highest graded of only 4 that have been graded

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...amLENOXx50.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...amLENOXb50.jpg



TED Z
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Hi Ted- AB 460's are tuffer than most people think...

I used to own this Jennings example, it sold recently on eBay. Seems like it went for a steal.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-Hugh-Hu...vip=true&rt=nc

Not suggesting this is scarcer than the Doyle (although it might be), but here's my Wheat AB 460.

PS- This Hoblitzel Blank Back is the only known example.

Not sure this will meet Runscott's no scrap criteria but I would think its a 1/1. :D

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7500/...8793f081_b.jpg

Only 4 graded, however there are probably at least few more out there....

http://photos.imageevent.com/vanslyk...%20Tolstoi.jpg

One of 4 graded, however this one isn't even showing on the SGC pop report...can't trust those too much I suppose:

http://photos.imageevent.com/vanslyk...i%20Kelley.jpg

Possibly, this WaJo. Pop reports show 4 for SGC and 1 for PSA (but not mine, which I assume was graded before PSA distinguished backs in its pop report).

Well, famously, one and only ever created.

http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1420713798

Ted.....
 

and collectors....

:eek:

where to begin.....


shall I unleash the circus???????:confused:


hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........


:)


not sure if I want to ruin it before the 2016 national.....;)

btw.....
 

The scraps are INSANE!!

not to take away from the other cards...but WOW!!!

most scraps are only 1 of 1's....with some with "twins" or "sister" cards, with very few scraps ever had more than 4 twins!!! if you will, saved from the scrap sheet over 100 years ago....

Dunn is on another level....card was part of the design stage of the set....UNREAL!!! proofs will be explained more in the future...we are still researching them, and they are incredible:eek:

true pieces of "history" "works" of ART inmho....

WOW....:eek:

Hobby BB is also another incredible card...possibly involved with the design of the set...blank backs are one of the most under rated scrap/ back in the set inmho(biased of course;))

these cards BLOW Doyle away in rarity....

6 to 8x rarer....

WOW...

you own one....you literally own a piece of history:)

INSANE CARDS

I have a feeling this will....
 

be an AWESOME thread.............:eek:

When it is referred to as the rarest t206 that is a reference to the front variations only. If the t206 set was broke out by backs then the different combos would be worth using as a comparison, but since a t206 set collector isn't typically a master set collector there statement of "rarest t206" is only in regards to the front. If it didn't than even the Wagner and Plank Piedmonts would be considered rarer than the Doyle.

Andy
 

I appreciate what you are saying; however, by your definition this Ambrose Puttman card can be considered the "rarest"....as it's back is irrelevant.

Furthermore, you refer to a "typical" T206 collector....it's been my experience dealing with many T206 collectors for the past 33 years....that after they have put together a
near complete T206 set....it doesn't stop there.

The Monster has you "addicted". Many collectors will continue the hunt for player sub-sets with all their possible backs. Or, team sets of players with all their possible backs.


http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3a4c9fba.jpg




TED Z

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Ted..........
 

:eek:

I was waiting for it!!!!!!! send that to the resource:eek: proof gallery

As fronts variation this is 1 of 1Attachment 174412

No by my definition that still wouldn't qualify. That is clearly a t206 proof, not a t206 that was to be mass produced but changed in the process (Like the Doyle and Magie).

[QUOTE=tedzan;1363972]

Furthermore, you refer to a "typical" T206 collector....it's been my experience dealing with many T206 collectors for the past 33 years....that after they have put together a
near complete T206 set....it doesn't stop there.

The Monster has you "addicted". Many collectors will continue the hunt for player sub-sets with all their possible backs. Or, team sets of players with all their possible backs.

TED Z

I didn't refer to a "typical" t206 collector. I referred to a typcial t206 set collector. In which case the set is defined by one of each front with exclusion to what is on the back. There are tough front/back combos but they come into play for other subsets, in which case new "rarities" are defined. For instance if you are trying to build a set of just the backs, you may say the Old Mill Brown is the rarest, and Piedmont 350 is the easiest to find even though a Shaw Piedmont 350 isn't easy. So you are mixing two thought processes.

Your original statement about the rarest t206 being the Doyle is made in reference to building a front set not in regards to a full Master Set with all the front and back combos.

Show your T206 card(s) that are more scarce than the JOE DOYLE NAT'L card
 

Andy

"RARITY" .... is a function of a market driven phenomena. Therefore, it is collector based. And, there are a fair number of T206 collectors that seek certain front / back combos,
printing flaws, and yes...Proofs. I think you will agree that not all collectors strive to complete a 520-card (or whatever) T206 set.

Secondly, Sports and Non-Sports Sets since the 19th Century that are comprised of cards that have printing on their fronts and backs are defined by both factors. They cannot
be considered separate entities [i.e. Set A (fronts), Set B (backs)].


I do not want to get into a semantics discussion here. That's not the purpose of this thread. It was intended to have some fun showing off Net54er's various scarce T206 cards.


TED Z
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Show your T206 card(s) that are more scarce than the JOE DOYLE NAT'L card
 

1 of only 2 graded (Highest graded)
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...erzogSGC45.jpg . http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...ogUZITx50b.jpg




http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...ferUZITx50.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...erUZITx50b.jpg




http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ITWiltse50.jpg .http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...TWiltse50b.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...CapUZITx50.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...bsize/uzit.jpg

TED Z
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Hey, my suggested thread was ignored, so leave me out of this.

Beautiful proof, by the way.

Hey Scott
 

So, what is thread about....if it isn't what you suggested ? ?

I changed the "benchmark" to the Joe Doyle Nat'l card, since this card is an order of magnitude less available than the Wagner card.
Just to make things more interesting.


T-Rex TED
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Schaeffer Uzit
 

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...erUZITx50b.jpg

Ted, I think that Germany Schaeffer UZIT is one of the coolest cards that I've ever seen!!

I'm sure my first Uzit is still a few years down the road, but that is the type of card that I would want. It would probably only grade authentic, but I think the punch out pattern makes it all that much more interesting!! Once again, I'm floored by one of your cards! :D

Great thread everyone!!

Hi Steve
 

This Schaefer card is the first UZIT that I acquired when I started putting together my T206 sub-set of the various T-brands.
I got this card at the Cooperstown Show in the Summer of 1989. I paid only $20 for it.

Also, I like the bold blue ink back on this card. Many UZIT cards have pale blue backs.


http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...ferUZITx50.jpg



TED Z
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Ted- yes, majority of Uzits have faded backs...here's mine, one of the boldest i've ever seen.

Very rare OLD MILL's....less than 5 examples are known of each of these 4 subjects
 

.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...randall25x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...dDevore50x.jpg
.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...andall25xb.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...dDevore25b.jpg



TED Z
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ____________
LOOKING for these T206 guys to complete my EXCLUSIVE 12 run of OLD MILL cards (12 subjects)

..... Duffy ..... Gandil ..... Geyer ..... Hummel ..... Pfeffer ..... Sheckard ..... Tannehill ..... Wheat
.

So I asked Ted if my Mullin SC 350/460 Fac. 42 OP was more rare than the Doyle, and he suggested I post it here and get feedback from you all. So, what do you think? It is not too pretty, and not worth a lot, but just how rare is it? Just for fun.

Ed

Ungraded Wheat.

Mike S. and Kenny
 

The AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 Zach Wheat cards are quite plentiful. And, so are the 11 other T206 subjects in the group of T206's that I refer to as the "Exclusive 12".

These 12 subjects were multi-printed with respect to other T206's in the 460 series. Some of the tougher backs that these guys are more available than other T206's
are red HINDU, SOVEREIGN 460, and SWEET CAPORAL 460 (Factory 42).

The backs that these 12 guys are rarely found with are CYCLE 460, EPDG, and especially OLD MILL and UZIT.



http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...psb4c9f545.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9075c421.jpg

http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...pse7fbc4a7.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...pse7fbc4a7.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...pse7fbc4a7.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...pse7fbc4a7.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...psd9aaa81f.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...psd9aaa81f.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...psd9aaa81f.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...pse7fbc4a7.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...pse7fbc4a7.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...pse7fbc4a7.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...pse7fbc4a7.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...pse7fbc4a7.jpg



TED Z
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Hey guys......
 

Check-out this AMERICAN BEAUTY thread in order to get an idea which AB 460 subjects are the low Pop cards.

Also, if you are interested, I will list them.



TED Z
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Show your T206 card(s) that are more scarce than the JOE DOYLE NAT'L card
 

I acquired this BROAD LEAF Hal Chase many years ago in a trade with a great ole buddy of mine from North Carolina. Little did I know at that time that it was unique.
Well, this past year a 2nd BROAD LEAF Hal Chase has been discovered.


............................................... v....... 1 of only 2 ........v
....http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7b4c1e51.jpg....v
http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...psba988b1a.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...pse3dad638.jpg



TED Z
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Show your T206 card(s) that are more scarce than the JOE DOYLE NAT'L card
 

I forgot to note in the previous post that the 1910 COUPON blue portrait Chase is another low pop card.
I cannot say for sure how many of these T213's are in circulation; but, only 4 blue Chase's are graded.


http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...ueCHASE25x.jpg . http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...eCHASEx25b.jpg


TED Z
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Ted, only you would post a Type-1 Coupon in a thread for T206s. :D

What I like to call the "Wiltse Devil on my Shoulder"

Certainly one-of-a-kind, AND actually production, not scrap.

I got your back Ted.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3826/...0266f9_c_d.jpg

Hi Sean
 

It may surprise you, but there are a fair number of guys on this forum that agree with me.

I have yet to hear any logical arguments that disproves my case for these 1910 " COUPON " cards being a part of the T206 family.

The old bromide....."because Burdick says so".....just aint good enough.

Sean.....if it quacks like a duck, and waddles like a duck, then it's a T206 :)


TED Z
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Great card Scott

Show your T206 card(s) that are more scarce than the JOE DOYLE NAT'L card
 

Pop reports indicate only 6 graded of this tough Cy Young / CYCLE 460

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...e460cyoung.jpg.http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...e460cyoung.jpg

TED Z
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One of my favorites...don't think there are many of these (?)

More Mullin(with bat) SC 460-42 OP than Doyle Nat'l

Around 2 - 1


Jantz

Scott.......
 

100 % correct! a factory cut magenta ghost like that is super rare! very neat production error.............:D

Ted, it doesn't surprise me, because we've had this discussion many times.

My vote is not a T206 based on the different card stock. Maybe we should have a poll: T213 type-1 should or shouldn't be in the T206 set?
Same with the T215 type-1.

Thanks, Jantz. I really was curious, and I am happy to hear that ratio. Means this card is still pretty darn rare.
Ed

Sean
 

If that is the only reason you have, then please consider this:


American Litho. printed these cards in the Spring/Summer of 1910 on thinner stock because they were not intended to serve as "stiffeners" in cigarette
packs (as the other T206's did). NO standard cigarette pack labelled "COUPON" Cigarettes has been found. I don't expect that one will ever be found.

1910 COUPON cigarettes were marketed in cartons (11" x 3" x 2") labelled "COUPON" Cigarettes that contained 100's of this new brand of cigarettes.

The 1910 COUPON cards were included with (or inside) the carton. A few of these cartons have been found....I have seen one of them.


P.S.
A poll would be meaningless, since there would be many uninformed in this subject voting in it.


TED Z
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This sounds like every election held in America. And considering how well our elected government is working, you're right: a vote would be meaningless. :rolleyes:

That logic makes perfect sense.

Only the informed should be allowed to vote, and why not take it a step further and allow only the single MOST informed person to vote?

Ted, I agree with your logic, and I'll choose Burdick - I think he's as good a choice as any. If I were part of the pitchfork-carrying crowd storming the castle, I would be demanding that Burdick be my T206 dictator and do all of my thinking for me.

…or it could be Ted, it doesn't matter.

Scott
 

We live in a " 1/3 world " ............
http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/d...rossingeve.jpg
For example, did you know when George Washington crossed the Delaware river December 24th 1776 to attack Trenton, he had only 33 % of the Colonists
supporting him and his mission......

...... 33 % of the Colonists were loyal to the British, and

...... the other 33% couldn't be bothered to care, either way.

So, here we are 238 years since, and these same factors in human nature still exist.


Therefore, you know what...... I don't care who disagrees with me (and some members of this forum) ...... who believe that the 1910 COUPON cards are a
natural extension of the T206 set.


Incidently, if you really want to be informed, check-out Burdick's records and you'll find that his timeline on all three COUPON sets is 1914 - 1916.

So, we cannot fault him......he was unaware that the first series of COUPON cards were actually printed and issued in the Summer of 1910.



TED Z
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And Ted, a big part of our hobby is categorizing things. Even as children, most of us piled up our cards by team, by position, by stats or even combined cards from different years. So I would never minimize the importance of deciding where the Coupons should be included.

In fact, I think I agreed with you on this, but having spoken with other forum members about this subject in depth, I think this topic is much like sheet-size - we'll never really know, so any well-thought-out theory defense is worth listening to, and certainly shouldn't cause anything more than heated discussion.

Tuner..................
 

That Ames Is INSANE!!

collectors haven't grasped yet the importance of those sweet cap 350-460 factory 30 NO OVERSTAMP!! :eek:that back is not possible with that player factory issued!! you got yours just in time......Jim R always stated how important and cool those y/b's sc 460's are.....

PLEASE POST THE IMPOSSIBLE COMBINATION BACK!:eek:

Once Chris B posts what we know so far, the will be highly sought after....

:)

hint.....hint..............;)

Johnny, I think the T206 scrap collectors DO realize the "importance" of these, but I think getting other card collectors to feel the same way is not only going to be difficult, but I don't think you and the other scrap collectors should really want that.

The 'problem' (from your point of view, not mine) is that the T206 issue is the only one where print scraps are considered worth multi-thousands of dollars. And that value is placed by you guys, by bidding against each other. The rest of the collecting world respects the market values that you are establishing and will certainly pay high prices if they think they can re-sell them to you later for a profit, but as far as "importance"…not so much.

Turner
 

Really rare and a great card......thanks for posting it.



TED Z
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Scott.....
 

as the collectors become more advanced and understand the set more , they will become to appreciate these more and desire them more....hence values/ prices will sore....sorry to disappoint you....you should have held onto your scrap ....you literally lost tens of thousands, could see why your a little turned from T206 scrap:D


I would be to if I let go all my scraps that wound up being 10-15 times what I sold them for!:eek:

THANK GOD I HAVEN'T SOLD MINE:D

I wasn't saying the collectors don't understand in a "bad" way, they just haven't been educated on them yet....we are still discovering more everyday about the production through these gems and clues......with out them, we can't truly understand the set the way we have....:)


how many t206 collectors realize that ames hand over head is not available factory issued with that back??? probably not a lot, until they reference the

the possible back combo's and see they are possible(unless you include the 6 superprints).....ON t206resource.com

scott, your just jealous cause you lost out big time when you dumped your awesome scrap back in the day....:D....AND TOOK A BATH I'M SURE....I still wish I grabbed some more....ROB is happy;)


don't hate....

you dumped that overprint downey that I couldn't even try to afford!!

btw....I haven't bid on any cards in a long time ......funds have been tight...

so , I personally know the "thin" scrap market you talk about a few guys running up the prices has expanded through education....



I respect your ground breaking research on the matter, and do respect you, but can't help to set you straight sir..


yes my friend, you must be kicking your self for letting an 8k card go for a song back in the day, or any of the others.....

and now you must hate:)


embrace that collectors are truly starting to appreciate these gems.....:)

and...

btw...
to burst your bubble, most sets or issues aren't even close to as popular as the T206 set...

:D



just a matter of time...

c'mon scott.....


respectfully


JOHN VANDERBECK

Learning something new everyday. Very cool!

http://i57.tinypic.com/2ch04qo.png

in addition.....
 

I have to say, was not fair of me to "rub salt" in your face, Scott...:o...we have all regretted letting some cool cards go, and that wasn't right...:o
didn't want to seem like I was gloating in your loss..


was a low blow....I do not mean to kick a man when down....:o

was not right of me....

the scrap will speak for itself:)

It's funny that you still aren't willing to give up on that line of thinking and you try it again each time I question the prices being paid for your beloved printer scraps. I sold all of mine at a profit, and used the profit to buy other things, which I again sold at a profit - I'm probably still earning money off of the scraps I sold ten years ago.

Sounds like the regret is on your end, but I won't try to guess what's hurting you so bad other than possibly the inability to obtain all these wonderful cards you keep gloating over? ;)

Just try using logic to explain your thinking - it works better than the proverbial straw man :rolleyes:

Scott....
 

you said it right "beloved" scrap......most of the scrap "chasers" I know have been tapped! you can ask them yourself....most of the "players" have stepped aside to let others have at them.(scrap)..

I'm sure you have made some profit, but try to buy downey back:)...or some others....with these one- of- a- kinds, sometimes money just won't do it:)

there is a whole new arena of collectors entering the scene who have caught on.......and now desire these true gems...



they will continue to catch on.....

it's kinda of "bitter sweet" for me....

the cards are finally starting to get the recognition they truly deserve

although out of my reach...

not bitter, but happy now I have an incredible collection....regardless of value, I love them!! anyone who truly knows me, knows this is the truth......

am I a crusader?? possibly.....:confused:

some call me the "Grand daddy of scrap" "scrap master"....a true "pioneer"...

I know one thing.....card board gold:)


you might have made profit , but can't bring those back to you...


who is the bitter one??:rolleyes:

Very well-said Johny.


Uh-oh, there you go again. So are you jealous over my having had cards at one time that you now love? Or is it something else? If it helps you any, I've probably only owned about 15 scraps, but I've owned literally thousands of other cards, as well as thousands of other pieces of sports memorabilia. Am I "bitter" over those items as well? Please give me a list of all of the cards I have owned that I am now bitter over. It doesn't matter much to me, but it might prove to be therapeutic for you. P.S. - stay away from sharp objects while you are creating the list.

Face it Scott.....
 

you know those are the ones you truly miss;):D............

thousands of pieces and only a few scraps??? puts it in perspective:D....

It really does. I bought a single example of each scrap type, for use in writing an article, while I bought multiple example of other items that I had more of an interest in. Don't get me wrong - I enjoyed my collection of scraps while I had them.

If it makes you feel any better, I can list for you all of the items that I miss, in order. My T206 Jacklitsch proof would make the list, as would my T205 Reulbach scrap and my T206 Reulbach brown Hindu ledger page. Probably also one of the BL460's. Does that help any? Probably odd to you, but my miscut backs didn't do much for me other than earn a good profit when sold. I did like the upside-down Piedmont that was perfectly upside-down, but quite frankly - it looked like a normal card from either side :)

The item I miss most out of anything I ever sold was my 1909 Pittsburg team supplement that once hung in Wagner's office.

Rob loves his Scraps

Show your T206 card(s) that are more scarce than the JOE DOYLE NAT'L card
 

OK guys....lets switch this train back onto the mainline tracks.



Only a few of these 3 subjects with CB backs have been graded (less than 5 each).
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http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0ddc20c9.jpg




Clymer / CB is equal to Doyle in the number of cards graded.
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TED Z
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Ted..........
 

sorry 'bout that:o

this one's for you ;)

Hi Turner
 

American Lithographic ran thru final press runs of SWEET CAPORAL 460 (Factory #30) cards from the 350/460 series (of which your unique Ames is in). However,
the 57 subjects in this series were never issued with Factory #30 backs.

Circa late 1910 (or early 1911), in anticipation of the ATC divestiture, these SWEET CAP cards were overprinted with Factory #42 (Durham, NC) and shipped there
to be inserted in SWEET CAP cigarette packs.

Here is a Factory #42 overprint which is sufficiently off-set that it reveals the original Factory #30 lettering.


http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...t42ovpt75x.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...f42ovpt50x.jpg



http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...tLowerview.jpg



TED Z
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Sorry for derailing Ted's show :)

Hey Scott
 

No problem......"rail-on" all you want....it's entertaining :)



TED Z
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Ted.........
 

thanks for illustrating...........:D

I'm dying for Chris to release some of his research in this error scrap back...

then you will see guys trying to "re assemble" the sheet....using these scrap pieces as puzzle pieces!

it's awesome shit!:D

these sc 460 no overprint scraps will be chased...

I want to put together the subset:)

Turner just picked up a tiny piece of history!

I'm on 6 of these.....and 1 of them is the only known specimen that I do own...

Mc intyre....

like magee w/ bat, donlin, ect....Chris will elaborate:D when he is ready;)

this one goes out to Jim R, Mike S, and Chris for his research help with me;)

Two very tough Chance cards
 

To date, known examples..........

Only 5 .................................................. ............................................... Only 6
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...SOV460xx50.jpg. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...10Coupon50.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...OV460xx50b.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...0Coupon50b.jpg



TED Z
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Signed T206 Cards
 

I'm gonna call 1-of-1 on these signed T206s...

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This Keeler portrait has a pair of parallel horizontal parallel creases running through the top of his hair. I've never seen another example.

The combination itself is not so exciting I suppose, but this card was once owned by former MLB Commissioner Bowie Kuhn.

If I understand correctly, when Kuhn was a child he used to work the scoreboard for the Washington Senators, which was owned by Clark Griffith, and he was given the card as a gift at the time and kept it until he passed away.

Neat-O.

Derek

Scott...that's a beauty...you deserve that card!

Hey Johnny V
 

Tough red Cobb's......to date, there are:


Less than 6 known
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...gn460x25bx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...EIGN460x38.jpg




8 known
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...edCobb75xb.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...poncobb50x.jpg




TED Z
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I think these two cards would qualify...

What do you guys think?

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j1...ndallfront.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j1...allreverse.jpg

Beauties Frank!
 

:eek:

thanks for the cobb # Ted;)

Hi Frank
 

A really great looking Ty Cobb card. There are less than 8 of them with the American Beauty 460 back.

Also, it appears that your Newt Randall card is unique with the Broad Leaf 350 back. I cannot find another one in any of the TPG's pop reports.


Best regards, my friend.


TED Z
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My only "qualifier" coming soon to an AH near u.

Pronounce that.

A--B--C--D connection
 

1-of-3 .................................... 1-of-3 .................................... 1-of-2 ..................................... 1-of-2
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ntyABCDx50.jpg

.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...tyABCDx50b.jpg



TED Z
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Wow, I didn't know the Clymer-CB back combo was that rare. Thanks Ted, I can finally show a card!!