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Armystrong7979 12-12-2014 09:33 PM

Need help verifying a card
 
I have a babe Ruth card from 1933 it's him with 3 others on the card. How do I know if it's real?

familytoad 12-12-2014 09:37 PM

35
 
It might be a 1935 Goudey.


Those cards featured 4 players, in small boxes (all Braves in this card's case) and a puzzle piece back.
Do you have a scan or cell phone picture?
Easy to ID with a pic:p

Armystrong7979 12-12-2014 09:39 PM

I'm using a cell phone how do I upload pics

familytoad 12-12-2014 09:44 PM

Tutorial
 
http://www.net54baseball.com/faq.php...b3_attachments

Hopefully that link helps, you have to be able to steer this upload feature to the memory card or internal storage of the cell phone that holds your picture.

I'm using a iPAD right now, so I can't grab it from email and post for you, but if worse came to worse, others here may offer to help. It's a friendly group:D

Armystrong7979 12-12-2014 10:01 PM

Pic of the card
 
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Originally Posted by Armystrong7979 (Post 1353969)
I'm using a cell phone how do I upload pics

Heres the front of the card any help would be appreciated.

Armystrong7979 12-12-2014 10:02 PM

Pic of the card
 
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Here's the back of it.

familytoad 12-12-2014 10:22 PM

Ok
 
edited out

Armystrong7979 12-12-2014 10:26 PM

Babe Ruth card
 
I already own it was considering selling it, but would like to know its value before I decide what to do with it.

iwantitiwinit 12-13-2014 05:25 AM

I know nothing about 1935 Goudey's but am guessing it's a fake. It's similar to this recent ebay listing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1933-goudey-...item2ed789f9a8

The seller has a poor feedback rating and he had revised this listing most likely to add that it was a reprint in the description since he didnt note it in the title. Your card is similar as its in a similar holder and the set-up with the card and signature are aligned the same way. Also curious how you have this 1935 Goudey card with signature and dont know what you have.

iwantitiwinit 12-13-2014 05:56 AM

Hmmm my curiosity is growing. In a prior post you gave your opinion on an ebay scammer that sold a Gehrig goudey. In that post one of our other frequent posters slidekellyslide interestingly pointed out that the seller of that card had an ebay name stonesour7979 a name that is very similar to your armystrong7979. I just did a search of the stonesour7979 on ebay and when I do that the seller daddyof41336 pops up does this mean stonesour7979 changed his name to daddyof41336?

That seller, daddyof41336 is currently selling a 1962 topps Mickey Mantle. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mickey-Mantl...item3cee77fac6. Daddyof41336 does have 100% feedback though.

Guess who else is selling/sold an ungraded 1962 Topps Mickey Mantle? The same seller johnny9856 who sold the other Babe Ruth Goudey with cut signature similar to the card you say you own here with similar set-up. Here is the link to the other 1962 mantle: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1962-Topps-M...-/201200071674

I find these names Armystrong7979, stonesour7979, daddyof41336 and johnny9856 to all be very intriguing. What is also intriguing are the cards in question, the fake Gehrig goudey, your 1935 Goudey with Ruth cut signature in a screwdown holder, the other Goudey with Ruth cut signature in similar holder I cited in the thread above (here is that link again: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1933-goudey-...item2ed789f9a8) and the 2 1962 Mantle's (see the negative feedbacks that johnny9856 has).

Does anyone else find all this interesting? I have edited this post because I maybe looking at ebay history incorrectly but Is daddyof41336 the same as stonesour7979? Can someone help me with this part of the puzzle.

If I'm off base I apologize in advance.

AJR 12-13-2014 06:10 AM

Safe
 
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Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit (Post 1354008)
If I'm offbase I apologize in advance.

Off base? No way! You're more on base than Robinson was in the '55 series... Just ask Yogi!

Bigdaddy 12-13-2014 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit (Post 1354008)

If I'm off base I apologize in advance.

I've got a feeling that we won't be hearing from Mr. Armystrong 7979 after your detective work. Nice job.

"And I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you meddling kids"

Leon 12-13-2014 07:11 AM

Interesting stuff. I love how these happen sometimes. It's like watching a slow motion train wreck.

iwantitiwinit 12-13-2014 07:24 AM

Leon, I edited my above post because I am not sure I am looking at the ebay history correctly, is daddyof41336 the same as stonesour7979? Can someone help me with this part of the puzzle.

If not then mea culpa relative to the Mantles's (but awfully coincidental) but I believe the rest of the story holds true relative to the other cut signature and the similarity of the screw down holders and the way the card is set up with the signatures below.

Leon 12-13-2014 07:32 AM

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Leon, I edited my above post because I am not sure I am looking at the ebay history correctly, is daddyof41336 the same as stonesour7979? Can someone help me with this part of the puzzle.

If not then mea culpa relative to the Mantles's (but awfully coincidental) but I believe the rest of the story holds true relative to the other cut signature and the similarity of the screw down holders and the way the card is set up with the signatures below.

It's kewl, I am almost positive you are sniffing the correct (skunk) scent. Here is our newest members (Armystrong7979) original USER ID which he told me he didn't want to use..

Daddyof47979

and who does this guy think we are anyway?


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whelenfan 12-13-2014 07:48 AM

Man, do I love this kind of stuff! You would think that someone looking through posts on our forum would recognize the "intense research level" of a lot of our members and yet they don't think that these same members will discover under handed ness with this same intensity level. I have learned so much since I have joined. Thanks to all!

slidekellyslide 12-13-2014 08:15 AM

Yes, they are the same person...he admitted it to me in PM last night.

Armystrong7979 12-13-2014 08:31 AM

I've admitted everything and even apologized just trying to move on but I have no idea who johnny is that had nothing to do with me sorry again guys for the headaches

K-Nole 12-13-2014 08:37 AM

This is why this group is the most amazing group in our hobby, on the net.

The knowledge this group has is just amazing and so helpful to others.

So glad I found this group.

Leon 12-13-2014 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armystrong7979 (Post 1354045)
I've admitted everything and even apologized just trying to move on but I have no idea who johnny is that had nothing to do with me sorry again guys for the headaches

Good enough for me. Just quit trying to deceive people and do the right things in life. It's much better Karma that way and you will be far more successful, trust me. I speak from experience.

Armystrong7979 12-13-2014 08:54 AM

Will do and sorry again I didn't wanna stir any shit in here but the card I have in question here is legit just wondering if it is real cuz I don't know how to spot fake goudeys if real how much is it worth and is it worth to send off to get graded

iowadoc77 12-13-2014 09:09 AM

Thumbs up!
 
Precisely why I like this forum. The BS filter is set to very sensitive here. I am still very much in the learning phase in this hobby having picked up where I left off in 1992...que the laughing at my worthless late 80s early 90s collection. I am becoming much more educated thanks to this forum. A special shout out to Leon. Thanks for overseeing this forum. I am very appreciative

Leon 12-13-2014 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Armystrong7979 (Post 1354051)
Will do and sorry again I didn't wanna stir any shit in here but the card I have in question here is legit just wondering if it is real cuz I don't know how to spot fake goudeys if real how much is it worth and is it worth to send off to get graded

First of all, try using some punctuation in your sentences. It will make them easier to read. Aren't my sentences easier to read than your long run on ones?

If you can post a better picture of the card we might better be able to tell if it's real or not. I am fairly sure it isn't because of the bottom left corner on the front. If I am not mistaking that is some really white looking paper under the wear to that corner. If it is then that is a dead giveaway it's not real.

ps...if this is about the autograph, I will leave that to others...but usually when there is one fake there are others.

mybuddyinc 12-13-2014 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 1354033)
It's kewl, I am almost positive you are sniffing the correct (skunk) scent. Here is our newest members (Armystrong7979) original USER ID which he told me he didn't want to use..

Daddyof47979

and who does this guy think we are anyway?


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Come on, Leon, I think we're a bit smarter than you think :)

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Stonepony 12-13-2014 11:29 AM

I don't think this thread has anything to do with the card. It's hoping someone will bite on the auto.

Armystrong7979 12-13-2014 11:55 AM

I don't want anyone to bite on the auto never mentioned it. I just asked a question about the card. If I want to use punctuation I will, I use my phone not a computer.

Armystrong7979 12-13-2014 01:12 PM

So can anyone tell me if the card is real or not and how do I tell

Leon 12-13-2014 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Armystrong7979 (Post 1354165)
So can anyone tell me if the card is real or not and how do I tell

You are an admitted scammer. Why do you think we would want to help you so fast? For all we know we will teach you how to be a better scammer. Have you considered that?

Armystrong7979 12-13-2014 01:27 PM

Did it one time omg you guys think I am a serial killer. I thought we've moved on, just asked but hey it's cool. I've made my apologies

Leon 12-13-2014 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Armystrong7979 (Post 1354174)
Did it one time omg you guys think I am a serial killer. I thought we've moved on, just asked but hey it's cool. I've made my apologies

No, actually we haven't moved on. That comes on our terms, not yours. You would be the guilty party and we are the ones you tried to scam. It's not quite that easy.

pencil1974 12-13-2014 01:37 PM

I'll chime in. I've owned quite a few of these and this looks very fake. The paper doesn't look right along with 4 almost perfectly rounded corners. Just my two cents. If you want to know for sure just pay the $15-20 and send to SGC/PSA.

Armystrong7979 12-13-2014 01:38 PM

Oh my fn God this is a fn baseball forum not a fn legal website if you guys wanna keep on keeping them by all means go ahead if that's what helps you sleep at night I did it once grow up move on not my problem you guys have nothing else better to do than sit behind your computer at your moms house and sit here and try n tell me you guys never did anything wrong oh wait forgot I'm talking to a bunch of Jesus's who are perfect

Armystrong7979 12-13-2014 02:07 PM

Since all yall like going after people on eBay why don't you go after that person on eBay who is selling half of a lou Gehrig card starting at 149 for real

Runscott 12-13-2014 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armystrong7979 (Post 1354210)
Since all yall like going after people on eBay why don't you go after that person on eBay who is selling half of a lou Gehrig card starting at 149 for real

We tend to go after the most obvious crooks first and then work up toward the plankton.

Armystrong7979 12-13-2014 02:13 PM

Well just telling Ya about that person on eBay selling half a Lou card there's your next case

slidekellyslide 12-13-2014 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armystrong7979 (Post 1354216)
Well just telling Ya about that person on eBay selling half a Lou card there's your next case

I looked at the "half" Gehrig card....it looks legit to me. Not sure why anyone would want a Gehrig card with his head cut off, but I'm fairly certain it is not a reprint.

buymycards 12-13-2014 02:29 PM

phone
 
I just looked at my phone and it does have a period, a comma, and a question mark. Maybe you should upgrade your phone, or just quit being so lazy.

It seems like one common thread among the scammers trying to sell fake cards is their lack of punctuation and grammar. If I ever decide to sell a fake Ruth I will make sure I use spell check to avoid suspicion.

Armystrong7979 12-13-2014 02:39 PM

I have an iPhone 5 just don't need to punctuate for you guys sorry but your not family

baseball tourist 12-13-2014 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Armystrong7979 (Post 1354228)
I have an iPhone 5 just don't need to punctuate for you guys sorry but your not family

Saving the puncuation for family, are we? What a wonderful Christmas present for them!

Armystrong7979 12-13-2014 02:50 PM

Last time I checked we live in usa I will write however the f**ck I want to you yall don't like too godd**m bad I'm not here to write how yall want me too this isnt an English forum

FirstYearCards 12-13-2014 02:57 PM

And it begins...

4815162342 12-13-2014 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Armystrong7979 (Post 1354231)
Last time I checked we live in usa I will write however the f**ck I want to you yall don't like too godd**m bad I'm not here to write how yall want me too this isnt an English forum


Welcome to the board! You're off to a great start.

baseball tourist 12-13-2014 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armystrong7979 (Post 1354231)
Last time I checked we live in usa I will write however the f**ck I want to you yall don't like too godd**m bad I'm not here to write how yall want me too this isnt an English forum

I'm from Canada. You can write anyway you want, but as for me and for most (if not all on this board), appearing to be mature, at least somewhat educated and possessing the basic people-skills (especially when one is asking for advice from others) would all be considered pluses. Best of luck with your approach though!

Armystrong7979 12-13-2014 03:04 PM

Hey I'm just doing this now because it's pissing people off and they keep biting on my hook not one person as asked me nicely to write a proper sentence with punctuation grammar etc if you take a step back see how fn stupid this is these people were giving me shit about me posting certain cards on eBay now they have nothing else better to do than bitch about F**ing grammar priceless I can do this forever I've spent 4 yrs in the army seen and delt with a lot more bs than this

frankbmd 12-13-2014 03:10 PM

A dead battery in that phone would be a blessing.

baseball tourist 12-13-2014 03:11 PM

The hole you are digging here will soon be so deep that we won't be able to hear your nonsense anymore.

"one time scammer" *shovel*; "thinks we should just move on, because he is sorry" *shovel*; "proud of piss-poor communication skills" *shovel*; "keeps being an ass because he can" *shovel*

Armystrong7979 12-13-2014 03:12 PM

See I can do this all day keep on keeping and so will I if yall would stop writing on this thread n shut the f** k up I'll stop but til then:cool:

autocentral 12-13-2014 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armystrong7979 (Post 1354248)
Hey I'm just doing this now because it's pissing people off and they keep biting on my hook not one person as asked me nicely to write a proper sentence with punctuation grammar etc if you take a step back see how fn stupid this is these people were giving me shit about me posting certain cards on eBay now they have nothing else better to do than bitch about F**ing grammar priceless I can do this forever I've spent 4 yrs in the army seen and delt with a lot more bs than this

Thanks for your service but I think the site could do without a member like you. As entertaining as this thread is.

I have never had a problem with anyone on this site and you are off to the worst start on this site because no one likes fake stuff and scammers.

Is it really so hard to at least use a period at the end of a sentence?

-Nick

Leon 12-13-2014 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armystrong7979 (Post 1354256)
See I can do this all day keep on keeping and so will I if yall would stop writing on this thread n shut the f** k up I'll stop but til then:cool:

Well, actually, if you keep up with your drivel you will be stopped.

Armystrong7979 12-13-2014 03:14 PM

See again point proving yall have nothing else better to do I'll keep on every time yall keep on and to take me down bring the whole military oh wait I just was in the military I can handle myself bring it :D

Armystrong7979 12-13-2014 03:15 PM

What drivel I admitted to everything then yall kept going on n on n on n on

Leon 12-13-2014 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Armystrong7979 (Post 1354260)
See again point proving yall have nothing else better to do I'll keep on every time yall keep on and to take me down bring the whole military oh wait I just was in the military I can handle myself bring it :D

You do realize that it would take me about 3 seconds and you wouldn't be able to post anymore, right? Just want to make sure you understand.

Armystrong7979 12-13-2014 03:20 PM

Yes I know but I've admitted even apologized you accepted now tell everyone to stop going on n on etc I actuall have questions on here

wolf441 12-13-2014 03:40 PM

"Thanks for playing.....we have some lovely parting gifts". http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-St08n2uQtQ...+feud+fail.png

Armystrong7979 12-13-2014 04:06 PM

Real mature

BicycleSpokes 12-13-2014 04:20 PM

just. wow.


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Peter_Spaeth 12-13-2014 04:55 PM

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Give someone rope and they will usually make one of these.

iowadoc77 12-13-2014 04:56 PM

Good time to end this
 
Dude, good time to just walk away. This is a class group of people on this forum. No reason to keep this going. It's over one way or another. You walk away or you are shut down from posting. Your choice. Please make the right one

Leon 12-13-2014 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Armystrong7979 (Post 1354265)
Yes I know but I've admitted even apologized you accepted now tell everyone to stop going on n on etc I actuall have questions on here

I accepted the apology as we all make mistakes and your actions after that left me thinking you weren't sincere. You seem more sorry for getting caught than for what you did, from what I can tell.

Econteachert205 12-13-2014 05:20 PM

Did the card come with the auto when you bought it? Also where did you buy it ? A lot of bad card/auto combos have been on ebay.

Armystrong7979 12-13-2014 05:28 PM

At Leon I am sorry after you accepted apology I was done with it all I kept on cuz everyone else kept on my cousin bought me the card

Mountaineer1999 12-13-2014 05:32 PM

Don't know about everybody else, but this little train wreck was a bit entertaining for me.

grainsley 12-13-2014 05:37 PM

Wow....
 
"See again point proving yall have nothing else better to do I'll keep on every time yall keep on and to take me down bring the whole military oh wait I just was in the military I can handle myself bring it"

To be fair here guys, he didn't say which side he was on.

pencil1974 12-13-2014 05:39 PM

As I posted earlier, it's not real, not even close (the card). But if you want to be 100% sure the easiest way is send to a grading company that is reputable SGC, PSA or even BVG. Easy enough.

Econteachert205 12-13-2014 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pencil1974 (Post 1354336)
As I posted earlier, it's not real, not even close (the card). But if you want to be 100% sure the easiest way is send to a grading company that is reputable SGC, PSA or even BVG. Easy enough.


I tend to agree

clydepepper 12-13-2014 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mountaineer1999 (Post 1354332)
Don't know about everybody else, but this little train wreck was a bit entertaining for me.

+1

- For those not used to abbreviations, that mean that I concur, which means I agree with the quoted post.

I am proud to be an English Teacher's son!

'Lurnin' is shur hard!'

Cmount76 12-13-2014 06:10 PM

Net54baseball - A place to learn, buy, sell, trade, and be entertained!

earlywynnfan 12-13-2014 06:11 PM

Because I'm confused on the timeline, help me see if I'm following this right:

LAST WEEK: tries to scam someone on a card
YESTERDAY: tries to blow smoke about such card
TODAY, 10:30 am: Comes clean and apologizes, kinda
TODAY, 3:30 pm: Whines 'cause you Sons-A-Bitches can't move on
TODAY, 3:38 pm: insults everyone for not helping

My head is still spinning!

vthobby 12-13-2014 06:22 PM

ugh
 
Note:

As an Army combat veteran with almost 30 years of service to this great nation I can tell you without a doubt that those exchanges were embarrassing and quite frankly pretty saddening. Some Soldiers do not need to be told "thanks for your service" when they quite frankly do not deserve it.

peace, mike

clydepepper 12-13-2014 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtgmsc (Post 1354353)
Note:

As an Army combat veteran with almost 30 years of service to this great nation I can tell you without a doubt that those exchanges were embarrassing and quite frankly pretty saddening. Some Soldiers do not need to be told "thanks for your service" when they quite frankly do not deserve it.

peace, mike

You can add the my property manager to that unworthy group.

Salute the Flag, the Uniform, and then the man - if warranted, in that order.

vthobby 12-13-2014 07:00 PM

property manager?
 
Property manager huh? Who would have guessed! ;)

Just wanted to clarify something also. I capitalized the word Soldiers. I am not sure when this became "correct" so to speak but in the military, we always use a cap on the word Soldier(s). I don't even realize I am doing it until I see the post after I hit submit. Kind of like driving a 5 speed and not realizing you are hitting the clutch.

Take care all,

peace, mike

vintagesportscollector 12-13-2014 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mountaineer1999 (Post 1354332)
Don't know about everybody else, but this little train wreck was a bit entertaining for me.

My mom is enjoying this too. She usually sits next to me at the computer to make sure I don't go into any naughty adult sites. Her house, her rules - of course, she is 93 and doesn't have much better to do on a Saturday night.

vthobby 12-13-2014 07:22 PM

movie plot....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector (Post 1354381)
My mom is enjoying this too. She usually sits next to me at the computer to make sure I don't go into any naughty adult sites. Her house, her rules - of course, she is 93 and doesn't have much better to do on a Saturday night.

Ok, this sounds like a good movie plot.......93 year old mom watching over your shoulder......

Any producers out there want the newest comedy? :eek:

Just messin,

peace, mike

pencil1974 12-13-2014 07:24 PM

I guess my biggest concern would be why if he tried to scam anyone would he still be allowed to be on the site.

That makes no sense. No one would trust him again anyway and its obvious his contributions so far have not been stellar so it's not like he's bringing a wealth of knowledge of any kind.

Am I missing something?

thecatspajamas 12-13-2014 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pencil1974 (Post 1354385)
I guess my biggest concern would be why if he tried to scam anyone would he still be allowed to be on the site.

That makes no sense. No one would trust him again anyway and its obvious his contributions so far have not been stellar so it's not like he's bringing a wealth of knowledge of any kind.

Am I missing something?

I think that sometimes it's good to let the Trolls of our hobby have a voice so that they can identify themselves and let us all know what bridge they're hiding under. Not to mention the entertainment factor of watching them try to hide in plain sight.

pencil1974 12-13-2014 07:35 PM

I agree on the entertainment factor for show, who doesn't like watching a train wreck.

I just don't like the fact that he wasn't kicked after trying to scam someone.

wolf441 12-13-2014 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtgmsc (Post 1354353)
Note:

As an Army combat veteran with almost 30 years of service to this great nation I can tell you without a doubt that those exchanges were embarrassing and quite frankly pretty saddening. Some Soldiers do not need to be told "thanks for your service" when they quite frankly do not deserve it.

peace, mike

Hi Mike,

To be fair, he never actually said what army he was part of. I've heard that Lesotho in southern Africa has a pretty fierce military...

vintagesportscollector 12-13-2014 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtgmsc (Post 1354383)
Ok, this sounds like a good movie plot.......93 year old mom watching over your shoulder......

Any producers out there want the newest comedy? :eek:

Just messin,

peace, mike

I'm assuming most got the sarcasm in my post, in jest to the OPs comments about us all sitting in front of the computer at our Mom's house.... I guess it's not funny if I have to explain it ;). I am not that pathetic...well, I probably am, just in other ways :rolleyes:.

Mountaineer1999 12-13-2014 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pencil1974 (Post 1354385)
I guess my biggest concern would be why if he tried to scam anyone would he still be allowed to be on the site.

That makes no sense. No one would trust him again anyway and its obvious his contributions so far have not been stellar so it's not like he's bringing a wealth of knowledge of any kind.

Am I missing something?

I agree with you.... But if deleted don't these guys just come back as different characters?

pencil1974 12-13-2014 07:57 PM

Not really as I think Leon filters them by his sign up process. I would think its hard (but not impossible) for them to come back.


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