Net54baseball Pre-War Set Group Break - Set to be Decided?
 

Hey Guys and Girls
Nick and I spoke about the potential for a group break and given the responses from the other thread think we want to go ahead and try it at least once :). Nick is on board for doing it exactly the way it was laid out in the other thread. I will purchase a set or a partial set of Pre-War cards. That group should have 50-200 cards to make it viable and to not have too many spots to fill. He agrees that we should mark it up 10% (my proceeds will go to a North Texas Animal cause). Then there will be a $1 per card expense for expenses(packaging??) PLUS the actual shipping charge (and we will probably round up so Nick doesn't get stuck holding the bag). Cards over a certain amount will get insurance. If a lower end card gets lost I will cover it. We don't think the partial/set should be too expensive or folks won't be able to afford it. We are thinking somewhere in the 2500-4000 budget range for the group. After the set/group is acquired and Nick has them he will be doing all of the organizing and so forth. We are considering different ways of doing the break too, with Rich K's idea a possibility. Of course there will be 100% transparency in everything we do.Once we have this discussion for a day or two I will be on the lookout for the first set to do. Let's have some fun with it.
Thoughts on a set or thoughts in general??

I'm in. T205 or 1921 Exhibit would be my vote. Problem is one is probably too much and the other not enough. Pretty much no matter what the set I will be in.

1951 Bowman with a chance at Mays and Mantle rookies, but the set may be too big
1952 Bowman would also be interesting and is just slightly bigger than your max size.

1941 Play Ball?

I think the forum should have a vote on what they would pay for a slot and figure out a set after that.

If the consensus decides a $20 break or $50 break you will have an approx price range for the set and can easily pick one in a mid-grade range after that.

I am happy to help where ever I can.

My vote is for the 1955 Topps. Good set with some good rookies (Clemente, Koufax, Killebrew), as well as some good 2nd year cards of Kaline, Aaron, and Banks, and fading stars like Jackie Robinson and Ted Williams.

T206 Southern League Set
Not sure how much that cost though

1941 play ball sounds good to me.

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1940 Play Ball..sounds good to me

Diamond Stars, 108 cards, falls in the price range stated and some nice HOFers just no Gehrig or Ruth which keeps cost low.

A 1954 Topps set went unsold with a $1600 opening bid in yesterday's Sterling auction.

That would have allowed each participant in for about $10. 3 HoF rookie cards and 2 Ted Williams and Willie Mays provide some meat.

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We'd be honored to host the break, it's a public place and full transparency and could even be exciting if you are there :)

+1...don't forget Jackie Robinson!

Pretty Cool Idea, some ideas given the overall price point above (depending on the # of entries)...

1939, 40, 41 Play Ball
W517
1921, 22, 27, or 28 Exhibit Supply Co.
Kashin (R316)
W514
Polo Grounds, National Game or Tom Barker Games

I like this one. I think it's the best for test run: smaller issue, numerous Hall of Famers. Cost and availability are fairly reasonable.

No real home runs here. I'd rather just buy the SL'er I wanted or needed.

I'd like this. Those three HoF RC's are big. If Mick was in 54 or 55 either of those would be no-brainers.

I'm in no matter what set is decided. I do agree with others that '41 Playball and '21 Exhibits would be perfect for the first test run. I'd be fine with '54 or '55 Topps too, but this is really a Pre-war forum so I think the first one should be a Pre-war set.

Net54baseball Pre-War Set Group Break - Set to be Decided?
 

Would be a good idea to test the break with a lower end set first and see how it goes - great idea!

Jimmy

I would like 55 or 54 but I think the big Rookies should be grade 5/6/7.

The $1600 54 set that Sterling had seemed pretty rough from what I read in the description. I am in the minority, but those are 2 of the 3 on my to do list. If I win the Clemente/Koufax/Banks/Aaron I am hoping to not have to upgrade.

Of course, when the drawing happens and I win low number commons, I can open this up and laugh at the idea of me fretting that the big dollar cards wouldn't be graded high enough...

Just going over some of the sets mentioned here, 41 Play Ball looks like a winner to me. I'll be in no matter which set is used but the 21% chance of getting a HOF'er is a nice incentive.
Pencil me in at slot 71 :)

Great idea. I would like the T206 set, but a subset will be much more manageable.

41 Playball or T201 seem like good places to start.

Waiting Patiently...

"Great for the Hobby Guyz!"

Great Idea!

After reading the previous post, it appears that either T206 or 1941 Play Ball are the most requested and I would be happy with either.

'41 Play Ball would be nice...easier to find a set and a nice selection of cards.

Kashin might be fun but finding a complete set might be problematic.

I am all for T205s but it might hurt to watch a set be broken.

If we are talking post-war...might be fun to do 1954 or 1955 Topps or combine both 1953 Bowman sets together.

Joshua

I agree w/ Rhett on the Kashin (R316) + Polo Grounds, National Game or Tom Barker Games. I'd also be in on any 1920's Exhibit sets (1921,1922,1923-24,1925,1926,1927,1928,1929 4-in-1)

I think game cards would be cool as well

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Some great suggestions for complete sets (I like 1941 Play Ball, Diamond Stars, Tom Barker or National Game and T201).

However Leon also mentioned partial sets in his original post. I think this idea would have the best kickoff (we all know Net54'ers are 'partial' to this issue) if a larger lot of T206 cards (perhaps 100-200) were chosen...maybe a group consisting of a variety of Hall of Famers, different backs, Southern Leaguers, etc.

Brian

I have actually been thinking of this for the last several hours......great suggestions by all, so far.

Yeah, I suppose there's no reason to get a complete set when we're just going to break it up. This seems like the best idea since T206s are about all we talk about here :D

This sounds like an awesome idea. I have no suggestions at the moment, but would be interested in anything really.

I like avoiding the heartbreak of breaking off parts of a complete set, especially when it comes to pre-war stuff.

That said, if it were a 50's Topps set (I like the '54 idea) for some reason the complete set break doesn't bother me as much. I'm very interested either way.

Gotta love those t205s. I'm all in for that

Sounds like fun. Count me in!

T3 :-)

Why don't we have SGC to be part of this so they can add "Annual N54-Group Break Set" on the slab and that something I will keep it annually and knowing all of us are carrying a set together.

I like the idea of 100-200 cards set. Anywhere from 30s 40s would be perfect.

We should stay Pre-war era.

Cant wait!!

Best,
Danny

I don't see why it has to be just one set. Why not make it a bunch of cards from different sets. That way everyone has a chance of possibly getting one they want. OJ's all the way through 50's.

I kinda like this idea...

I'd LOVE to be part of this...

My picks (reasonable prices and brilliantly designed sets):

Topps '54, '55, '56
Bowman '50, '51, '52
Playball '41

What about the 12 T205 Minors leaguers to start ?

Any thoughts on a near or partial E120 set for the break? Personally I would like to keep the break pre war.

Another vote for 55 Topps

pre war!

Sorry I haven't been around much (been studying for my mcat), but I vote for either a certain group of t206's (so I can get my first one, lol) or 48 Bowman (due to the fact that it is a smaller set and has a good amount of HOF'er RC's in it)..

A smaller set WILL NOT be good because you have more demand than supply. The 1948 Bowman set has less than 50 cards. A lot of members wanting to participate will be left out in the cold.

Understood. I didn't know the demand would be that much. In that case, t206 would be a good one for pre-war.

I think the original idea of the 1955 Topps works best. Anything pre-war is going to either be too small a set or take too long to acquire. I think pre-war is a great idea down the line, but if we want to do something in the next month, I think is has to be a set that can be picked up fairly quickly.

I am in!
 

Great idea. Definitely want to be part of this! Being a relative newbie to prewar collecting, I will yield to the experts, but I love 1941 playball. Put me down for the DiMaggio... Haha I mean the number corresponding to the randomization that leads to DiMaggio.

'41 playball sounds good. Also like the idea of T cards T201,05,06.. either way it is interesting. Great idea

Thanks for all the input. Keep it coming.

Thanks,
-Nick

I'm definitely interested in this type of group break. However, I am curious how condition of cards will be addressed. If it is a draft pick style break, will we have scans of cards to help us pick?

As of now it will not be a draft break. It will be a standard random break. I'm open for any suggestions but I feel like random breaks would definitely work better for this type of break than draft style break.

-Nick

Do you have a time frame on when this would start?

I am currently on the lookout for a suitable grouping/set or lot(s). I am looking at pre-war baseball more than anything else. Once a set/group is acquired I will send it to Nick and off and away the game goes. I would expect 2-3 weeks, but it could be longer or shorter, as I want to make sure I get a good deal on whatever it is so our members can have some value in what they are doing. Still quite open to what cards it will be but I think some HOF'ers are a must and preferably pre-war since that is what this board is known for.

No time frame yet. But likely the end of the month. We will definitely keep everyone posted.

-Nick

We posted at the same time.....at least we are on the same page... :)

i'm with those who said 41 play ball as a good choice. Honestly though price matters to me more than type of set, 55 topps would be a great lottery at the right price.

t205
or
1963 topps set

I like the idea of doing any set!

I like this idea too!
 

I like this idea too...perhaps a larger, jambalaya lot that you occasionally see from an auction company that consists of multiple cards from 3 to 8 or so different vintage sets. This lot would ideally have some star power to pull in even more participants.

Brian

Having never participated in one of these I'm very interested, particularly if we choose 1941 Play Ball.

My only question is, will we be limiting people to just one chance in order to get 72 different people involved? If a wealthy dealer decides he was to pony in for 25 places then that shuts out a lot of product and people who want to join.

All options for a group or set are on the table. My goal will be to get something with good value and that our members collect. I don't think there has been a bad suggestion yet. I probably want to stay with pre-war but that is not a definite. As for how many places each person will be allowed to buy, my idea is to let everyone buy one, then the leftovers can be doled out after that. Everyone should get a chance before members are allowed to buy more. My bigger concern is getting a group and not selling enough, leaving me with quite a few spots. At the end of it, if there are leftovers then I have no choice but to have them, since I will be footing the bill. The goal will be to sell every one to members and not have any leftover .

I'm definitely in for one and depending on the price (and if there are leftovers) possibly more than one.

I think that's a great idea Leon and I don't think you will be stuck with unsold slots. Perhaps give everyone a deadline to purchase one slot and then leave enough time after that for folks to buy as many additional slots as they like. If the price point is around $25-30/slot, I can see multiple members purchasing 4-5 slots each. If you are going with pre-war, I would suggest tying to keep the buy-in price to $30 or less, at least for this first go-'round. Once everyone gets a feel for the concept, I think people will be willing to put up more $$ per slot...

Just my 2 cents...

Yeap, 20-30 each is the price point I am targeting. I am sure Nick will have some rules about buying them and I will leave that to him. I will happily give some guidance if he needs or wants any, but you guys get the idea. This is about having fun and someone(s) getting some nice cards for the money. This won't be exactly like gambling as everyone who plays will get a card. How much it's worth is the surprise part, of course.

I can't wait for this! Sorry if this has been asked earlier but when will the set be decided?

Leon,

I really like the idea of a "shoebox draft" where there are cards from tons of different sets. At H&S those are our most popular lots and I think it would draw more interest, particularly for those who are not enamored with a T205, 1955 Topps, 1941 Play Ball set (for example).

My guess is the set will be decided in about a week or two. We are still interested in hearing everyone's suggestions.

-Nick

Love the idea and love the fact that Leon is donating money towards his cause. Great stuff.

Love the shoe box idea!!!!!!!!

It could lead to Ts, Ws, Rs, Ds, Ms, minor league cards.

Maybe it would lead to some great trades or sells on b/s/t.

+1 love this idea as well!

I am most definitely in, at the $25-50 range. I would prefer a pre-war, or a shoebox, as also suggested. 1941 Play Ball is a great set choice, but it seems to me the slots would sell out fast. Maybe add some of the paper issue to the list to add a few more opportunities?

Ed

I find it very important, as others have noted, too, that you structure the process so the most people possible get an opportunity to be included. Definitely only allow one entry per person until a certain timeframe (a day or two) passes by…and then you can buy as many slots as your heart desires.

If you make payment via paypal friends & family (or whatever it's now called), then making multiple purchases over a couple of days won't extract additional fees and what not.

A suggestion. Perhaps if you guys determine the buy prices on a couple of the sets you're targeting (that fall within the price range you are seeking), you can then list those sets here and people could specifically vote on which one they would like you to use for the group break?

I'm definitely in for a card or three in the 25-50 buck range. I collect everything so I can get into most any set. Kinda like the shoebox idea or one of the play ball sets.

Thanks Leon and Nick for this great idea! I can't wait until this goes live as I think it will be a great success for the site.

Since this is so fluid of a buy, and I am being more opportunist than normal, I doubt we can take a vote about what exact set/group to get. This thread is about as far as I think I want to go in involving member input. It only makes sense to get what most people enjoy, within the confines that have been laid out. All good suggestions so far. And yes, a hodgepodge of cards isn't ruled out.

colgans would be fun!

I normally just lurk around here enjoying the discussions and trying to learn but love this idea and would definitely want a slot.

This a subset for t206 would be awesome

Would love t206s...but I wouldn't mind settling for 1941 Play Ball. Even if I don't collect them. That or some 1915 Cracker Jacks...idk how that would work considering there are some expensive cards. What about E cards?

As a side note, a t206 break could be arranged in the 40 to 50 price point, and t205s (if a set could be found) in the same, maybe cheaper

I love the idea of a shoebox...or a vintage set...exhibits would be cool.

Maybe too late to chime in, but would be interested in:

Prewar:
1940 Playball
T201
1939 Playball

Postwar:
1952 Bowman
1955 Topps Doubleheaders