Who can slighty best these WHOLESALE PRICES?? ALL CARDS SOLD!
 

I have some cards packed up and ready to go to All Star Cards. Just wanted to see if anyone can slightly beat their prices to convince me to sell to you rather than ship it off to them....here are the cards and prices! Because these prices are very slightly above wholesale, I am asking for payment to be cash, check, money order, paypal gift/payment owed. All prices are delivered!

1960 Whitey Ford PSA 7. ASC is paying $42 - I am asking $SOLDhttp://img2.sellersourcebook.com/use...jpg?1399679473

1957 Bill Mazeroski PSA 7 (Rookie). ASC is paying $85 - I am asking $SOLD!

http://img2.sellersourcebook.com/use...1399679702.jpg

1969 Roberto Clemente PSA 6. ASC is paying $25 - I am asking $SOLD!

http://img2.sellersourcebook.com/use...1401631752.jpg

1960 Sandy Koufax PSA 6. ASC is paying $50 - I am asking $SOLD

http://img2.sellersourcebook.com/use...jpg?1401027655

I'd like the Koufax for my 1960 set. Only need this and four more cards! PM sent!

Craig from Texas

These prices are already based upon wholesale prices. I need to make a little more than $2-$3 to make it worth my while. That being said, the prices need to be firm.

What happened to all these dealers who claim to pay the highest prices?

2 cents
 

They are just like every car dealership that says they have the bottom, lowest price and they'll beat anyone else's price.

The prices that you are getting are pretty good, I don't think you are going to find a reseller to give you anymore. However, you may find a collector.

My 2 cents.

Yea...a lot of people claim they pay the highest prices, but I have not found anyone who can touch the prices ASC pays for cards. And all their prices are right there in black and white for you to see. I like that a lot.

List updated for sold card.

Use caution with this seller. He agreed to sell me the Koufax for $58 and I asked if it would be ok to pay him through paypal tomorrow. He said that would be fine and he gave me his paypal address. Woke up today about to pay him and I got a PM from him saying that he sold the card to someone else for more than we agreed to.

Craig from Texas

Sorry...all cards are available for sale elsewhere for more money. I am wholeselling these ONLY for Net54 members. All cards will remain up elsewhere until I get CASH PAYMENT IN HAND. Too many people have claimed "the check is in the mail", only to have the check never arrive...

Shady

Robert Dixon

Like I said, use caution with this seller.

Craig from Texas

How is that shady?? Cards for sale until payment in hand? I think we need a referee.....

I have had people tell me they are going to pay the next day, and after they wake up, cancel on me. I don't FORCE them to pay. I am like, "that is cool - card still for sale". Craig had access to net54 but not paypal yesterday?? I don't think so. It is an unfortunate situation, and to be honest, I usually jack the price up so high on the other venue, that noone will want it when I have a verbal committment. I forgot to do it in this instance. The way I see it, both parties can share some responsibility in this. But to say I am shady is far from the truth!

Whoa buddy. Hold on there. I have all of my card spreadsheets which I use for recording payments, incoming cards, and all other card related stuff at the office. If you couldn't wait one day to get your hands on my money, you should have stated so and I would have driven to my office, record everything, and pay you. We had an agreement that I would pay you this morning and you reneged. You cancelled on me and accepted a better offer. Not good business if you ask me. Now if I didn't pay you today like WE agreed on, you would have every right to sell to someone else.

Craig from Texas

Now you hold on there buddy! I didn't get a better offer than yours. Did you not read what I just wrote?? Yes, the card sold for more money technically, but after fees and what not, the card ACTUALLY SOLD FOR LESS MONEY THAN WHAT WE AGREED UPON!! Someone purchased it in the middle of the night around 3 in the morning! Like I said, I forgot to jack up the price at the other venue. To villify me is totally uncalled for however. An unfortunate situation happened. That is it.

Like I said, use caution with this guy. He tells you here that it sold for less money but yet here's a message he sent to me...


"Sorry Craig....the Koufax sold on another site last night. I don't pull cards down until I actually have the money in hand. If it is any consolation, it sold for more money...I was actually wholesaling the cards for Net54 members."

Any consolation? Yes, I feel better. Thank you!


Craig from Texas

Damn, let me add him to the list of people to not buy from...

Pretty scumbag move.

lol....not hardly..like I can control what happens in the middle of the night.....I hadn't been paid yet - all I had was a verbal committment.....now Sean....we can really talk about you and how you treated Eric if you want to go that way.

Objective uninvested 3rd party
 

From what was shared I understand that the agreement reached was that Craig would send the agreed upon sale price to Bobby the next day. Did I get that right guys? Further that there was no communication about the card remaining "available for sale" till payment was received. Is that right?

If I got that right then I have to side with Craig here. The lack of clear communication of terms and broken agreement rest with Bobby.

If I got the facts wrong - I apologize. Just trying to help you guys out with an objective opinion.

Offer was given consideration and acceptance.

There are two sides to every story.

To me it sounds like poor communication and execution on Bobby's part. I don't think it was some convoluted issue. The card was left up for sale and shouldn't have been once the deal was made. It sold to someone else. I suggest better and more transparent communication in the future. And take down a card from other places it is for sale, once it is sold. It's elementary selling.

was very poor communication. I have seen cards on bst and when I pm the seller they will tell me they had someone contact them already and a sale is pending and will email me back if the sale falls through. As a buyer I understand that. If you agreed to be paid by a certain date the only way I can understand selling the card to another buyer is if the first person went past the deadline on the agreed upon date of payment.

I see nothing wrong with listing a card on ebay and the forum. I've done it before and I've had situations where I need to cancel one transaction or another (sometimes it just happens). I always go with the person who pays first.

Edited to add:

One situation I remember in particular, a forum member purchased a 1968 Topps set from me for $600. I also had the set on ebay for $900 obo. Someone hit the buy it now option that night for the full $900 about 15 minutes after the forum member paid. I cancelled the ebay transaction.

Now, if the item sold on ebay before the forum member paid, I would have been more inclined to honor the ebay transaction.

You guys had an agreement, then you got a higher offer later at night for more and you sold it. You should have told the second buyer that he was next in line of buyer 1 flaked.

It was not a higher offer. It was for sell on Ebay at a higher price. The listing was not pulled, nor jacked up. After fees, I actually got less money than what Craig offered. An unfortunate situation because of an error on my part.

That is exactly what happened. The Ebay buyer hit the button in the middle of the night, before Craig paid.

The price is not the issue here,In my opinion the listing should have been pulled as soon as there was an agreement to buy, ( it would avoided this situation) If a man tells me will pay tomorrow I will take him at his word, maybe Im just naive.

I've dealt with Craig in the past on jsut a couple of transactions, and I think on all of them, the agreement was he'd pay the next day; which I now know why. I didnt care why, an agreement was made and the card was 'his' UNLESS he broke our agreement (payment on next day, which he of course didnt). As the seller, I don't lose anything IF they don't pay. I would just put the card back up for sale and I'm no worse off.

The thing about a forum like this is that it is collectors working with other collectors. If there isn't any trust, then the forum is worthless.

Also, why not cancel the second transaction? It's pretty easy to do so on eBay, if it was indeed a mistake. That buyer surely will be pretty upset too, but at least you would have stayed true to your first agreement.

My 2 cents.

Just to clarify, my transactions with Steve were very successful and no agreement was broken between he and myself. I believe Steve means to say that IF I didn't pay by the agreed timeframe, he would place the card back on the market.

Craig from Texas

Yes....I made a mistake. In the past, I have jacked the price up so high, around 707 level, that no one would want the card (unless you are a 707 customer). I forgot to do that in this instance, and the card was purchased last night. My ebay sales have been so slow, that I can't even give away cards on there, so it just escaped my mind to do that.

Honest mistake
 

I don't see it as shady. It is an honest mistake and these things do happen time to time.

On another board, I had someone inquire about an item that I no longer had, but would be receiving more within a week or so. This person was willing to wait a week for me to receive, send them pictures and agree on terms. We did just that and I sent them payment information, only to not receive payment or a response. Basically even though we agreed on the sale, I jeopardized possible sales not having it listed. Would I sell to this person if they inquired again? Absolutely. They ended up responding and their explanation is totally understandable, just as the one with the OP.

I'm trying to locate the Koufax on eBay's completed auction search results but can't seem to find it. I know eBay's searches can be tough at times. If anyone can find this card, please let me know as I'm curious to see the details.

Thank you --

Craig from Texas

It appears to have been sold for a best offer of $100 on 5/21!

Not mine...that card has a different cert number.

Plus the one that sold for $100 sold on May 21st. Your dates aren't matching up Columbo. The one from last night isn't showing up yet. It will be the same cert and everything.

My bad, although I also don't see the one from last night.

Ebay has gotten slow with showing recent activity. Usually take a full 24 hours before things start showing up in completed history.

Nor do I. It's unfortunate, call it even absent minded (heck, I'm guilty of that too), but shady? I can see it if he agreed to the price then accepted a higher offer, but he simply forgot to remove the card from eBay.

I've seen dealers make this mistake many times. It happens a lot more than you think. The dealer sells a card at a show that they also have for sale on eBay, but then forget to cancel the auction and someone else buys it on eBay. Again, nothing shady, just a mistake.

I did word my PM to Craig this morning very poorly. I wasn't quite awake yet, and didn't phrase it as carefully as I should have. Being a true wordsmith has never been one of my strong suits. With that Craig, I am sorry. It was never my intention to incoveniece you in any, way shape or form. I do hope you accept my apology.

While the deed has already been done, why did you not inconvenience the other guy? He may have been more understanding of the fact that the card sold the previous night on a different site and you hadn't removed it yet. Seems as though that would have been easier track for an accepted apology than breaking your original sales agreement.

While I wouldn't call the whole sales tactic 'shady', I would agree that it isn't the best way to go about things, especially on an open forum where 'trust is a must'.

Like Jason Simonds said, I had to go with the person who paid first. An unfortunate situation to be in, to say the least.

I highly disagree with that. It's like a contract. You can't, for the sake of arguing, back out of a sales agreement to sell a house to take a higher offer that comes in. Just because the loan amount doesn't show up for about 60 days after the agreement, doesn't mean that you can take a higher cash offer in the mean time. Any offers that trickle in afterwords, higher or lower, cannot be accepted. (I'm not a realtor, but that my best analogy for this.)

I know 'money talks' but when it comes to this forum (and others like it) I just assumed that it was in good character to oblige to agreements made. If you were afraid of non-payment, you should have made it clear that you were keeping the card for sale until cash was in hand.

While you have agreed that you made a mistake, an honest one at that, I find it baffling that you wouldn't try to correctly fix it. I would make all efforts in the future to let it be known that no sale is final until money is in your hand.

I say this all as a buyer who would be very frustrated if I found myself in this situation.

I see it differently. He has two options. Either way, you PO a customer.

Option 1 - PO a forum member and apologize
Option 2 - PO an eBay member, apologize, but still receive negative feedback

I think he chose the right option, but that's just me. Obviously there is no right or wrong answer - you end up with a PO customer either way. Again, unfortunate, but to keep analyzig it over and over doesn't do any good. It's already happened.

Robert,

How about posting the item number of the sold Koufax? I have received a couple of PMs doubting that you sold one last night and I think you would want to set the record straight.

Craig from Texas

201096451637

Much appreciated.

Craig from Texas

LINK TO THE AUCTION

I think that's 3:38 AM EST (correct me if I'm wrong), but it looks like Bobby is telling the truth.

I think no one is to blame, it's just unfortunate. If I agree to a sale on the BST forum, I'm not taking down my listing that minute (especially with this board's reputation of reneging). I mean what can you do? The guy bought the card at 3:30 in the morning the night after to agreeing to a sale.

NP....I have no idea why members would doubt what I say is the truth. Why would I NOT want to sell a card?? I am in the business of selling cards!

Not only this, but at $65 minus the $6.50 in fees and $2+ in shipping, Bobby did lose money. I think that if the email was worded a little different (as in, Sorry dude, I screwed up and sold this on ebay also. I forgot to take it down. Here is the link & I hope you understand.) Craig seems like a reasonable guy & I don't want to speak for him, but it seems like he would have understood. I think how it played out did seem shady. I've bought/sold with Bobby before so I know he's a good guy also.

That sounds like he didn't lose any money. The forum price was $58 and the price for the card on Ebay minus the fees mentioned was $58.50.

I mean, I guess if we're getting real technical it comes out to $8.04 worth of fees.

$65.00 x 9% ebay fees = $5.85
$65.00 x 2.9% paypal fees + $.30 = $2.19

The money doesn't matter. The whole situation was just unfortunate and the message written could have been done better.

As previously stated, the issue isn't about the amount he sold it for and whether it was higher or lower than we agreed upon. The issue is that he and I agreed that I would pay him $58 and wait until today to pay him. He later stated that he forgot to increase the price on his eBay auction and meanwhile it sold overnight. Had he told me this originally, I wouldn't have said anything publicly about it. But for him to say after we had an agreement..

"Sorry Craig....the Koufax sold on another site last night. I don't pull cards down until I actually have the money in hand. If it is any consolation, it sold for more money...I was actually wholesaling the cards for Net54 members."

...well, the whole thing just hit me wrong. After hearing the whole story from him, I do believe he made an honest mistake but his communications to me were not what I would expect from someone who has a great reputation as a seller. I do accept his apology, but still feel that card should be mine! :)

Oh well, anyone have a 1960 Topps Koufax PSA 6 that they want to sell to me for $58? LOL!

Craig from Texas

I think once someone has agreed to buy a card it should be taken down from ebay. I don't think it's right to insist that the person pay first. Just me.

I learned a valuable lesson in this whole ordeal. I am sorry for everything.

You get charged 9% Ebay fees Jason? They are charging me 10%. I thought they charged EVERYONE 10%? If you are paying 9%, care to share? Every little bit helps, especially with the profit margins are so low....

The Ebay fee was $6.50, and the Paypal fee was $2.19, so I actually netted $56.31 compared to the $58 Craig was going to pay me. That is irrelevant though. I would much rather sell it to a board member than let Greedbay nickle and dime me to death like they have for years. I can spend a whole different thread just talking about all I see wrong with that company.

Same shady crap happened to me in February by a seller on these boards, only difference is I didn't receive nearly the support Craig Parker's getting.

Bottom line is if you agree with someone on a price remove the listing everywhere else.

In fact, the seller should contact the ebay buyer and explain that the listing was still up in error and that they'll get a full refund if they already paid and complete the transaction with the original buyer, Craig Parker in this instance.

A few cents either way is no big deal. I was just pointing out what seemed like fuzzy math.

I have an ebay store and I believe I'm only getting charged 9%. I may be wrong.

If a few cents either way is no big deal, why bring it up in the first place?

Yes, you're correct. Store owner's, in general, get charged 9%. Some have special deals with eBay and pay less. 10% is what non-store owners pay.

"In fact, the seller should contact the ebay buyer and explain that the listing was still up in error and that they'll get a full refund if they already paid and complete the transaction with the original buyer, Craig Parker in this instance."


I agree 100%

Craig Parker wasn't the first to pay. We had a verbal agreement. Like someone else said, this board has alot of renegers. I myself have had more than my fair share of them. Until the payment has been made, what am I supposed to do? As I said earlier, usually I take measures to prevent that. That didn't happen. Maybe if some of the board members (I am not referring to you Craig) did a better job at following through.....just a thought.

You are right. I wasn't the first to pay. We had an agreement and you broke that agreement by choosing to sell to someone else. Don't say you didn't have a choice because you forgot to raise the price. Mistakes happen and sometimes a person can increase their already good reputation in their actions following a mistake. After hearing the comments from others, although my opinion is biased, I agree you should have contacted the eBay buyer and explained what happened. It is my belief you acted in the way you did to protect your 100% feedback rating with eBay and to hell with me since this transaction is not EBay related. But of course, I could be wrong but that's how I, and possibly others reading this lengthy thread, feel.

Craig from Texas

Sounds like you just admitted to reneging on a deal you had agreed to. Not a good thing to do if your reputation on this site is important to you. Look what happened to Joey F. for reneging on deals. I will definitely avoid your sales and a B/S/T ban may be in order.

edit: I posted this thinking I was on the first page. It's still my opinion, but I missed a lot of further info.

A verbal deal is not binding in a court of law. I didn't renege on anything. I can tell Rob Lifson I want to give him $5 million for his T206 Wagner card. Until the payment is in his hand, I haven't done squat.

So you're saying your word means nothing... Wow.

But wasn't this agreement 'in writing'? It was not verbal, it was typed. It is written/typed so your argument is null. So, being that you had a written/typed agreement, by definition, yes, you reneged on it.

And to say that a verbal deal is not binding in law is a bit ridiculous. Certainly it is in some cases. It's easy to renege when you are hiding behind a monitor.

Don't blame Craig for being angry. I know I would be.

It seems like an honest mistake. It's not like Robert reneged because he was offered more money from someone else. I have dealt with Robert, and I can say he is an honest and helpful person.

Maybe ship Craig a $10 common or something from his wantlist to try to smooth things over?

Let's play WHAT IF - What if the following morning Craig decides he doesn't want the card? What am I gonna do, force him to send me the money?? Say "You agreed to the deal - you have to pay!!!"....of course not....I wouldn't have a leg to stand on. All the naysayers really need to understand both sides of the fence here.

I don't know why everyone is jumping on Bobby.. It's clear that this was just an unfortunate mistake. It happens on these forums every day.

The best way to avoid these type of things would be to pay for items immediately.

I feel that this is part of the risk of being the seller and it's definitely going to happen. However, you should not have agreed to the terms of the deal if you weren't going to follow them. That's the point I am trying to make. You agreed to terms, but without communicating, you had clauses in your agreement that were not explained.

It's like going to the car dealership and signing a paper to buy a car the next day. The dealership cannot sell the car to anyone else, but the buyer has the option to back out. It's an AGREEMENT made. It's all just part of the business.

Once more, you had THREE buyers; CParker, eBayer, and ASC (which is as good as money in hand). So to say that you were afraid of not getting your money seems a bit exaggerated.

Thank you - this is all I'm going to say on the matter. Craig and I worked out a deal for a card. We had a verbal agreement he would pay me the next day. During the middle of the night, the card sold and was paid for on Ebay. I forgot to take it down. An unfortunate situation, and I am sorry that it happened, but my hands are tied. I have been on the receiving end of situations like this as well. And yes, while not happy, I was understanding. There will be other cards. I am sorry this happened. If you choose not to deal with me, I am sorry you feel that way. I hope you change your mind in the future. For those of you who do choose to deal with me, I promise to do everything in my power to help you out or make sure you are satisfied. That is what I can offer.

I agree, had cparker paid immediately this wouldnt have been a problem. However... cparker and bobby agreed that he could pay the next morning. Had that not been part of the agreement, then yes, the card is for the taking.

It's as if he put the card on lay-away for 12 hours. If the agreement was that the card was his, awaiting payment the next morning, he shouldnt have to worry about it being sold anywhere else.

Steve,

I couldn't have said it any better than what you said. I appreciate everyone's take on this unfortunate matter. I think we all have our opinions on who is at fault. Some say I should have paid right away to avoid this which is true. However, we did have an agreement. He reneged. He could have corrected his mistake. He chose not to. That's what makes me most upset. I've been in the sales business for years and when I make a mistake, I do what I can to make it right, whether it is offering a discount on a future purchase or whatever. Make the customer happy. In this case, he could have done a little research and see that I have a huge wantlist of 828 cards (www.mytoppscards.com) and maybe he could have offered me a similar card of equal value for the same price. I mean, I almost expected him to do something. Well, that's all I can say on this. It is what it is. I hope we all can learn from this and be better for it.

Craig from Texas

That isn't correct. Until the deal is funded, every dealership I know (and I know many, I used to own a company called Dealer Advertising Solutions, LLC) will take the money from the first customer that comes up with it, agreement or not.

If you want to see this for yourself, walk into a dealerhsip, yank the salesman's chain for a while and then tell him you'll be back tomorrow to buy a certain car. When you get home, look on the dealership's website and see if that card is still listed or if they removed it in order to hold it for you. I guarantee that it will still be listed. Dealerships DO NOT remove their cars from website inventory until the deal is funded.

And to add to that, sometimes dealerships will leave cars on their inventory website even after the car is sold to generate more leads (especially if it's a hot car). Customer comes in looking for that car, car was sold three weeks ago and the salesman (well, any good salesman) flips them to something else.

I have two issues-

One- the policy of having to receive the money to count as done is imo way off (not to mention its not listed on your sales thread here). So basically what you are saying is if we agree to a deal and I mail you the money, if someone pays you via paypal you are going to cancel our deal and send me my money back? If thats the case I would imagine you will lose a lot of potential customer here.

I always treat the BSW here: when a deal is agreed upon that I will give the buyer a reasonable amount of time to complete the payment, really no different than ebay or any auction house. You really fail this and maybe it was just a mistake this time around but you keep stating its all about receiving the money first, if you are set on that it should be in your bsw listings and count me out for any future business. That said I think if any seller has a sale and holds the card and someone fails to pay in a reasonable time they should be outed here to save others from the same issue.

Second, it has happened to me on ebay where I cant find a card that just sold in my store and I had to cancel the ebay sale, In those cases no feedback can be left, the transaction is canceled because nothing was sent.

I know your a good guy Rob but when you made a choice to honor the 2nd sale which was ebay over the first, imo that was a bad decision. You also haven't really came out and said what you would do the next time it happens?

As the seller, you have to get the buyer to AGREE to cancel the sale. Good luck with that. Even if he does agree to canel the sale, yes, absolutely feedback can still be left. A cancellation of the sale does not take away the buyers right to leave feedback. I think that is a common misconception.

My advice (for what it's worth):

- Bobby, I feel like you made an honest mistake but at what cost are you willing to let this go on? You're in the business of selling cards and this site is a big market. I know Craig has a big want-list of cards so maybe you could work out another deal with him to help check something else off his list to show everyone that you're willing to fix a problem.

- Craig, I feel like you got the raw end of this deal but if Bobby is willing to work with you on your want-list stuff then maybe you could agree that this was all an honest mistake and hold no hard feelings.

We could all feel good knowing that Craig got something out of the deal AND that Bobby is willing to work with his customers to make them happy in the event that something like this were to happen again.

Or you could not listen to me and keep arguing so I'll have something to read while I kill time at work.

Maybe my analogy was bad. I'll accept that. I just always assumed that when I left my $500 check to 'hold' the car til the next morning, that that was an agreement that it wasn't going to be sold to anyone else until I came back on the agreed time. Maybe I shouldn't make uncommunicated inferences either... :rolleyes:

I've said all I can say for this thread. In the end, I don't like the sales tactic that an agreement can be breached if money is not exchanged ASAP.

Buyer does have an opportunity to renege on his offer, and that would suck for the seller (what Bob was afraid of). But in the same case, the seller can renege the card and leave the buyer without a card (poor Craig). But as the seller, I feel as if they/we/it/whomever assumes those risks, not the buyer.