1962 Post Cereal
 

I started collecting most football sets during the 2012 National Convention in Baltimore. But I've been chasing the '62 Post set for almost ten years now, and still need six cards to complete my set. All needed cards are SPs, including the tough #93 Dave Baker. The Standard Catalog says "Players who were pictured on the less popular cereals are scarcer and more valuable, explaining the higher prices on about two dozen of the cards". If you don't know by now, I collect cards in ANY condition, and thought I'd share a couple of my favorites:

"Pinking Shears" variation:
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"Nine Year Old with Scissors" variation:
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One last scan #74 Sam Baker one of the toughest cards in the set, and I think the most expensive? I picked up this card at last years National Convention in Chicago, the last card I've added to my set!
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Thoughts on this set anyone?

Beautiful Set
 

One of my favorite FB sets.

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Precious memories
 

Larry,
Thanks for sharing your passion for the 1962 Post Cereal football set. I, too, love the set, though I completed mine 52 years ago.
We lived in a rural area outside Pensacola, Fla., and my Mom would drive to the Navy commissary every 2 weeks, then stop at a couple of civilian grocery stores on the way home to take advantage of whatever was on sale. I'd head straight to the cereal aisle looking for boxes that had players I needed. We ate a lot of cereal in those days -- my Dad liked to snack on cereal and, fortunately for me, would eat any flavor we brought home -- but it was still a challenge to find cards I needed as the promotion wore on. I can still see those cereal boxes with the product bulging out the back after I cut the cards off right away to keep them from getting creased or stained. We did the same drill with the baseball sets, but the football set was special because it included so many players not featured in the gum sets of the day.
Thanks for reviving some pleasant memories that remind me how much of my collection I owe to my mother's patience (she also stopped at convenience stores on the way home so I could check for the latest series of gum cards).
B.ob Ric.hard$on

Cards needed?
 

What #'s do you need? I might have a couple of them! I even have a few cut with pinking sheers. Sam Majors

It's a GREAT set. Here's a scan of one of the pages in my binder. Who do you need? I have some doubles as well.

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jeff

1962 Post Football need: 028 059 093 117 136 139

This is one set I also collect. I'm 37 cards short right now, but I have a question for anyone who might be intimately familiar with these.

Are there any known fakes or illegal reprints of these? Reason I ask is about 20 years ago I bought a really nice Johnny Unitas at a show in California. It is on pretty thin card stock compared to all of my other cards. Is there a variance in thicknesses on these? Or did I (hopefully not) get taken?

At one time back in the 80's, I had a reprint of the Jim Brown Post cereal card, so I know that some reprints were made. It did have "REPRINT" printed on it where the Post logo should have been. Not sure about your Unitas. All of my Post cards have the same thickness, but I haven't seen the quantity of examples that others on this board have seen. And, by the way, welcome to the board!

Hey thanks. BTW, love your avatar. Kelly's Heroes is one of my all time favorite movies.

I'll try and post my Unitas tonight for some opinions. Hopefully no "negative vibes, man!"

I have the complete set plus some doubles and they are all the same thickness. All were hand cut from cereal boxes.

jeff

:confused: Oh, wow. This is a tough one. To me, the everything on the front seems spot on, unless I'm missing something. So I can see where the difference in thickness would be your concern. I'm going to "have a little faith baby" :) and hope for you that it was just a box manufacturing mishap, but if anybody has come across any counterfeits of these cards or can provide any more insight, please chime in. If you have a magnifier, compare the printing layout of your Unitas to the others that you have.

I've checked it out using a 16x jewelers loupe and the dot pattern looks similar to the others I have. I can also look at it on edge, next to any other card, and it seems to be a little over half the thickness of the others.

I had a chance 2 weeks ago, at a local card show, to examine an uncut panel with Unitas on it, but didn't even think about it then. Oh well.

Did a little un-scientific investigating. Right now, I'm wishing I had a paper thickness gauge, but I don't. However, I do have a cheap digital caliper, so I thought I'd give it a try. Measuring the Unitas and another random card (Bill Pellington was handy) in several places around the card, the Unitas averaged .34mm (about .013") and the Pellington averaged .46mm (about .018"). that seems like a significant difference to me, but maybe I'm just being hypercritical and trying to find an excuse to buy another Unitas.:rolleyes:

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That's awesome news and great information, thanks!

I do have other questions about the set. Since I've been looking on ebay at other Unitas cards for comparison, I started to look at the cards in the set in general and have started to see "differences" in printing (variations?) on most cards.
Here is an example (scans borrowed)

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@ cards of Ed Khayat, from the Eagles. At first glance they are just the same card, until you start to study and compare the pictures. The card on top has the photo section "shifted" slightly upward leaving a smaller gap between the tower in the background and the upper border of the photo, compared to the card on the bottom. There is more grass showing between his shoes and the bottom border of the picture as well. But the ting that intrigues me the most is the 2 white flagpoles you can see in the bottom card, on the building behind the player (I'm assuming this may be part of Municipal Stadium?) have been removed from the top card. I see this same phenomenon on a majority of the Eagles cards as well.

Do you know if there were multuiple printings of these? Maybe using different plates/screens? maybe printed in 2 different locations?

I've seen subtle differences like these in a majority of the cards I look at from this set.

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That is so cool! And yes, I'm a variation junkie. Probably as a bi-product of my other hobby (stamp collecting), so I guess I just opened up a big ol' can of worms for myself. I think it's also a certain amount of OCD for me to to be "complete" with things, such as jigsaw puzzles (another pastime for me).

I have noticed that some cards are over saturated with blues, and some cards have a more natural coloring. I thought maybe it was poor Quality control, but the box color makes perfect sense.

Thanks for the great information!

That's why I love this board! Thanks for sharing all of your knowledge and insight on the Post set Kirk! ...and I'm happy for you Richard that your Unitas is legit like we thought.

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That's very kind of you. Thanks!
It was actually going to be my next inquiry if such a reference existed.

Message sent. Actually, I PM'd you as well, before I sent the email.

I do have another question.

I've recently been taking notice of uncut panels being offered here and there and see that, at least for the ones I've looked at, there is a white space, or "gutter", around the cards which made it possible to cut them nicely and leave a full black line framing the card.

This sad Bill Kilmer card has blue on the outside of the black line on 3 sides. It's the only one I have that doesn't have white. I also notice it is thinner, like the Unitas. Another tray card?
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Thanks for all the great info Kirk. The 2010 Standard Catalog makes no reference to any of this stuff:) So I have just spent the last half hour thumbing through my cards and found this one. #37 Sonny Jurgensen (on thin stock). Now I know it was cut from a 1oz. Alpha-bits single serving box. Great stuff Kirk!
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Larry

I don't have an instrument to measure the thickness of the card. But going through my near set, I found a few that seem a little thin:
#44 Chuck Weber
#103 Bob St. Clair
#186 Frank Youso
#193 Joe Krakoski

Also this one that feels thin for sure, and has the "gutter" that Footballdude mentions. So I would guess that this Bobby Layne card #126 was cut from the "Post-Ten Bottom Tray"?
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It's always fun to see the stunned silence when Kirk, the king of 60's memorabilia, opens up the kimono.

Stunning pictures as usual, Kirk! Your knowledge about Post Cereal football could fill a book. Great insights. But now I'm going to have to go back through my set and take an even closer look at these cards.

jeff

Interesting. Possibly pre-production samples of some sort? Would be pretty cool to find something like that in the Post vault.

Very cool booklet! Was this an insert in boxes of cereal that the cards were on?

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I don't have anything to add; I just wanted to thank you guys for a fascinating thread. I had no idea about all of the variations, but it's no surprise at all that Kirk is the expert. Like Jeff, I think I'll dig out my set and look at them more closely.

Post had CFL issues in 1962 and 1963, also. I've sometimes wondered why they did a CFL set in 1963, but not an NFL set.

Thanks for the info on the booklet. Yet another interesting part of this set I'd like to find for myself.
In regard to the different variations, and me being primarily a Dallas Cowboys vintage collector, I noticed a variation in the Glynn Gregory photo. There is a version of that card that shows more of the antenna tower on the right. Never thought much about it, and never knew there were a ton of other variations in the set. Thanks again for your insight!

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Great stuff Kirk! Thanks for posting. By the way, it looks like that '60 Unitas is still on the box! That's a tough one in itself, much less being the complete box.

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Kirk all I can say is WOW!

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I'd like to second the WOW!

I was trying to see all those pictures on my tiny android screen at work and it just doesn't do them justice. They are even more impressive on my larger monitor here at home.

Are the Brown, Hornung, and Taylor photo's the originals for the cards?

An observance:
In your black & white photo of the TV commercial, I notice that it appears that Jon Arnett, Paul Hornung, Sonny Jurgensen and Sam Huff cards are all pictured on that box. Were they all Post Spokespersons? I ask because those 4 are also who is pictured on the 4 Post booklets in this set.
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And as usual, the BIG Beckett football book don't say much about these booklets. Were they inserted in the cereal boxes or were they a send in offer or something?
I had all 4 but in a moment of weakness, I ebayed 3 of them and kept Arnett for my RAMS oddball collection.

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Love that Unitas portrait! Here's the Gifford.

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jeff

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Am I wrong or is there just something satisfying about seeing stacks of nicely cut, ungraded, Post football cards.

It's one of my dreams to go to an estate sale and find a box full of meticulously cut Post cards..........and be the only one there with an interest in them. In this rural area, I could totally see it.

Thanks for sharing all the wonderful images.

I believe they call that a "deckle edge" ;)

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Question
 

Hi Kirk. Kim Marks here. Been a long time. I see you have gotten back into the Post Cereal football since we last were in contact many years ago. Great to see. I have a question for you if I might. Throughout this thread of posts, you reference the Unitas card to be an Alpha Bits individual card coming from Treat Paks. While I totally agree it is an Alpha Bits individual card, I was wondering how you are able to say it came from the six package variety Treat Paks as opposed to a 10 cereal variety package 10 Treys? For me, while probably pushing 80 total cards of the 6 players of the individual alpha bit cards and never seen any difference in the cropping, blue around the outside covering the right two thirds of the card, or other telltale identification markings, I was hopeful you could tell me how you knew that information. I have the complete 10 Trey package which I showed you a number of years ago. So I know those ABI cards exist. But I've never heard anyone say with certainty cards existed on Treat Paks in that issue, and if they did it has always seems certain to me that they were exactly the same cards and you could not tell them apart. So any light you can shed would be very appreciated. If you still live in the area that you used to, maybe we can get together again sometime. Have some interesting new material related to post cereal football that I've acquired in the 15 years or whatever it's been since those meetings at your house.

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Once again, thank you Kirk for posting photos of all of your cool Post Cereal memorabilia!

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Wow, just WOW! Although I've had my Post set started for a while, I am just now beginning to see uncut panels and flattened cereal boxes that have survived all these years. But it's simply amazing that a complete package like that has survived intact. It had to have been in the back room of a grocery store all that time.
This picture and a couple of the earlier ones with this showcase of cards is phenomenal to me. Not just the Post items but all the other cool things in the case as well, like the Bazooka cards and that really neat Gridiron Greats blotter in the upper left.

I have to admit I never really cared for the Post cards, but you guys are changing my mind, love these pics.

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No more awesome photo posts of trinkets from this set!? What gives?

A while back I bought a complete back panel on eBay. They do show up every once in long while. At the time, I think I paid around $100 for it. Ever since then, when I've seen one, and depending what stars are on the panel, they can reach $300 easy. I still fantasize about a complete set on uncut back panels. Doable...maybe, but I'm not a rich man.

One thing I've always wondered:
Is it possible to collect a complete, basic, set on uncut panels, without duplicating any cards?

The expert(s) can chime in here, but I'm pretty sure the answer to that is no.

This is a great thread; thanks for posting!

Perhaps I am tired but I seem to have missed this: I get that there are cards on the big packages of cereal and on the tray that held the single servings. Were there cards on the single serving boxes too?

Not sure, but I doubt it. I've never seen one. I've managed to save images of all the box panels I've seen. Maybe I should post a couple! There are different sized boxes that had less than the standard seven cards on them. I know of 3-card, 4-card, 5-card, and 6-card back panels. The six card panel I've seen may have been with the top (or 7th card) and header chopped off though, so I can't confirm that one.

Edit: Correction...there are 6-card box panels, confirmed.

If I get a chance I will post some "Post" items that haven't been posted in this thread- Stay Tuned !

BTW - A complete mint set of 62 Post Cereal in uncut Panels does exists. I know someone who owns it.

I am surprised that you don't own a set Carl! You have everything else.

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Here's a couple of the smaller, and harder to find back panels. The first one with three cards is from a Grape Nuts box I believe.

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This is really a great thread. Below is the large point-of-sale display that Kirk referenced. ~ Mike

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It was late in the fall of 1962. My family and I lived in Skokie, Illinois. I was in third grade, and struggling mightily to comprehend English grammar.

My teacher, Miss Lewis, was a young, very attractive woman, and very nice. Patient. All of us kids loved her.

I just couldn't seem to understand breaking the English language down. Among many of the vicissitudes, the participles were too much for this simpleton, and I was falling apart with self-doubt. Moreover, I was very shy, and had a speech impediment. My mother and father even hired Miss Lewis to tutor me one evening a week.

Well, early one afternoon she called me up to her desk. She showed me the back of a box of Post Cereal. There before me were 7 beautiful Post football cards, of players I had never seen. She said something to the effect that if I was able to complete the current challenging English assignment, I could have the panel!

You better believe I worked hard and got the assignment done. True to her word, she presented me with the panel. I don't remember any of the other boys saying anything to me about the matter, and I sure didn't want to incur their wrath or jealousy. We were a close bunch though, and they knew I was having great difficulty with English grammar.

I was so touched she thought that much of me to give me a whole panel of Post Cereal football cards---none of them familiar to me! In retrospect, I imagine she took good care of herself and ate a healthier cereal, such as a large box of Post Grape Nuts Flakes. No kid with good taste wanted THAT! Which, of course, explains why I had never seen those Post football stars. Grape Nuts Flakes was an adult variety of breakfast cereal consumed by the geriatric set, and the few health nuts of the time. Being a low percentage of their cereal-consuming population, Post did not print very many boxes of the larger size Grape Nuts Flakes.

Throughout the Post baseball and football trading card promotions, a decent number of the short prints could be found on the Grape Nuts Flakes boxes. When I went cereal hunting while my Mom grocery shopped, I never thought to look at the back of those boxes. It never occurred to me as my mind was on Alpha-Bits, Sugar Crisp, and a couple others. Besides, on top of that, grocers stocked them on the top shelf, where I could not as yet reach.

I still wound up having to repeat third grade, which really was good for me. Most of my Post football cards were tossed during the move our family made in '64. Fortunately, my Post baseball cards were saved.

I have a very tender and special place in my heart for Miss Lewis. Never will I forget her kindness and thoughtfulness to me. The cards I may not have, but the memory, this time, is even more precious. A famous quote of Maya Angelou comes to my mind when I remember dear Miss Lewis:

"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel."

Here is a case where I cherish what she did, how that made me feel, and the smile and genuine look of kindness on her face.:o ---Brian Powell

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What are the greenish looking things that say "Football Album" on them? Are those something used to keep the cards in, or is that what was mailed in to receive cards?

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6-card Post Cereal Panel, Meredith
 

Was anyone watching the three 6-card panels that ended tonight? I was hoping to win the one with Meredith but it was just out of my reach.

I saw several panels end a couple week ago, and was in awe at what they ended at. Never looked at them before, so I am sure it was just that I am unfamiliar with them. I had a guy at a local show about a month ago, offer me a panel with Unitas on it. He wanted $175 for it, which I thought was a bit high, until I saw what they go for on ebay. Thinking back, I might should have gotten it. Maybe he'll be at the next show in September.