Ty Cobb 1911 D304 General Bakery, "Star Breads" Card
 

I recently obtained a Ty Cobb D304 card at the bottom of an estate box, along with several other older cards such as Babe Ruth 181 etc.. my question, as I am not a collector and I have gone through the expense of having them rated from SGC, is where is the best place to determine a value as none of the sites have this card priced, they have the Braunner (SP) card listed. I expect grading back tomorrow and as I stated I am not a collector so I am trying to make sure that I don't get screwed over by one of these "collector" sites or by an auction company.. Any feed back much appreciated.

I think I would wait another day before getting too worked up.

probably fake...post some scans.

Cobb
 

+1 - I hope for your sake they are authentic. Please keep us posted.

Tony

The chances of those 2 cards being in the same box, and being real, are slim to none. But good luck to the OP nonetheless.....

Best of luck on authenticity. Here is picture of a couple of my D304's for reference.

http://i60.tinypic.com/2mgrqxi.jpg

thanks for the input, so far multiple "experts" has said they are not fake but that is why I am having them graded.. They are the General Baking with the Star breads on the back, quality on the ty cobb has no creases, only slightly rounded corners.. they passed every test the local shops tied, 20x magnifier to look at printing, checked with black light, but if they are real then great if fake, then like the shop I took them to said, they are damn good.. I found 12 other high end different cards and before you ask, this was from someone estate that passed away.

not posting a scan as the graded versions will be done tomorrow, so if they are real, I will post the graded version, if they are fake, then so be it.

not to excited, really don't care either way for me, I have very little invested in the box of junk they were in.

if u post scans we can tell you if they are real today!!!!
c/mon...you know u can't wait!!!!

not sure how you will be able to tell better than "Just Collect" whom seem to think authentic, they have pictures of it already, I am not a collector.. I have taken them to several local reputable companies in the area that handle high end cards they all said same thing, if forgeries, the best forgeries they have seem and based on the quality, and I agree, that they needed to be looked at by experts.. BUT, if they are real, and when they are graded, I will gladly post a picture and the information.

I am hoping all 15 vintage cards are real.. lo.l

What was the name of the person you dealt with at JC?

You can look up on SGC website and see if they got graded or not.

Any chance we can see one scan?

I have pictures of them in the screw downs, was afraid to take them out.. had a local collector take them out.. I will post in a while.

screw downs!!!!...this is getting good!!!

Here is one picture

Second pic. Trying to figure how to post.

The local shops checked the printing and all the normal test but really don't care tomorrow will know if real or not from professionals. The screw downs are really scratched

Yes the picture looks like ink /glue. Not real uniform in jewlers loop and printing is solid block

100% fake.....

hmmm...agreed...it looks pretty good.

The lack of detail on cobb's face(pink rosy cheeks)...as compared to the other authentic copies is a concern to me.

I will be curious to see the outcome...I hope they are real for your sake!

It looks awful.....hideous actually. Look at the color of the edges and the uniformity in the rounding of the corners. Corners don't wear like that. A beginner could see that it's a reprint.

send me the dunce cap and I'll go sit in the corner for a while!!!! in my defense I've never owned a d304!!!!

Leon. I would love to know your basis. Jealousy or ignorance. I don't remember asking for opinions on real or not that's sgc if fake then no big deal. If real Then great.

And if your wrong Leon that makes you what a freaking idiot

Does Leon own one. I can show you three cards that have rounded corners and btw not uniform at all. You know what this is waste of my time dealing with idiots like Leon. Asked a question. Not trying to sell and unless I see Leon's name on a professional grading his opinion is worthless

Leon has tons of knowledge and youre on here making a a$$ outta yourself when he gave you his honest opinion. He's right the corners are not from average wear. somebody purposely did that and if you had any sense at all youd listen to the experts on here instead of getting so defensive because youre realizing theres a very good chance theyre not authentic

Dig your hole a bit deeper my friend....here is mine...I told you a few posts up why but you are too busy being ignorant. I am only 100% sure of what I am saying so there is still some room for error :).

http://luckeycards.com/pd304cobb.jpg

That Cobb is obviously fake.

REA's magnets look more authentic than that Cobb.

If it's fake fine but are you willing to put your card on the line

Leon, this card is not "yucky"

Are you such a small asshole that you truly can't handle experts telling you that a few thousand dollar card is fake?

These must be real...
 

I got them in screwdowns .:D

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Sure if yours is real then you can have mine. Yours is fake. Don't take it personally. BTW, I may not be an expert but my name is in the front of the Krause Baseball Price guide and the Beckett price guide as a contributor....is yours?

I never asked for "experts" opinions that's why I sent it to sgc. I have 100.00 in to the whole box from the estate. The true experts are looking at it now. I've had individuals that own very large stores that deal in these collectables handle this card in person yet this "expert" can tell thru scratched plastic that has all kinds of crap on it can tell hmmm.

I never claimed to be what I'm not but my name is in multiple professional journals does not make me a professional on it all. Tomorrow sgc will complete grading if real I'll gladly post as well as if fake

Few thousand dollar card? Ok.

Wha'?!:confused:

LL, ban this guy!!! :mad:

Here is a link
 

Here is a link for an FUGLY example for $1500

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1911-1914-D3...item3cda535d3a

Sorry late to the show, let me get my popcorn ready, hold on...

OK continue...

LOL :p

If Leon is an "idiot" idk what the hell that makes me :eek:

18 posts and already his head is being called for......Not a record but damn impressive none the less.:eek:

I know Mike, but a noob calling Leon an idiot? Just gets my Italian temper up! ;)

The Cobb in the screw down is an obvious fake. I would guess 90% of "local shops" would be clueless to the Cobb. "Estate sales" turn out to be fakes more times than not. The OP seems to be quite arrogant, shouldn't his name be posted too?

He's over the 15/day limit at 15.02 currently.

Calling the moderator of a vintage baseball card website an idiot or ignorant is never a good sign.

Even Adrian made it to 1000 posts

Yeah, I was kind of letting the name thing fly since it's only me he is calling an idiot. His name is Steve and his last name is after the S in his User id.....He'll get over it....not a big deal. Myself and many board members consult with the grading companies, on their behalf and on our specialties, but how is he to know?

I shall make a note of that in case MY brain completely shuts off. It could happen you know.:) If I could only think of an example......:eek:

Yes, but he did it in a week and a half.:D

Leon. I'm not trying to be ass. I have had so many different opinions from multiple large companies that had multiple cobb cards t206 and others that all stated same thing. Tired of people giving opinions without touching. I'm not trying to scam anyone I had a simple question if real by sgc grading where can I find pricing. I didn't want to post picture because how piss poor the picture is but did it after multiple request. If it's real great. If not then fine but no where did I ask for input on that you cannot tell me that by looking at bad quality picture you can tell anything I trust the store owner with multiple cobbs graded and others whom have touched it and looked at it I should have just waited until grading to ask question.

As to name I didn't know it wasn't showing

Just to be clear only this forum has claimed fake I have standing offers from local major collectors

Then if I were you, I would sell it ASAP

I'd bet my dollars on the mass opinion(s) of this board any day of the week.

No the only thing that matters is a grading company grading not this or any other site

Steve, the edges of the card are way too white. And When corners that are originally square, have rounding over time, they don't round so cleanly. And I am not even getting to the erased paper loss at the bottom of the back where the word "Reprint" used to be. I am 100% sure but of course I don't expect you to believe me. Call SGC and ask anyone there about me.....especially the graders or the customer service manager, Earl. I admit I still make mistakes but this isn't going to be one of them.

Steve, The experts you have contacted use more than one of the board members here as a consultant. Whether you know it or not, you WILL NOT find a more knowledgeable crew of guys ANYWHERE. PERIOD. What knowledge cannot be culled from this board, died and was buried with the printers of the cards we collect. Happy Collecting.

There is zero eraser points I can guarantee that

I don't collect just wanted one little piece info

And with this statement your ignorance is proven.

Taking your cards to a local dealer who deals with the shiny stuff is a waste of time. 90% of them don't even know what to look for, when dealing with vintage. This place is your best bet of getting true and accurate opinions when dealing with vintage. If people here say your cards are bogus, then they are. It's that simple.

If it's fake then no issue. I don't know enough either way but when done either real or fake it is what it is but the black marks you see on back are not on card and the card is all basically same color. But again that's sgc or psa to determine if found real planned on psa to verify

Where did I claim to be a collector and this is why card collecting is becoming a thing of the past

That is the only part I am not 100% sure of since it's hard to tell from the scan. But the authenticity is not a question. It's not even close. And again, that is just my opinion (and others in this thread). I have bought my fair share of bad cards over the years but over time have done it less often..... You will get your SGC answer soon and this won't be in your top 1000 learning lessons in life. It's just not that big of a deal. And one other thing. That card in a vg grade is about a 9k-12k card, with a common back as that one is. The Martens back is one of two known and would probably go for a little more.

Maybe I'm erasing the population reports wrong but psa shows 1 of yours and none of the star bread. And sgc only shows 1 &2. Of the star. But either way first things first see if real or not

Reading. Autocorrect

Yours is called D304 General Baking (not Star), mine is called D304 Martens Bakery. There are 2 Cobbs known (that I am aware of) with a Martens back.

Here is the PSA one you speak of...

http://sports.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=717&lotNo=81077


I won a half a dozen or more of the other Martens backs in that HA auction. But that is only the 2nd Martens backed Cobb I am currently aware of.

If this is real I'll have it appraised before I sell it if it's fake I have a wobbly table that will be fixed

Steve,

I have a question for you. You said that there were about 15 cards in "a box of "junk". Leon as correctly evaluated a "real" Cobb in that condition as a $9k-$12k card. The Ruth you mentioned in your original post if it was "real" and in similar condition would be another couple grand. Given the value of those two cards and your admitted lack of knowledge, the other 13 cards may be an additional stack o' cash. We are talking about $15K up to god knows what. Why would someone know enough to put such "valuable' cards in to screw-downs and then throw them in the bottom of a junk box? :eek:

Skrubinski, for Leon's card, both psa and sgc each show 1 graded. For your back, a General Baking back, sgc shows 8 graded and psa does show any specifically (though there are 2 with the back not identified). While the General Baking is not the most common back, it is also far from the most difficult. I would honestly suggest you take real consideration into what everyone on this board is telling you. Everyone is trying to be as helpful as possible and ultimately save you the $40+ per card grading fee that sgc will charge.

DJ

It's already being graded. If it's fake it's fake.

So based on all the negative statements I should assume the following are reprints as well

And this one