Peter Nash where are the items you stole from me!
 

Peter Nash where is my 1912 Red Sox World Series Player Diamond Stickpin and the 1868 Albumen photo of Brooklyn Atlantics that you stole from me and gave to Al Angelo as collateral. Below is a copy of the collateral list filed with the court and used as an Exhibit at the court appearance for the “Final Judgment after Proof Hearing” dated 3/23/2012. Peter, as you are fully aware the Judge ordered that these 7 stolen items be returned to the Fraser’s. Your former attorney Wolfgang Heimerl hand delivery 5 of the stolen items to me that he had in his possession. Mr. Heimerl told me that Al Angelo wanted the Fraser’s to sign a release for receiving these 5 stolen items and we told him no way! Mr. Heimerl knew he was legal bound to obey the Court Order and hand over the 5 stolen items to the Fraser’s. But Peter, you and Al Angelo have refused to turn over the 2 remaining stolen items. I’ve called the Madison, NJ Police Station the town where Mr. Angelo lives and they told me the proper venue would be Westwood, NJ where I live. I have sat down with Detective Robert Saul from the Westwood Police Department and told him about the situation. He told me to contact Al Angelo and see if Mr. Angelo will return the 2 remaining stolen items and If Mr. Angelo doesn’t cooperate come back and file a complaint. I would then have a proof hearing in front of the Judge. Thereafter the Judge will determine if a warrant for arrest should be issued. The detective told me with the evidence I have he felt the Judge would issue an arrest. See below the “Security And Pledge Agreement” signed by Peter Nash and Alfred Angelo and Exhibit A the collateral list of the pledge agreement. I have talked with Al Angelo on the phone and he treated me like a bully on the phone telling me to shut up and listen to him. Telling me we have both been hurt by Peter Nash and that he has lost hundreds of thousands of dollar because of Peter Nash. Be glad with what you have gotten back and was non responsive to my questions and told me to leave him alone. Peter Nash I want the 2 stolen items returned! I hope you and Al Angelo didn’t sell the 2 stolen items to John Rogers and if you did you need to get them back!

Peter in reference to the 1868 Albumen photo of the Brooklyn Atlantics you told me you would have it repaired and put it in an antique frame that you bought for $500. You told me you were going to give it to a women conservator I assume that person was Andrea Pitsch in New York City, the same person you told me Mr. Angelo would send his items too that he won in auction. But instead you stole it from me and gave it to Mr. Angelo as collateral.

Peter Nash you have a Court Order to return these 2 stolen items but you have done nothing about it. Instead you spend a huge amount of time writing about other people on your Hauls of Shame website but you do nothing to correct your own crimes. Peter if you really do have any morals you need to return these 2 stolen items immediately!!!

To the collecting community if anybody has seen this 1912 Red Sox World Series diamond gold stickpin pictured below or the whereabouts of the 1868 albumen photo of the Brooklyn Atlantics please let me know. Thank you.

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Interesting.

Now I'm curious. What was the nature of the deal that drove you to lend all of those valuable items to rap-master Nash in the first place? Also, we're any of the items on the list above stolen from original owners and recovered? We're any of the items stolen from museums and recovered?

Kevin Farrell (I'm not involved in any of this mess - just interested)

Please put your full name in your post. And most likely everyone in this thread will need to do the same. thanks

we're= we are

We are = Penn State

Likely the result of posting from an ipad or iphone - it automatically defaults "were" to "we're", unless you tell it not to do it. So, we can call off the grammar police on that one at least...

the grammar police can't be suppressed.

Went I went to court, they asked me to provide receipts showing where, and for how much, I purchased the cards. I couldnt provide that so case closed.

I don't think there is ever a good reason to call off the grammar / spelling police.

Just because you are using a system that seems to think it can spell better than you can (and in my case is often correct) doesn't mean that you can't read what you wrote before you send it, and correct any "corrections".

Now, back to "you're" regularly scheduled program...

Definately.

peter s
 

irregardless


best,
barry

Peter, don't be a bad collecter.

Guys try to stay on tropic.

Two many people take proper spelling for granite.

You got that write

Holy shiite!

Did a search for "definately." 500 hits LOL.

No spaces in between words in a forward backslash. It's grammer/spelunking:p

Well, this thread went to carp pretty quickly.

Agreed. This is rediculous.

I think were done here for all intensive purposes.

Its true.

So, in summary, there is a court order for Nash to return the two items, and he has not done so. Robert has gone to the police and they've told him that the judge would probably issue an arrest warrant if Robert presents evidence of non-compliance, but Robert has decided not to do so.

So at this point the judge has someone who is blatantly ignoring a compliance order, but the judge has no way of knowing that, because the victim refuses to present evidence of non-compliance to the court?

Scott I made need you to draw me a flow chart.

LOL

JimB

It appears to me Robert has a judgment against Nash and an order requiring him (Nash) to return the items, but Nash seems to have pledged the items to Angelo as collateral for a loan, so Angelo now has the items or may himself have done something else with them? It's a tangled web.

Sunny, I Don't Get It...
 

Your narrative leads me to think that Mr. Angelo told you you had both been ripped off. Is he keeping an item for payment? Did he tell you if he did or did not have the two items? If he did not, why not? If he did tell you he does not have them, what are you doing about it? There is a lot of mixing of fact and supposition in your narrative in my opinion. I am sure I am missing something. Probably the entire barn. Do you believe another party has these items? Who and why? Why aren't you taking this back to the courts and closing off avenues, or am I being naive and uninformed about the ways of the collectibles world?

Just a few thots. Not sure I really want to know all the details, but I hope you get all your items back. That pin is really cool.

Keith Temple

All he did was axe Peter a question.....

Someone should of said we are all in agreeance here.

You are correct, Peter Nash stole these items from me and defrauded Al Angelo by giving him stolen memorabilia as collateral. To make it clear Mr. Angelo was never paid back the money he lent to Peter Nash. (It’s interesting to note that the collateral item, “C1903 Original Painted Glass Portrait of Nuf Ced McGreevy” was already pledged as collateral by Nash for money he borrowed from Rob Lifson owner of Robert Edward Auctions.) Mr. Angelo has not been forthcoming and has stonewalled me in giving me information on the stolen items, when in fact he has a signed document saying he has the items. If you are wondering who Al Angelo is, Peter Nash told me that Mr. Angelo is a very wealth person, manages money for Gabelli funds and has the largest baseball hall of fame autograph collection in the world. If Mr. Angelo wants to play hard ball so be it, I’ll let the police recover the stolen items. My question is why is Mr. Angelo covering for Peter Nash? See below "Promissory Note" signed by Peter Nash and letter from Al Angelo's attorney sending Peter Nash a letter of none payment.

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How does Peter Nash keep track of all of the lawsuits he is in? I wonder if he has his own Dewey Decimal system or something? Every time I see another, yet before unseen lawsuit or court order, I think of our few members that support him. Maybe those supporting him will get entangled too?

What's the old saying, "you are who you associate with."

All of those who would want to be like Peter Nash please take one step forward. (note everyone in attendance takes one step back)

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Just a guess, but maybe Angelo as a creditor of Nash wishes to look out for his own interest before helping out another creditor. I don't know. In any event, it seems like a matter a court eventually will need to sort out.

Guise can we stop this foolishness all ready?


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im toetally konfuzed nowe

Why is this not reported on the Hauls of Shame website? They are usually so honest and up front about mischief in the hobby.
JimB

I know...right? Where's the story? :rolleyes:

That's a whole nother story.

and meanwhile?

I guess Robert will keep posting bits and pieces of the story and post more exhibits from his files?

I completely understand Roberts hate, just wish he would also post about something else also. 47 posts and every one about this same subject.

I do my fair share of complaining about counterfeit/altered cards and Tricky Ricks shady business practices but I also post pics of my cards and try to add to this forum in other ways. Ok I am done complaining for now.:rolleyes:

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Peter Nash below is a couple of pages of your deposition when you were asked about the 1912 World Series Red Sox stickpin. Mr. Nash you clearly testified under oath that Mr. Angelo has the 1912 stickpin. Schedule A of the pledge agreement that Mr. Angelo signed clearly states that the “1912 Red Sox World Series Player Diamond Stickpin” is in the possession of Alfred Angelo. So therefore I would advise you to contact Mr. Angelo to tell me where the 1912 gold diamond stickpin is. Just so you know how serious I am please see the scanned copy of Detective Robert Saul’s business card which he gave me when I sat down with him and explained to him the situation.

I realize that you may be embarrassed to call Al Angelo. I know that Mark Jordan from Heritage Auctions told me that Mr. Angelo is not happy with you, but your thick skinned, so you can handle it. Mr. Angelo’s new attorney Robert Boyar told how you went to Mr. Angelo’s townhouse in Madison, NJ knocking on the door begging and crying to lend you money to pay back the unauthorized money you borrowed from the catholic school. So without doubt Mr. Nash you are thick skinned enough to call Mr. Angelo and tell him that the 1912 gold diamond stickpin was stolen and it needs to be returned to the Fraser’s.

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Why don't you just let the judge know he has not complied and get a bench warrant for his arrest?
JimB

Detective Saul
 

I wonder if the detective also has Courtesy Cards and what it means if you get one of them

My guess is Robert doesn't think Angelo still has the item?

This is getting to be unhealthy. I understand being upset but posting all of this material is not a good idea.

OK, I'll be the one to ask, name and all, why is this on the main page when it apparently has nothing to do with pre-war baseball cards?

Agreed. It should probably be moved to the Memorabilia section.

ssshhhhhhhhhhhh

Why is it not a good idea Alex? It has to do with fraud in our hobby. At least what is being posted is factual documents not hearsay and sources.

If Robert wants to use this public forum as an avenue to try and add more pressure and awareness on the frauds committed by Peter Nash why should that be an issue? The thread title is pretty self-explanatory and you’ve visited the thread so you know roughly what it’s about. So ignore the thread if you think it’s unhealthy.

This:

Dumb question, but does the Peter Nash post on this board? Im assuming the Prime Minister does not.

Not under his own name.

John - I think having am entire thread devoted to a personal matter is not appropriate. It also seems border line harassment to me. Let me be clear that I am not picking sides as I don't know either person and was not around when any of this happened.


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John--Robert made his point and then some. His posts are at this point are getting really old, really quick. I don't mean to minimize what Peter has done, but enough is enough here. I agree with the prior poster, move future posts about this somewhere else and give other readers the joy of Robert's prose.

Yeah, much better to discuss for the 100th time people's favorite T206 portraits or background color.:D:D

+1

I have been wondering the same thing..

Adrian?:eek:

But John, that would mean everyone would have to be responsible for their own actions rather than having other people do it for them. :D

I like Robert, Dan and John. All are interesting, intelligent and opinionated (proactive defense)

Robert's the only one who is really seriously affected adversely by any of this - it's just frustrating to not hear any sort of meaningful plan from him, since after all, he is posting all of this stuff on our vintage baseball card discussion forum, not on his own 'Peter Nash is an A-Hole' Forum. Being a member only of the former, and being in that venue at this exact moment, I feel justified in stating that opinion. Hope it's okay.

plus 1

I think that fraud like this that has been perpetrated on this level against anyone is PERFECTLY APPROPRIATE.

now that's funny....:D

Jay, I would agree that it's getting a little bit long in the tooth and it would be nice if Robert was to outline a plan or be a bit clearer on things. With that said I also agree with Peter and sort feel the same.

There are countless threads about the same topics over and over on here just the nature of the beast. It also doesn’t stop lots of folks starting their own threads on other stuff that is very self-serving i.e. guess my grades, look at my progress etc. at least this thread is hobby news that can affect us all vs. what grades your recent submission got.

If it gives Robert a little happiness to vent I can tolerate it or ignore the post I guess more than others.I only wish so many who chime in on Robert’s posts were as vocal against Peter Nash and his shenanigans, at the end of the day Robert is a victim and not the bad guy here.

There may not be a hell of a lot he can do. It seems in terms of Nash's own assets he appears to be behind REA and perhaps other creditors. It seems Nash no longer is in possession of the specific items he has been ordered to return to Robert. So maybe Robert is hoping these posts bring out information someone may have about the whereabouts of the items.

Concerning Peter Nash............And if I find out which ID it is he will be banned in a heartbeat as he has been before. Now, if he wants to man up and come in under his own name.....he is more than welcome on the forum. But he can't be a puss and be anonymous.


As for this thread being here and on the main forum. Seems fine to me. It's a big issue and the more it gets seen the better. But that is just my opinion....

That has already been tried and done, to no avail, see below, warrant for Peter Nash's arrest. Also please read the 3 page letter Robert Edward Auctions attorney wrote a few days before the Judge signed the warrant for Peter Nash's arrest. You will see that Mr. Nash did not cooperate with the Court's Orders so the Judge issued a warrant for Peter Nash's arrest. Still to this day Nash has not cooperated in turning over his assets.

I need to spend my legal fees wisely. I'm going after wage garnishment and any assets the Nash's can't hide such as the website, Hauls of Shame. As for Mr. Angelo he's a licensed CPA, he can't hide, with deep pockets and if he continues to refuse to turn over information on the stolen memorabilia my wife and I will file a complaint with the Westwood police.

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Hahaha .... oh wait you were being serious?

Robert, why is Nash the plaintiff in the suit against REA?

Looks like he is claiming ownership of the Tenney stuff?

Peter Nash sued Rob Lifson for selling the 1912 first pitched ball at the grand opening of Fenway Park. Peter Nash consigned the ball to Rob Lifson as collateral, see link

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2007/882.html

I was friends with Nash at the time and I remember Nash going crazy that his 1912 ball was being sold in Lifson's 2007 spring auction. This is the same ball that Nash tried to sell me 49 percent ownership in for $250,000, the same ball Nash wanted to cut up into little 2 inch threats and told me we would net 23 million dollars. Nash started the lawsuit claiming Lifson couldn't sell it because Nash had sold one percent of the ball for $2,500. You know the rest of the story, Lifson counter sued and Nash lost admitting to fraud. Apparently Nash must have believed he could net 23 million dollars by cutting up the ball, I realize it's delusional but why else would he start such a pathetic lawsuit against Lifson.

Alex, fair enough. I will say that I find your reasons a bit hard to follow. Just the sentence above....you have no knowledge of the people or the circumstances yet you draw the conclusion its harassment and not appropriate?

Second having a thread all to ones self for personal reasons is pretty much this entire site. How many threads are about such things as.....

I bought this so is it real?
Can somebody put me in touch with someone else?
Please look at my progress on this set thus far....
Has anyone bought from this seller? I want to buy from him....
Please guess my grades, I think I was robbed.
Does my card looked trimmed?

There are plenty of threads that are started for self serving reasons I don't see this as any different. Perhaps less innocent but at the same time more impactful to many as this is about fraud which effects us all vs. the PSA 3 someone got vs the EX they were expecting so rally to my aid thread.

Just my two cents and the great part about a single thread is I can always ignore it. Now if Robert starts posting in every thread the same stuff no matter the topic I would agree.

Cheers,

John

Then there are the threads of general interest. SGC v PSA v101.2. Fake Honus Wagner on ebay.

What there's a fake Wagner on eBay link please? :D

Yes Nash did, he claimed Rick Tenney gave him the Tenney collection. I talked to Rick many times and he said Nash is a liar. Rick Tenney filed a police report on Peter Nash in Cooperstown, NY. I posted the police report before but I'll post it again just in case someone hasn't seen it.

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2007/882.html

Robert, thanks for clarifying your plans over the last few posts.

Does NOT having Nash thrown in jail accomplish anything for you?

There's an app for that.