T206 Plank Auction
 

I had a small bet with a coworker that this one would match or surpass it's previous sale of $107K.....

http://www.gregbussineauauctions.com...ventoryid=7409

Didn't come close.

Possibly because nobody knew about it? I've been on this board for a couple years and have never even heard of that auction site.

It's too bad - looking at the final prices on some of those cards, there were some great deals to be had!

The one company I have called about advertising on our site is Bussineau because what they sell is precisely what we talk about all day, every day. It would be an absolute no brainer for them to make exponentially more than their investment. They weren't interested :(.

i have purchased from Greg many times, always VERY happy

Yes, as a buyer. What about as a seller?

Barring a larger auction house, it might have gotten better word of mouth on the BST. And straight transaction -- no juice.

Leon I skimmed through the auction - had I known this was going on I would have raised the bids by at least $1000 - their loss..

Also - I was surprised the topic starter for the t206 plank wasn't someone else :)

I am biased of course, but honestly couldn't believe a company would be so narrow sighted as to not understand where their customers are. You can lead a horse to water......

Beautiful card

The centering wasn't great with that thin top border. Not a high end 5 by any means (maybe a nice 4).

I have won a few items from Greg, I was surprised that he didn't advertise on here.

Next Plank is up. HA.com

i have not heard of this either...I know i would of made a few biids.
Like 52 Mays Bowman, Clemente RC and even the Cobb (red portrait)
Some nice pieces to been had

I've been watching that Heritage one too.....it's a beautiful card.

Just to confirm, did you win or lose the bet? Can't tell with 100% certainty from the statement above exactly which side you took.

Thanks,
Chris

[QUOTE=atx840;1163161]I have won a few items from Greg, I was surprised that he didn't advertise on here.

I agree. I've been buying from Greg since he ran Superior back in the mid to late 90s. Always has great vintage cards in his auctions. I wonder why he doesn't advertise here??

http://www.gregbussineau.com/item.php?item=569

Drool...

+1 on that Plank as a 5.

Greg is a very nice person who has some great auctions. I too was unaware of him a few years ago. I also must admit I forget about his auctions from time to time only to say ughhh I would have bought that!

With that said he has a great business going it seems and has some of the nicer stuff for sale.

The Heritage is a very nice card for a 350, I'm happy with my Planks but still would like to find an EX or better 150.

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...rge/Plank1.jpg

Cheers,

John

Greg is leaving money for himself and his consigners on the table, by not reaching the biggest buyers of this stuff. I'm small, (by comparison) to a lot of guys, but I still spend a grand or two every month, sometimes more. Bad business. Dave. ps I would have been a bidder on some if I had known.:(

whataahh disaster... enuff sed!

aL

Plank
 

One would think that in today's card market, it would be pretty tough to have a T206 Plank in that grade kind of fly under the radar.

Based on the ending price, it obviously did. Sucks for the consignor, great deal for the buyer. Maybe it will pop up for resale pretty soon?

Tony

They have been around a long time. Probabably do not think they need the extra advertising. Maybe they should re think.

Joe

:eek: sexy

Not sure how much advertising is on here but with the forum ranking high on most Google "hobby related" searches, having a massive banner sounds like a smart ROI.

When I spoke to whomever it was at their office I told them I could all but guarantee they would reap many, many times their investment. Our most expensive ad is $450 a month....and they go down to $150, with a one month minimum. Nah, they probably wouldn't have made that much back.

Wow surprised they don't want to advertise here and many haven't heard or just forgot about them..... I remember bidding from them pre internet via SCD... I think I may have even won an item or two from them...so they have been around a long time.

Ricky Y

I don't know why they changed their name from Legacy. I think their auctions were easier to find back then. I keep up with their auctions to see if there is anything I want, but it does require a significant amount of effort as they don't seem to advertise at all.

Is this the outfit that used to be called "Superior Sportscards"? Or were they a different company?

Like any other auction, if you register with them, you will get many emails in regards to their auctions. I have bid with them for many years and got several automated emails to alert me to this auction as I am sure did most of the older collectors who would have been on one of the three different companies lists.

I would suggest a visit to Old Cardboard as well as PSA and SGC websites and Register with many of these auctions, even if they do not currently have an auction going.

Whether the Plank would have brought more is pure speculation, it's a weak 5 at best and it the typical washed out 350 series. The 150's are so much nicer and do not appear nearly as often. In fact as John is wishing for one nicer than EX, the only one in Card Target's data is an SGC 70. All the others 5/EX or higher are 350's.

My guess is the timing of this auction (ending a week before the National, aka "Nationals") might have impacted perceived lower prices than the lack of a banner ad. This auction house consistently realizes strong results and always seems to have an impressive catalog. (For the record, I don't think I've ever purchased an item from them, but I also don't think I've ever not known about one of their auctions.)

Greg is doing just fine no need to be over dramatic. :D

While this forum is a fun part of our hobby as well as a place I enjoy visiting. It is by no means the end all be all of our hobby, the players and the market as a whole.

I think all these forums and their members sometimes take themselves a bit too serious. In fact it's a common running joke amongst auction houses that the bulk of any forum members talk a big game and never bid…basically saying that for the most part forums and their members could boycott them and they would be just fine.

Could a banner ad add value to his business sure I don’t see how it could hurt. However to think it’s a game changer and will bring so called huge unknown players to the block...I think that’s a stretch.

Cheers,

John

P.S. Scott there is a PSA 7 granted I think it's trimmed but it's still one heck of a SC150. Then you are correct...it goes a few EX, a few VGEX then VG and down and that's about of the 150's I know of. I have heard rumor of a EX+ raw one...but who knows...

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...94%20_150_.jpg

The fact that several board members have said, in this thread, that they didn't know about the auction, and had they known about it they would have placed bids, leads me to believe a banner ad would have impacted sales.

They may not have done advertising with this forum, but I bet they do better in their next auction because of this thread!!! Now that is good. "Well played Mauer"!!!

Maybe, maybe not. If a Net54 member was prepared to bid at or more than what some cards sold for, then sure that person would have made a difference. If the only bids he was going to place were at the opening or for half of market value, then I doubt he would have impacted results all that much.

There are plenty of dealers out there -- who don't rely on banner ads to know when major auctions houses are doing business -- who place plenty of bids at lower and middle levels to ensure most lots aren't going to be absolute steals. Auction houses don't need Net54 members to place those bids.

I can say that I placed $10,000 in bids in an auction, which sounds impressive, but the reality could be that I didn't impact the selling prices one bit.

I'll stand my guess that serious buyers know when major auctions hold their sales. And the fact that this particular auction wasn't helped by its timing.

That being said, I think if this auction house spent $150 a month with you, it would be a fantastic win-win for both sides.

Ummm
 

....anyone who is anyone (whales included) are on net54....

It has also, attracted a good amount of PSA Board members who leave that site for greener pastures....

This is the place to see and been seen....

It's starts with the moderators who are active, fair, watchful......

So it seems clear, that if an Auction house wanted to find its ideal customer, they don't have to look past this site..simple

Meant with no disrespect to Net54 members, Net54 or Leon and the fellow moderators, I respectfully disagree with the above statement Scott.

The hobby is much bigger and there are many, many collectors with amazing collections who are not on here, further more many of them are not even that aware of our little playroom in cyberspace.

Once again I feel we really tend to simplify the hobby, its collectors and place them into our box when its simply not the case.

Cheers,

John

John,

While most Harris cards are suspect, this Plank is obviously wider than normal and does not appear short top to bottom. I would want to see this one in person to make a final determination, as the overall size is very close to my 150 Plank. Very nice bold blue, but the L/R centering is distracting to me.

Scott, agree. Also agree a lot of the Harris cards can be something to review close.

I made the comment on this certain card due to its history and past owner Copeland. Who was the unfortunate end owner of many a trimmed card back in the day due to his thirst for cherry cards and the dealers who prayed on that thirst.

Cheers,

John

Wow. that went for cheap, even if it might be a "weak" 5. i got one or two emails from them, but not the typical "5 hours left...4 hours left...3 hours left, etc." (which are annoying BTW). but there should be a happy medium. Goldin sends out WAY too many emails on the other end of the spectrum (it's like, yes, i get it, your auction is closing, but i don't need 11 emails about it.)...but with this auction, there wasn't enough emails. in hind-sight, this might have been a piece that i would have tried convincing my wife that we "need" to invest in. this PSA 5 Plank will sell for double in 3-5 years from now, mark my words.

i have a funny feeling the HA PSA 3 Plank might go for close to as much as this one, higher profile auction, plus live auction, there might be some fireworks over it.

Mvsnyc
 

+1:)

John
 

You are assuming they need to "post" to be here....

Many many people look at this site and never sign up or post...I know several..

If you google info about cards, many times a link to this site comes up...it's not hard to find this place, one can almost stumble upon it....

This is basically SGC' s message board and PSA's second board....

Just look at the monthly pickup threads and the amount of views....

We collect cardboard...there aren't that many people in the world that do this...eventually most serious collectors DO FIND THIS PLACE....

You did:D

Yeah, but Wonka's not a "serious collector."

;)

Actually I think both you and Wonka are correct. I think there are a lot of whales not signed up for this site that read it every day, religiously. I also think there are quite a few that probably don't read it. But to the first point, anyone that has stayed at our table at the National for very long will know what I am talking about. And I do think that most serious collectors, on the internet, know about our site. But concerning the whole discussion surrounded not knowing about the auction in question. You would have to be a bumbling idiot not to think advertising here wouldn't have helped that auction (collectively, I don't know about the Plank in particular), especially after reading this thread.

Plank psa 5
 

Is anyone interested in buying this card?

never mind. :)

I'd be interested in buying the Cobb bat off SGC 60 from that auction, if the buyer is selling. I can't say that I would've won it, but had I known about this auction I would've bumped it up a few hundo.

Not assuming anything Scott I know of countless collectors and collections that have no part of any website in fact some of these folks hardly use the Internet let alone chat board.

Scott I can assure you that you are the person assuming a bit. As you said "everyone who is anyone knows of this place". Did I find Net54 yes but years after I built the bulk of my collection and I'm also a daily computer user.

There are also lots of collectors/investors who drop huge coin with auction houses who are not a part of this board. I think you would be shocked if we asked say a Lifson, Goldin, Allen, Goodwin how much of their overall business is tied to Net54 members I can bet you good money that the percentage is very low.

Example I spend quite a bit each year on art, illustration art etc. I'm sure there is a forum somewhere but I don't know about. I wonder in that place if their members are saying everyone who collects this stuff knows of this place.....

Cheers,

John

John, while I agree with most of what you say I think you would be very surprised by the amount of money our board members spend in auctions. I politely disagree with your assessment. I think it's far more than you think. Actually, I am fairly sure of it, just going by our members list and who I have spoken to about our forum. Not all members post or want to be publicly known. I think you would be surprised. And the people that aren't members but read the forum is quite large too. I have personally spoken with a handful of hobby whales who aren't registered but read the board every day.

Leon, no doubt there are members who are very active in the hobby but not active on the board per say. However to say that if you're not on here your not really in the hobby is a bit naive. Not only the old timers but many of the hobby's biggest purchases have been made from folks outside the hobby investors etc. not all of those folks know of this place nor would they flock here if they did.

Look I like Net54, and other chat boards as much as the next guy but they are not the driving force behind this hobby and if Net54 and the banner ads went away overnight theses guys would still be selling cards and lots of them.

Just my 2 cents.

Cheers,

John

Where did I ever say if you aren't on the board you aren't in the hobby? That sounds crazy. I would never say that.
Of course all of the auctions would still have sales if there were no Net54baseball at all. The point is though, they probably make more sales and or get higher prices, at least sometimes, because of the ads. To think differently would be very naive indeed. Just look at the several responses in this thread alone. They would have bid in the auction had they known about it...and if that company advertised on this board those members would have known.
Do you really think these advertisers would be advertising if they didn't think they get a good ROI? You think they are throwing their hard earned money away? And some of them have been doing it for over 5 yrs straight. There is a reason. And of course, if they didn't advertise they would still get sales. They just get potentially more sales and higher prices, and maybe a few more consignments because of them.

I heard from an auction house that some of their bidders don't even have email addresses, so I'm assuming they aren't members here. with that being said, what is probably the best collections ever assembled belong to hand full of people that are members here, they even post from time to time.

I don't think that plank could have been helped by advertising here, but I do think many lots could be helped by a few things. Like maybe not changing the name of your company every few years. I'd say I miss at least half of his auctions. All of his emails end up in my spam folder. That doesn't happen to any other AH. His auctions just seem a bit more low key. Definitely more low-key around here. I have never seen a Greg Bussineau pick up thread.

Wow, my intent in initially posting this thread was simply about the Plank itself but its turned into a great discussion. My 2 cents as a low scale card hobbyist....
1. The Plank, even as a low 5, still seems undervalued and the buyer got a good deal.....which means the seller (gets 63k) likely got hosed considering it sold for roughly 90k last go round....which leads to.....
2. This auction house should be advertising everywhere hobbyists visit. If for no other reason then to do everything for his client who has trusted the house to do whatever possible to get bids and every dollar available. That includes advertising and email campaigns. I've registered at 2 houses just from seeing banners here on net54.
3. I found this auction by proactively googling "Plank t206 for sale". Considering time spent online searching boards, etc, I shouldn't have had to do that.
4. If you are consigning some of your collection, would you hand your stuff over to a house that people have said "man, there was some good prices on stuff over there....who is he"? That would probably be a red flag.

Anyway, I'll be watching for Greg's fall collection. Good site, some interesting stuff.....

Leon, didn't say you said that it was Scott who made the comment "anyone who is anyone is on this board".

Leon no need to be defensive about your business model. I'm not asking you to justify the merit of why someone would advertise on net54 I can see the value for some folks.

My discussion here was more that not everyone who is a collector, investor or has a nice collection is a member of Net54 or any other forum nor do they have to be. Saying something like "anyone who is anyone is a member" I felt was naive and uninformed. I think you would agree perhaps not.

In terms of ROI with costs of $150-450 bucks a month for an ad it's hardly about ROI. If anything it's more about PR. Those numbers for any auction house worth a salt ends up as a rounding error not a serious investment in advertising with ROI concerns IMO.

Cheers,

John

P.S. I think saying that anyone who doesn't see the value in advertising on here is a bumbling idiot, isn't the best way to win them over as a customer. Obviously Greg feels he can pass on placing ads hardly makes the man a bumbling idiot just a potential future customer. :D

My two large cents on this:

Both John and Leon are right. Yes, the majority of collectors know this site and read it, but clearly not all do. Leon, I introduced you to an old time collector this week, you spoke with him on the phone. I mentioned Net54 to him and he had no idea what it was. And he's been collecting vintage cards for decades. I had a very good customer who used to place significant bids on tobacco cards in every auction I ran. He didn't even know how to use a computer, and had to phone his bids in to me. And he's been around for decades too. The number of people who know this site is growing every day, but there are still many collectors who aren't aware of it.

Should all auction houses advertise here? Of course, it's not expensive and it reaches a ton of collectors. Would it have had an affect on the Plank? Probably not, that card wasn't an "all-there 5", and many serious bidders chose not to go any higher. But I always advertised here before an auction and would unquestionably recommend it to someone who doesn't.

John
 

John, I thought a smart fella like yourself would recognize hyperbole when you see it versus a "naive, uninformed" LITERAL statement ....

It's true when many people started their large collections years ago, Net54 may not have existed....

However in today's day and age of google search engines, smart phones and wifi, one may say that a serious collector who has NOT FOUND THIS SITE is
"naive and uninformed"

Cheers

I wasn't talking about Greg Businneau when I used the term "bumbling idiot". I will just leave it at that. A rounding error huh? :) Sounds like you think I need a price increase!!

in defense of greg, its not like his auction isn't written up on the net in popular places. it was in a psa article here. i know of many boxing collectors, many old timers who don't use a computer, or very sparingly and sparingly or never use email. They are not blooming idiots, or uninformed idiots, or idiots of any stripe and they do just fine finding what they want to buy.

http://www.psacard.com/Articles/Arti...-today-july-25

Opinion..
 

Too many auctions/auction houses. I can't keep them all straight - and even though I'm enrolled with most (.. I think), I can't keep track of who has what, when, and when it ends.

BTW - you know the market shrinks as the costs go up. In other words, there are far fewer people with the means to buy a Plank in that condition than, per say, a Dots Miller in a common back 2. That said, IMO - any chance you have to reach even one potential buyer in a cost effective manner should be at least considered. Word of mouth alone from one member here to someone who may not be, but in the market for that card, can be the difference in thousands (next bid increment on that card)

Do banner ads drive sales? To some degree, I believe so - but it's more about merchandising and top-of-mind awareness than "clicks" (unfortunately too many advertisers seem to only look at "clicks" and "leads" unless it's an ego buy on mainstream mediums like TV, Radio, Newspaper, Billboard, etc). These are two important factors that more than a few members have mentioned in not even being aware of Greg's auction or end date this go-round. I will add myself to that list BTW.

Would the banner ads have made them aware, take note and bid? Who knows for sure, but I'd rather look at it from this point - not having them here, not advertising here certainly played a role in potential buyers NOT being made aware, not being in the game.

"The Real Housewives of Net54". Here's what my 3 yr old thinks about the nagging and bickering:

At the start of 2013, my Dad told he was ready to consign his collection of about 300 pre war cards he has been sitting on for 50 years. I did tons of research (how I found Net 54), and found all the auction houses I could find (there are a lot of them). I am computer savvy. I scoured the internet.

Not once did I come across a hint of a trail of Bussineau's auction house.

So even if he doesn't need to advertise for buyers, advertising to newbies who have a bunch of items they might want to consign might be a good idea.

Leon, all joking aside if the advertising is as effective as you say and I have no reason to doubt you. I would say yes an increase isn’t a bad idea because those prices seem a little cheap.

Scott,

Sorry must have missed the hyperbole as you continued to explain your case.

Also perhaps I was too busy reading your PM to me. You know the one where you rambled about your higher education and stacks of degrees, the one where you wanted to know if I was a silver spoon baby or a self-made man?

Scott the only reason you can send me PM’s like the above is because I as collector choose to share from my collection. If I was like others I would be unknown to you and you would have no idea about me or my collection. Not unlike the many you claim don’t exist because they haven’t found an internet chat site.

Scott me saying your statement was uniformed wasn’t a personal attack against you. I was simply disagreeing with you and felt it was a naïve blanket statement that wasn’t true. I think I explained myself in a civil manner to you as well.

So do me a favor please don’t be gentle and vanilla on the public forum then fill my inbox with snappy attacks and cheap shots. You have something to say want to take a shot at me do it publicly. In simple terms due to my overall lack of higher education…grow a pair say it for all to read or just don’t say it. :)

I think it is a bargain at this price. Great deal for the buyer...bad for the seller.

In my work as a stock broker, I was quite surprised to learn just how many of our wealthy clients avoided computers and the internet altogether. Typically these were the firm's older clients. They were, of course, highly intelligent, and well-educated, but for one reason or another, they felt intimidated by the technology, and politely declined when I offered to help educate them. They were still able to conduct their business successfully by employing what we might consider antiquated means.

I might be making an educated guess here, but it would not surprise me in the slightest if there were similarly hobby enthusiasts, with quite extensive collections, who did not use the internet, or partake in discussions on forums like this one. However, I would expect that to change. While investment firms are willing to do whatever is necessary to help their clients achieve their goals, the hobby is changing, and with the precipitous drop in the number of "brick and mortar" card shops, these old fashioned collectors will be forced to adapt in order to continue on.

Not my style....if I have something to say to someone and I feel nobody else would care, I send a PM...that's a PRIVATE message if you forgot what PRIVATE meant....wasn't me calling someone naive and uniformed because I DISAGREED with their statement....

Well Scott I never said “you” personally as a whole were naïve and uninformed I only implied I felt that way about your comment in this thread.

Not your style huh? Right your style is to hide behind PM and send messages such as the below because I disagreed with a comment you made and dared use the terms naïve/uninformed to voice my disagreement.

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn.../fandingus.jpg

I find it odd for such a beacon of genius in an otherwise drab world of dullards such as myself. That a simple comment like the one I made to Leon would get under your skin and have you of all people resort to my junk is bigger than your junk PM’s. Seems like a very pedestrian use of one’s time especially from someone as brilliant as yourself. My apologies Scott looks like I have a lot to learn about class, culture and style from folks like you another reason I’m glad I found Net54 to share my collecting. :rolleyes: Until then my style is to call out the above because the above is not needed here or anywhere.

If you say stuff like the above to me or any member don’t expect to hide behind a PM while keeping a polish for the folks on the main page, man up. In the end not only will I let folks know but with the low price of the banner ads I may just take one out and tell them that way. :)

Good day to you professor Fandango.

I do not read this board nor participate any more. Unless someone sends me a direct link to view like this one. I rarely buy anything and I have a very small budget and I am a zero in the hobby with a few cards to my name. Dan Mckee.

P.S. I agree completely with John unfortunately, and the Legendary folks will be the first to tell you, the auction sales in major catalog auctions from this board's active members is a small percentage of the hobby. Mark Theotikus correct me if I am wrong.

In the 90s I won a '15 PSA 7 Cracker Jack Alexander out of whatever auction Bussineau was then running, maybe it was Superior I don't recall. This was before high resolution internet pics. The card came and it was unbelievably wavy and obviously had been soaked if not trimmed. You could have surfed on it; I showed it to Steve Rocchi at a show and he burst out laughing. Bussineau refused to take it back, even when a PSA dealer who knew him pretty well intervened on my behalf. For a lousy little grand, as the line goes, he cost himself a customer.

Scott, he got his ticket the old fashioned way....eating a shitload of cheap chocolate bars....it 's all in the numbers man....eventually you'll hit gold. They still cover Probability & Statistics in college right?

I have no intention of entering this fray, but will say I find fewer things more off putting than the 'ole "my junk is bigger than your junk" conversation. I don't know what it is but since I was younger, and then especially in college (meaning when a bunch of 18 year olds were given an opportunity to re-write and/or boast about their pasts.. lots of HS "legend" types in the dorms), I have been annoyed as hell by this.

Now as an adult, living in a city I love, but also one filled with its share of big braggadocious egos, it still really annoys me. It always seems like the same perpetrators telling the same dinner stories over and over. I think they imagine they're being subtle when they drop the "while I was studying at___" as an intro to an otherwise unrelated story. I like to think I've developed a good radar for this junk. There was a recently banned board member (no name mentioned) who loved to go on about his level of education, his degrees and college grades. I felt no need to voice my annoyance, but it (and other things) really made it hard for me to ever empathize with the other stuff he had going on... all of which may have been very valid and/or otherwise compelling.

My only sibling, my older sister graduated HS in 3 years, went to a top tier school, graduated a dual major, then earned an MD and JD simultaneously. She is now a successful vascular surgeon at a very good university hospital. She is impressive to me, and even more so because she never brags, and would definitely never use her pedigree and/or intellect as fuel to make someone else feel lesser. My dad and several aunts/uncles are PHDs, my wife and all four brothers in law are JDs. I myself have a simple bachelor's degree, and am 100% content with it. Others I know, like my father in law have been very very successful without a college degree. Quality is definitely not measured by how many degrees you have. Good people are good people, and wannabes are wannabes. Being proud of your accomplishments is fine, being confident is great.. but to this outsider, it is almost never impressive if you have to tell someone it's impressive.

Damn.. maybe I entered the fray:eek:.. I guess my goal now is to speak no further.

Oh... and to the original topic (Plank). I got my email notifications from Greg Bussineau Auctions and am now kicking myself for not looking at the auction closer! I've bought a couple items from him, one auction, one from his website and have been happy with both.:)

ADDING: John, please keep posting your cards, I think I speak for most in saying we love seeing those things!

Huggins and Scott has opened
and they have a PLANK
1909 Phil Carm E95 and includes some other nice beauties-- wish it was broken up. Im starting to fall in love with pre-war :D
http://www.hugginsandscott.com/cgi-b...l?itemid=59597

Thermometers have degrees and do you know where they stick those?

The banner ad thing is interesting. I never click on them and as most of my viewing is done on an iPad, I scroll right past them/it.

The banner ads get my attention over the long haul, keep me up to date as to which auction house has an auction going on. And if a new company advertises I'll notice it.

I'm not an active bidder or consignor so they don't get my money. But I work well as an advertising guinea pig.

One thing about this site, as opposed to facebook or CNN.com, is all the advertising is directly related to the site. No dating or testosterone ads here.

You obviously haven't seen our newest advertiser? A Viagra commercial :)

http://williamgregory.net/images/laughing_2.gif there goes the neighborhood.

The Greek philosopher Socrates lived off a large inheritance and didn't possess any advanced degrees. That didn't stop him from making a rather large contribution to western civilization.

The Kardashians live off a large inheritance and don't possess any advanced degrees.........lipstick on pigs.

OMG, we're comparing the Kardashians and Socrates? I can't wrap my head around that one. I need to go look at baseball cards for a while. :eek:

I think mentioning anything Kardashian on this board should be grounds for suspension/dismissal...but I'm guessing Leon's busy at the national right about now?!

......but Pete, she likes baseball, and she has nice teeth!:) Dave.

As a Giants fan, I have to admit that this is the first time I haven't minded looking at somebody in a Dodgers uniform :)

I suppose as long as she doesnt open her mouth...except to show her nice teeth...its ok?! :p