How about some answers for this? Where are you Peter Nash?
 

Since Peter Nash seems to get a free pass maybe one of his supporters here can ask him about this? I would like to see a report of all of the fraud and misdeeds he has done in the hobby?


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leon, no one said he is a good guy.
I just wonder if you belive what he writes on his blog to be fact or fiction.

Both probably....but I haven't completely poured over his site. I have read articles on there though. No doubt a lot of what he says is probably true. I was just wondering if we could get an update on this fairly current, sports memorabilia related case? Besides having that one document I don't know very much about it.

of course what hos says is true.

its the old misdirection play.

How are we to know what he writes is true or false? His site is all about agenda. He can barely write a single article without mentioning Rob Lifson 10 times, even if that article has nothing to do with Lifson. His agenda is so transparent it's hilarious. Reminds me of a certain poster from here who was banished so he started his own forum with little sticky threads railing on Leon and Net54. He had only 2 or 3 regular posters to his forum and they were probably his own sockpuppets. I'm pretty sure he's in prison now.

Yes, some have thought that for a long time....

every time something that comes up that a few don't like, then this comes up. nothing new, misdirection.

Heritage can't tell a preprint autograph from a real one, so kill the messenger because it must be peter nash's fault.

The alternative that they want is to bury the stories and make sure no one knows about heritage or other tpa's boneheaded moves so everybody on the current gravy train can all make money and the collectors who get caught on the receiving end HOLDING THE BAG end up paying the price for a few protected TPA's and sellers getting off SCOT free for their misdeeds. nice.

You ever asked yourself why someone with a shady past (Present?) is acting the crusader of the hobby without addressing his own part in it? You seem to really be getting cozy with Nash. It's really hard to view you as a crusader for truth Travis when the company you keep is dirty.

If Heritage made mistake(s) then they should fix them. There are always two sides to a story too. Who is protecting anyone? I don't see any of that. So, can't we have 2 threads going at one time? Since you are posting on the Halls of Shame blog I just figured you could get us an update? Peter isn't banned from this site. He is only banned when he enters it under false pretenses, as anyone would be. Have him come on here and answer a few questions Travis.

but they dont fix them and that is the problem leon. Both me and m.o from fighttoys have privately helped them and tried to keep the bad boxing off their site and we get patted on the head 'good boy but we will take it from here' type attitude from them and Chris Ivy who couldn't tell boxing from a paper bag, and we both end up with banned accounts and we are the top two guys in boxing autographs in the country or so we are told ,(we don't like to brag like psa). so what's up with that? please answer, leon, i would be interested in what you have to say about that?

People in glass houses...

Some sayings never go out of style.

Misdirection, Travis?

You mean it's okay for you to post your criticisms and tirades against PSA and JSA, but no one is allowed to post anything critical about Peter Nash?

no they can, but funny they only post when the posts about heritage or their buddies come first. thats the misdirection. if they were really interested in getting answers about nash, they would post it on a lazy wednesday afternoon,

i post about tpa's when no one else is posting about anything, because my posts aren't predicated on anyone else posts.

the misdirection posts only come from leon after i mention hauls of shame and especially heritage auctions, one of their sponsors for the net54 dinner and an advertiser on this site. only then does the long knives come out after nash. where are the nash posts the rest of the time? BTW i dont mind leon speaking his mind and saying what he wants! its a free country!

if heritage really wanted to punish me they would re-instate my account. that would hurt.

Leon, I mention a lot of the same stuff as nash does, but only on my own. where is the bash roste threads, where is the looking at my past, and see of i broke the tinker toys in kindergarten, or sampled a grape from the grocery store?

the stuff he says is relevant and true. you dont like the source? then just mentally take his name off these true articles and put mine on. there- problem solved!

Dan, not to get in a fight but he does go after more than one person. You can say what you want but I find many of things that he writes about to be interesting and helpful to the hobby. If it was all about Rob you would be correct but I see Haritage, Huggins and Scott mentiioned plenty of times.

His website is all about cleaning up the hobby, right? Why no mention of the Cooperstown forger? Why no mention of the very public misdeeds he has been involved with?

Shelly, if you hadn't done your time I wouldn't believe a word you say, but you got on the right path.

Travis, I like you and am thankful for sharing your boxing expertise with me. However, your constant replies in threads like this make you look like a patsy.

Should PSA and JSA come clean? Yes.
Should Heritage and H&S come clean? Yes.
Should SGC and the rest of the world come clean? Yes.
Should Peter Nash come clean? YES!!

Your inability to agree with this is pathetic. With the exception of Chris, nobody on this forum gives PSA, JSA, or Heritage a free pass. I think you seem to be reading these threads with cloudy vision. I just read the whole Mantle/HA thread that started yesterday, and NOBODY is defending them. Nobody. Yet, to read your posts, we're all fools and it's up to You, Mueller, and Nash to save us all from our misguided failings.

Yet you have no idea how many people you turn off because you are physically incapable of saying anything negative about Mueller or Nash. With all due respect, take your lips off their asses and be willing to admit their mistakes, too.

Ken

you wouldnt care either way, so "so what?"

are mueller and nash a third party authenticator or auction house that contract with them?

there you have your answer.


What do you mean nobody is defending them? leon started a whole new thread because i mentioned heritage.


"With the exception of Chris, nobody on this forum gives PSA, JSA, or Heritage a free pass." I am glad you see it my way, but there are also plenty of others that give psa, jsa a free pass.


Mueller stands behind everything he sells with a 100% money back guarantee. psa, jsa don't, so what's the comparison? I have never said Mueller doesn't make any mistakes, He himself never says that, and has refunded to people who didn't even buy from him. So what's the problem?

I just love these fights, because I have nothing to hide.

Not only don't you have anything to hide, you also have your hypocrisy to hold on to.

This thread is about Nash. That's it. Nash. The same Nash who defrauded our hobby for a TON of money.

Or is that just fine by you??

The right path started over 14 years ago. Thanks for nothing compliment: I really have no idea why you even say it.

I didn't know you could read Leon's mind, Travis.

How do you know that Leon started this "Nash" thread because you mentioned "Heritage?"

You misinterpret me...you haven't hidden your past and you've made no excuses for it...you did your time and you've come here to help out hobbyists with your knowledge of forgeries. That's admirable. Peter Nash is running from his past refusing to pay for his misdeeds. Not admirable.

Because every time i mention heritage (seems like every time) a nash thread pops up, thats why. Where you been? ZIf I mention halls of shame, there is a chance for a nash thread, halls of shame and heritage, it's almost a guarantee.

If you don't believe me just ask leon what possessed him to start a nash thread TODAY of all days, just out of the blue?

You mean the same way your cowardly buddies over at ANL trash me every time I mention I Todd Mueller?

Of course, Leon posted this under his name, while your buddies over at ANL do it anonymously (like cowards do).

Having anonymous buddies doesn't make sense. I can only have buddies that I know about.

anyway, so what does that have to do with me, this thread, leon, or anything? why a tangent that is a total non sequiter? I am responsible for what I say, leon for what he says, then we get this anonymous posters on another site and now it's about you? I don't get it?

I didn't say Leon couldn't or shouldn't post any thread he wants, leon has the freedom to post what he wants, i just said it was a misdirection. how is anything said about you a misdirection? it's always about you and no one knows why? I am dealing with what is said and posted here, you know net54baseball.com? hello?

Read it again, Travis.

It reads "cowardly buddies," not "anonymous buddies."

In other words, your "cowardly buddies" post "anonymously," as we all know they do.

I guess Leon just has great timing.

if you know who they are they are not anonymous. I don't know who they are. Share any proof you have that identifies them. I have never, ever received any communication from anyone I know that says they post on that site. sorry, bark up wrong tree.

and yes, leon's timing is fabulous.

It is considerably more substantial than that, Travis. Nash has multiple judgments against him for cheating people in the memorabilia business. He got his own father to misappropriate $50,000.00 from the parochial school where he worked so that he wouldn't lose his house in foreclosure. He rants and raves against REA but doesn't mention that REA has a six-figure judgment against him. Nash admitted in court that he had defrauded REA. He admitted in court to not filing income tax returns for several years. In short, he is not by any means a minor scofflaw or perpetrator of innocent childhood mischief, but is instead a habitual cheat. Any time anything he propagates comes up people have a right to know what type of low character is behind the information. They can judge for themselves whether the data is accurate or not, but the character of the speaker is relevant and not "misdirection."

Now, if you want to align yourself with that sort of guttersnipe, that is your business. Just be aware that many people here who are aware of Nash's 'character'' then will discount the credibility of your opinions, regardless of its merits.

It's misdirection plain and simple.

The truth shouldnt count because they dont like the source.

If the information on these 'mistakes' aka total screwups are not true, let's see some counterpoints.

I am not here to account for anybody else but myself so don't try that game on pinning stuff on me. It's baloney.

Please post the names of all of your friends, associates, contacts, so we can comb through them and tell you who you should and should not associate with. thanks for complying with this simple request.

I would like to know why Leon isn't similarly interested in Mike Guttierez and the Hall of Fame? Has that been answered by Mike here or elsewhere? Seems to me there is a double standard in Leon's world? I should start a thread on that.

Travis, this thread is about Peter Nash - if you would address points head-on, and quit deflecting, at least we might begin to understand why you have let Nash off the hook. I appreciate your contributions to the hobby, and have enjoyed our exchanges, so don't take this the wrong way.

This is one of the few threads I can post in where I only have to worry about one person beating me up over my opinion ;)

The whole thread was put up as a fake to deflect the current misauthentications uncovered by HOS. It's an attack the messenger thread that serves no purpose other than to provide cover to the tpa's and those that pay them for their non-opinions. It;s the truth no matter who uncovers it and whether or not you or anyone else likes them or not.

Shelly admitted as much that HOS goes after different auction houses, not just lifson, and are you pilloring him about it? no you are not. It;s open season on me though. why, i didnt do anything wrong. the truth is the truth and as i have told others, please disclose EVERYONE you like, or associate with and let's look at them all and decide whether or not you should continue such relationships.

It is not misdirection, it's another thread...you can choose to read and respond to whichever thread you want. This isn't the PSA boards where threads go poof in the night. Leon didn't delete your thread and he has never deleted anything you have written on this forum.

Your association with Nash takes you down in the dirt with him. Your blatant hypocrisy in this matter is astounding. YOU ARE KNOWINGLY ASSOCIATING YOURSELF WITH SOMEONE WHO HAS DEFRAUDED PEOPLE IN THIS BUSINESS AND REFUSES TO MAKE RESTITUTION. You think I care what you have to say about Bugsy Siegel when you're palling around with Al Capone???

We've did this all before a hundred times and it turns into an "association game" when it really is a game of misdirections because a company like abc or xyz or so and so auctions can't get their game straight.

Why can't heritage come on here and address their poor performance on boxing, p.t. barnum or anything else?

answer is guess is nash? ????

Think whatever you like Travis...I no longer trust you, and I doubt I'm alone. Oh and this is not misdirection..I think Heritage gets it wrong a lot, they are not responsive to us and I'd like to hear more about Mike Gutierrez's ban from the HOF library (from someone other than Nash or you). And I think PSA and JSA both suck.

Dan already wrote "that it's a separate thread."

Where's the misdirection?

You can either post a comment or ignore it.

Nash is a fascinating figure to be sure. The amount of fraud that he has perpetrated in the hobby seems to be quite large, if the "Cooperstown forger" rumors are true. What exactly drives him to shine light on the other dirty cracks around him (which ranges from ineptitude to fraud)?

And I will go ahead and add to the pile of people pointing out that the only misdirection in this thread is Travis's own. We can (and should) have threads about TPAs, auction houses, bad autos, and Nash. Let's talk about all of it.

I think Travis calls it misdirecting.

i dont mind, but to post a nash thread only directly after another thread about tpa's and heritage is to misdirect. wasnt a yesterday a good day to do it, or the day before. It's all a fake. lets go 12 pages on and on about this. right. happens every time. the call goes out so the cavalry comes in.

The irony being, Travis, that you brought more attention to this thread than anyone else.

like i said i dont have anything to hide. it was going to go for several pages anyway, just like the script called for. that's why it was started.

Well, we are dealing with actual fraud here, not merely incompetence. I believe Nash's forthcoming list of TPA blunders will display the latter as opposed to the former.

Both are indeed worthy of discussion, as is "misdirection," all of which (coupled with his celebrity) makes Nash a huge-ass target. He has earned it many times over and in myriad ways.

Perhaps you should ignore this thread.

Poor Travis...once again the victim. Nothing you have written has been deleted on this forum. Ever. And if you don't want Pete Nash threads interfering with your crusade against PSA/JSA you probably shouldn't shill for his website at every turn. He's using you.

i dont want anything deleted and nothing is interfering with my tpa incompetance expose'.

it's grasping at straws from your end when you don't know what else to do.

someday when it all hits the fan i will ask everyone to step forward that defend the tpa's that can't shoot straight due to not taking the time to do it right. and no one will come forward.

When it hits the fan we will all just move on and keep hobbying. No one will come forward because no one here is defending TPAs that I can see. Yet, you love to say crap like this.

I'm not sure who here is defending the TPA's...the balance here is tipped so far in your favor I think you may be delusional. People here find your associations fascinating considering you consider yourself to be a crusader for good in the hobby...perhaps more fascinating than your 5000th post on another TPA blunder.

Do you actually read anyone else's posts, or are you off your rocker?? WHO THE HELL IS DEFENDING THE TPA'S???????????????????????????????????

This thread is about Nash and his criminal activities. If all you can do is misdirect the thread, how about not posting in it anymore?

And before you come on and say "Leon only posted this because I posted against HA," there aren't many days someone isn't posting against someone on here. Why is everything about you? -- Wait, please, don't answer that.

Ken

it's all a deflection against the tpa's, that is defending them. otherwise there would be the deflection. its not about me, i dont have anything to hide, so quit talking about me and lets talk about the tpa's.

No, it's about Nash. For TPAs, go to another thread.

+1. It baffles me why Nash, whose misdeeds are of the intentional and malicious sort and are well documented, gets a free pass from Travis while the AHs and TPGs, who are at worst incompetent, are subjects of such shrill, vindictive screeds. The utter glee he shows in finding a purported TPG or AH mistake--out of the tens of thousands of authentications and listings every year--make it sound like he has a vendetta against all of them. Consequently, I too do not trust much of what he says.

+2. a big fat idiot to be sure, IMHO

psa and jsa are third party authenticators, they make incredible, stupid mistakes that can't be chalked up to just human error. they dont care about the consumer and won't correct their mistakes are even delete the bad exemplars from psa autographfacts when shown the error of their ways.

the defenders of this psa and jsa nonsense keeps trying to flip it to someone else who is not a third party authenticator nor issues coa's.

no its not because no one cares, otherwise you would be talking about nash, not me and tpa's.

so where is the nash talk? there is none!

fake!

why arent you talking about nash and the case? very confusing..oh, i know why, because it's all a front.

Are you chalking up Nash's dirty deeds to "human error"?

chuck tapia,

so when both psa and jsa issue a full loa for a thomas sayers signed piece of paper from the 1860's, then get caught by the real experts for having NO exemplars, then they pull the loa's from heritage. How is that NOT fraud?

can you answer that? when heritage learned of the loa's being pulled because of no exemplars, why didnt they fire psa and jsa?

answer: rhymes with honey.

This thread is about Peter Nash, why do you keep deflecting to PSA and JSA?

Back on topic:

This particular complaint seems to revolve around the charge that Nash claimed material ownership of an item (or a collection) that he did not in fact own (and thereby illegally profited from that claim).

I see that the "White Betsy" Cooperstown forger blog is no longer up and running. What, if anything, can anyone tell me about that? In particular, who wrote that blog, and is there proof that Nash is indeed the aforementioned forger? I know that peole may need to tread carefully here.

I have read about Nash's legal troubles akin to this one, but I wanna know what stuff he's faked.

I don't agree with this. Every issue I have had with PSA (and I have had many), they have gone above and beyond to correct their mistake. With that said, I would rather conduct business with PSA than Peter Nash.

how did they correct the ty cobb laser print, by admitting it? nope.

they know that the bob fitzsimmons wife signed exemplar is still up on psaautographfacts and do they correct it by taking it down? nope, the cap anson exemplar, do they take it down when they know its not real? nope.

please deal with reality. are grad and spence experts? you decide, they give out loa's with out exemplars to compare the signature to. some experts.



Is nash a third party authenticator? i didnt see where he was a third party authenticator.

bottom line, if nash were only talking about Coaches corner, morales or ted taylor, not only would it be NO BIG DEAL, but the people here would be joining in. it's just because he shows the bonehead authentications by the buddies of this site do people get mad. That's it. no one would care if it were coaches corner/morales mistakes on HOS.

Clearly the majority of the people who post to this forum recognize that PSA and JSA make mistakes...most of us also realize that they don't own up to most of those mistakes. Nothing you have posted though points to outright fraudulent activity...it just points out ineptitude. Can you say the same for your newest, bestest buddy Peter Nash?

you are all against showing the mistakes and the sheer lunacy of these certs that are being issued because...

you are afraid, afraid that there is nothing to take its place, a void is worse than what we have now. so you accept less than the best, because it is the lesser of two anvils.

you are also mad because almost everyone owns many, many certs by the companies, and when the day of reckoning comes and the certs go the way of gai and line birdcages, then what. wave bye bye to all that money spent on the certs.

so you blame others, you blame the messenger. doesnt matter if the pope ran hauls of abc, xyz, you would find fault with him, because the message doesnt fit your financial concerns.

BS...I don't own a single autograph certed by JSA or PSA or any abc TPA. Not one single autograph. I wouldn't care if all the TPA's ceased to exist this very moment, it wouldn't affect me one bit. I am fascinated with your selective white knighthood though.

you know what is really interesting, that i get pm's and emails, from some people on this board that agree with me wholeheartedly, some people you would know, and they say to keep going, they are behind the effort. but due to the exposure of getting slammed from people like you, they must remain anonymous.

that says volumes. who wants to take these slings and arrows from people who only want to prop up the status quo? the status quo is falling down on its own without any help. it is just a matter of time, so to keep the same old same old gravy train going is not what is in the cards. people will demand more from their third party authenticators and auction houses will have had enough too, along with the authorities.

when that day comes i will ask you to come onto a thread and defend the tpa's and we will see who shows up. no one will show up.

and like i have said all along, i am not against the idea of third party authenticators, when they take the time to do it right, dont cut corners, and have the experience to actually authenticate autographs. that is not the problem. what i have a problem with is the way it is being done now, without any responsibility, accountability, transparency, auditing function. The companies should show exemplars of every authentication they ever do when asked by the consumer. right now, none of them do that. they thumb their nose at the consumer, they couldnt care less except for the check has to go through.

Imagine a large firm not being audited, not being inspected or held up to the standards that the company sets for itself. no one is going into these companies and seeing if they are practicing what they say on the loa's or on the website.

in the autograph authentication world, the honor system stinks.

Right, we will just keep on hobbying as we are now. When these TPAs go away (not if, but when) no one will defend them. No one is really defending them now, except to say that they fill a market niche, and that PSA and JSA happen to be doing it better than anyone else on a large scale. That means that when I see their cert, I consider the auto, just as I do a raw one. They keep slipping, making more mistakes and ignoring the glaring problems, which is why they will eventually fail. Someone may fill the void. They may not. No big deal either way, really.



Back on topic, does anyone have any info about the White Betsy blog?

Travis, *I* am urging you to keep going, but I'm pretty sure you could do it without the likes of Peter Nash and the anonymous scumbags at autographblahblahblah.com. Why you want to align yourself with them is fascinating to me considering you're trying to clean up the hobby. The fact that you won't address this issue at all is also fascinating. They have naked pictures of you or something?

now i will go and do some stuff outside of the computer realm and you guys can do what the thread suggests, talk about nash, let's see how much nash talk you have in you, it should go on for pages, right? no more me, just nash, let's go ,

oh, you will all move along now, great. it was a fake all along, just like all these threads that get started when the call goes out behind the scenes to start a thread like this.

mission accomplished people, the flash mob can all do something else now.

Delusional AND Paranoid.

Do they make Immodium for diarrhea of the mouth?

There is one problem with all of this. Is what Nash has to say is true or is it B.S. I am not defending anyone. I just asking a question. Good guy or bad guy is what he is saying helping:confused:

OK, I will give you this, Travis -- this is a legitimate gripe. I could only imagine what would happen if a company like PSA had to be ISO certified. The ISO auditors would come in there and tear that place a new you-know-what.

He's a snake, why should we believe him? Maybe if he did the honorable thing and came clean, made restitution, et cetera, but as long as he's running from that it's just an agenda and not to be taken seriously.

Everyone in this hobby gets criticized or ripped at one time or another, but according to Travis, Peter Nash is off-limits.

Tell us, Travis, why is Peter Nash off-limits?

If Leon posted this Peter Nash thread next week, would you still call it a misdirection thread?

When would be a good time to post a Peter Nash thread, Travis? Next year? Ten years from now?

Good luck with this...he didn't answer a single question I posed about his association with Nash.

Notice too that Nash's articles are now being posted to that anonymous coward site that is infatuated with you. Things that make you go hmmm?

Dan, you took the words right out of my mouth.

I just noticed the latest HOS material published by the cowards.

I personally don't care who or what the source is. If it is true, it is true. Nothing can take away from that.

If Nash is telling the truth no matter who or what he is that is what is important. If your saying you dont belive him because of who he is that is your problem.

"I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" just my opinion.:)

Sure, some of the stuff is obvious like his posts about autographs being certed that are actually pre-printed on the photo...no problem. He finds items that are previously stolen from the HOF or NYPL, no problem....He posts a lot of other stuff that is clearly agenda ridden. He owes a ton of cash to REA, why should I believe a single word he says about Rob Lifson? He has continued to say stuff about the FBI that I seriously doubt.

Yes, I agree.

I love his site and always read it very carefully. He clearly works very hard to research these things, and I learn something every time I go there. However, he is skilled at cited "sources" and "experts," which is often difficult to accept when considering his admittedly dishonest past.

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Jose Canseco and that means we all need to be very worried. I bet he knows where many of "the bodies are buried".

Rich