I Made The Hate Site Again.
 

I am proud to announce that I made the Hate Site again.


http://www.autographnewslive.com/

What, no Todd Mueller on that list? Or is that Todd's list?

Chris do you get paid. Have you ever issued a cert to anyone? Take comfort that they thought that much of you.:eek:

1) Coach’s Corner
2) Victor Moreno
3) Donald Frangipani
4) Christopher Williams
5) Joe DiMaggio Company
6) STAT Authentics
7) Roger Epperson or REAL
8) Nicholas Burczyk
9) Justin Priddy
10) Steve Cyrkin (Starbrite Autographs)

WHO IS THE ONE PERSON MISSING THAT IS BY FAR THE MOST FAMOUS OF ALL AUTHENTICATORS.THAT SHOULD BE ON THIS LIST BEFORE ANYONE?

Sorry for the caps just really Pissed just how stupid that site is.:mad:

I think he meant Morales, but has Chris on his mind WAY too much!

How about Drew Max???

No, they (The Hate Site) meant me.

Another Badge Of Honor bestowed upon me by the friends of Travis Roste.

I have no idea what you meant by Chris on my mind.
I asked the question of all the people who where listed who is the one that they did not mention.
I felt Chris should be honered that they said he was an authenticator. Everyone on that list has been paid for there opinion except Chris.

Here we go. Another "they're trying to crucify me because of all I do for you" thread.
And, just to show us how wrong it is to use these fora to run others down, Chris, once again and for no reason, uses his perceived martyrdom as an excuse to attack Travis.

Thanks, Chris, for all you do.

Forgot about him.
How about Mike Baker?

Chris, two questions for you, since I see you're logged on right now:

1) Why would you ever even look back at that site? By posting here, you have to realize you're giving them what they seek: attention.

2) While you're here, how about going to some of the other recent threads you've started and closing up some of those loose ends? Right now you remind me of some guy on a shark boat: dump some chum, then step back and watch as the feeding frenzy happens. But you never seem to go back. (OK, technically that's incorrect. In the Ruth ticket thread, you came started off by saying it's fake. Then in the middle somewhere, you posted two seemingly random autos from two ends of the baseball spectrum, saying they were linked. Then at the very end (so far), you came on to finally clear the whole thing up by stating the Ruth ticket was definitely fake.)

Ken

Actually, Ken, I didn't go back. I was sent the link by someone else.

And this thread--clearly drawing attention to the site--must have been started by someone else, too.

But you're giving it far more attention than it deserves by posting it here.

David, so help me, if you keep posting at the same time as me, with the same type message, some pinhead is going to get the crazy idea we're a team!!

Ken

+1!

David, he keeps running me down like that, instead of sticking to answering questions about autographs, which i am interested in, but he evidently is not. he comes after me and i have nothing to do with anything he talks about when he wants to elicit sympathy from others while trashing my name that i took years to build up.

He is playing the old "you have friends i don't like, so you better change your friends" thats the old saw steve cyrkin likes to use over on the real hate site that williams posts on a near daily basis.

if you are not on their approved friends list, then get ready for mud. lets see a list of his friends, who do i care who he is friends with, but they are so interested in my friends because its not about the autographs anymore. i love autographs, they love to pin guilt by association on people with no proof.

if they got a problem with someone posting about them, then go after that person, but they go after me instead. i didnt post anything about him, he always comes around to blaming me.

Travis he called them you friends. If that is insulting you then maybe he has a point.
You can write a whole page if you want but that is all he said. Did not insult you put you down just stated a fact that you have said is true.

He made "the Hate Site again." What does that have to do with anything Travis has done? Why bring up his name at all?

it's insulting because he uses my name and hate site in the same sentence, and people pick up on that, and he has no proof once again. I don't post there and don't know who does.

like david said, what does it have to do with anything other than trying to inflame a board? if he has a beef with anyone who posts something, then take it up with them. i didnt see a byline by the way. maybe he could have the guts to post names of the people he knows is posting stuff about him? since he knows for sure? if not, then calling anonymous posters my friends to try to hurt me is pretty bad. we are here to talk about autographs, not peoples personal beefs with others, some of whom aren't even members here. his friends steve cyrkin, who is a member here, by the way, does the same thing, basically asking for a list of your friends so they can approve or either start the attack machine.

i know who my friends are. i dont see them posting anything. if he has proof, then prove it. he wants to elicit sympathy. well , he has mine, but not for any of the topics he has brought up recently like this one, but because i do feel sorry for him that he can't seem to find happiness within himself without having to try to drag others into his personal situations.

Guys- when someone gets slammed so often by someone else then that person sometimes just assumes he is being attacked or he retaliates without being provoked.

It's kind of like a father walking into a room with his child and the child automatically ducks in order to avoid being hit. *(yet the father didn't do anything)

You guys are all on the same team in wanting to root fraud out of the hobby. Why not get along with each other and act like it? It would make this part of the board much more enjoyable for ya'll. I do believe you all want the same things.



And lastly, as evidenced by my continued actions, I can't stand anonymity when it comes to bashing people or giving opinions. I hold no stock in sites that allow that sort of behaviour. And that part of what ya'll are saying I happen to agree with. I do think Chris (hi Chris) should just ignore that puss* site. If people want to be cowards and not stand behind what they say I wouldn't pay them any attention.



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I would agree, lets get on to preventing fraud in the hobby and leave our personal gripes at home. he mentioned my name with no proof of anything and i am willing to forget it, but i really wish he would confine his personal problems with the parties involved and not drag others into it. it was juvenile of him to mention my name in a McCarthy style way solely to try to inflame.

I expect an apology but am willing to move on without one. If he has a post written by me that is personal in nature or vindictive against him that doesn't have anything seriously to do with autographs, then i wish he would post it. If not, then he needs to man up and take his grievances over to who he perceives to be the offending parties and leave "friends" out of it less people go through his rolodex and find out who his friends are and what their predilections are. Who wants that? Not me.

I believe it's your "church buddy" Todd Ol Mighty" wholier than though...you know the story teller who rarely sees an autograph he doesn't like...your buddy. You are a confirmed dick....and David is close behind, IMHO

Great post, Fudd! Any minute now it should receive a "+1" and a couple of big smileys from a noted autograph dealer.

From Peter Nash's site:

"According to collector Travis Roste, who writes for AutographNewslive.com, this is nothing new for Spence and JSA."

http://haulsofshame.com/blog/?p=8457

Is he wrong? Are you going to ask him to redactt his statement?

Travis, why would he need to apologize for saying the truth. I know you did not write the artical but they are your friends. If they are not please make that clear. Then he should apoligize.

Anyone home..... Travis?

Travis, you are always there to say you have been insulted, picked on and I would go as far as say humiliated by Chris. If what Nash site says is true I think you owe Chris an apology, because what he has said about your relastionship with that site seems to be true.
No. 14 on this thead so it is clear what I saying to you.

: crickets chirping :

Dan, besides the sound of silence from Travis, where are all the people that defended him. I would think someone should speak up. I like you enjoy the quite of night.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hUy9ePyo6Q‎

Travis didn't write the article--even Chris doesn't accuse him of doing so.
I said it before, and I'll say it again--there was absolutely no reason for Chris to bring up Travis' name.

Should someone say "Look what Chris' friend did," every time you act like a jerk, Shelly?

exactly, that is the whole point. i dont have nothing to do with anything and he brings my name out of the blue. something i dont do about him, but he can't stop fueling the fire, so.... meanwhile i talk about autographs and the hobby, not personal stuff.

Travis, that will not fly. He did not bring your name out of the blue. You are part of that site. That is what he said and you have yet to say it is not true.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWFjhEYXbbU

www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3DAXmr3fL4‎

Enough, already, Shelly. Travis did nothing to deserve being called out.
And WTF business is it of yours, anyway? Chris is old enough to fight his own battles--especially as he starts them himself.

Chris has posted scores of YouTube videos. It could be said that he is "part of that site." There's been some vile sh*t posted by others on YouTube. Should Chris be blamed for that?

Travis apparently told Nash that he writes for Autographnewslive.com, but is unwilling to say that on Net54? Why? As far as I can see that site is set up to settle some agenda and it's done in the most cowardly way possible....anonymously.

The cloak and dagger secrecy in this hobby is laughable...especially when one of the proponents of openness refuses to answer simple questions about his association with a website that is anonymous.

Agreed and still waiting for Travis's response. This isn't going away until Travis answers. It's not a personal attack at all. It is just a question that should be answered.

Leon, funny how you don't push Chris to answer questions but you do with other people.

I agree with this...Chris is the absolute KING of the cloak and dagger BS.

+1

I believe Leon has said more than a few times that he doesn't agree with Chris's methods on this forum, but agrees with what he is doing to help clean up the hobby. Travis on the other hand is preaching openness in the hobby yet is apparently associated with this anonymous attack site which seems more than a little bit hypocritical.

Chris' methods point more towards drawing attention to himself than they do towards "cleaning up the hobby."

For pure unadulterated drama, you just cannot beat the autograph hobby. You would think we were curing cancer or building neutron bombs here.

Jeff, don't be silly. This is more like brain surgery.

Brain Salad Surgery

10 points for an ELP reference. Anyway, there's probably as much drama over on the card side with counterfeit cello packs or trimmed cards as there is over here.

And "Welcome back, my friends, to the show that never ends" is PERFECT for this forum!!

Ken

Karn Evel (carnival) #9 - extremely appropriate

I have absolutely said I didn't agree with a few of Chris's threads, in the delivery of them.

Now, what about Travis saying one thing and doing another? Is it that difficult of a question? He said one thing and was quoted as doing something else. We're waiting for an answer.



"According to collector Travis Roste, who writes for AutographNewslive.com, this is nothing new for Spence and JSA."

http://haulsofshame.com/blog/?p=8457



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I have not viewed some of Chris's recent threads positively and have told him as much in those threads, but I don't recall his name being associated with a website that is cowardly and anonymously insulting a fellow net54 member's sexuality. Chris's unanswered questions make himself look bad, and I don't expect a moderator to get involved there. The questions being put to
Travis are about his association with mudslinging another member's character and personal life. As such, I'm glad Leon is asking the same questions as others here.

What he said.

Ken

Travis posted this comment on Net54 about ANL:

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And this, too:


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Find the articles Travis referred to. Are they signed?

The last post quoted has Travis claiming authorship of an article on that website, also letting us know that he "won."

He has said here in this thread that he doesn't write for that site and doesn't know who does. I for one don't believe him.

Do you?

I did write the jsa loa newsbreaking story on autograph news live, back when people could sign up and write stories there. so what?

also, autograph news live did break the pawn stars al pacino/al ruddy story. so what? everything i said was true.

i read autograph news live for the stories that are relevant to autographs. they post some very interesting relevant autograph stories. Chris Williams and others read it too, because they wouldn't know what the articles are if they didn't read them. Now I am getting singled out for reading stories on a site that others read too. thanks a lot.

some people dont like the national enquirer. but the national enquirer breaks relevant news stories.

the national enquirer broke the john edwards / rielle hunter story, first ones to break that story and report on it. national story that affected the political scene. so you cant say the national enquirer doesn't break big news stories. And they have broken more that one.

I don't know who posts the stories, i read the ones that break the stories that other websites don't or won't break, like the head of ebay saying that psa and jsa suck. you didnt read about that in SCD or Beckett, did you?

Pawn stars debacle back when it was an open forum, heritage posting jsa certs on items that jsa hadn't evaluated yet back when it was an open forum. that was me, i wrote that. heritage ended up changing their policy to the benefit of ALL collectors because of that. You can thank me later.

Chris Williams was a member there and all he wrote was this guys trash and that guys trash, same stuff we always hear from him. i didn't call people names on that site, i wrote relevant hobby stories like premature jsa certs at heritage, or how jsa's muhammad ali expert wrote an anonymous ebook about how the private dealers know ali autographs and the big companies dont know them very well at all and he wouldnt get their opinion on ali if he was going to buy. but instead he would trust the private dealers.

relevant stuff and if there is a clunker, I go to the next story nowadays. i don't control the content there. so quit acting like i do.

Please tell me what I wrote on those two posts that you creepily saved screenshots of, that was wrong or not the truth?

here is your answer leon. i wrote for autograph news live back when it was a blog site, like this one, where you can sign up, and post articles and stories, chris williams and others were also a member. after awhile they quit that format and now they go with a format where it is locked, no membership and stories just go up and we don't know who writes them.

there;s your answer, no cloak and dagger.

Because I don't write there anymore and they don't let anyone sign up anymore to post articles. that's why. on any of nash's articles where he says i am from autograph news live, it was back when it was a forum where you could sign up and be a member, like chris williams was a member. I am 'associated' with that site as much as Chris Williams was. Go bust his baseballs about it, about being a member of autographnewslive and being 'associated' with autographnewslive.com maybe you guys have the agenda.

since they changed their format, I have wrote zero stories or articles for them because its locked and no members anymore.

You guys need to drink decaf.

Interesting post, thank you.

How do you know what is a "clunker" in the Enquirer, or do you pick and choose what you want to believe? I don't read it because there are many "clunkers" and I won't give them my time.

How do you know what is a "clunker" on this autographnewslive website? All I have seen there is garbage and, based on what I've read there, I won't go back based on principle alone.

You should understand this, because this is similar to what you think of TPAs. Conversely, your attitude to those "news" sources is akin to many of our attitudes of the larger TPAs. If there's a clunker, we go to the next autograph. I feel confident that the percentage of authentic baseball autographs with JSA and PSA certs is greater than the percentage of truths in the Enquirer and on that joke of a blog site.

I know you cannot agree with this, but I'm at least hoping you can see the perspective being presented.

i dont write for them and i dont know who does.

you are talking about two different sites. the open forum site, and now the closed forum site. i posted on the open forum site along with chris williams and others. no one here can post on the closed forum site. I am answering all your questions.

I never mention chris in any of those posts, so what's the problem? Chris posted on autographnewslive.com dozens of times, back when it was an open forum, just like me. why arent you busting his baseballs about it?

The thing about it is that Chris knows all this about the open forum where you sign up and post your articles or thoughts. He signed up. Chris Williams was a part of autographnewslive.com

But he purposely didn't tell you this because he doesn't want the truth to be revealed.

you are just arguing to argue now.

I'm going back to a discussion of autographs, or at least the authenticators of such.

I didn't know there are/were 2 different sites, one which was open open as well as the current one. Thanks for the clarification.

Again, very interesting and illuminating.

I will ask both you and Chris: Do either of you know who is the moderator or owner of that site? If so, please let us know. It has been intimated here that it is Todd Mueller, but I have no idea either way.

I'm not a great fan of Travis's. I'm kinda sick of hearing the same old, same old over and over again. But I don't believe in getting out the torches and pitchforks 'cause one particular self-aggrandizing, self-proclaimed "hero" decides to blame Travis every time he's attacked.
As long as Travis had nothing to do with the anonymous personal sh*t, then I don't care that he wrote a few autograph articles for that site--long before, it seems to me, the personal stuff was written.

It is not about way back when it is about today. I know you have read what they have said about people. Would you call it a hate site? Honestly yes or no. I think that is all anyone wants to know. I will tell you that I do and as you have read many other people feel the same.

would you call aml a hate site?

we went over this already about loyalty oaths. did you ask everyone on the forum? i don't play those games. i blog about autographs. you can play these games. denounce this or your a jerk? what kind of an autograph forum is this anyway?

thank you and i wish others would use their gray matter to dilineate between back when it was a sign-up site and now also. but they won't. they like to lump to fit their agenda.

i will answer but chris won't answer. the answer is no one knows who owns or posts on that site. and if chris knows, then let's see proof. we have had enough unverified conjecture for one day, or even one year.

I can't put it more plainly than this:

You have told us that there are two different sites, and while I believe you, I hope you realize that LUMP TO FIT THEIR AGENDA describes almost every single one of your posts on this site. I don't say this to insult, I just say it to inform you of perception.

The two things from that site that have been posted here have used unbelievable hyperbole to both trash a member here and lavish praise on one Todd Mueller. I'm using my grey matter...

Bull, you post about a lot of things not just autographs. You just can and will not answer a simple question.
You are a coward.

they won't stop david until they have everyone sign a piece of paper stating that who their friends are, which sites they have visited, and denounce these and praise these sites. loyalty oaths, mccarthyism. i wrote nothing about chris, he blames me. thanks.

david, did you know chris wrote on that website as much as I did, and even used more than one name, used anonymous names to fire back at people when they didn't know it was him, mr. marlin. for one.

Chris, please tell you only had one name at autographnewslive.com and you never signed up under a fake name. Why isn't he getting piled on for that?
because its fake, that's why. trying to elicit sympathy only because we disagree on things and don't see eye to eye. start up some controvery about me to turn people against me, what a joke!

I used only my real name when i signed up there and i have only used one name where ever I have posted. here, there or anywhere. my real name!

can chris say the same thing? no he can't.

This whole thread was made into something to do with me, and it has nothing to do with me, yet he wants to waste time to get people over on his "side" so he can further some type of agenda that who can figure out?h Can people see through this now? What's he doing, building an army of anti-R0STE people.

If i said anything bad about him ever, anything personal, anything non-autograph related, then let's see it. or shut up.

I have done nothing, nothing to him, he is dragging my name in mud. There are plenty of pilers on, only because they don't always agree with what i say about AUTOGRAPHS, but they only do so because it's not happening to them. if chris thinks someone is saying stuff about him that he dosnt like, THEN HE NEEDS TO GO AFTER THOSE PEOPLE!

That's certainly the way I see it.

Remember, Chris Williams was a member of this 'hate site'. if people dont think that is a fair statement, then substituting my name for his doesnt make it any fairer, because when it stopped being a sign-up blogging forum, all members were booted, and that is that.

[QUOTE=travrosty;1129262]Remember, Chris Williams was a member of this 'hate site'.
So, you are saying it is a hate site? I dont care you Cris or David Duke was on the site. You admit it is a hate site?

[QUOTE=shelly;1129267]you are arguing just to argue.

Shelly, you're being worse than Chris...why do you want it labelled a hate site so bad? if you have something to say, then say it!

whenever people start to talk about autographs, there are a few that try to reel everyone else into these personal deals that take up tons of time, but accomplish nothing.

its net54baseball.com, not net54mypersonalproblems.com

exactly,

i knew he would post what he did, because if i call it a hate site, thats not good enough for him, and if i don't, that's not good enough for him, he is only interested in piling on the nonsense of "you are friends with so and so , so you are a jerk"

let's everybody post all of our friends on this thread and submit them to a few people that get to go line by line and judge our worthiness of existing in this world.

i didnt write anything, someone else did, he blames me. same tired story. sick of it. moving on. thanks leon for asking the pertinent question about autographsnewlive. i hope i answered it to your satisfaction, now let the craziness continue with the few who started it.

What would you call it when they post that kind of garbage. If they had called you or anyone in you family what they call Chris you would be really pissed.
Hate is a sick thing. Being Jewish might just make me a little more senstive. You also have to understand that I was born in 1940 so I just have a different out look about hate and fear and what it can do to people and there lives. This has little to do with Chris. It has a lot to do with hate.
Does that answer you question?

The good thing about this site is that, while not above petty squabbles, we know the name of everyone who posts. That is why I like and respect this site and won't even go to most others.

Just so you know. I sent that site to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the ADL, and the FBI. I dont care who you are. That was hate in its worse form. Hidden names no place to find them just a bunch of hateful human waste.
Travis stop crying and be a man.

Really, Shelly? Really? You act like an ass, and then, as an excuse, you play the Holocaust card? Shame on you.

(BTW, I am, and have always been extremely proud to be, a Jew. Some might say a "smart-ass New York Jew," but I'm proud of that, too.)