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danmckee 02-21-2013 04:00 PM

Another IDIOTIC ebayer!
 
My Hall of Fame Lenox Chance is priced High I know, but I sold my McGraw for $4K. Now this idiot decides to educate me on T206s.

Thanks for the rant last night guys and gals!

Buythatcard 02-21-2013 04:29 PM

Hey Dan thanks for the plug :)

I have my share but I think every decent seller on eBay will come across a few.

It makes it interesting.

vintagetoppsguy 02-21-2013 04:29 PM

It looks like he used the Value Estimator on T206.org

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x...pse99a9bb0.jpg

"IDIOTIC ebayer" or not, what made you feel like you had to insult him, call him names and start a thread about it?

Why not take the time to educate him?

bn2cardz 02-21-2013 04:31 PM

T206.org is my guess. They quote it at $420. I , like you, do not agree with that. I just assume that is where he is getting his pricing.

bn2cardz 02-21-2013 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy (Post 1092652)
"IDIOTIC ebayer" or not, what made you feel like you had to insult him, call him names and start a thread about it?

Why not take the time to educate him?

I agree. The way it was handled was over the top. If you don't want to deal with lowball offers, then have ebay do an automatic decline of them.

cubsfan-budman 02-21-2013 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danmckee (Post 1092633)
My Hall of Fame Lenox Chance is priced High I know, but I sold my McGraw for $4K. Now this idiot decides to educate me on T206s.

cmaimone( 431) US $300.00 You declined Feb-21-13 09:19:54 PST 07047
Seller message: It is a HOF u idiot! My McGraw sold for $4k. Do ur homework dumbshit!
Buyer message: the T206 card which sold at $7500 is a Lenox BROWN back which is extraordinarily rare. Your card is a Lenox BLACK back which is much more common. your card which is in "Good" condition is worth $425


Where do these moronic idiots come from?

I thought only buythatcard attracted these losers

A hall of famer Lenox back is worth several thousand no matter what the color or grade.

He seems much more reasonable than you.

CMIZ5290 02-21-2013 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bn2cardz (Post 1092657)
I agree. The way it was handled was over the top. If you don't want to deal with lowball offers, then have ebay do an automatic decline of them.

+1 big time....

brob28 02-21-2013 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bn2cardz (Post 1092657)
I agree. The way it was handled was over the top. If you don't want to deal with lowball offers, then have ebay do an automatic decline of them.

Agreed.

Shoele$$ 02-21-2013 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bn2cardz (Post 1092657)
I agree. The way it was handled was over the top. If you don't want to deal with lowball offers, then have ebay do an automatic decline of them.

This^

Your response to him was really what started it and was simply uncalled for. Looks like he did do some "homework" and came up with $420 from an online T206 source. Whether that's really the price somebody is willing to pay or not is irrelevant, you simply should have just explained yourself in a professional manner and declined if you didn't want to sell. Or like has been mentioned, have Ebay set up for automatic offer decline if you have a bare bottom number in mind.

wonkaticket 02-21-2013 04:54 PM

Dan, was the card seriously under-graded?

Did you publish your phone number and demand him to call you and or ask him if he has ever owned a jock?

Did you lowball him on the item and then when it didn’t work out come on a public chat board and slam his cards as over-graded garbage?

Did you explain that you’re most likely one of the top 5 T206 collectors of Net54?

If not those are options that you can try as well in the future vs. calling him an idiot. :)

sb1 02-21-2013 05:47 PM

I only have one question, was there or was there not any Ketel involved when you replied to this nice ebayer. :D

quinnsryche 02-21-2013 05:53 PM

Why?
 
What is it with all the name calling when an ebay issue comes up? That's the second one this week. Eveyone please relax and don't take everything so personally when your deal doesn't go just like you want it to.

Matthew H 02-21-2013 06:13 PM

Haha, what an idiot. Dan, where do you find these guys?

William Todd 02-21-2013 06:53 PM

Serenity now!

danmckee 02-21-2013 06:59 PM

Thanks for the rant last night guys and gals

danmckee 02-21-2013 07:06 PM

Leon can you please change that "I am the one" thingy you did to me, it is probably promoting your idiot kronies to attack me!

Sean1125 02-21-2013 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danmckee (Post 1092767)
I am a LOSER magnet with ebay and this board!

I used to do the minimum offer thing but lost some legit offers that way

If you are going to offer $300 on a $7500 item than you are the fkg idiot!

I hate chump change know it all morons that reside on this board and ebay.

It ruins the hobby

For u fkg assholes thinking $425 is what a HOF Lenox back T206 is worth, I will buy all of the ones you chump change know it all broke losers have at $1K each.

I hate morons and I hate what this board has become.

The board hates me and I hate the FKG board!

It is a beautiful marriage!


Woah :confused::confused::confused:

danmckee 02-21-2013 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean1125 (Post 1092775)
Woah :confused::confused::confused:

Double Whoa!

danmckee 02-21-2013 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sb1 (Post 1092711)
I only have one question, was there or was there not any Ketel involved when you replied to this nice ebayer. :D

How do you know I drink Ketel One?

That is disturbing

bigfish 02-21-2013 07:15 PM

lenox
 
Dan, I am on your side. The guy who made the offer is a full on donkey. If he wants to practice Jedi mind tricks maybe he should join the circus. See you at the national.

Wymers Auction 02-21-2013 07:19 PM

I agree with you Dan even if your card was worth $25 if you are asking $4000 I would just figure we could never meet in the middle.

danmckee 02-21-2013 07:20 PM

Thanks for the rant last night guys and gals!

Jewish-collector 02-21-2013 07:21 PM

Dan - At least I never made you a ridiculous offer on your Guy Zinn card. :D:D:D:D:D

See you at the National.

danmckee 02-21-2013 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigfish (Post 1092780)
Dan, I am on your side. The guy who made the offer is a full on donkey. If he wants to practice Jedi mind tricks maybe he should join the circus. See you at the national.

Hi Toby! Yes I will look forward to seeing you my friend, You have always been good to deal with. email me at r337man@yahoo.com, I am not sure I still have what you need. Dan

Shoele$$ 02-21-2013 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danmckee (Post 1092767)
I am a LOSER magnet with ebay and this board!

I used to do the minimum offer thing but lost some legit offers that way

If you are going to offer $300 on a $7500 item than you are the fkg idiot!

I hate chump change know it all morons that reside on this board and ebay.

It ruins the hobby

For u fkg assholes thinking $425 is what a HOF Lenox back T206 is worth, I will buy all of the ones you chump change know it all broke losers have at $1K each.

I hate morons and I hate what this board has become.

The board hates me and I hate the FKG board!

It is a beautiful marriage!



U mad?........

danmckee 02-21-2013 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jewish-collector (Post 1092786)
Dan - At least I never made you a ridiculous offer on your Guy Zinn card. :D:D:D:D:D

See you at the National.

My friend no offer from you is ever ridiculous! You are family!

lharri3600 02-21-2013 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danmckee (Post 1092784)
Name calling??????????

How about offering $300 on a $7500 listing?

How ignorant is that? Even if the listing is only worth $300, why be a FKG asshole!

Dan,
people are what they are, why? I don't have the answer. If I did, I'd be sipping pina coladas on my own island!!:D

danmckee 02-21-2013 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoele$$ (Post 1092788)
U mad?........

FKG A I am mad!

I just beat up my wife!

Now I am hiding, she hits back hard as shit!

Runscott 02-21-2013 07:26 PM

Thanks Dan, for starting this entertaining thread. Luckily for us, almost no one who knows you responded :), increasing the shock factor.

I think you should change your handle to 'over-the-top-Dan'

lharri3600 02-21-2013 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Runscott (Post 1092795)
Thanks Dan, for starting this entertaining thread. Luckily for us, almost no one who knows you responded :), increasing the shock factor.

I think you should change your handle to 'over-the-top-Dan'

Scott, Love it lol:D

danmckee 02-21-2013 07:29 PM

If I wasn't entertaining, I would be completely worthless to the baseball card hobby!

Peter_Spaeth 02-21-2013 07:29 PM

Sometimes a little emotion is healthy. Calling someone a dumbshit is pretty mild in the scheme of things.

lharri3600 02-21-2013 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1092801)
Sometimes a little emotion is healthy. Calling someone a dumbshit is pretty mild in the scheme of things.

Well said Mr Spaeth!

Shoele$$ 02-21-2013 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danmckee (Post 1092793)
FKG A I am mad!

I just beat up my wife!

Now I am hiding, she hits back hard as shit!

Lolz....

Don't ya hate when that happens?

Mine likes to grab and dig the nails :eek:

lharri3600 02-21-2013 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoele$$ (Post 1092804)
Lolz....

Don't ya hate when that happens?

Mine likes to grab and dig the nails :eek:

OUCH, Man you guys get off lucky!!:eek:

danmckee 02-21-2013 07:31 PM

That Beach!

Mine still loves me, for my cards :)

HRBAKER 02-21-2013 07:31 PM

Dan,
It's just good you have somewhere you can vent. :)

William Todd 02-21-2013 07:36 PM

Dan, I just looked at the card, it's beautiful, I wish I had an extra $7000.
Hang tough.

danmckee 02-21-2013 07:37 PM

Thanks for the rant last night guys and gals!

boysblue 02-21-2013 07:43 PM

Just foolin' or 'roid rage?

danmckee 02-21-2013 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wonkaticket (Post 1092676)
Dan, was the card seriously under-graded?

Did you publish your phone number and demand him to call you and or ask him if he has ever owned a jock?

Did you lowball him on the item and then when it didn’t work out come on a public chat board and slam his cards as over-graded garbage?

Did you explain that you’re most likely one of the top 5 T206 collectors of Net54?

If not those are options that you can try as well in the future vs. calling him an idiot. :)

Wonka, u owe me a trip to Baltimore with some toy promos, when can we make that happen?

thehoodedcoder 02-21-2013 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy (Post 1092652)
It looks like he used the Value Estimator on T206.org

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x...pse99a9bb0.jpg

"IDIOTIC ebayer" or not, what made you feel like you had to insult him, call him names and start a thread about it?

Why not take the time to educate him?

+1...related to other threads and personal messages of the same nature towards me.

classy. he probably made as ridiculous of a offer as he thought the offered price was...or am i missing something about that logic?

kevin

danmckee 02-21-2013 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder (Post 1092824)
+1...related to other threads and personal messages of the same nature towards me.

classy.

kevin

U have a serious hair up ur ass for me don't you?

I am sorry you don't agree with my business ethics Kevin

danmckee 02-21-2013 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder (Post 1092824)
+1...related to other threads and personal messages of the same nature towards me.

classy. he probably made as ridiculous of a offer as he thought the offered price was...or am i missing something about that logic?

kevin

If the price is ridiculous, move on and don't start trouble?

How about that?

Jealousy is a nasty evil pal

danmckee 02-21-2013 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder (Post 1092824)
+1...related to other threads and personal messages of the same nature towards me.

classy. he probably made as ridiculous of a offer as he thought the offered price was...or am i missing something about that logic?

kevin

How many T206 Hall of Famer Lenox backs do you have for sale at $425?

that is what I thought

danmckee 02-21-2013 07:50 PM

Who runs T206.org?

I will buy all of their Lenox Back Chance cards at $1K each

thehoodedcoder 02-21-2013 07:58 PM

dick
 
5 or 6 single sentance posts in a row? Can't you form a single concise post. Every time you rage like a freaking idiot you start slamming a post like you are trying to get it to the next page or something.....

Jealous. You can't be serious. Remove your own penis from your own mouth GUY. I chose whole heartedly to NOT be like you. I don't care if you are venting. Im not alone when I say you acted like a dick to the guy...and its not the first time.

Maybe you are what you eat then... huh?

Kevin Quinn

cobblove 02-21-2013 07:59 PM

how many will you buy at 7500?

danmckee 02-21-2013 08:04 PM

Thanks for the rant last night guys and gals!

danmckee 02-21-2013 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder (Post 1092836)
5 or 6 single sentance posts in a row? Can't you form a single consice post. every time you rage like a freaking idiot you start slamming a post like you are trying to get it to the next page or something.....

Jealous. You can't be serious. Remove your own penis from your own mouth GUY. I chose whole heartedly to NOT be like you. I don't care if you are venting. Im not alone when I say you acted like a dick to the guy...and its not the first time.

Maybe you are what you eat then huh?

Kevin Quinn

ok, when I grow up, I would like to be like you then

bbsports 02-21-2013 08:07 PM

Hey Dan- We have done card business a long time ago. I respect you as a dealer. For all your years of experience, you are going to get people that may know T206 cards, but lack the knowledge in scarce backs. I know the guy very well who ticked you off. He really is a good person & a good collector, but needs to learn about these scarce backs. When I see him at the next card show in my area, I will speak to him about this matter & try to further educate his knowledge in scarce T206 backs.

thehoodedcoder 02-21-2013 08:08 PM

grow up
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by danmckee (Post 1092840)
ok, when I grow up, I would like to be like you then

Yes. For God's sake. Grow up.

Kevin

Shoele$$ 02-21-2013 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder (Post 1092836)
5 or 6 single sentance posts in a row? Can't you form a single concise post. Every time you rage like a freaking idiot you start slamming a post like you are trying to get it to the next page or something.....

Jealous. You can't be serious. Remove your own penis from your own mouth GUY. I chose whole heartedly to NOT be like you. I don't care if you are venting. Im not alone when I say you acted like a dick to the guy...and its not the first time.

Maybe you are what you eat then... huh?

Kevin Quinn


Kev relax my man, you're not making it any better, lol.

The entertainment value of this thread has just shot up a notch....

danmckee 02-21-2013 08:09 PM

Thanks for the rant last night guys and gals

Peter_Spaeth 02-21-2013 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbsports (Post 1092843)
Hey Dan- We have done card business a long time ago. I respect you as a dealer. For all your years of experience, you are going to get people that may know T206 cards, but lack the knowledge in scarce backs. I know the guy very well who ticked you off. He really is a good person & a good collector, but needs to learn about these scarce backs. When I see him at the next card show in my area, I will speak to him about this matter & try to further educate his knowledge in scarce T206 backs.

If the guy didnt know what he was talking about he should have been asking dan to explain his price, not lecturing him. So Dan gets a little ticked off from time to time. Not a big deal.

danmckee 02-21-2013 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbsports (Post 1092843)
Hey Dan- We have done card business a long time ago. I respect you as a dealer. For all your years of experience, you are going to get people that may know T206 cards, but lack the knowledge in scarce backs. I know the guy very well who ticked you off. He really is a good person & a good collector, but needs to learn about these scarce backs. When I see him at the next card show in my area, I will speak to him about this matter & try to further educate his knowledge in scarce T206 backs.

That is cool, but to be fair, why make a $300 offer on a $7500 listing even if the item is only worth $2.00. You just don't do that my friend. Not cool.

A seller has every right to ask what they want, if it is ridiculous to the buyer, either send an email or move on. making stupid offers just causes problems.

If he is cool than I am more than happy to help him in any way.

thanks
dan

danmckee 02-21-2013 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder (Post 1092844)
Yes. For God's sake. Grow up.

Kevin

Grow up? No way! I am having fun!!! Do you want to grow up? that isn't any fun, most people grow up, only a select few of us get to hang back and have a blast!!

Leon 02-21-2013 08:15 PM

I made an offer of $1.43 on Dan's upside down, miscut, T210 Old Mill. It was a good price for me. He declined.

danmckee 02-21-2013 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leon (Post 1092856)
I made an offer of $1.43 on Dan's upside down T210 Old Mill. It was a good price for me. He declined.

u liar, u offered $175

and if I didn't know u, I would have buried you!

Peter_Spaeth 02-21-2013 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danmckee (Post 1092854)
Grow up? No way! I am having fun!!! Do you want to grow up? that isn't any fun, most people grow up, only a select few of us get to hang back and have a blast!!

Time for a Peter Pan avatar.

cobblove 02-21-2013 08:16 PM

Seeing this much stress from this simple offer. I think the best thing you can do is take off the best offer option and just put what you want for the card. Not worth losing sleep over my man.

thehoodedcoder 02-21-2013 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1092852)
If the guy didnt know what he was talking about he should have been asking dan to explain his price, not lecturing him. So Dan gets a little ticked off from time to time. Not a big deal.

Its ok to get ticked off. It's not ok to take it out on people, especially over the price of a freaking baseball card.

That basically is the definition of a dick...right or wrong?

So what if you get low balled. Thats a day in the life of a sales transaction....

Maybe I will tell everyone I know to go on ebay and low ball him until he gets used to it?

Get a freaking grip on reality or find something else to do with your time.

danmckee 02-21-2013 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cobblove (Post 1092859)
Seeing this much stress from this simple offer. I think the best thing you can do is take off the best offer option and just put what you want for the card. Not worth losing sleep over my man.

Are you kidding me?

Then we wouldn't have this awesome thread!

Would you prefer not to have this thread?

If so, then yes, I will put a minimum offer on things to keep the chump changer idiots from embarrassing themselves

murcerfan 02-21-2013 08:20 PM

Dan.

maybe you need to add some text in your listings regarding acceptable best offers in relation to asking price....just a thought.....especially when asking uber-retail.

danmckee 02-21-2013 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by murcerfan (Post 1092862)
Dan.

maybe you need to add some text in your listings regarding acceptable best offers in relation to asking price....just a thought.....especially when asking uber-retail.

Dave!

I can't believe you sold that 1951 current allstar Rizzuto I needed!

I still haven't got one and that was 15 years ago!

Man u r killing me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

caramelcard 02-21-2013 08:25 PM

Automatic Decline option Dan.

danmckee 02-21-2013 08:26 PM

Yes I have used that in the past but have lost some good sales due to it. Unfortunately I will need to do it again. It is sad but it is a fact. Thanks my friend.

murcerfan 02-21-2013 08:27 PM

nope....Rizzuto is still hiding under my bed


I'm waiting for the market to really take off....then I'll prolly throw him up on e-bay with a best offer option....;)

I did sell half my sea raider high no.s though :( had a tax bill.

chill man.

Leon 02-21-2013 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danmckee (Post 1092857)
u liar, u offered $175

and if I didn't know u, I would have buried you!

ok, I was wrong, first time ever....but I was still further away than that guy that offered on your Lenox...you have the T210 up at 15k

.
type-card-collector ( 2089 )
US $135.88 You declined





.

danmckee 02-21-2013 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder (Post 1092860)
Its ok to get ticked off. It's not ok to take it out on people, especially over the price of a freaking baseball card.

That basically is the definition of a dick...right or wrong?

So what if you get low balled. Thats a day in the life of a sales transaction....

Maybe I will tell everyone I know to go on ebay and low ball him until he gets used to it?

Get a freaking grip on reality or find something else to do with your time.

Well stated Kevin, actually it looks like you have already told everyone that. I will just have to get used to it and get a grip on reality like you said. Keep them coming and hopefully I will be cured to meet your standards.

danmckee 02-21-2013 08:30 PM

Thanks for the rant last night guys and gals

Leon 02-21-2013 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danmckee (Post 1092874)
u prick, u know u get a hall pass from me, don't use ur antics as an example here. If you want me to lump you in with the rest of the idiots then so be it.

hugs and kisses Danny.....say hi to Pops for me...

dodgerfanjohn 02-21-2013 09:20 PM

LOL. I post on another unrealted internet site where postings like Dan's are ALWAYS induced by alcohol.

Seriously upset by a lowball offer. Wow.

<img src="http://www.anony.ws/i/2013/02/22/5BOq.jpg" border="0" />

sbfinley 02-21-2013 09:27 PM

Dan is a good guy and knows his stuff. I wouldn't have handled the situation the way he did, but to each his own.

On a side note, I just returned to the board after an extended break and I am amazed at some of the colorful insults that fly almost daily now. The board has seemed to lose some of its civility, but as it is Leon's property he alone can make that judgement. I'll argue all day long with someone, but I'll attempt to return an educated response. I've seen more more references to masterbation, sexuality, and political preference in the last week then I did in the previous six years. Oh well.

wonkaticket 02-21-2013 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danmckee (Post 1092823)
Wonka, u owe me a trip to Baltimore with some toy promos, when can we make that happen?

Whenever you accept my $300 dollar offer from today on your Lenox. :)

Call me in the AM lets set a time already.

I agree with Dan grumpy or not common sense says if a card is listed for $7k you don’t offer a few hundred bucks…it is a little insulting.

Besides if the guy did the research on the t206.org site that brought him to this insane price. He could also have done or did additional research on other sites and past eBay sales and see that Lenox cards don’t sell for 3-4 hundred dollars especially hall of fame players.

Sort of like me using Google to look up T206 Wagner’s and pulling the 80k price from 15 years ago on one and offering that today on the same card. Guy didn’t look up Lenox and find only that one site and historical price I’m not buying it.

Cheers,

John

Sean 02-22-2013 01:03 AM

Dan, I agree the guy was a dumbs..t, but you really didn't need to point that out to him. On the other hand, it's not like you lost a potential sale to a guy who wants to spend $300 for a Lenox.:rolleyes:
I want to add that I bought a card from Dan last month. It was a BIN, I made an offer, Dan counter- offered, I accepted, and we both were happy. No problems and no drama. Thanks Dan.

kcohen 02-22-2013 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danmckee (Post 1092779)
How do you know I drink Ketel One?

That is disturbing


Hey Danny,

Maybe you and Scott went to a ball game together sometime back.

BTW, there is an April 24 1 o'clock day game vs the Cardinals. Might be a good day for you to play hooky and come down here to catch it. It'll probably be cold but the Ketel should take care of that.

danmckee 02-22-2013 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1092978)
Dan, I agree the guy was a dumbs..t, but you really didn't need to point that out to him. On the other hand, it's not like you lost a potential sale to a guy who wants to spend $300 for a Lenox.:rolleyes:
I want to add that I bought a card from Dan last month. It was a BIN, I made an offer, Dan counter- offered, I accepted, and we both were happy. No problems and no drama. Thanks Dan.

Yes Sean I agree with you. I get tons of goofy offers and I usually just decline them and populate my blocked bidder list.

This one was bad timing, I had a horrible day at work and was late getting home. So I blew up. But anyone that knows me, that is me right or wrong sometimes.

danmckee 02-22-2013 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcohen (Post 1093002)
Hey Danny,

Maybe you and Scott went to a ball game together sometime back.

BTW, there is an April 24 1 o'clock day game vs the Cardinals. Might be a good day for you to play hooky and come down here to catch it. It'll probably be cold but the Ketel should take care of that.

Hi Kenny! I am good with that as long as the weather looks good my friend!

bn2cardz 02-22-2013 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wonkaticket (Post 1092951)

Sort of like me using Google to look up T206 Wagner’s and pulling the 80k price from 15 years ago on one and offering that today on the same card. Guy didn’t look up Lenox and find only that one site and historical price I’m not buying it.

Cheers,

John

Well Andrew is selling a Wagner for $75k, so I think those prices are still relevant. :rolleyes:


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