the truth then moving on
 

At least two collectors here believe the picture they ran some kind of software. Im not that smart with a computer to edit pictures. Anyways i have someone im seriously considering meeting to sell. Idid not know this card was as in demand as it is. Now that i do know the only way to prove it would be in person. If i get what im looking for i will meet one of two people that believe. I have not tried to scam anyone people here ive done transactions with know i am legit.
Thanks
Andrew

Post a video with the card.

Andrew people have believed you in much smaller deals. This card is different and it is well known who owns it. Even if by some ridiculous miracle you did own it you would need to explain why you have it. The been in the family for a long time is a lie. There is too much proof otherwise with auction records, statements of the real owner with the card in his hands saying he was offered 60k more than the 200K+ that he paid at auction. If I were you I would just go quietly into the night and not look back. Being a criminal might not suit you very well.

...

This reminds me so much of the Character Tweener on the show Prison Break. The character was in prison for stealing a baseball collection that happened to have a t206 Wagner in it and he "didn't know how much it was worth"...

http://prisonbreak.wikia.com/wiki/Da...er%22_Apolskis

Not trying to be a criminal at all moving on did not know it would blow the thread up this bad. Still would like to buy and trade on the forum. No one in their right mind would send this kind of cash it would be an in person deal. After i discuss the situation with wife and dad we will see what happens with the card. Moving on

Andrew if you truly owned the card than why cant you tell us where you got it from? The been in the family story has been debunked there is proof it has been up for sale in 2010. Why can you not present clearer proof that you own it? What you are doing is a crime.

I think you blew any shot at that.

I have done nothing that is a crime. The only story i have is the one i relayed. Thats why im waiting to talk to my dad. Im curious about the one the dr bought as well. A crime would be if i took your money and kept the card... advertising the card is jjst that advertising. Time will tell what happens with it, however a lot of people here should watch personal attacks.

Was not expecting that one.

And I have NEVER done this before but most likely I am going to let the board decide on his membership. I know my decision...but usually try to make sure I am on the right track. Most decisions are quite easy OR I just don't want to put them to vote.

The board decide my membership. Thats not really right. I could understand if i stole from someone or sold drugs. Then i could understand a vote on membership. Makes me laugh when people that openly profit off of the hobby want to act holier than thou.

Maybe we should see a picture with wife holding the card first.

If he would have come clean when he was first busted, I would just chalk it up to being young and immature and say give him another chance. The fact that he continues to stick to his story makes my decision pretty easy.

Edited to add: LOL at Frank's comment :D

andrew...since you seem to have advanced photoshopping/computer skills...why not post a "real" photo...with a newspaper in the background...or with your "wife"...depicting the card...not a photo shopped one...and maybe we'd believe u?!

Wagner's are like fingerprints...each one is different and easily identifiable...esp the one you've chosen to "sell"...and most on this board know more about them than our "spouses!"

If no real proof is provided...I say get rid of him...there are already too many liars/cheaters/thieves in the hobby!

I say get rid of him. He just tried to scam someone out of a ton of money.

Attempting to do so is a crime btw.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_P8n0J5nF3I...humbs_down.jpg


My vote

I contacted Heritage Auction about this I doubt they will respond, but we will see.

For law enforcement and any of you merry pranksters.

from The bottom of page 1 here:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...08#post1071508

Here is a direct quote from Heritage
Thanks for the notification—we are aware. Thankfully this guy is teeing himself up for the police by documenting his fraud. Hardly a criminal mastermind.

Best,

Jonathan Scheier

Consignment Director

www.HA.com

Heritage Auctions

3500 Maple Ave: 17th Floor

Dallas, TX 75219

Phone: 800.872.6467 ext. 1314

Direct Line: 214.409.1314

Direct Fax: 214.409.2314

I find it quite interesting that Andrew is hanging around to defend his story, despite seemingly overwhelming evidence that disputes him. We know the story doesn't stack up and his photo is laughable, yet here he is.

If it's up to the membership whether he stays or goes, I vote he stays - the better to keep an eye on him. I really want to hear the full story of this card. His unwillingness to answer blunt questions is concerning, but if he's still here perhaps he will eventually answer them.

This all depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is.

You can never trust a Clinton :D

Before anybody complains, not trying to be political, just funny.

Amen to that.

I'm sure the good Dr. would like to know that his card is mysteriously in Nashville as well.

Dr. Nicholas DePace, M.D., F.A.C.C.
Philadelphia Office:
2047 Oregon Ave.
Philadelphia, PA 19145
Phone: (215) 339-8055

To Andrew's credit, when he posted the card in the B/S/T, at least he didn't claim that it's undergraded.

I will gladly go if thats what evrryone wants. However i am in the middle of a few small transactions. Want to make sure they go as planned and fair for each involved. Then i will gladly go.

Andrew,
You are becoming the "Pete Rose" of Net54. You need to admit you made a mistake, take responsibility for your actions and move on. Maybe this started out as a joke. I don't know. Maybe you joined here a few weeks ago to get your name known and planned this "scam" all along. As an attorney, I deal with real criminals on a daily basis. Most think that they are smarter than everyone else. They find out that they are not when it is too late. Every here knows that you do not own the card. No one is going to trust you with even a small transaction in the future until and unless you can rehabilitate your reputation here. Other people who post here regularly have made mistakes in their lives and even involving the hobby and have been forgiven. Give up the nonsensical story while you can.

So, I leave work early for a 30 minute ride home, and this is what I missed........

Goodness gracious dude...do you not realize that you literally may go to prison???

Das Boot.

Relative to my vote I look at it like this, board members have more to lose by dealing with someone that is suspected of unscrupulousness behavior than they can possibly gain from any contribution to the forums he can make. If you look at it in that light I think there is only one way to go with this issue.

I am not so sure banning him makes sense. If everyone is keen to his ruse there is no need to ban the guy. Let him keep posting humorous posts so the authorities have more info to go on.

Andrew I have made mistakes in my auction career. I have even made a bad decision regarding a baseball auction several years ago. I had to personally apologize to everyone and I have never violated anybody's trust again in this hobby. The cards I sell I either own or have a legally binding consignment contract with the owner to sell them. I do not know that you could find forgiveness on a blunder as big as this one, but at least save some face and just come clean.

I vote he stays.

This thread has been an entertaining respite in my relatively boring retirement. :)

I don't know you guys, until he is in court, it may be more beneficial to everyone to have "Not Banned, but don't do any deals with him" in place of where "Member" is located under his username.

Wow, I missed all of this as well.

Any board members in Nashville willing to meet this guy? I doubt he would show up.

Sincerely, Clayton

Andrew, in all seriousness, I have a buyer for you. He is an international buyer that goes by the name of: Cole Pi

Area code 911 - (pm me for the rest of the number)

We have a Ton OF members in the Nashville area. I would recommend meeting at the nearest police precinct to the the deal. If I had a large valued card I was selling I would be happy to do that. As for banning or not, the jury is still out. While many think it's a no-brainer, I think the views so far have disputed that assumption.

OMG!!! i was thinking that too!

To quote another great movie:


Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.

Sound logic Leon.

This is a strange thing, does the OP understand that people follow all of the known Wagner cards? I don't get what he is trying to do? This is not Craigslist.

Sincerely, Clayton

"i did not have sexual relations with any woman ever"

LOLOL!!!!!

This thread is amazing! Super in so many ways.

I can't believe this guy is claiming he still owns the card. Give it up, bro. At least humor us with a picture of Kate Upton holding the card.


Best,

Andy

She wouldn't need her hands.

Amen, Dr. Frank!

ag

How about a video of you and the card, also some close up video, also what about the SGC # of the card that would be nice. If you have it prove it and im sure someone will buy it.


If your not going to prove it means your lying and I would vote to ban him too.

"I did not have sexual relations with that Wagner"

You have to give him credit, he is definitely planning on going down with the ship. He's also as stubborn as my 3 year old.

The cert # is the same as the nuns wagner you could see the
# when he had it in the bst.

I played PM tag with this guy last night trying to get better images from him. You are wasting your time asking trying to get better evidence or video. The horribly photoshopped one he already provided is the best you are going to get. I don't care if he can lurk or take part in the discussion forums, but there is absolutely no way that a habitual liar of this scale should be allowed in the B/S/T area, which is at this point renowned for its safety.

My vote - Ban Hammer

Kate Upton holding the card?
 

Better yet, Andrew, all will be forgiven if you can produce a video of Kate Upton dancing with card... or any card for that matter...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCUnWIs88CQ

Hey you are in Nashville
Head on over there and authenticate it for us! :)
His phone number is: 615-506-9710

ROFL really.....didnt see that, so whats this guy trying to say? Maybe he is the real owners son, who stole it from his dad, i guess thats all hes got left:rolleyes:

He has exceeded his allotted fifteen minutes.

He almost got away with it!

I don't really feel like getting shot or stabbed today.

Good lord. I just realized the t202s I sold yesterday were to this guy. I've issued a refund and am running away. I suggest the other "deals" do likewise. Effing hell

Should there be a poll posted to see if he stays or goes?

The Jergens Bandit
 

Translation: I just tried to commit a major crime buy stealing 75k+ from anyone willing to buy the story. If it’s ok with you guys I’d like to stick around and still be able to steal in smaller amounts on your BST.

Why is the “Jergens Bandit” still a member? Why is he still typing here?

Leon we have given folks the boot for less Dorskind got a timeout simply because he couldn’t play well with others guy never tried to rob anyone blind and certainly didn’t get a vote. I get it its great entertainment, great doctored picture, well-tailored shirt & bottles of lotion sort of field day for me. But the guy was and still is clinging to the fact he is trying to sell something he doesn’t own why give him any voice?

Not busting your chops just seems odd....

Cheers,

John

This!!!^

The fact that it is even up for debate baffles me. He is an unremitting liar.

I guess because im an unforgiving SOB when someone not only is a Liar but also trying to rob some guy out of a ton of cash. I would not only ban him from this forum but i would also notify other forums or anyplace like this. that maybe you (leon / admins/mods) know of to keep him from robbing anyone. im sure he has or will try this somewhere else.

There are reasons not to ban right this minute....That's about all I want to say publicly....

if you ask anyone I have done any transaction with on here they will tell you Ive held up my end of the bargain every time. accusing someone of stealing is a serious accusation... ask around to the people ive sold cards too or bought cards from... i they will tell you Im as honest as I possibly can be. since the t202 deal is not happening now... i only have two things left to ship to be done with my currently pending deals. waiting on one more address... and then if you guys would like to ban me fine.... i wont like hanging around anyway if i cant buy sell trade... its the whole reason i joined.
thanks
andrew

if i lived in nashville id love to meet up with this guy and check the card out. o it would be alot of fun.

why cant you provied more proof, if you can ill make u an offer and im sure someone else here would blow away my offer too

Why do I feel like we're being set up as the bait car?

Andrew
 

tAndrew did you ever play linebacker for Notre Dame? Are you really Mante Teo ? And if not, are you his girlfriend?

This really is pretty simple.....post a damn video!! And walk up to the camera with the Wagner card in hand showing different angles in good lighting and all of this negative heat you're getting will go away. Pretty cut and dry.

what do the nuns say? amen to that

All you need is close picture with a post-it with your user name and the date on it all in the same shot. Simple verification picture. Until then, your hole is just getting deeper.

Same card ???


http://s709.beta.photobucket.com/use...11-21.mp4.html

http://i70.servimg.com/u/f70/11/52/54/64/ppstr10.jpg

Nelson, nope that is KO's listed as #15a & b over at T206resource.com

He even submitted a phone shot recently to the board.

I dont have the kind of money needed to buy a card like this but I know I can make three phone calls and put together a group that would be willing and able to buy this card for the asking price (as I am sure others can do the same). I think the solution is simple. If you are talking about putting down 75 to 100K for ANYTHING you want it totally checked out and this card is not any different. Provide solid proof that you are indeed the owner of this card and I think you will have guys falling all over themselves to purchase from you.

Andrew, you have to understand that nobody in their right mind would not be skeptical about your story and call you out on this. A simple video of you holding the card or something else that nobody can call into question the legitimacy of your claim would settle this.

From one Andrew to another, just put the evidence that is being asked for together and I am sure you will have cash within 24 hours from a number of suitors. PM me if you want...lets talk!

PM me if you want...lets talk! Says Charlie Sheehan to Chris Dorner?!

OK cool thanks chris !

I think I would rather be Charlie Sheen that Dorner! LOL

Millions of dollars in my pocket, women hanging out at my house, Ruths World Series ring on my finger............yeah...not bad! :)

There is that small addiction and tiger blood thing though!

Im one step ahead of you in one of the other threads :)

Isn't Frank Wakefield about 40 minutes north of Nashville? Think how efficient it would be having him meet Frank in his chambers.

Yeah has any lawyers chimed in on this yet?

I think after this leon needs a raise and a bonus.....bring his dog around and he can have a bonus too.