The downfall of the PSA boards.
 

Just an observation. I believe the influx of new members to the Net54 boards is caused in a major way by the downfall of the PSA boards. Everyone gets so tired of the soapboxing and name calling. That board has really gone downhill since I first joined many years ago. I am so thankful none of that goes on over here.....

Bobby- are you being serious or sarcastic? I hope the later....

I agree with this statement.

I just hope that those fleeing the CU boards who have been the cause of their own issues understand it is a whole new world here. And I am not just talking about one poster in particular......

I'm being serious.....all the things I am accused of over there. I am guilty of NONE of them...if Leon will allow me to, I can post something once and for all to get rid of all this bashing.

Bobby- I wasn't referring to you personally, I'm sorry. I have no clue what goes on with the PSA board or anything pertaining you. I was referring to things that are said on our board, where at times, bashing does go on whether we like it or not...

I would prefer not to bring other venue's issues over here....but it's an open board.

Ive known Bobby for years
 

I must agree with Bobby and must also say ive known Bobby since 2005 and have had several successful transactions, talks, trades and baseball collecting help with him. He is one of the last "class act" guys over on those boards. Welcome Bobby! And hope to hear more from ya brother.

sigh

Wow. Just... wow.

Sorry, Leon. I'll do my best to be a good boy. There's a good vibe here, and I'm grateful to be a part of it.

Let me see... it's a PSA board... Something with those three letters indicates that it can't be a quality board like this one...

PSA = Posts Supervised Always
PSA = Petty Superficial Authority

There have been times in the past where things got a bit crazy and the ensuing train wrecks have been somewhat spectacular on this board... but overall, it's a great board.

Geordie....you just don't know....I take alot over there. And am not the most eloquent at speaking when I get riled up. I can squash all this crap once and for all. All you got to do is ask.

Leon,
Is there a way to bookmark a thread? ;)

Board Drama Quotient on the rise.

The ironic things is....I am one of the most honest and trustyworthy members of the board. I laugh out loud alot when I read all the stuff about me. But I have heard it for YEARS now.....it gets old alot....especially when it isn't true.

Bobby, from my impartial observation, you've deserved all you've gotten and a lot more. My advice is to start fresh here and don't bring that negativity and questionable ethics over here- you were a large part of the problem.
Everyone deserves a fresh start in a new venue.

I'm sure I don't know all, Bobby. I've seen a good part of it, though, and my opinion is that a large part could have been diffused if you were willing to step back and be objective and admit that maybe, just maybe, you might be wrong.

Exhibit 1: the Milton Bradley thread.

There's no doubt you've taken a beating on CU, and probably more than you deserve. Some of that abuse has been self inflicted, though. For you to insinuate that everyone else is to blame is just not believable.

That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

All...Milton Bradley....let's talk......If I show you a group of twenty cards (in rows of 10 - one Milton Bradley and one Topps). I let you pick 20 of your most 'knowledgable' collectors. How many people do you think would get 100% on the quiz? How many do you think would get 80% on the quiz? You might be surprised that more people would fail than pass.

The ironic thing is.......that you have been called out numerous times for various perceived wrong doings not to mention flat out being wrong and refusing to accept it. Then there's the constant name calling and belittling others. Plus the Milton Bradley thread. Plus the '55 Mays that you not only knew was trimmed but had mentioned it in another thread. Then you completely deny having knowledge of it being trimmed when you get called out months later. I could go on for hours but I will digress.

I will give you credit for one thing, once you make a stance you never change that stance or bury your head in the sands like some others do. You will continue to argue with knowledgeable collectors even after they have proven you wrong.

Guys.

Stop.

Plus the '55 Mays that you not only knew was trimmed but had mentioned it in another thread. Then you completely deny having knowledge of it being trimmed when you get called out months later. I could go on for hours but I will digress.


Ah....Bill....you've been banned from PSA.....so let's talk about WIllie Mays here....

Bobbyw8469....I hate you!! You TRIMMED CARDS!!

A) False. I have never trimmed a card. I don't know how. Too honest for that. I have also never KNOWINGLY sold trimmed cards.

Well.....what about the 1955 Bowman Willie Mays??

A). Ahh...the Mays. I bought that one raw from TriplePlayVintage off of Ebay. I sent it in to PSA for grading. They rejected it as trimmed. I threw away the rejection flip (as I used to do in the past), and put it in my raw 'trouble' pile. Then cards in my trouble pile got scattered with my normal cards. I honestly forgot all about it until I come across it. I sold it on Ebay raw. The winning bidder sent it into PSA and it got rejected as 'trimmed'. I refunded the buyer. I then sold it on Ebay WITH the rejection Card Saver and it sold. The winning bidder sent it in to BVG where it achieved a high number grade. So is the card trimmed or not? I know it now resides with a numeric grade. And the argument of one grading company saying a card is trimmed and another grading card company saying a card is good has been going on long before I got into the hobby, and will continue to go on if and when I leave this hobby. That is also another argument altogether. Next?

Added: I learned alot after dealing with that Mays. I learned not to throw away the rejection card saver. I keep the cards into those savers until I dispose of them. Check out the recent 1960 Aaron, 1962 Aaron and 1962 Mays I sold as trimmed. I do hope the winning bidder is able to get them into holders. It won't be me. Ok.....next?

See, this response shows me and anyone else that witnessed or participated in that thread that you still don't get it.

We were never talking about 20 cards in two rows of 10. We were talking about one card. One card that even to a layman was obvious that it wasn't a MB. I don't know why you continue to deflect the conversation elsewhere. I'm not a MB expert and have never claimed to be one. However, there's no question in anyone's mind that your card was just a plain ol' Topps.

Whatever. Back to the sidelines for me.

I tried.

Ok, so there won't be too many of this type of thread so no one has to PM me about it. Moderation.
Now that being said, everyone who gives any opinion, at all, needs to have their name in their post. First and last name. If that is not good then edit your commentary out. This pertains to everyone in this thread (and is a rule anyway). I think this might be the biggest difference in this forum and the one being discussed. No anonymity when arguing or belittling :) someone. If you want to just talk about cards then your name can be private, only known to moderators. Also, anymore arguments from other venues, will need to be in the correct forum here. In other words, I would prefer not to have those issues brought here whatsoever, but if they are, and our rules are followed, then those threads should be in the correct forum (post war if that is how they originated over there) on this site. And lastly it bears reiterating what a few other board members have said. We are a different group. It would be wise to hang out a while and get the general orientation..... Same rules for everyone (no one reads them but still...) and they are posted. Carry on.....

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Sorry, Leon.

I'm sorry too. I have just been attacked for so long. If anyone wants to hear what REALLY happened, all they have to do is ask me. I am farrrrr from the monster everyone makes me out to be

What does this thread have to do with vintage cards?

The illni fan, I don't think the title of the thread has ANYTHING to do with vintage cards. The title of this thead was "the downfall of the PSA message board"? If it was about vintage cards, the title would have read (check out my 1951 Bowman Mantle). Not trying to be a smartass here, but come on......

Maybe we need a separate forum for carryover PSA Board feuds. :eek:

If you run into an a-hole in the morning, then, unfortunately, you ran into an a-hole. If you run into a-holes all day long, then you're the a-hole.

That. Would. Be. Awesome.

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Here's one of the favorite cards in my collection. NOW it's a vintage conversation. ;)

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Wow. Learned a LOT about Prewar cards. Thanx a LOT, guys.

Now I joined this forum for healthy arguments and rebuttals. If you want to resort to name calling, why dont you just mozie on over to the PSA message board. I never resorted to name calling - that fact that you are shows your mentality.

OK....Im gone.....if anyone wants want to ask me anything, I will be more than happy to answer them. Sorry won't respond to name calling. Keep that stuff in grade school, ok? Take care.

This isn't my board, but actually there is a separate area for cards issued post 1941; so even your vintage topic would be off-topic.

The unfortunate thing is that everytime a board closes down, the baggage from that board gets carried over. Beckett closed down and it dragged down the PSA board, PSA has brought in a moderator again (like they did in '04) that killed it, but hopefully it won't drag down this board.
New board, new start. Don't bitch about what happened elsewhere.

I like Bobby (except when we are playing fantasy football), therefore I'll ask the question so you can tell whatever it is that you want to tell.

What REALLY happened? (and I don't even know what topic I'm asking about but have at it)

Mike

Can someone please summarize what just happened in this thread? :confused:

I concur.

LOL! Mike, if you don't know by now, I can't fill you in...lol.....hope you are doing well. I am sorry that you quit your signed rookie card thread. I was glad I was able to help out in what little way I could.....

The collect-a-holic in me is getting to me though. I'm supposed to be saving the proceeds but yet I find myself venturing back into Presidential autographs again. Been eyeing an Abraham Lincoln signed check that I'm very close to sealing the deal on, should have a JFK graph in my mailbox in a couple days, and toying with a deal on a JFK signed Profiles in Courage. I haven't been posting a lot on CU lately cause I'm sick of seeing that Bama avatar from my avatar bet, LOL. Only 10 more days to go ;)

That bet should have had a condition in it that required the loser to log at least 10 posts a day!

Im happy this thread didnt turn into auction shilling :)

i dont go onto psa boards or really any other forums for sports cards but i hope that what ever was going on over there doesnt start on this board. i really like the collectors on this board for the most part they are very helpful and great to get info from. i hope that this board will stay the same with like minded collectors helping each other and none of the bull crap i hear on other about on other forums and i know that leon and other moderators wont put up with the crap.

the "psa board" is like some inside joke that only 5 people get. most here could care less about CU or what goes on there (or anything happening after 1942). on the other side i don't think most CU members can differentiate a '14 CJ from a '15...so i'm not sure what the mass exodus over here would accomplish? :confused:

maybe you guys can go post on the postware side and beef it up.

There are many like-minded, great people here and over on the CU boards. Sadly, there are always a few people in every bunch that allow the anonymity of the internet to go to their head and we start to see personal attacks and all sorts of unnecessary ugliness. It will never be completely eliminated, but my faith is in the vast majority of decent people who know how to behave in a civilized manner.

Cheers

Dave

+1

Very well said.

IMO, the PSA boards are actually stronger than ever now that they've laid down the law on proper behavior. Basically act like an adult and you'll be treated as such - same as on here, or any board for that matter.

I'm still very much contributing there and I simply want to augment my own fun with this hobby by posting here also. I think there will be some, particularly those who got in trouble with CU or kicked off, that will be badmouthing PSA here ... that's to be expected. But in general, most people there and here seem to have a degree of decency to them that I think will keep this hobby fun.

if they don't know, perhaps some/most will stick around long enough to learn. Unless you fell out of bed one day and suddenly knew all there was to know about CJs, you had a learning curve, too. ;)

Drama ebbs and flows in any online community. This isn't the first time acrimony from CU has spilled over here and it won't be the last. It has already been pointed out that there is a new mod on CU, and he/she is being very aggressive in enforcing the recently posted Forum Rules. There was a wave of bannings on Tuesday (that I myself was temporarily caught up in), and I'm sure there will be more. That is going to lead to mode new members seeking a place where there is a little more latitude. Some will quickly find this isn't the place for them, while others will stick around and learn new things.

As anyone can see, I joined back in '09, mostly to finish my T206 Superbas set. Once I finished I stopped coming around. When I got hit with the banhammer on Tuesday, I came back on to check things out. I quickly joined a few discussions and started learning. I'm glad I did. I plan/hope to stick around and become more knowledgable about prewar. Be patient with me and other CU refugees - we're not all bad seeds.

Geordie

I agree, this is for vintage cards, not carry over arguments from another board.

Maybe these discussions should be moved to the chat room???

Anyone want to talk about Old Judge or T206?

Joe

This is one thread Joe. It won't spill over into others.

Not to overstep my bounds Leon... I am sick of this! There is more to talk about than baseball cards, though not here. If you are looking for intellectual freedom leave your basements. This was an open forum for discussion of baseball history and/or cards, period. Not the 2nd amendment, mental health, criminal/justice system. Please don't make it more....

Please blackball me from this site. I officially resign.

Here's some cards :D

I'll second that .... never gonna pass up the chance to see/show some cards.
Good porn there Clayton! :) :) :)

You need to have your WHOLE name in the thread Ty. Not just your first name. Even I know that, the most basic board rule here there is! Again, I don't mean no disrespect, but if you don't like the topic, stay out of the thread. You can learn alot just by reading the title of the thread. If the thread was about baseball cards, then the title of the thread would read 'Check out my T205 Rube Marquard'. (insert card here)..

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To make a point, I don't like the home shopping network. My cable box has loads of those channels. I am not going to sit and watch the channels and then complain about it. I simply don't tune in to those channels. On a forum, you can choose what threads to go in to and read. You chose to look at this thread. You probably shouldn't complain when you chose to come in this thread on your own accord. There are alot of good members on the PSA boards (me included), that can and will contribute to this site. All we need is a chance.

I am pretty sure, that in a crude jest, we were attempting to make light of the subject and ingest a bit of subliminal humor. No harm, no foul.

There have been many threads in the past couple of days about the Exodus from the CU boards, and really ........ it is what it is.

This is the internet and things move faster than "real time" as we know it.

Personally, and I hope to substantially humble myself here, I love this forum and everyone here. I feel no ill will at all. I know that many members feel that this is their "online card family" and I 100% respect that. I, as a newbie, can only hope that someday I will be accepted into that family. Respect is the magical word in that sentence.

This isn't a place to b*tch and complain about the same things over and over again. I'm new and already tired of it. No I don't have to "read" it .... but I have to see it if I want to see net54 at all.

Bobby,

The point about the topic isn't about your title. It is the category you posted it in. This is the pre-war forum. Your topic is more appropriate for the water cooler forum. or maybe the post war forum if you want to talk about the specific card issues you had over there. Your title and topic are fine, it is just living in the wrong place.

I know some people don't care for these kinds of topics but I enjoy them in their place. I can be naive and reading about these conflicts helps me have a better understanding of an aspect of the hobby I am ignorant of due to the very few transactions I am personally involved in.

I hope you have a better experience here. If you take it slow, and keep your head down, you will win friends over time. I find that vigorously defending myself rarely achieves what I hope it will achieve. I know the temptation is overwhelming to clear your name, but the truth will bear out over time. Don't get baited into responding to every grumpy comment. You will lose even when you win. I have been arguing on the internet for 10 years, and silence, though it is the hardest argument for me to make, is almost always my best argument.

Steve, is your Cobb in an 'Auth' holder? It looks seriously manipulated on the bottom border, but my eyes aren't so great.

Scott <=== starting new, vintage, this-board drama

If you have to go to an almost anonymous forum and tell everyone how good of a guy you are, you probably aren't.

So you do not say I'm hiding behind a keyboard:

Bill Holler
2401 E. Travis St
Marshall, TX 75672
https://www.facebook.com/bill.holler.5
Twitter: Bill_Holler73
www.maverickbowling.com
Kik.com: m_bowling

Here's a good bit of wisdom for Bobby (of course, not from me), especially given all the recent 'Hey, LOOK AT ME!' threads:

You are just an extra in everyone else's play

Of course, you probably have a more important role in your family member's individual plays, but that's really about it. If you disappeared from a forum, 99.9% of the members would forget about you within a couple of weeks.

My wife is from Naples TX.....we go through Marshall when we go to the boats. Also, I think we go there to see some pretty cool Christmas lights, sometimes, too. Nice neck of the Piney Woods......

Bill.....since you must throw stones, let's chunk a couple your way? Just why/how did you get kicked off the PSA boards again?

Not trying to be a smartass....I really don't know, and I would like to know.

I've heard rumors it involved a bogus autograph but I want to hear it from you.

Bill
 

Bill you moved since the big find or long Uhaul drive...You sure do look like Tickle from the TV show Moonshiners.

Bobby....In case you didnt get the drift from many other board members.....nobody wants to hear about crap that is spilling over from other boards. Why do you just take this to PM or better yet, Bill has given you his contact information. Call him and clear the air instead of clogging up these boards with this nonsense.

leon wont ever allow that ;)

psa 3

That Cobb looks better than most 4 or 5s even if it has a light crease
or any problem in the back the eye appeal is vey nice

Thank you very much. It truly is a beautiful card. I am considering crossing it over.

After a warning or two from Carol, i posted a picture of Craig from his Facebook profile ONLY after he did the same. I got banned, he didn't.

The ONE auto in question was a Wilt Chamberlain auto that was included in a medium size collection that I bought on the BST board on CU. It was pulled from eBay once I was informed of his questionable authenticity. Card was sent to PSA and deemed a fake and eventually destroyed by Mike Navarro at my request.

Anything else?

EDIT TO ADD: Yes I moved about 30 miles west from Shreveport. Bought a bowling and now live here in Marshall.

Leon I apologize for continuing this childish thread, but once again, my integrity was questioned. Stop by and say hello next time you pass through.

Is your card and i enjoy looking at it! and i think that is the important thing
that you enjoy and cherish it! i have something similar here it is;

WOW. 68 posts in less than 24 hours and "T206" was not even included in the title.......

Bobby- Just out of curiousity, are you looking to sell any T206s? Sorry Phil, I couldn't resist....:D

True, but we managed to sneak a few in there :D

Beautiful Cobb Steve !!! Love that card :)

Carry on folks....

Sincerely, Clayton

I have a couple. They look like they are cut funny, and I have no idea what to ask for them, as they aren't my area of expertise. Should I put them on the live auction thread?

No, you should study them intently for about three days - do nothing else other than eat and maybe some calisthenics. You can also take incoming calls, but only from family members.

I have no family, and I refuse to stare at a T206 that long. I will put them on Ebay...will send a link when I do.

I can't stop smiling :D

shhhh - he's off creating ebay listings.

Personally...along with the downfall of the PSA boards...I hope the downfall of PSA follows!!!!!:)

I dream of a world where we all buy and sell cards in top loaders.

...and sold to kids in a pack of cigarettes... Ah those were the days. ;)

Non-Troublemaking refuge here....Cheers! -Doug

Matt...those days are gone forever...I'd be very happy with accurate...unbiased grading myself!!!!!