T213 Coupons....
 

Having just finished a tiny trifecta with these red Cobby's lets see some T213s if you have them!! Special thanks to Kevin Struss for working out a deal with me for the type 2, to finish them. After missing the one in the last REA I patiently :) wanted to get it crossed off my list ....but to find a nice one is kind of tough.

http://luckeycards.com/pt213cobbmaster.jpg

T213
 

Here are some Wheats.

I'm looking for a Type 3 Evers

http://photos.imageevent.com/mhgt/ho...ers-Coupon.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/mhgt/ho...-2%20Evers.jpg

Here are all six Benders from type 2.
Andy

Nice trio Leon. Both Hofman's


http://i.imgur.com/HGnun.jpg

T213
 

Leon, I just noticed something different about the type 3 T213 I posted. On mine the factory information is right under the Collect Them with a line under the information. On yours and on all ones I looked at on ebay the information is about a quarter inch lower and under the line. What do you think?

A rarer overprint example.

"In some rare instances, this typography was “blacked out” by a bold black “OVERPRINT”, with a revised FACTORY No.8 DIST OF LA.” label printed directly above the black overprint. These “overprint” scarce subjects are virtually non-existent with advanced tobacco collectors actively seeking the few that do exist."

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=11039

T213 Wheat
 

Chris, thanks so much for that information. I had never paid much attention to the card until I compared it to Leons type 3. I looked at all 83 T213 type 3 listed on ebay and the 5 in the completed section and didnt find another one like mine. This board is great for answering questions and I really appreciate it.

Leon,
Nice Cobb run!!!

I have just one type example.
JimB

http://photos.imageevent.com/jimblum...0McEleveen.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/jimblum...pon%20back.jpg

I've got a few. Here's one...


http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/...QuinnBalto.jpg

How about Speaker?

Here are a few:

T206 Super-Prints / 1910 COUPON backs
 

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...poncobb50x.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...everschase.jpg
..http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...schase25xb.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...sedkcap38x.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...eCHASEx25b.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...nchance25x.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...chance25xb.jpg





TED Z

"Turkey" Donlin
 

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...nDonlin300.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...Donlin300b.jpg


TED Z

Overprint
 

Hi Kenny, your Type 3 overprint is quite a card. That has to be one of the toughest cards from a tough set. I noticed that the back of your card is OC top to bottom, as is the example in the Standard Catalog and also the example in Lew Lipset's book.

Rick

overprints
 

The overprints are very tough and do add a little premium to them, in my experience.

http://luckeycards.com/pt2133master.jpg

I just scored the T213 Walter Johnson (Type 2) with a double name (barely) printed at the top (Nap Lajoie) at the Brockelman & Luckey Auction. Don't have it in yet but here is a pic...

1910 Coupon (T213-1)
 

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...onMcIntyre.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...nMcIntyreb.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...ponhuggins.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...onhugginsb.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...willett25x.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...illett25xb.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...ponsummers.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...onsummersb.jpg


TED Z

My three 213-2's

I picked this one up recently from the BST board -- thanks Quan.

http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgall...20SGC%2030.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...type3chase.jpg.http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...pe3chasebk.jpg



TED Z

1910 - 1919 COUPON cards
 

...................... 1910 ........................................... 1915 ........................................... 1913 ........................................ 1919 .....................
http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...cleanchase.jpg
http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...leanchaseb.jpg




.................................................. .................................................. ............................................ circa 1915 ..............................................

.http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...xcoupon50x.jpg
http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...coupon50xb.jpg



NOTE.....Does anyone have any info regarding Schaefer being with K. C. of the Federal League (FL) ?

I know he played for Newark (FL) in 1915.....but, cannot find any info regarding him on K. C.


TED Z

Here's a Type 3 of WaJo:

Hey Val

Really great looking Johnson.



Hey guys, here's a challenge that you will find quite interesting....try putting together a 4-card sub-set of any of the 16 - Southern Association players
in the 1910 COUPON set that were printed with these four T-brand backs. Pick your favorite guy(s).....mine is Ted Breitenstein.


http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...inTchop50x.jpg

.http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...nTchop50xb.jpg


TED Z

My lone contribution...

http://packgeek.files.wordpress.com/...ker_double.jpg

Zimmermann Coupon
 

My only Coupon card:

http://www.t206blog.com/wp-content/u...ann-Coupon.jpg

I have a few-- I like this Mugsy:
http://photos.imageevent.com/imoverh...13-2mcgraw.jpg

"virtually non-existent"? No.
Much scarcer and tougher to find? Yes.
My T213-3 set had 12 overprinted factory backs including McGraw, Cobb, Bender, etc. with the rest the regular factory backs. All came from the same source.

Amazing cards everyone- thanks for posting those !!! This is a great thread. I don't have any T-213 Coupons but always enjoy looking at them, thanks.

Sincerely, Clayton

T213 Cy Barger Type 2

What a beauty Joe!

Some beaters
 

Some beaters

more
 

more

a couple more
 

a couple more

interesting to note that Jeff Sweeney appears in all 3 Coupon series. Here is a type 2 I got the other day...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/320992854307...84.ml497.12649

here are a few of my type I's.

Nice cards, Peter.

Y'all may have already gone over this, but by my count there are 19 subjects that have all three Coupon series backs. The 6 superprints and Byrne, Donovan, Doolan, Dubuc, Dunn, Huggins port and hm, Mowrey, Paskert, Jeff Sweeney, and Thomas. I do not have Gabby Street(so i don't know the Street variation in series 1 which comes in port and fielding in series 2 and 3)... edit to add Myers fielding

Sorry to be OT
 

Real curious about the louisiana find! Since I'm from La want to read up on it. Anyone have any info or know where i might can find some? Thanks BW

Here you go:

http://blog.robertedwardauctions.com/?p=310

Cheers,
Blair

Thanks for the link!

COUPON's
 

Let's see some more COUPON cards.....any kind.....depicted here is a Vaudeville and Movie star, George Beban.....circa 1915.



http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...orgeBebanb.jpg . http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...eorgeBeban.jpg



TED Z

One more:

Hi Ted
 

Hi Ted, I have been watching for one of these for the past couple of years but I haven't seen any on ebay. This is a T82 - Series of Movie Stars. Part of a 50 card set made somewhere between 1915 and 1920.

Thanks for posting it.

Rick

Heres my complete set of Chase's

Attachment 77273

As you know, the T82 (RECRUIT tobacco) Movie stars are fairly easy to find. But, their COUPON tobacco counterparts are tough.

The George Beban card is the only one I have, and is my type card.

Best regards,

TED Z

T213-3
 

A few other coupons. Always like the background color with the Cobby bat on and off..

Nashville Coupons..
 

A board member requested scans of Nashville CouponsAttachment 77800

Attachment 77801

Attachment 77802

Attachment 77803, so since I made them I thought I would also include them here..

My contribution
 

Bringing back this thread to share my one T213, bought it because it is a Pirates player(close enough) and because of the double-name up top. Schaefer KC. Back is miscut the same amount

.http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...xcoupon50x.jpg
http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...coupon50xb.jpg


Hey John

Here is the rest of the card above your Owen Wilson card.


TED Z

Attachment 78560

Attachment 78561


A couple of weeks ago I asked if the T213-1 Street was portrait or fielding. With lots of help I was able to see that it's the portrait.

Some belated contributions
 

Mostly rough and all shown here before, I believe

Camnitz (w/Bender) and Carey w/lots o' baggage

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x51/frohme/10767.jpg http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x51/frohme/10058.jpg

and Wilson (w/Wilson),
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x...e0ea8c-1-1.jpg

Attachment 78698

Attachment 78699

Mike that Carey is not that bad. The extra paper stuck to the back would probably soak right off.

Coupons...
 

Man, I am sorry I glossed over this thread and missed it... Think I will revive it from a few weeks ago. --- Rob - here are the other 2 Gabby's to go along with your Type 1 :

Attachment 80421



Jeremy, thanks for the Street port type 1. Also, I have updated the list of subjects that appear in all three coupon types to 21. Updated with Street port and Bender trees.

The Red Cross Byrne discussions caused me to take a closer look at Bobby's career...and also to look at my byrne coupons cards.

It seems byrnes left st louis early in his career...never to return...yet the type 3...supposedly dated 1919 lists him w/st louis. Not to mention he appears to have been long retired by then as well.

I know there are other examples of retired players included as well. Weird!

Peter

He did return to St Louis....owned a Bowling Alley there. It is reported that he once bowled 19 consecutive strikes, including a 300 game.

So, perhaps this earned Bobby a slot on a T213-3 card :)

TED Z

ha ha...thanx ted...sounds like he was a better bowler...than baller!!!!

Love the Type 1's
 

Let's see some more Type 1's..

here are some more!

So...Peter...
 

Peter - I never get tired of seeing that Reagan, even if it is a micro-scan !

Sorry...i havent figured out new scanner yet!!!

t213-1 Checklist update/correction
 

I was digging through my T213-1 collection to show this Jeff Sweeney back run, and I just realized that I do not have a Jeff Sweeney. I have a Bill Sweeney. Unless someone has a scan of a T213-1 Jeff Sweeney, I am assuming the sgc registry list as well as the latest SCD that I have, 2006, is incorrect.

I must amend what I said at the beginning of the thread about Jeff Sweeney appearing in all 3 Coupon sets. My list of subjects is now back down to 20 with all 3 backs.Attachment 80697

Attachment 80698

Attachment 80699

Attachment 80700

Attachment 80701

Attachment 80702

The 2011 SCD lists Jeff Sweeney as well, but it's Bill. A quick note to SGC and SCD should get the lists corrected.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-I...eeneyType1.jpg

Here's Bill's Type 2.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-a...eeneyType2.jpg

Lipset Encyclopedia has it correct
 

Tim, thanks for verifying this. I just looked in Lipset's Encyclopedia and he has Bill Sweeney listed correctly. No Jeff Sweeney.

Just Chase
 

Someone, anyone -- feel free to sell me a type 1 Chase.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/2910102410/" title="1914 Coupon Cigarettes T213-2 Portrait (Chicago) by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3117/2910102410_5b264ec81b_o.jpg" width="900" height="770" alt="1914 Coupon Cigarettes T213-2 Portrait (Chicago)"></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/8003599113/" title="1914 Coupon Cigarettes T213-2 Throwing (Buffalo) by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8300/8003599113_97bbb4c52f_o.jpg" width="848" height="685" alt="1914 Coupon Cigarettes T213-2 Throwing (Buffalo)"></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/6419135665/" title="1914 Coupon Cigarettes T213-2 Throwing (Chicago) by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7021/6419135665_f53e9bec84_o.jpg" width="999" height="803" alt="1914 Coupon Cigarettes T213-2 Throwing (Chicago)"></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/5343585290/" title="1914 Coupon Cigarettes T213-2 Holding Cup (Chicago) by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5003/5343585290_a7ca564376_o.jpg" width="900" height="728" alt="1914 Coupon Cigarettes T213-2 Holding Cup (Chicago)"></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/2909255695/" title="1919 Coupon Cigarettes T213-3 Portrait by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3206/2909255695_fee0865c2e_o.jpg" width="900" height="763" alt="1919 Coupon Cigarettes T213-3 Portrait"></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/2909256173/" title="1919 Coupon Cigarettes T213-3 Throwing by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3144/2909256173_de5936704d_o.jpg" width="900" height="734" alt="1919 Coupon Cigarettes T213-3 Throwing"></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/5905044073/" title="1919 Coupon Cigarettes T213-3 Holding Cup by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5275/5905044073_0504e61c27_o.jpg" width="968" height="810" alt="1919 Coupon Cigarettes T213-3 Holding Cup"></a>

Chase port
 

Attachment 80710

Attachment 80711

Attachment 80712

Attachment 80713

I have 1 for trade. I am going to put this over in my bst thread which has a trade-for list.

Can anything be deduced based on the differences in print quality between...say...t213-I's as compared to T213-2's...and the most washed out T213-3...and may as well add the t215-2's into the discussion? I just upgraded the t213-3(both are shown).

And a better scan!

T213 registration
 

Peter,

I agree that T213-3 usually has a more faded look than type 1 and 2. Type 2 can be less sharp when in lower grade, but in mid to high grade the type 2 Coupons have sharp registration

Attachment 81280

I agree! I have/have seen type 2's as vivid as t206...but most type 3's...as well as t216/d303/e106 tend to look fuzzy/washed out?!

Peter
 

My guess is that by 1919, the same printing plates that were used to print T206's approx. 10 years earlier were quite worn out by the time the T213-3
cards were printed.....hence, the "fuzzy/washed out" images.

What's your guess ?


TED Z

Raw materials
 

The decline of printing quality post WW 1 was partially due to raw materials coming over from Europe, and the many toxic elements contained in Victorian / Edwardian era inks which were being removed from that field.... Ted , much like running our cars ('60 T-Bird and '64 GTO) on 91 octane "premium" gas, when they were designed for 105 octane. Standing still they look the same, i.e. same pose.... But looking closer you see a shell of what was once there...i.e washed out image

Plates
 

I'd like to thank the hobby vets who help new collectors on here everyday. I have a question about the printing process. Scott B. mentioned recently that 150 series cards produce the best registration, because they are the earlier plates.

From this information I would assume that 150 series would command a huge premium in the way that earliest woodcuts command a premium.

upside down back
 

I didn't realize this had an upside down back when I bid on it.

rick...is it possible that byrne is rebacked?

yes it's two cards put together. please soak it, don't peel it off.

soaked t213-2 Davis
 

That card is already rough, so it doesn't matter, but my experience with soaking a t213-2 is that the front faded badly. I will post a scan of the card I soaked.

Attachment 85889Attachment 85890

T213
 

Yeah, but aren't you dying to know what player is on that other card?

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/8405095959/" title="1910 Coupon Cigarettes T213-1 Portrait by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8364/8405095959_05e047d505_c.jpg" width="800" height="673" alt="1910 Coupon Cigarettes T213-1 Portrait"></a>


<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/2910102410/" title="1914 Coupon Cigarettes T213-2 Portrait (Chicago) by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3117/2910102410_5b264ec81b_o.jpg" width="900" height="770" alt="1914 Coupon Cigarettes T213-2 Portrait (Chicago)"></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/2909255695/" title="1919 Coupon Cigarettes T213-3 Portrait by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3206/2909255695_fee0865c2e_o.jpg" width="900" height="763" alt="1919 Coupon Cigarettes T213-3 Portrait"></a>