Net54baseball- Game Used Forum? all sports?
 

Hey Guys and girls (not too many girls in the memorabilia space?),
Taking a cue from a member, would ya'll like to see a game used forum on this board? If there was one would it be all sports? (I would imagine so) I assume it would be vintage and new?
I/we haven't given it much thought but if there are members who would like a place on this board to talk about that aspect of the hobby, it's at least worth a friendly debate. Maybe there are mine fields I am unaware of MORE than what I am accustomed to in the card and autograph fields? At any rate it's always good to hear a few points of view.

I vote YES on that forum. Especially since Game used universe it seems doesn't take new members.

Don't really collect any GU stuff. Don't see any negative about it (adding a forum).
Would be interested to get better versed w/o having to join/participate in a GU specific forum.

Would work for me Leon.:D:D

I'm for it as I dabble in all areas. The more information out there the better as I see it. I would open it up to all sports.

I would be interested in visiting this thread.

I think it would add more members here, specially when GUU has been having problems of working several times the last couple months, key members have also been banned or pretty much pushed away.

I vote YES too.... I would love an original photography subcategory as well. A rather large percentage of monthly pickups are indeed photos. I have been asked by members and non-members if there was a forum for just photos to learn from and socialize. I think the addition of the GU and a separation of photos in a subcategory would bring more definition/organization and members to the board..

I hope (but maybe not) that would fall under this memorabilia section. Pretty soon there won't be anything so general as "memorabilia" for this section :).

Yes pls !
 

A yes from me as well!

Yes, there is a need!

I was suggesting a sub cat within the memorabilia section much like the autographs.

"I would prefer not to"
 

I suppose that I am in the minority, since I would prefer that Net54Baseball have one memorabilia forum devoted to baseball memorabilia. If there were to be an all sports, game used memorabilia forum, it would mean that those of us who collect game used baseball material would have to rub elbows with the rakes and hooligans who collect modern college football jerseys rather than the fine people who collect vintage baseball pennants and photos.

I too think it's a great idea, but would like to see it be for vintage items, say pre-1980. Game Used Universe is primarily for people collecting new shiny game used stuff.

Greg

Yes, agree there is a need.

not too bright
 

What makes one assume that "other" means new or college items ? I have over 100 years of soccer memorabilia. I have shared it with a few forums that enjoyed it.

Just to be clear, I collected all the stuff that I see here in the baseball world and then sold it off because i "had already done it."

I sold off a super NFL football collection too. If no one is interested, I respect that. But ignrance should not be the prohibitive reason. I like all sports history. As far as I am concerned, no one is forced to look at any thread if its not in their interest.

I vote yes.

PS - there is a good reason that Game Used Universe has lost so many members, but I will leave that for others to comment.

I am sure that you love soccer, football, and many other things. But I don't, and always found it tedious to wade through the many non-baseball threads over at Game Used Universe. If Leon wants to add a forum or a couple dozen, that's fine with me. I am just afraid that adding a new game used forum would mean that people like me who enjoy game used baseball material feel would be unwelcome in this good, old baseball memorabilia forum.

I'd like to see (1) A game used forum for bats.
(2) A game used forum for other Baseball (Jerseys, Gloves, etc.)
(3) Other sports

Can be divided into Vintage/ Non Vintage or not.

Would prefer keeping the Baseball items separate.

Thanks

I think it would be great. Even with the game used forum have a classified and wanted section so guys can buy and sell there stuff. The problem with Game Used Universe website there classified section is limited to selling up to 500.00 which I could never understand and questioned them about it and eventually my post was removed and never got a straight answer. With the prices of GU stuff it's hard to sell anything for under 500.00. Just think of the high end items guys would want to sell they can't over there so collectors are missing out on some nice high end items and have to resort to Ebay or auction houses with there 20% BP. Just a thought.

GUU has been dieing a slow death ever since the braintrust chased away many knowledgeable members. Some of those members deserved to go, but not the members who brought a lot to the table.

I think it would be great if you could attract those old GUU knowledgeable members. I would also like to see the content limited to 1980 or before. The game used stuff from the last twenty years is so readily avialable and easy to get that it's not very collectable.

A gu area is fine and dandy, but just remember that gu topics can be more contentious than autographs.

Is that possible? :eek:

I think 1980-85 would be a good cutoff. Definitely don't want to look at a ton of modern day jerseys and especially bats.

Would be great

As long as it's moderated. Tons of fakes out there and the threads do get very ugly.

Ok. Sure. I just went to GUU after the previous thread and it's down again! :eek:

branching out the general memorabilia section more and more is risky, autographs branched out, fine. there is still enough in the general memorabilia section to keep some posts current and people posting, but if branching out to gu and photographs and left handed socks worn by hof'ers, you risk on gutting it too much, and if people see that the last post on a forum was from three days ago, then they stop clicking on that forum altogether.

Don't worry. Leon said that Net54 is investing in a fire hose in case any of the threads get too out of hand.

Actually, much of the fire and heat in the gu discussions is due to the topics often being about fakes and forgeries being offered by outside auction houses and dealers. I think the GUU posters themselves are generally quite reasonable and even keel. I think there are more characters in the Net54 autograph forum :)

I'd like to see a GU Forum.

yes

This is starting to get worse than Ebay - Whatever happened to "NET54"... I don't know - Bells, Whistles, Flashing Lights, Smileys & I still like "Base Ball" - Go figure? It is always exciting to read "You should post this in the (fill in the blank) forum - next time read the rules before posting" then a follow up post "Sorry about that will do better next time" Newbie etc.

Any advertisers to be had with a GU Forum?

Dilution is really not my thing, but I am good at diluting water.

I agree with this general sentiment and even commented about it in my last post. I think each change has taken into account the dynamics of the board. The last one, separating the autographs, seems to have gone fine. The post-war side of the board is fine though some of the lesser forums don't get posts for a few days. Still, it's not too bad. I wouldn't want a main forum to be too inactive. I think consolidating to have more posts in "a" forum is better. That being said, when I look at the amount of game used discussion we have, it is negligible. As was said in the very first post, this discussion is exactly what was intended. Thanks to everyone who has given an opinion so far. Also, if this new forum (on here) does get done, we will also break out the autograph forum into a main header icon, as previously discussed.
Keeping the number of icons across the top of each page the same, this (below) is what I sent to our techy guy, Brian M., yesterday....to start discussion on some changes.....the icons/forums from left to right (on each page as they are now) would potentially be-

Net54 Form Homepage – Pre-WWII Baseball cards
Buy/Sell/Trade
Memorabilia
Game Used
Autographs
Post War/Watercooler
Vintage Links
Rules/Detection/Archives


Nothing is set in stone yet. Also, I could see potentially splitting up the Game Used into modern and vintage. Just like any board decision, there is 0 possibility of making everyone happy. The goal is to make the majority happy while still having a nice, safe place to discuss different parts of our hobby. An analogy might be asking folks what they like better, chocolate or vanilla. With that question you will not get a 100% agreement. Same idea for this proposed change. Thanks for everyone's thoughts so far.

It looks like the direction of the board, as it matures and gets larger, is to create more specific areas of discussion. I guess the key is to make sure there will be enough activity to justify a new forum. In the case of game used equipment, I'm sure there is. I love to discuss vintage baseball books, but if that had its own section it might get 2 or 3 threads a month, so I would not lobby for it.

It would be great to have a place for the knowledgeable former members of GUU (or those who simply do not post any longer) to have a place to chat. But if it devolves into what GUU has become, a place for little discussion and lots of show and tell threads about modern equipment, then don't bother.

Be prepared for ego and conflict management though. As a whole game used collectors are without a doubt the most spiteful group of collectors out there.

Yikes.....certainly some thoughts to consider....

Come on Leon- spiteful groups create some great train wrecks. And who doesn't like a good train wreck?:)

I recommend shelving the Game Used category for now. I don't see the demand for a breakout. Less to click on too.

You don't see the demand yet you are in the minority. I guess I wouldn't see the demand if I were in the minority either. You either didn't read the rest of this thread or just want to say "no", which is everyone's prerogative.

BTW, there is also a chance we could just add a sub-forum to the memorabilia forum....such as we did for the autographs....

No
 

I say no to the change, especially if the format is as it is listed above. I think separating things out just fragments the board more without a specific need.

While I disagree with what happened to the autograph section for multiple reasons, I do understand why many wanted it. The constant fighting between a few members created a hostile atmosphere, which many wanted to avoid. I still think it's easier to not click on a thread that annoys you than it is to go to a new category, but that decision is already done. I will say that since the change, one of the things that I do notice, is that there seems to be less traffic from many people who I used to see post occasionally about autographs, as well as the other stuff.

In this case, is there really a NEED for a new category? Are there so many posts about GU that they bother those who don't collect that stuff? No. Are the people who collect GU on this forum fighting all the time as to create a negative atmosphere? No. Is there something about current format that is preventing those who collect GU from posting? I don't think so.

For me, I like to see everything. I read most of the threads on the board, at least initially, to see if it interests me. Would I make the effort to go to a separate GU forum? Probably not. Especially if I had to wade through a lot of new stuff. I think this is similar to what I noted above about less different people posting about autographs.

I guess my point is that I see this board as a sort of family. Most families have good times and bad. Many many fights and reconciliations. IMHO, more separation leads to less interaction, less unity, and less enjoyment. If autos had been separate when I joined, I don't know if I would've been influenced by Jimmy(kingofclout), David Atkatz, Ben(Forever Young), and a host of others who spurred on my interest in vintage photography collecting. I learned, enjoyed, and met so many more nice people than I would've had it all been separate. That benefit far outweighs any negatives.

Sorry, Leon. One last point.
If you do decide to do this, I would suggest you keep autographs, GU, and any others that come up, as a sub-forum of the memorabilia section. All these things should be grouped together, as they are specific foci of memorabilia collecting.

(Cool. I got to use the word FOCI in a post. Sorry I am easily amused.)

Best,
Mark

Good thoughts Mark...and they are appreciated. The reason that the autograph section isn't as active as it was might be that a few of the folks left....because people were badmouthing what they were trying to do. It happens. I do agree, as I have said all along, I would prefer fewer sections with more threads than more sections with less threads. Still, nothing is set in stone and the debate continues. I do think there is somewhat of a need for a GU forum here but maybe a sub-forum, such as the autograph forum, would do the trick.

And whomever made the comment about advertising.. ....I honestly didn't think of that but if there were another advertiser or two, it wouldn't hurt my feelings.

That is not exactly what I meant.
I meant that when everything was combined, many who don't collect autographs would still see the items and often comment. Sometimes those comments would enhance the enjoyment and understanding of that item, even if it wasn't autograph specific. There are even less "Good Job", "Great Pickup", and "Congrats" replies being posted on both monthly pickup threads.

And you will have quite a few people say they started posting again because a lot of the negativity was coming from the autograph threads and now they like it better.
It's really choosing what is best for the forum as there is never a perfect answer. There actually can't be a perfect answer.

I know. I know.
Thanks for hearing me out.
Keep up the good work.

Game Used would fit in to the normal memorabilia area. Autographs in theory would too. Autographs was moved because it dominated the memorabilia section and deserved its on section. we don't know how popular the gu section would be here, so it's hard to say that it should have its on section versus is part of the old memorabilia section.

If it proves to be a daily popular topic on Net54, like autographs is here, then I'd vote it's reasonable for it to have its on section. There are a lot of collectors who specialize in game used.

Leon,
To clarify...I was agreeing with Travis in post #27. I enjoy the mix of topics in the current Memorabilia section. When autographs seemed to dominate, you broke them out into the sub-forum. Good idea.

I just don't see the volume of game used threads to necessitate another breakout (IMO). That's why I recommended shelving for now.
John

And my rebuttal to that is,.......according to what I have read here, if we build it they will (might?) come. :) ......At this point I am leaning towards a sub-forum in the memorabilia section for GU but of course still just taking it all in. Right now there are almost 0 GU threads on this whole board. It would be difficult to have less.

Game used
 

Leon...... I believe that there are many, many game worn collectors.... As you know there are specialists who could add a great deal to the forum....There is so much to know.....This category has great potential for growth if specialists would get involved.......Also who doesn't have an old wool or flannel to show and learn more about? The categories could be pre1988 or so (before multible uniforms were issued in most pro sports) and after...Again I think the potential is there why not give it 6 months and see if it will grow? I would hope that the "inner circle" of old time collectors gets involved.....

GU
 

Leon,
I agree with you that it should be a seperate sub-forum just like autographs are now. I have absolutely no problem with having a GU forum on the board but if what I am reading did become true that alot of the reason the GU board is failing now is because of the arguements that have occured and driven away the good posters ,isnt that really what happened to our memorabilia form after (some of) the autograph people decided to use it as their personal battle ground? Hasnt it been much better to let them have their say in their own forum so if a member wishes he or she doesnt even have to go to that section if one wishes not to? If we did learn one lesson here that was a good model to compare why it would be a good idea. I know for a fact that the autograph arguements were why alot of good posters stopped posting anymore. I for one was one of them. Simply got tired of all the B.S. But as they say its yours to do what you feel is best. Thought I would throw my nickel in.;)

Al,
It was more certain mods pushing the better posters away and not arguments between collectors.

Hello everyone,

This is my first post. Long time reader of the forum, glad to be a part of it now. I would like to see a game used section but like many others have said before me, I think it should be pre 1980 or 1985. More of a vintage game used forum. That's just my two cents. Looking forward to being a part of the forum here!

GU
 

Brock,
You are probably right but with this forum I believe our Moderators will always be on top of it more as has been already seen I.E. locking threads,ban a member if its getting to out of hand etc. I also believe our moderators dont have an ax to grind when it comes to GU items. All I was asking is Do make it a Sub-Forum so the problem (if one occurs) or arguements dont have to get people involved if one wishes just to stick to their items that they have a passion for.

Hello
 

Vintageyankees welcome to the forum.;);)

That would be the biggest reason I could think of for adding a GU section to the existing board. Especially if the current preferred gathering place (GUU) is not accepting new registrants or shedding large numbers active posters. There will always be inner circles and exclusive groups of experienced collectors telling war stories and hoarding knowledge, but there needs to also be a place for the less-experienced to gather, ask questions, and build their base of knowledge so that someday they too can be considered experienced collectors. Hopefully there will also be a number of the experienced collectors chiming in with the correct answers to the newbie questions, but before that can happen, there needs to be a place for the questions to be asked.

Whether/how to split the subforum between current and vintage GU items could be the first topic of discussion (and first argument-starter :) ).

I am obviously shooting in the dark here but from what I have been reading there might be a Pre-1990 section and a Post-1990 section? A generation is generally considered 20 yrs so the vintage would be at least a generation old. Just a thought but I will leave it up to the folks that will be participating to give some guidance on sub'ing the sub-forum, if it's instituted.

I love the G/U idea and would fully support it. Just FWIW, here are my votes...

Create a Game-Used Forum - YES
Make it a sub-forum - YES
Split the sub-forum between Modern and Vintage - YES

The only area in which I might differ is the timing of the Modern and Vintage cut-off period. I believe that pre-1980 and post 1980 would be the most logical split. Perhaps Leon can conduct a poll (once the initial feedback is digested).

Thanks for the opportunity to comment!

Agreed (on your argument-starter comment :) ). I would love to see a separate GU forum for new stuff, like jerseys and bats, simply to get that stuff out of the memorabilia discussions so that it would not clutter up the vintage.

I vote no. I fail to see the relevance of a sports memorabilia message board having a forum about Georgetown University.

:D

Vintage Game Used Uniforms
 

I believe that any and all efforts to create and maintain forums or venues for the responsible and informed discussion of vintage game used uniforms should be encouraged.

Dave Grob
DaveGrob1@aol.com

I am a new Net54 member who has been active on GameUsedUniverse for many years (username "Matt"). I would love to see a gameused section here as though I love GUU, the topics lean heavily to modern players on that site. I have focused my collecting on vintage game used items the last few years and would think that Net54 is a natural place for more discussions of this type.

There is much to discuss and learn as collectors try to understand the proper tagging and branding of vintage jerseys and bats, and the stakes are often quite high as we consider players like Williams, Robinson, Mays, etc. Often I have found enlightening, alternate images from period memoriabilia which reveal bat types, uniform construction, etc.

Thanks,
Matt Miller

I am for the subforum idea...I have no opinion on a split of that forum and think it should be left to a vote of people who will participate there.

I don't have a problem having it for all years. Non gu people may not realize a genuine gu Brett Favre jersey or Peyton Manning helmet is limited in population to rare. Modern doesn't automatically mean plentiful and mass produced.

Also, the vintage stuff may be too limited in population (active auctions) to fill an entire section.

Just my thoughts, not my rules.

Thanks for the feedback Dave. I think what is going to happen is we are going to make a Game Used sub-forum under our memorabilia forum umbrella. And under the game used sub forum we are going to have vintage and new. Vintage will be pre-1980 and new will be 1980 - newer. Those are the cut offs for many of the card venues so it makes sense to do it with those years. Also, that seems to be in keeping with the prevailing thoughts I have read. The icon that now says "Memorabilia Forum" will be changed.......it will say "Memorabilia" then right under that it will say "Autographs" and right under that it will say "Game Used". If we take out the word "forum" then we are only adding one additional word. If I don't hear of any major complaints or issues then that will be done in the next few days. This solution seems like a good middle ground to not totally break out separate forums while addressing the vintage vs new dilemma.

Again, I realize this won't please everyone. Several folks don't want the section at all. Most folks do want it. In each of the other things we have done on the board, in the way of changes, there have been very few negatives come about from them. I believe this will be the same....but am open to hearing other views before we institute it. I wouldn't ever want this place to become stagnant. I don't think it has....

Dan- edited to add....>I was typing while you were. If you want to do a poll of the GU forum years in sub forums that is fine. Makes no difference to me. I am one of those that will make a decision instead of waiting for someone else to :). I didn't mean to step on your toes.

Game Used forum
 

This cannot be an easy decision. Not everyone will be pleased with it.

However, I am sure the best interest of the forum will be the ultimate factor.

It is understandable that a collector wishes to show off their newly acquired or long kept memorabilia. if we keep in mind the overall benefit of posting these objects, it will yield better return in interest, answers and knowledge.

I would caution that keeping the posts limited to one sport or one category will diminish participation (as Leon mentioned) and the end to an active discussion.

The constant emphasis of "how much is it worth" was part of the ruin of Game Used Universe. I would hope that senior members here would encourage learning and value based on other principles.

Good luck.

I think it could be a great addition, but it has to be vintage. Take a look at GUU. Half the posts are guys showing off another Robinson Cano or Joey Votto bat that was used two weeks prior. It seems like 95% or more of the posts on GUU relate to stuff that has been used within the past 10 years. Modern stuff would really clog up an otherwise great idea.

Precisely why the proposal being seriously looked at, and probably instituted in the next 48 hours, is to split the Game Used section between pre-1980 and 1980 & newer. So far I see, and have heard, no real downside to giving it a try. If it gets a few more folks interested in other aspects of our hobby it would be great. Also, as said many times, there is quite a bit of cross-pollination (if you will) in our sports hobbies. Still listening.....

If 1980 is the cut-off, you'll have durene jerseys being posted with the modern stuff. That's just wrong. I vote for a 1990 cut-off. :)

Yes!

Interesting, the variety of proposed cut-off dates. To pre-war vintage collectors, even the stuff from the '80s might be considered uninteresting.

I guess some (most?) memorabilia collectors collect by 'type', as opposed to era, and 'vintage' doesn't mean the same thing as it does for card collectors...except for me and a few others.

Scott -- 1980 is a common cutoff for bat collectors, because that's when H&B changed its labeling to the "modern" center brand.

Greg

so
 

So now there are Game Used portions of the board. There is also a Game Used BST forum. We can change the dating of each forum if and when that is required. Hopefully this will expand the forum in a positive fashion. Of course the same anonymity, privacy and all other rules apply to those sections as the rest of Net54baseball. Also, those Game Used areas will be for all sports not just baseball, as are some of the other forums (especially the memorabilia one). I have asked Brian M. to make a wording change to the Memorabilia icon on each page to include the words Autograph and Game Used.....so folks will know. Hopefully this will enhance the board in a positive manner and get more folks to collecting different areas of our hobby. best regards


ps....this thread was copied over from the Memorabilia forum so more members can see the changes being made.

Rumor has it that the game used crowd can get a bit cantankerous...let's see how it goes.

That's why I've marked through the autographs on all my game-used stuff.

Do bullies collect game used?

What if "Game Used" and "Autographs" were subsections under "Memorabilia"?

edited to add: I didn't realize there was a 2nd page to the thread and ya'll were already considering the sub-sections. I'll mind my own business now and return to the card section :)