Vintage Tickets - 1895 Omahogs Baseball - Value & Grading Advice Requested...
 

A friend of mine bought a bounded pack of 22 season tickets for the 1895 Omaha, NE Omahogs (see the pics below) recently from an estate sale for $400. The tickets are binded in a leather-like casing and appear to be a excellent condition. My friend does not know what he has here and is seeking information & advice from the message board in order to determine his next move.

Note: We are not a ticket collectors and know next to nothing about ticket grading, collecting, and market pricing. I think he has made out here, but I want to give him the best advice to move forward. His goal is to maximize resale value. His questions are...

1. Are these old baseball tickets rare? If so, in raw condition, what are they worth as single tickets or as a binded bunch?

2. Would you recommend he get these tickets graded by PSA? If so, should he detach each of the 22 tickets and submit as singles or leave everything together in the binding to submit as a pack of tickets? He wants to maximize resale value here.

3. Is there a real market for vintage tickets? If he wants to trade or resell, where should he go (other than Ebay)?

Thank you for your support. We look forward to getting your advice.

Meatloaf

Here is a link for information on the baseball club from 1895:
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First of all, I am not a ticket expert, maybe someone who is on here will chime in with regard to value.

But I can answer some other questions.

1. First of all, I would leave the booklet alone. I would not detach the tickets. It will hold more value as a complete booklet. If a buyer wants to detach the tickets themselves, let them make that decision.

2. I would not submit the booklet (or individual tickets) to a grading service. I don't think that there is a need for that at all and would not add to any re-sale value.

3. I don't know how rare they are, but I assume this is quite rare in this non-detached state.

4. I would consign them to a major auction house where they can confirm the items authenticity on their own.

You will get potential buyers from several different genres. First from baseball ticket collectors, second from Omaha Omahogs collectors, and also from minor league baseball collectors, etc., etc.

WOW

Being from Omaha I havn't seen any these before on the market. Any OmaHog baseball items a very hard to come across.

I will ask some of my friends in town and try to get you as much info as I can.

I would think the true value wuld be NOT parting something like that out and selling in a major sports auction. I'm sure you will get a lot of info and feedback on these from this board.

Ed (the owner of this booklet) called me yesterday...I told him NOT to tear those tickets out and I don't believe he will...that is one awesome ticket booklet.

Do not- repeat- do not tear this book apart and send the individual tickets to PSA. You're destroying a piece of history, and PSA knows nothing about them. What's the point of having them graded? It's a very nice piece, there are many advanced regional collectors who would love to have them, and they would keep them intact. Please don't destroy the book.

Thanks to all the advice so far. Ed listed them on Ebay as a booklet. PSA will only accept the tickets for grading as singles. So he has decided not to detach them. We will see where this goes. Ed is a great American and I hope he makes out on this. I really no zilch about tickets. I hope he finds the right market for them...I don't think ebay may be the answer. Meatloaf

"The first ticket in the booklet shows a little discoloration from being next to the cover for 116 years, but is still gradable. Many local and national authorities have looked at these tickets and mostly all of them suggest leaving them in the book, but that they could all be removed and graded."

Meatloaf, your buddy sure is fixated on the idea of having these graded. Better watch him!

Incidentally, I think the other guys on the board were right in advising him to go with a major auction house over listing the book on eBay. For one thing, you've got competition now:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from...All-Categories

Yes, you are 100% right! I think this is a test to see if anyone bites. However, it may cost him if they are worth more than $5k. Great advice here, TYVM. Meatloaf

Well, this is interesting..I wonder how many were found in this estate?

I wish I new! I wish it was me! Meatloaf

I can promise you that each ticket is worth more than the $3-whatever that was paid for them.

Really great graphics on the tickets too. Many old tickets are plain. Those are beauts.

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I am late to the game contributing to this thread, but I just returned from a long business trip.

I'm a vintage baseball ticket guy of over 39 years, but I can't recall ever seeing any of these 1895 Omahog tickets or ticket books in my past. I whole-heartedly agree with some of the posts, i.e. to:

1) Leave the ticket booklet intact!!
2) Do not spend money to PSA grade tickets that are certainly self- explanatory given the context of the entire booklet
3) Graphics are both unusual, vintage and very cool!

That being said, placing a value on an item such as this is not easy given that is both scarce and may have a fairly narrow collector base. If this were a ticket book from the same vintage, but let's say a National League team, my gut is that this could possibly bring $2,000- $3,000 in an auction. If I were a collector of all things Omahogs, I could see paying perhaps $1,000- $1500 in a major auction. Like all things in an auction setting, you have to have multiple bidders participate in order to get top dollar. Most collectors would have difficulty trying to determine value.

I hope you find this helpful. No matter what, the booklet is a fantastic find and thanks for posting pictures! :D

After viewing Lance's link there is another ticket book available (#77), The OP's friend is #89.
Who knows, there could be multiples out there, so I'd wait to see what some have traded for.
Book #77 on eBay starts the bidding at $500 (w/ no bids as of now)
Book #89 had a Buy It Now at $5,000, and is no longer listed.

The guy who listed the $500 book says he has multiples...how many? Who knows? An entire box full of these things may have been found..Omaha had troubles that year and moved mid-season to Denver. I think they're extremely cool, but since Omaha is not my main focus I'll wait for the law of diminishing returns to set in.

Sent in the book to be graded. Below is a list of grades and scans of the pics. Probably going to sell some via ebay, others via a high end auction house, and keep the rest. PM if you want more info...

Submitted on 1/10/12 under the 20 day estimated service level. Popped moments ago (2/24/12). A bit overdue, but worth the wait. About what I expected. May be of interest for vintage ticket collectors. Great grades for 117 years old!!!!

Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
1 1 19993032 NEAR MINT 7 1895 OMAHA BASE BALL & ATHLETIC ASS'N-FULL FULL OMAHA OMAHOGS GRAND STAND Ticket
1 2 19993033 NEAR MINT 7 1895 OMAHA BASE BALL & ATHLETIC ASS'N-FULL FULL OMAHA OMAHOGS GRAND STAND Ticket
1 3 19993034 NEAR MINT 7 1895 OMAHA BASE BALL & ATHLETIC ASS'N-FULL FULL OMAHA OMAHOGS GRAND STAND Ticket
1 4 19993035 NEAR MINT 7 1895 OMAHA BASE BALL & ATHLETIC ASS'N-FULL FULL OMAHA OMAHOGS GRAND STAND Ticket
1 5 19993036 NEAR MINT 7 1895 OMAHA BASE BALL & ATHLETIC ASS'N-FULL FULL OMAHA OMAHOGS GRAND STAND Ticket
1 6 19993037 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1895 OMAHA BASE BALL & ATHLETIC ASS'N-FULL FULL OMAHA OMAHOGS GRAND STAND Ticket
1 7 19993038 NEAR MINT 7 1895 OMAHA BASE BALL & ATHLETIC ASS'N-FULL FULL OMAHA OMAHOGS GRAND STAND Ticket
1 8 19993039 NEAR MINT 7 1895 OMAHA BASE BALL & ATHLETIC ASS'N-FULL FULL OMAHA OMAHOGS GRAND STAND Ticket
1 9 19993040 NEAR MINT 7 1895 OMAHA BASE BALL & ATHLETIC ASS'N-FULL FULL OMAHA OMAHOGS GRAND STAND Ticket
1 10 19993041 NEAR MINT 7 1895 OMAHA BASE BALL & ATHLETIC ASS'N-FULL FULL OMAHA OMAHOGS GRAND STAND Ticket
1 11 19993042 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1895 OMAHA BASE BALL & ATHLETIC ASS'N-FULL FULL OMAHA OMAHOGS GRAND STAND Ticket
1 12 19993043 NEAR MINT 7 1895 OMAHA BASE BALL & ATHLETIC ASS'N-FULL FULL OMAHA OMAHOGS GRAND STAND Ticket
1 13 19993044 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1895 OMAHA BASE BALL & ATHLETIC ASS'N-FULL FULL OMAHA OMAHOGS GRAND STAND Ticket
1 14 19993045 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1895 OMAHA BASE BALL & ATHLETIC ASS'N-FULL FULL OMAHA OMAHOGS GRAND STAND Ticket
1 15 19993046 NEAR MINT 7 1895 OMAHA BASE BALL & ATHLETIC ASS'N-FULL FULL OMAHA OMAHOGS GRAND STAND Ticket
1 16 19993047 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1895 OMAHA BASE BALL & ATHLETIC ASS'N-FULL FULL OMAHA OMAHOGS GRAND STAND Ticket
1 17 19993048 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1895 OMAHA BASE BALL & ATHLETIC ASS'N-FULL FULL OMAHA OMAHOGS GRAND STAND Ticket
1 18 19993049 NEAR MINT 7 1895 OMAHA BASE BALL & ATHLETIC ASS'N-FULL FULL OMAHA OMAHOGS GRAND STAND Ticket
1 19 19993050 NEAR MINT 7 1895 OMAHA BASE BALL & ATHLETIC ASS'N-FULL FULL OMAHA OMAHOGS GRAND STAND Ticket
1 20 19993051 NEAR MINT 7 1895 OMAHA BASE BALL & ATHLETIC ASS'N-FULL FULL OMAHA OMAHOGS GRAND STAND ticket

So despite all the advice you received, you tore the book apart anyhow. What a shame.

Very sad indeed.

You actually probably reduced the grade in the process of tearing them out of the book (small creases where you grabbed and where it tore). Also, now that there are 20 individual tickets versus 1 booklet makes them that much less rare and unappealing.

He's has one ticket on eBay with a BIN of something like $5,000.
Give me a break! Good luck "Meatloaf"! :eek: :p

What a freaking waste.

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actually it's a BIN at $9999.99 OBO......sad on multiple levels....


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1895-Basebal...-/320858311150



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Looks like one word here GREED.:( But hay I guess we all have a little of that in all of us. But just a little.;);)

"It comes encapsulated/sealed and has only seen one owner: Me."

How old are you?

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The book as a whole was great, as individual tickets just another collectible. There might be a few regional collectors that would have interest, but IMO there is little historical value other than age to appeal to a broad group of collectors.

Jeff

On the CU forum, I asked why the tickets were split up, and he said he kept one book together and split up the other.

So does that mean there were TWO books of these which were found??

Can you say Omahog? :p

Pathetic.

I own both books. Graded one; kept the other intact.

Yes.

Ok, breaking up the booklet aside.
I think the tickets are great looking, Im just curious what you believe a reasonable offer is? I saw your ticket pop up in my ebay search list (before I saw these threads) and immediately moved on as it is way out of my realm for a single ticket.

I could see asking 3,4, even $500 for this ticket, but how did you come up with $10K (especially since you told us what you paid for all the tickets)?

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Meatloaf- here's what troubles me:

I don't care that you are asking 10K for the ticket; that's between you and a potential buyer and it's not my business. But you describe it as super rare and that it would be the cornerstone of a collection. What you leave out is that you have a total of forty tickets, and that they originated from what can be considered a hoard found in 2011 (and there may have been more than two books found, I don't know).

Since any 19th century baseball ticket can be considered rare, the fact that there are forty or more of these now makes them rather common. Don't you feel an obligation to share this information in your description? Shouldn't a buyer make an educated decision based on the information known about it? Seems like calling it super rare is too much of an ethical stretch.

I agree with Scotty, they are nice tickets, but with 2 full booklets and many graded there is no scarcity. IMO, the price is at best a hundred to a few hundred each...spaced out over time so that they don't pop up on completed eBay searches.

Jeff

Sure, will do. I have it on ebay only to find out what people are willing to pay. The beauty of BIN/OBO is that I can set the price super high and see where the mean offers fall. More than likely I am going to send some of the tickets off to a high end auction house and let them take care of it. So they will provide the details on how they were obtained, total #, etc. I really don't care if it fails to sell on ebay. My game is gauging a price before choosing an auction house. I will hold onto the rest. So 40 exist...but only a hand full shall come up for sale. I read there are a lot of people judging me. That is fine. I love America and freedom of speech. I am not a scam artist and I don't collect for a living. It is a side hobby and also a side business, in which I have done well with my model. If others are critical of it, no problem.

From your feedback, auction content updated. Like I said before, not my game to sell it via Fee-bay. Gauging the price. Thanks.

Thanks.

Don't ya just love a guy who has made 20 or so posts, most offering sale items, none of which really gave advice, who comes on the board, asks for advice and then totally ignores the advice and destroys a true rarity.
Also tends to cast a cloud over the story of "doing this for a friend."

If you had the ticket for $750 BIN OBO, you may get a better sense of the true value. I would maybe offer you $200 with that BIN, but would not offer you $200 with a $10K bin. Of course, you may get lucky and find the one person willing to pay $750 or more.

Now the real question...are you lucky enough to find two people willing to pay?

I guess that is the $10k question.

Maybe he is friends with himself?


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+1000

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Meatloaf,
As a business man I can totally understand what you are trying to do. I guess we have to look at it as if we were in your shoes. Taking away the collector part of the equation(that is in most of us on this board) and looking at it more as a monitary model. But I guess the difference with me is what would be a fair price for the tickets. I dont believe 10,000 is that number. As most of the members have stated with your grading costs 250-600 at the max end? You said yourself your friend paid 400 for the book of 22 tickets. That comes to 18.18 each. Regardless of the fact of breaking up the book (you could have come on and told us that you found 22 loose tickets really doesnt matter) As a business man if you sold all 22 at lets say 300 each thats 6600 dollars. 500 would be 11,000. In this economy that would be a excellent return on your money. And also knowing that you have another book. Maybe you should have kept that info to yourself for awhile. But bottom line is I think you are getting caught up in the moment and not looking at it in real terms. either way once you pass you lets say 1000 (cost of the book and grading costs) you still stand to make a nice profit. Good luck with your endevor but dont be surprised if your lofty numbers are just that .

A local collector and I are in on them together.

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Richard,
In all fairness dont autograph guys take documents and autograph pages and cut them up? (and Im not saying thats right) Isnt that destroying little pieces of history also?
Food for thought also here is he has stated that he had 2 books of tickets wouldnt that now make the other booklet more valuable?

Thanks for the solid advice. I got nothing to hide. I paid what I paid. many good points here. Thank you.

It appears I have offended the crowd on these boards. I shall just step away and move on. Thank you for your words. Semper Fi

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Alex,
Stick around and dont worry about offending anyone here. Believe me when it comes to questions like yours around here you must have a thick skin . When there is blood in the water sharks tend to bite a little around here!:D:D

Thanks, Al. I just don't like stirring the pot. I love the words. Very insightful. I am not a vintage collector. I do mostly modern autos. I actually don't collect much anymore. I am in the military and focus on my work. I am selling off my collection in order to reinvest into my home (NE) and cabin (NC). However, I go in on investment opportunities with buddies from time to time, such as this.

Alex

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Alex,
No problem. You came on and asked for advice. (I guess thats where some people have a problem) You deceided not to take it and break up the book. (Thats fine its yours to do what you wish with) Who are we to judge. If you make 20,000 or 2000 you made the choice and now stick with it. You might want to try an auction house with a few and see where it goes,might get lucky but to me as a business model put a fair price on them sell 20 keep 2 and take the profit and do another deal.

Yeah, I am looking at Probstein123, Memory Lane, REA, Heritage, etc. I want to make sure it is worth it before committing. I need to do more investigation.

Any recommendations for vintage auctions houses that have a combination of the following: high hammer prices, low consignment % or fees, and quick/painless payment?

Alex

Hi Devildog, thanks for your service. Im in the Army and work the same way, keep the collection low and make money when you can.

Ive never sold with any of those auctions, but as a ticket collector I will tell you that my favorite auctions to buy from are: Legendary and Lelands. They have a wide array of "non-cards" items that draws a wide viewership from people that buy those items. Others may disagree with me, but Ive spent more money at Leland on items than I would on eBay due to the rarity and the fact that I was buying quality. If Lelands or Legendary tells me something is rare, it goes further than if someone on eBay tells me the same thing.

TY. Taking a look at them now!

The only people I know now who take documents and cut them up are the imbecilic and greedy card companies. Some dealers will cut up an autograph page to separate the autographs and though I don't do something like that myself I don't think it is as egregious as what the card companies are doing.

I agree with that Richard.
As for the tickets to me at least Alex (and I dont know him at all) in my opinion will end up making at least 22 possible people happy instead of one if he left the book intact. Remember there is still one complete book intact that we know of. And who is to say that if he did sell the book intact that the person who bought it wouldnt do the exact same thing that he is doing! In my opinion I dont think having them graded will make any difference in price being a 6 or an 8 or a 10. The tickets are what they are,and I really have no problem in what he did. Others may disagree but how many times have we all seen great collections broken up! Leon as a type collector wouldnt you agree I would rather have one of the tickets than have to try and buy the whole book and maybe not get it at all. Just my thoughts.

Yes and no, Al. I guess since he has another whole book it's not so bad. However, that being said, I have had a lot of uncut pre-war strips, of which there are plenty more of,......and I know cutting them up and grading them I could have got more money for them, but I could just never do it. I don't know what it is but I just can't cut up these 50-125 yrs old pieces of history. Now, I have had a few really crappy looking scrapbooks with fairly valuable cards or stamps in them and those I have cut up. But the scrapbooks were really bad looking and rotting. They had no aesthetic or historical value. For those kinds of things I have no issue cutting them up, but for these whole, nice looking treasures, I just can't bring myself to do it.

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Leon,
I would agree with you on the strip cards. Cards in general on sheets I myself wouldnt cut up. Funny there is another post about to cut up or not cut up that Bowman card sheets. (See I wouldnt either) but as for these tickets they were meant to be sold out of the book. Arguement is Alex didnt have to tell us that they were in a booklet. Like i said up one of my upper posts they could have been loose, and what if he had said I have all of the tickets from a booklet (loose) and I still have the booklet also that they came in. Would have been a different story. To me I would rather own one than none in this case. Like I said just my feelings!

Not to hijack the thread (I can start a new one, if that's better), but what about old autograph books? Someone mentioned it earlier, I think. But what's the general opinion on cutting those up?

I found a really neat autograph book at an estate sale that contains mostly boxers. It dates to the 1940s and 1950s and has 70 to 80 signatures in it, including Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano, along with Marcel Cerdan, the boxer killed in the plane crash who was Edith Piaf's lover. (Apparently, a fairly rare signature.) Trouble is, it also has some basketball signatures, and even an old Bob Feller. So different collectors would be interested in different signatures.

Would people go nuts if I cut it up and sold the signatures individually? Each signature is on a separate page and the owner -- who I"m guessing stood outside Madison Square Garden over and over through the years -- wrote a little commentary about each boxer/player on the back of the page. It's neat to read his opinions on the guys. The book does have some historical value/charm as a piece, but in the end, I'd like to maximize my money. I'm torn (so to speak) about tearing it up. What are the various opinions on this practice? I know it's done all the time.
Thanks.
Rob

With regard to Alex's question about which major auction house to consign these tickets, I have to say I don't think the individual ones are valuable enough to qualify, unless you consign them all as a group...in which case you could have left the book intact.

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Barry,
I agree some of the auction houses wouldnt want this item I.E. Rea I would believe Rob would deem it to small. But remember he still has a book intact and could try it complete in a major auction house if he wanted to.

I think REA's deadline has already passed, at least for the printed catalog. He usually has an added internet section however.

I believe your right!

I know the guy who really owns these tickets..his name is Ed. I do not know this poster, but I do know that he lists stuff all the time for Ed. I talked to him at the antique show this weekend and he told me that he tore a booklet up and sent them to PSA. I was disappointed to hear this, but it's not my book.

I also know that there is at least one more booklet out there.

Diving in here on this post. I have thick skin, but want to challenge your information.

-Correct on the status of other booklet; we bought it at the same time as we sent the tickets into PSA for grading. The 2nd booklet is intact and in better condition than the booklet we split up. There is no intention to split the 2nd book up.

-Correct on, "I do not know this poster." I have never met you and have no interest in antiquities, so I will probably never meet you.

-Incorrect on my listing activities. Outside of these tickets (which is a joint venture), I have never listed anything for Ed on any auction site or other market. I don't do consignments nor list other individuals' items for any reason. I have assisted Ed many times in card grading with regard to PSA and BGS order submissions (piggy backing on my specials) and appraisals of modern memorabilia he finds at random. Additionally, I have assisted him in the authentication of rare items and many autographs.

-Incorrect on ownership status. Ed had external financing from other parties during the purchases and grading; these parties have possession of the graded tickets and are charged with seeking the return on the investment. His money did not buy all of the tickets nor pay for grading. However, he does have a nice investment here with others and did work hard to buy the tickets. Also, he did not send the tickets into PSA for grading. He does not have a PSA account (though one is not required) and did not pay for the grading fees.

-Not trying to play, "I know more than you," but I wanted to set the record straight. Ed is on vacation at the moment (you probably know where). If you have concerns about my status in this venture or my posts, PM me and I shall give you my cell to talk it over.

Currently working with Lelands and Legendary to try to find an auction home for the tickets. Thanks to the forum members for this advice.

Alex, I only know what Ed tells me...I may have you mixed up with some other guy that lists for him on ebay though. He is constantly wheeling and dealing. And I do know for a fact there were at least three booklets floating around when these were first found...I would not be surprised if more were found...I know the guy that found them is out at the Waverly auction almost every week. I could just ask him, but I'm not sure he'd tell me.

It's cool. Ed is a nice guy, but can be distracted sometimes. it is all good.

+1 Leon

As a collector, I can appreciate having a book intact. But from a business and benefit to the hobby perspective I would have sold one book in a major auction, then broke the other up and sold them as singles. This would accomplish two things:

1st It would maximize generation of cash. There is no way these would fail to bring $200-$500 each (more than 40 collectors would want these) and who knows what the book would bring.

2nd This way you would be putting really really rare and nice pieces in the hands of far more collectors.

Why should the one big spender get all the goods? It's like when you see all five spalding trophies sell in a lot. They NEVER bring close to what they would have sold for as singles, and now the collector who just wants to own one (and only has the resources to buy one) is left out. I love knowing that someone who really appreciates a piece has an opportunity to acquire it without breaking the bank.

One thing he should have done was leave ONE ticket in the book he broke up. That piece alone would go for significantly more than any single out of the book.

One big difference between the trophy lot scenario you're presenting and these ticket books is that you wouldn't have to break the trophies into pieces to sell them separately. The idea that breaking something up so that more collectors can get a piece of the action may make sense monetarily, but I think it's rarely "good for the hobby." I'm not talking about breaking up a card set or piecing out a trophy or pin or whatever else collection of individual items. I'm referring more to the cutting up an uncut card sheet, opening an old pack of cards, removing something from a blister pack, chopping up a jersey/bat/ball, etc. Actions that cannot be undone.

With the case of this ticket book, you can argue whether it makes sense monetarily, or whether it really matters because the tickets were intended to be removed anyway, or how many more people get to enjoy the tickets now that they are not bound in their original booklet. What you cannot do, however, is return them to their original state. You can reassemble a collection of anything, but this is one collectible that cannot be put back together.

Would I have done the same thing if I were in the owner's shoes? I honestly can't say for sure one way or the other, and I'm sure personal finances would weigh heavily on that decision. Being a collector at heart though, making that decision to break up the book would sadden me, even if it did make the most monetary sense.

Think of it this way. If he didn't break up the book, only two people on the planet could have an example of this piece and they would likely only look at one ticket, the front one when they display it. The other 39 would probably never be seen again. This way 41 people can enjoy the tickets.

Lance perhaps I didn't make my point clearly with my initial post. Your comparison with smashing trophies and cutting up jerseys is an entirely different kettle of fish and not at all what I trying to communicate. The practice of destroying something and selling off bits that look NOTHING like the original is horrible. My analogy was all about collectors having an opportunity to enjoy a rare piece of memorabilia. If he found a box of tickets already detached we wouldn't be lamenting the fact that they weren't in the original book. We would all be celbrating the "find" and lining up to buy them (if the asking price wasn't completely INSANE like what he is asking). If he found a box of cut up jersey bits or smashed trophies we would be sad. See the difference Lance?

I completely see the point regarding keeping it original, I'm just offering a potential upside to the collecting community as a whole.

Yes, I do see a difference between cutting up a jersey and parting out the ticket book. I also see a difference between the ticket book and splitting up a trophy collection. To me, the ticket book is somewhere in the middle.

Part of the attraction to me of items like this is the wonder I feel that the tickets were not torn out of the books back in the day, and have survived intact to the present day despite the original intent of their manufacture being to have been torn out of the book and used by attendees of the games. It's the same feeling I would have about an unopened pack of 1952 Topps cards, action figures still in their original package, a case of vintage baseballs sealed in their original boxes, etc etc etc. Would any of those things be enjoyable out of their original packaging or if they had been used as intended by their respective manufacturers? Sure. But to me, there is a certain mystique that comes with something that was once meant to be used and thrown away surviving for over 100 years completely intact and unaltered from its original state.

You are clearly taking the stance that the more people that can enjoy something the better, which is a valid viewpoint, but doesn't diminish the sadness that those who would prefer to see the item intact feel when they hear of it being broken up like this. To some, knowing that a bit of history exists wholly intact, whether it's in our own collection or not, is more satisfying than owning a piece of it.

Good points Lance. Wow...we got a lot of mileage out of this post didn't we:)

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Lance,
Sorry but this hasnt been a hobby now for over 20 years. If there is money to be made somewhere somehow it will be done. Fake cards,autographs,jerseys,you name it. At least this isnt an attempt at that. It from my stand point yes a way to make money. (still yet to be proven) Have to sell them first. But an honest attempt. Still has one full book that Alex says isnt going to be broken up,so it still can be seen if an intact booklet is more valuabe than the broken up booklet. Either way good for collectors and good for them being found and put back in circulation.

If it's not a hobby any more (and there are many, many collectors who would dispute that), I think you've pretty much summarized why.

I've said my piece. No more opining, gotta get back to WORK :rolleyes:

just reading through this thread for the first time.

scratching my head.


why would anyone rip out tickets from a beautiful clean book?
wow!

There are at least four of these booklets from the original find...I talked to the guy who found them today at an auction. When I told him I knew of three he told me there are "at least four" and he smiled. I think there are more of them.

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Dan,
If there are really that many now around,and like you say there could be more ,I start to find it hard graded or un graded that the market will be able to support more than 100 dollars for a ticket. Like I stated in the above posts put a fair price on them sell them and move on to the next deal.

I'm a buyer for one of the full tickets at $100....

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Scott,
Well maybe 200:D

Meatloaf better unload these before someone else does;) If there are more books out there, the supply will exceed the demand.

If there are truly 4 booklets of +/- 20 of them, then the value of the tickets will diminish rapidly, if and when they all come out (depending if they too are torn out of the booklets). Once the demand by the collectors is satisfied, and then only the flippers are buying, the values will be quite low imo....I am one of those flippers, and with plenty on the market, I am a buyer in the $20 range :).