Is anyone else getting sick of the constant BS in listings?
 

Here's a "high end" PSA 5 and the opportunity to 'steal' this card. Only problem is you can barely make out the image on the card which, to some people other than Ray Charles, might be important.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1887-N172-Old-Ju...#ht_500wt_1357

Can I make a suggestion to the sellers who can't control themselves with their obvious lies, their misleading comments about value, prior sales, etc. -- get a f%$#@g job.

Plus it is miscut - the right border is not straight.

Pete now might be a good time to jump in...Are you out there?

I took off the high end, sorry guys. I was a little surprised it got a 5 too. I got it at a good price though.

I wouldn't look twice at that card....something listed at that price MUST have great photos of the item.

I knew I'd seen that card somewhere before. It's in the B/S/T for $6000. I don't really see anything wrong with the listing. However, if you've got a BIN of $8,200, it might not be the best idea to say that it "has and SMR of $4000" in the listing. Also, as it was earlier pointed out, it does look miscut. Appearances can be deceiving though..

shouldn't it be in the ebay section in the B/S/T?

I think he's trying to sell it in both places. Thus the lower price here. Net54 discount.

well
 

It is.









now

I never started this listing aka I only posted it in the B/S/T. It's not Calvindogs card obviously

also, card would look better in a BVG holder.

I think he might've had it in the right place. He was trying to sell it on Net54, and not link it to the ebay auction...

I didn't list it with the ebay listing.

exactly.

Jeff you must stop using Hal Lewis tactics to beat sellers down on price. Shame on you.

Whats the SMR on a BVG 5?

Peter,

That was pretty funny. It made me laugh out loud after a not so fun day.

Kenny

well
 

Certainly nothing personal but when I clicked on the link it went to ebay....so that is why I moved it.

And I might add I just went back and put it back in the 19th century category. It was Jeff's link I clicked on :(. My apology.

I appreciate it Leon

"Wright is commonly referred to as the "Grandfather of professional baseball" as he brought us the overhand pitch back in the 1800's."

Huh? Where did this come from?

You know it goes both ways. As a seller I would be rich if I got a penny for every buyer who said my item was over graded and not worth crap and then offered me half of what I wanted.

Sure at some point talking up a card gets silly, but as a seller aren't you SUPPOSED to talk up your product :-)

That being said not sure why you would like a lower SMR price when you want almost double for the card. Usually that goes the other way and SMR is usually way off, seems in this case they are way low...

James G

Hi Jay, no overhand pitch, but found this :


"It was there where he is credited with introducing innovations such as backing up infield plays from the outfield and shifting defensive alignments based on hitters' tendencies"

Joe

Joe-I know Wright did a lot of things, just not what this guy stated.

I always loved the "it's graded x , but you can send it in to be regraded and it'll surely get a higher grade"

I am so glad my eBay selling days are behind me. I felt like a dirty 80's dealer hawking 50 ct lots of Cory Snyder by the end.

That's just asking for a negative when it doesn't.:eek:

Odd...

Let's ease up on Pete here. He's a first rate kind of guy and hasnt told any lies. He's just trying to sell a card. When you try and sell something, you always try and build it up to potential buyers.

Direct quote from the site

" Many of Wright’s innovative ideas still exist today including pre-game practice, a live cork centered baseball, and, most important, overhand pitching"

Why would I lie about that?

Have I stumbled onto some sort of time vortex??? This thread reminds me of the good old days on Net54 when any post would lead to inflammatory dialogue and ultimately demerits, suspensions, lost friends, and creation of new pre-war forum websites. I'm as nostalgic as the next guy, but hopefully this thread will die a quick death.

Lovely day...

Gotta love Cory Snyder...His '85 Olympic card was one of my favorites growing up. It's virtually worthless, but I still love it for sentimental reasons..

My favorite worthless card is 1989 upper deck
Jerome Walton. They were actually selling for $12
When they first came out and my old man wouldn't let me have one.
I was 8 so there was nothing I could do about it.
Junior Felix was the man too.

a quick ps, I had no issue at all with the original.
You gotta write something in the description on eBay so you might
As well pitch the card as best you can.

Iggy
 

I agree with Iggy. Almost makes me wish for Peter Chao to liven up the board again. Naaahhh.

Pete-What site was that from? Harry Wright didn't innitiate overhand pitching.

Same here. I had a stack of them as a teenager. Thought he was gonna be better then McGwire LOL!!

Plus he played for the Waterbury Indians, whose Stadium I could actually see from my grandmothers house.

So the seller took erroneous information from Goodwin's site, and used it for his sale. Why not use a primary source to see what Harry Wright's actual contributions to baseball were?

Also see that card has become a lot more valuable since the auction closed. Must be inflation.

Barry-That's hilarious! When I first read the description my reaction was to think of Goodwin Auction descriptions, the only place where I recall seeing inaccuracies like that. I didn't realize that the description WAS lifted from a Goodwin Auction description.

It should be listed as the "Ghost of Harry Wright" variety. You can't see him, but you can feel his presence, kinda.

OJ grading
 

I know this is off the subject of the OP, but once again, this card brings to light how ridiculous the grading scale is for OJs. This bugs me more than inflated descriptions. Yes, I know this issue has been raised before. I would pay more for a PSA 1 with a clear and rich image than for a seriously faded PSA 5. If that card was little more than a blank piece of cardboard, yet barely identifiable as Wright, it would have probably gotten the same grade.

When I originally saw the description on ebay, the overhand thing didn't even register with me. I couldn't seem to get past the mention of the $4000 SMR while trying to sell the card for $8200.

Jay- well of course that brings us to the topic of grading, and how a card with that light a photo should never be a 5 under any circumstances. But that's for another thread.

Sorry Pete... You paid too much for that card.

I'm glad I bought most of my cards before QE2.

Wow, tough crowd today. A little far fetched description and price but you guys are brutal!:D It's his card he can ask what he wants.

I love all the chatter on here.

If the card is a steal at $8200 what was it when it was bought a week ago for $2991? A Ponzi scheme?

I just talked to Harry Wright's ghost image and he said "make a profit pete". True story.

like
 

I wish there was a "like" option for comments.

...I love this forum...

No Kidding
 

No kidding. I haven't seen a thread this juvenile in a while. :mad:

no matter what the smr is...

I "see" Jeff's initial, comically well-put point, but hype is and always has been part of the game, especially in all fields of collectibles. Just check out Barrett-Jackson's classic car auctions. Each of us just has to decide for ourselves just what is the sizzle and what is the steak in any given case, with no ill will intended towards Pete in this regard at all. Most of us here are pretty good at doing that. Plus we're big boys now, and we've had extensive discussions on eye appeal versus technical grade, and we pretty much agree on the importance of the former.

May those items that you pull the trigger on fill your heart with joy for years to come.

Best, guys,

Larry

Chao sure did "spice" up the board in the old days though.

To be completely honest, i just recently found Net54 and began lurking here, right around the same time that Peter became a member and started posting (i believe that was back sometime around the winter of 2007 or so) and he got me coming back to Net54 every few hours, just to see what he was gonna post next, lol.:o

I do realize this is an old post, but I just had to rekindle it with this gem:

CLICK HERE TO GASP...

I mean, "breathtaking"? HAHAHA. What is this, Gone With the Wind?

There seems to be a ring of eBay sellers who have been doing this. All their cards are raw and all are "STUNNING!!!" "PERFECT CENTERING!!!!!" "BREATHTAKING!!!!!!"

i hear you, Calvin!
 

i know what you mean Calvindog! As for me, I try to put forward an honest description so that the buyer and myself know the real score.
Hang in there and dont let it get you down! You are a great guy and I am proud to know you from here and i enjoy our friendship. I keep saying it, but it's true: The greatest members of our hobby are the members of our 54 group!
Your Friend,
Bill Hedin

+1. Agree 100% with you.

That is some great centering...haha!!!

Flooding ebay with 300 of these listed individually is really annoying.

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqQOKps...kvG0w~~_12.JPG

LINK

Don't forget these straight out of Net 54s BST, from a seller that knew nothing about them a week earlier.

"(A card in this shape is shocking)"

"(another relatively insane card)"

Lee

I just checked, he must have been posting them as you posted on here. He now has 1500 of them up. Wow.

It could be worse, they could all have a wheat penny in them!

Of course Ray Charles couldn't see it He's blind AND dead.:D

Or they could be photo's of corned beef hash..

Jesus H.

I was wondering if you had any cards that are actually cool? Like do you have any with guys with massive afros? I do. Do you have any with players with a floating eyeball? I do. I just scored a Dick Williams card that has such sharp edges that you could slice a pepperoni log so thin that you could read the paper through it. Think my collection tops yours. WIN for Fripples.

What are you talking about Fripples?

Fripples
 

I just had a very nice chat with Fripples. Fripples is a very educated adult that enjoys the hobby and especially the artwork on our gems. As a matter of fact, with a PHD in Middle Eastern studies (she'll kill me for letting that out), I told Fripples she might have some interests in common with Jim B. And of course Fripples has Lichtman to blame for enjoying the hobby. Isn't he always at fault :)? Fripples seems like a blast of person.....very upbeat!!

I thought that post above was a bit odd too....but it's all in fun.

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I found Fripples posts to be a bit odd, both of them. Glad to see they were tongue in cheek. Tone is always tough to pick up on the board. I just thought that Fripples took some of that bad acid that's going around.

Errrm I suspect if you put Fripples and Jim B in the same room only one will get out alive -- and it wouldn't be Jim B.

I believe Leon confused the East with the Middle East.:o

yeap
 

I think I got my wires crossed....You and Jeff are probably correct. I better go back into my hole again. Fripples seems very cool though.....and Jim B. is one of my favorite people in the hobby.

All the makings of an international incident.:)

The stuff that is learned on this forum is just amazing. I've lived my entire life up to now and had virtually no idea that the word "fripples" even existed. The fact that fripples is always plural, well.....that just boggles my mind.

Lovely Day...

LOLOLOLOLOL yes, exactly. This is what happens when you let a guy from Texas be in charge. One minor error over a few letters and we have WWIII.

Not to defend the people at Please Submit Again or Slippery Gasket Creators but I always wonder whether a card with a very faint image is as bad as it is when we see it because of the wear and tear of being exposed to light in dealer(s) inventory after being slabbed.

Almost surely no in the case of Old Judges. There is a decline curve for photo fading and most of it takes place fairly early in the photo's life (about 100 years ago). Unless the dealer's case is at an outside mall this is not an issue.

Probably not when they have had it less than 24 hours before putting it for sale... :)

But only after publicly announcing it as their favorite card in their collection, one which they will never sell. At least for an hour.

Ivy League....not
 

Yes, my community college education is showing through again......"strategery".......