Collecting Around The Fringes: T206
 

As my devotion to autographed T206 cards grows larger by the day, it has near fully eclipsed my interest in collecting anything else, including unsigned T206 cards. I have noticed that a lot of people collect T206 "around the fringes." I am not talking about tobacco brand back collectors, or pose collectors, or team, or Hall of Fame, collectors, etc. I am talking about the stamped, printer freak, scrap, etc. collectors -- people who are devoted to their T206 collections, but their cards are not as they were or what you would have expected to pull from a pack of cigarettes or scrap tobacco back in 1909-11.

In short, show your T206 collection "around the fringes". I'll start with my latest and greatest addition to my signed T206 collection:

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t206 "niche" collecting
 

Paul,

You collect these just like me.....that is a really sweet auto;) i respect your endeavor! not many understand your passion, alot of us on the board will:D
thanks for the email, and i'm glad you enjoy my collection:)

here is my latest that i am super proud of, i was like a kid waiting for my mail, and please excuse those who i have emailed this to today:o

i call this..."myers leaving body".........has all the characteristics of a "typical yellow/brown" but not the typical sweet cap 350-460 back, and the myers image is just blazn'......

I enjoy the freakshow,

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c327/oche16/G2.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c327/oche16/G2bk.jpg

Hey Johnny,
What few oddities I've had seem to be with you now. I still want my Magee back some day.:)

T206 Freaks
 

Mike,

u feed my addiction!!LOL:D i was looking for a scan of mr. magee;) looking for parent, stahl blank back scans.....did i pick up a fact 42 from u also???

Here are some of my "fringe" T206!

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A few more.

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t206 yellow brown
 

HTBB

HOLY CRAP!!:eek:

AWESOME!!!!:D

I LOVE THE KNIGHT!!!I have the other Matty twin:)

Awesome collection:)

MRVSTER, Thanks. How about showing the Matty Twin? Mike

t206 Matty / Konetchy twins
 

HTBB,

Here are the long lost cousinsLOL....my Matty has been thru WWIII , but i still love it!! email me;)

t206 cousins
 

:D

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I have let a few go but still own most and several other not pictured

Jim
 

JIM

:eek:

OMG!

your a sick man!:D

Jim,

Good idea you've got there ... scanning cards that you own and then keeping the scans even after you've traded or sold the cards. A fine way to keep a record of front/back combos, etc.

Nice Uzits.

Rob

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Jim,
That is jaw-dropping!
JimB

Hi Jim,
Stop hoarding all of the rare backs....
Be well Brian


PS Go clean all of the fish Jimmy Jr caught.....

Common Theme
 

One of the common themes in all of these fringe T206 collections is that condition is totally irrelevant. Sure, you'd like the cards to shine, but getting a card that satisfies the extremely narrow and bizarre collector requirements is far more important. Condition becomes totally irrelevant.

Rob

scanning the cards is so easy there is no reason not to. weather it is 10 or 75.


Jim & Brian

thanks and we went fishing in Delaware this morning but the wind was so strong we could barely fish but it was the same result I caught 2 fish and Jim was in double digits with 3 16 inch crappies and 1 3lb bass.

Wouldn't it be nice to be on the hoarding show laying in a room full of rare backs with no where to move but your little living space. I think its like that at B's house. Golf balls and rare backs.:D:D:D

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1 more for the hoarders
 

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Cincinnati "whites" - all missing red ink.

http://www.jimonym.com/Cin.jpg

Jim R

Thanks for the display.

Frank

Howe McCormick... Where are you? :)

Anybody else collect unusual stamps on the backs of T206 cards?

Love this thread.....
 

I don't have anything in the same league as what's been shown, but just wanted to say that you all have some awesome cards !!! Love the missing ink cards- those are great !!!

Best I have are a few ink transfers (wet sheet transfers) and some ink shifts- but IMO not in the same league as these. Love those tough back runs too, and who wouldn't love signed T206's ?!? Amazing stuff you guys.......thanks for showing these cards.

Sincerely, Clayton

Paul
 

WOW!!

:D

Paul, i love this thread!!!

Clayton
 

In my opinion it is in the same league and would love to see them. I really like the yellow/brown scrap, signed cards, wet transfers and any others that are shared. I could look at this stuff all day. It is cool to see what each member has to add. Nothing too small or too large

thanks to all for sharing

Thanks Jim-

I'm pretty sure you've seen these before. I'll use my old digital camera photo's on a few, they show it better. The Chase is an odd transfer- I know EPDG was printed 1909-1911,,1911 being Sov.460...so not sure if this was from ALC or just had an EPDG card on top of this at some point with a level of moisture? Some time down the road I plan on trying to do an experiment with two raw T206's and moisture over time to see if this would really happen.

The Blackburne's kinda weak, just a slight color shift. The Hannifan, don't know if this bled through or is a transfer.

One more.....
 

Got this one from Tony A. (thanks again Tony!!)-it has a very strong Tolstoi transfer...

Nice cards everyone.

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...p%20Murphy.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...ize/schlei.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...ack%20t206.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...lfCANI0V4X.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...nt%20150mc.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...50miscut_1.jpg
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t206 rossman
 

JOHN!!

i'm glad i didn't bid up that rossman on you!!if i did't get myers, mr. rossman was next!

CONGRATS!!

great card.....:D

Like wise I was giving the eyeball to that Meyers! We need to link our computers so it's like a bad iPhone that way we can see where everyone is. LOL

Great cards.

Cheers,

John

t206
 

John!!

LOL!! we are on the same wavelength! thanks:D, it must have been fate....i love the wagner no ink, i was eyeing that up from dan for a while;)

rea is looking bleek to me now!

Peace

Johnny

T206 wet transfers clayton
 

Clayton!

Those are some sweet wet sheet transfers....thanks for posting:)if that sov 460 w/ the el principe de gales was occurred at factory, you will have an absolute GEM! nice card there Clayton if its not stacked due to "moisture", but not sure how to test that....let us know if u do that experiment, i'm interested...
;)
Johnny

Howe is currently out of town on business
 

Will be Stuck In Omaha again starting Thursday morning. Will try and post something when I return. Thanks, Paul.

Thanks Johnny- not sure how to test it either, don't want to do it with any of the raw cards I have now,, maybe down the line get a couple of real beat up cards, get them a little wet and let them sit on top of each other for some time? Don't really know how else to try it. Thanks for the nice words, I really enjoyed your cards also...you must have a very unique and awesome collection.

Sincerely, Clayton

Clayton
 

Sounds good, try it out!:D

thanks for the kind words....send me an email, i'll send u some more pics...;)

Regular moisture shouldn't cause a transfer. Lithographic inks are oil based so they won't be affected by moisture. Some sort of oil based solvent would be needed.

I've become extremely leery of transfers, especially any involving black ink. I recently bought a couple items- Card proofs of stamps from the 1880's- neither of them had any transfers. When they arrived from the UK having been shipped together in the same inner envelope the black one had left a very solid transfer on the other one. So the ink hadn't actually dried in roughly 130 years!

The printing process was different, but the ink used was also oil based. Lithography uses less ink than engraving, but all that will likely be needed to produce a transfer of a black back is pressure and a bit of time. And since the base of the inks is probably the same, it should work for other colors as well.

Steve B

Thanks Steve, I know you know your printing and appreciate your input on this. I also remember when you posted about the stamp situation.

I have a question- if a card came into contact with an oil based solvent, wouldn't there be some type of obvious staining on the card (from the solvent)? Also, wouldn't it do some type of damage or smearing to the front of the card that the transfer is on?

I'm just wondering if I took a T206 and placed it on top of a white sheet of paper with a little weight on it, say for a week or two, do you think I'd have a light print from the back on the white sheet of paper?

Sorry for all the questions- I appreciate the help.

Sincerely, Clayton

Its not an obsession, really...
 

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Unfortunately, the backs are in reverse order. Took the easy way out of just flipping the pages in the scanner

Nice Ed. They look pretty cool all lined up together.

Its more a compulsion ...
 

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This gets to just short of halfway through the ones I've gotten so far. Getting funny looks from the boss who knows I'm getting nothing done today, so probably should stop for now....

Really, it is an addiction ...
 

Last two.

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Ed, is that two Foster Hindus, nice.

Hi there,

I collect T206s with any period back stamp on them. In particular I am always on the lookout for the purple number back stamps like the one you see in my avatar. I don't come across them very often, but thanks to several fellow collectors on the board I have been able to add some to my collection.

Ted Z added the Hindu backed example a while back and I am very thankful for that one.

I am also working on a project documenting as many different back stamps as I can. If you click the link in my signature you can see the project. I haven't updated it in some time but I do have a lot of images that I have to load to the site. It's finding the time to do it that is the problem.

Most of the purple number stamped cards are mine, but not all of them.

I hope you enjoy and maybe some of you can help me with the project sometime.

Best,

AndyH

Here's one for you. The front is Tom Jones, St. Louis Browns

Heck, I'll even take them if they're signed by their widows...

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I had a team set of T206 Highlanders that I tried to get as many different backs as possible. None of these cards are still mine except one. This is one collection I wish I would have not sold.
http://s168.photobucket.com/albums/u...20Highlanders/

t206 signed by wives.....
 

PAUL!!:D

thats awesome;)

Just got them today. Originally from the Jeff Morey collection. Jane Mathewson and Blanche McGraw. Morey recalled seeing them sitting with Mrs. Gehrig at the Otesaga Hotel in Cooperstown during the Hall of Fame weekend. Cool stuff....

beautiful team set there, thanks for sharing.

cfc1909 -- similar to the reactions of others, my jaw hit the floor when I saw your collection of UZITs. unbelievable. similarly with the other rare backs in your later posts. kudos.

thanks to all for sharing these collections of T206s oddities and passions. I'm still more in realm of collecting "regular" T206s, but you've given me new thoughts...

--S

What does the stamp read? can't make it out from the scans. just curious. impressive volume and variety, must have taken quite the effort I can only imagine.
thanks,
--S

The stamp is of Howe McCormick, 500 W. Main St., Gainesville, Fla. I've got 169 in my collection now (waiting for delivery of #170 in the next couple of days) and know of 29 others. Posted here is about the clearest of the stamps on any of the cards ...

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Started four years ago this month. Never imagained that a 14 to 17 year old could have collected that many and have that many survive 100 years later....

I am sure you often consider just how big young Howe's collection was at its apex. What do you think? Can you extrapolate from the 199 you know of that you're only scratching the surface -- say 10%? Or do you think you're much further along than that?

t206
 

Ed,

That collection is really neat;)

Johnny

How many must Howe have had?
 

Paul, I try not to think about how many he must have started with.

At right at 200 I know exist now, I'm guessing (and this is a SWAG, nothing done truly mathematically) that he must have had over a thousand. You figure over the course of 100 years, some must have been recycled during paper drives during World Wars I and II, some that survived that are bound to have been tossed by mothers who were cleaning the house while son was at college or after he was married, etc. Surely some where just tossed because whoever had them got tired of them and didn't know what else to do with them.

I do wonder at times if he still have the bulk of the collection by the time he was married and started his family? He and his wife had one child, a daughter, who never married (or at least no records of that) and who died just 10 years after he did. So did she get the collection at his death, and then it was dispersed at the time of her death, or had he gotten rid of most or all of them by the time he was a young family man?

So many questions and no one left who knows the answer. Part of the fun is never knowing if I'll have the complete collection. At least one new one seems to show up every month. Guess that could go on for a long time.

Thanks, Johnny.

Double names are my weakness
 

I have a fondness for T206s with double names or full name on top. I'm fairly picky about the "quality" of the miscut. Thanks to Tim, Johnny, Jason, Jerry and others who have helped me pick up some nice cards along the way.

Here are a few of my favorites:
Chase/Zimmermann........................................ ............................ Cobb Bat On
http://www.sgccardregistry.com/cards/us192852.jpghttp://www.sgccardregistry.com/cards/us186568.jpg

Moriarty.......................................... ......................................... Stephens
http://www.sgccardregistry.com/cards/us192854.jpghttp://www.sgccardregistry.com/cards/us190040.jpg

what the heck
 

What the heck (now shown 1,347,288 times)....I don't collect T206 in particular but do like oddities and backs....and I am sure there were over/under bets on how long it would take me to show these, so didn't want to disappoint :p.

T206
 

LEON:D

YOU JUST GAVE ME MY FIX!!!:)
YES!!

MY MATTY AND MULTI!!;)

Please(please, please) leave me the mullaney in your will if you go before me?????????????????:D........I love the Matty also, it's a tie, but i know John loves the Matty also, so i'll bow down and humbly accept the Multi-strike:D:D:

I will never get sick of seeing those two cards, actually , the matty is going on my desktop!! b.l. 460 is insane ! and also the rest , drum , hindy tuf combo!.......;)


I really love this thread as you can tell, i even scored the Knight;), THANKS MIKE!!!!!:D

Erick,

your collection is looking sweet.....i will always help with that;)

Peace

v

Hi Jaybird,

Thanks for the image. I have one image of another of these stamps and this one makes two now. I always like getting multiple examples of the same stamp.

Here is the one I have already.

Thanks,

AndyH

I have a low grade T206 collection and also collect index card autographs of T206 players. I have about 20 all together. Here are two of my favorites:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...JohnGanzel.jpg

John Ganzel

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...lswittauto.jpg

Rudy Hulswitt

t206 fringe
 

Andy,

i'll keep a look out for you:)

Scott,

Those are NEAT! really unique:cool:

Peace

Johnny