OT Mr. Olbermann's Good Night
 

The last edition of Countdown was last night. I suspect he'll have covenants in his contract restricting him doing another, similar show. I'll miss him, and look forward to his return.

Maybe it gives him a chance to appear a bit here. If he does, let's be atypically nice to him, welcome him, instead of attack his posts. The man knows a right smart about old cards. We'd benefit from his presence.

I guess you are not on the Brucii mailing list.

Rawn

Frank, I voted for Gerald Ford and I'm fine with that. He has purchased a few T206 cards from me over the years and has always been a spirited bidder (can't say the same for the rest of Net54.......where were you during my eBay June 2009 auction???).

Just to go even more O/T and at the same time a bit cryptic, my sources tell me that the Bruce is/are setting up a third prewar baseball card forum in the hopes that Keith joins in. I believe it's going to be called the Alamo :rolleyes:.

Lovely Day...

Hello Iggyman

My best memories of my whole life were in Miami(Kendall of course) during the Gerald Ford years. Boy do I miss that time.

I welcome Mr Olbermann's baseball card expertise if he comes onto the forum.

Frank

I feel your pain Frank! That was quite a view back in 1976. A silver Trans Am, testosterone to spare, and not being burdened by a want list. Truth be told, I really didn't care who was president.

Lovely Day...

Unless it pertains to baseball cards.....

Bruce, take me off your mail list please

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The best to Keith in all future endeavors. Feel free to stop by anytime. (Saying that, I'm pretty sure he lurks here.)

Hiya, Keith.

probably
 

He probably reads the board some. He has posted a few times and is a registered member. regards

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I think Keith may have to stay off the air for some period of time. So I guess he is beginning a bit of a vacation, and a hiatus from the broadcasting world.

Keith, if you're reading this, best of luck to you. You'll find a new project down the road.

He wrote
 

many hobby based articles in the 1970s and a few after that. There has never been any political issues with his card articles and I hope that he does contribute to these boards and we do understand that he is a fellow collector, albeit with slightly deeper pockets, then most of us.

He is in fact, an excellent writer and I for one would love to see him produce some card related articles.

Rich

KO
 

Keith is way too smart and talented to be unemployed for long unless that is his choice. I enjoy reading his MLB blog and maybe this intersession will allow him to post to that more frequently. I wouldn't mind seeing a baseball related book either.

Would love for Mr. Olbermann
 

I would love for Mr. Olbermann to be envolved with the chat board or release a card related book. Not sure how he consistently violated compny rules, he admitted then one transgression, contributions to several Democratic candidtes, that he was suspended for he did not even know it violated the rules. I may have missed something else. please enlighten me. Or is this a case of I hate his politics so I'll over exaggerate his mistakes, or as I call it politics in America.

The real scoop.
 

Wasn't it something about Keith having an affair with Sarah Palin? :rolleyes:

Keep an eye out for an announcement about Keith being on Dancing with the Stars.

Keith Olberman is probably the most polarizing person in American politics today and is detested by those on the right. Last time I checked, America rejected his extreme left wing agenda.

I don't think posts that at all allude to his being fired should be allowed on here unless it pertains strictly to card collecting. In fact this should not be allowed in the watercooler section either under the rules that exist.

Jim

I really miss Keith and Dan Patrick on SportsCenter, that was a great team.

Rawn

well
 

From my stance Keith is another collector. IF you want to discuss the reasons he got let go, or left his job, and it doesn't get too political, then I am ok with it. What we won't have is an all out political discussion. That will get us no where and will get this thread locked. Keith has always been nice to me, in emails and dealings, so that is the way I will be to him. I can't say I know him too well but I tend to try to treat people that way they treat me. If this discussion gets political then expect it to end rather quickly. I am sure he will land on his feet somewhere when he wants to. regards

There are very polarizing people on both sides of the debate. Let's not single out Keith. He's made tremendous contributions to our hobby and has written many fine articles about vintage card sets. I've known Keith since the early 1980's and he and I have had some great discussions about cards. I still have correspondence from him from about 1983-84 and he was very passionate even then. As Leon said, let's keep this positive.

Jim and I are polarizing... maybe just Leon and Barry should post here, back and forth, to one another. Rush used to announce ball games, reckon he collects, too? He's a tad bit polarizing.

actually
 

I have spoken on the phone with Barry probably hundreds of times. We have had political debates and discussions (privately) many, many times. So far we have never had anything close to a heated exchange, ever. We do disagree on a few things but we are both fairly moderate. I guess I am just an eternal optimist about having intelligent discourse without it getting heated. That being said, the board voted that we don't discuss politics here, or even in the general chat section. So that is the way it is. As far as saying that you don't have, or do have, sympathy for him losing his job, who cares? Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if you speak it rationally, without too much political motivation or hatred, then I see no harm in it. Now, it could get extreme and then something would maybe need to be done, but not if it doesn't go there. All in my humble opinion. I wish Keith well in the future.

Frank,

No doubt Rush is polarizing and I would be very much against people talking about Rush or Sarah Palin or Obama or anything as it did not relate to cards.

I trust that Mr. Olbermann has made great contributions to the hobby and I think thats fine to talk about.

No political discussions from me. :)

Jim

Leon and I are a model of how someone from the left and someone from the right can have an intelligent discussion and share ideas. He makes good points and so do I, and sometimes we do disagree. But we never fight. Maybe the two of us should go on the campaign trail to show how it can be done.;)

Keith Olberman has been around baseball cards a long time. His knowledge would be greatly appreciated, at least by me, if he decided to share it here. Heck, he's even referenced as "a collector" by Lew Lipset in the T206 section of Lew's Encyclopedia of Baseball Cards.

Well maybe we're saying the same thing. If it is our fortune to have Mr. Olbermann post here about old cards, let us civilly welcome him, and keep it about cards.

It's too bad some choose to get a chip on their shoulder(s) about politics. But it seems endemic.

I for one would love to read any further Olbermann articles on vintage cards. Last time I saw anything recent was his post about a T209 pickup, which was short but sweet.

Let's just hope Keith doesn't mention graded/slabbed cards in his posts. Because then civility just might go out the window.

Welcome, fellow polarizer.

Among Keith's better articles were the ones on the N300 Mayo set and T207's. Both were in early issues of SCD.

I'd also love to see Keith or someone print up a reprint set of the 9 cards that he has of players/poses that were excluded from the T206 series.

I'm probably in the minority here, but I don't mind reprint cards so long as they are clearly labeled "reprint" with the year on the back, so as to not confuse the market. I've used them as place holders for years until I've gotten an original of each T206 player (which seems endless, but part of the fun).

As to the 8 Southern Leaguers and batting pose Collins that Olbermann has, there could easily be a short run of those with a disclaimer at the bottom of the back saying that they were unreleased in the original 1909-11 T206 series, but promos were printed, then have them labeled as reprints, c. 2011.

I suppose the short answer to that is that some jerkoff will find a way to dirty them up, erase the disclaimer and sell them on eBay. I know that going in, but you can't stop a guy from dreaming. I'd love to just hold a copy of those nine cards in my hands.

Anyway, that's one instance of Olbermann's card knowledge combined with his monetary wealth that made sure those rare specimens were well cared for.

Judge for yourself.

Carry on
 

Keith is a personal fave of mine, and I'm certain he'll be back in the mix in plenty of time for the 2012 campaign. I also wouldn't be surprised if he finds another expressive outlet for his talents beyond cable TV. For now, I hope he enjoys his upcoming birthday.

My guess is that if you lean left you like him and if not, not so much. Don't mistake him for a newsman however, he is as much of a bloviator as those on the right he seems to despise so much. To me there seems to be an inordinate amount of anger simmering right below the surface there, like how can so many Americans be so dumb as to not see what I can see so clearly.

Clearly a talented man whether it be sports related or politics. He'll land on his feet if he wants to. I won't miss him bc I never watched him that much. Clearly the most talented mouthpiece on that network though.

I'm very much a right winger, but this isnt a policial forum. So I say, welcome Keith! Your expertise would be greatly appreciated here! Good luck!

It's really only about the cards here anyway - isnt it?

:)

Keith, now that you have some free time, please tune in to Geraldo At Large tonight on Fox News; I'll be ripping Obama a new one regardless of the topic.

Always been a Maddow fan myself, though I love Olbermann's rants on gay civil rights. In the realm of TV political op-ed, he'll be a missed voice, and I'm sure he'll be back.

The folks I admire most, generally speaking, are those who achieve significant success in more than one field of endeavor. Bill Bradley and Ted Turner come to mind.

In that sense, I admire Keith's success in political commentary, sports commentary and card collecting.

On the politics, Keith was quite obviously a very polarizing figure. For myself, his show would have been improved and more effective had it presented the issues in a more even-handed manner.

I'd welcome any collector of his stature here; lots of insights to be had I am sure. As for politics, well, I was and am a fan of his and will miss his show. Nuf ced.

I'd just like to be the first to say Merkle Boner in this thread.

Thank you,

-Ryan

Keith Olberman
 

Keith,

if your reading.....please sell me a t206 scrap or two!!i lost a few to you back in the day on ebay!!!sore loser here :)

Thanks

Johnny

I've never understood what politics (or religion) has to do with baseball cards.

I would welcome Keith to contribute to this forum regardless of his political leanings (or anybody else for that matter), I have done many a deal with Keith and he is reliable and as nice a guy as any I have ever dealt with. I wish him the best in whatever he does in the future.

Dammit. I was just going to drop a Merkle boner in this thread, and once again, Ryan is quicker on the draw.

-Al

keith o
 

welcome home, keith.
it will be good to have you back on board with us again.
all the best,

barry

Not a thing.

Keith Olbermann Should Resign From SABR
 

In March of 2009, a total of 17 veterans of the Negro Leagues were elected to the Hall of Fame. Buck O'Neil and Minnie Minoso were not among them. This prompted the irascible Keith Olbermann to have a hissy fit, blaming this omission on SABR, and threatening to resign from SABR if they did not take action to reverse the vote and admit O'Neil and Minoso to the Hall, even though SABR had no direct role in selecting members for the Hall of Fame. Olbermann somehow held SABR accountable, in a vitriolic attack, because most of the voters on the selection committee did happen to be members of SABR. SABR, to their credit, took no action to acquiesce to Olbermann's demands. Olbermann should have lived up to his promise and resigned. To the surprise of no one, he has not resigned, and, as far as I know, he has not even made an apology to SABR for his vicious and unfounded remarks.

Not that I agree with the way he went about his response about the omission BUT it was absolutely unbelievable that O'Neil and, to a lesser extent, Minoso were not among the ones chosen but Effa Manley was--totally unforgivable in my opinion!

I'll just be honest and say it - I'd be star-struck if he hung around. Absolutely star struck. :p

I would happily welcome the participation of a hobby veteran like KO. Personally, I will miss his show on NBC. I have no doubt he will land somewhere else.
JimB

I would advise against disputing anything KO says regarding baseball cards lest you be deemed "Worst Person in the World." :)

Too Late. I've already been honored as Keith's "Worst Person in the World" (see Old Cardboard eNewsletter #72, April 2010). :rolleyes: :eek: :)

Lyman

Lyman......fantastic comeback on your comments on the eNewsletter. Politics do make us divisive too quickly. Unfortunately, between that and religion, many friendships have been lost. A shame we all cant be like Barry & Leon and discuss things in a rational manner. Keith's won items from me on ebay...generally quite a while ago and was always quick with payment and extremely courteous in any correspondence. Hope he does land on his feet although I would always prefer his wit in a Sports, and not political, setting.........

Yes Lyman, I remember that. I thought your reply was great! Gave me a good laugh.

I guess if I can get over being sniped at the last second on an E90-1 Joe Jackson on eBay several years ago by KO, I guess we can all learn to put aside our differences in discussing cards. :o
I, for one, would love to see Keith be a regular contributor here, he has a wealth of card knowledge to share.

He may lurk here, but he hasn't logged on since December of 2009 so I doubt he'll ever really contribute to the discussion here.

Agreed, and with good reason. He won't bother with boards like this for a simple reason. Threads like this (and the one that got Brucie tossed) are a perfect example. Discussion instantly resorts to a discussion of his opinions and his TV show. There are always a few posters who have to take a back handed slap, even if ever so slight, toward his opinions and chosen occupation.

What he does for a living is entertainment, not news. Some people like it. Some hate it. But it's no different than Rush, Glenn Beck, or Bill O'Reilly (or even John Stewart.) Some people take it way too seriously and that would intefere with anything he said or did here.

He's been collecting a long time and has proven he doesn't "need" an internet message board to be successful at it.

agree completely
 

I agree with this statement completely. It's a shame too,but is quite anticipated, given the breadth of the board members.

Brucie got tossed? I guess I missed it.

I have to agree completely too. I often stand opposite KO's views, as do many others...The thing though, is he knows it, and it doesn't need to be said here. He doesn't need to know what each and every individual feels, for or against, and neither do I, or anyone else here. He knows that with every word he says, some will love it, and some will hate it. That's his job.

Now to get on with my point. We are all here because of shared joy in collecting. Some of us will become friends, some aquaintances, others just people that we'll make a deal with from time to time. Is it ok for us to talk politics amongst each other? Sure! But not on this board. Maybe in chat, maybe over the phone, or in another forum, but this is a place for us all to get together and escape from politics and other such things. Basically, a little slice of our life devoted to one passion. Collecting, and broadening our knowledge of the hobby..

That being said, if KO were to come on here, would he be bombarded with a bunch of political crap? You bet. It's not right, because he'd be coming here for the same reason as the rest of us. For that, we should embrace him as one of us, because deep down, beyond the politics and money, that's what he is.

I couldnt stand him on Sportscenter and I couldnt stand him on MSNBC, he just comes off as a pompous and miserable human being.
I have read some of the stuff he has written about cards and I do enjoy what he has to say about cards.

To me it's a bit sad that someone who has a good degree of knowledge and love of their hobby would feel that they had to hold back from sharing that. Either because of the nuisance of politics, or a desire not to be a distraction.

It's more sad that there are people who would feel the need to put them in that sort of situation.

It's an unfortunate price of success and celebrity I suppose, but it's still a bit sad

Steve B

Great first post, Elmalo. This is really a soild contribution to the board, calling someone a miserable human being.

Could someone please kill this thread.

TaDa!!! And here is the reason why he probably won't ever contribute..this guy uses his VERY FIRST POST to tell us he thinks Keith comes off as pompous and is a miserable human being. Well done.

sheesh
 

See my last post in the rules thread.......Agreed, completely. Actually, now there are rules against this type of behavior.....regards

Dan- He also posted anonymously. He needs to read the rules.

Keith shares more than almost anyone else I know. He just doesn't share it here. He has written numerous articles, for many hobby publications, some going back almost 40 years. Sharing, in a forum that would bring up negativity from other issues would be foolish, on his part. He writes a blog that is mostly about baseball but occasionally talks about cards.

And, just to be clear, it's not just Keith. Kit Young came on here (the old board) and we had a long thread about a deal gone bad from 20 years prior. I don't think he ever came back. Why would he?

Periodically, someone attacks one particular board member because he "associates with criminals!!!" The fact that he is a criminal defense attorney is lost in the attack. What he does for a living is a vital part of our society. Without his profession, our system of law and government would fall apart. Is he zealous at it? Yep. That's what makes him good at it. But he's here because he likes cards, not because of his criminal associates.

Guys like elmalo should be shown the door after their first post. If you bother to register and then spend your first post calling someone a "miserable human being," for any issue unrelated to cards, you should expect be booted.

JimVb
 

Hey Jim
Even the old rules, still posted, have this:

"Also, to be absolutely clear, this is not a complaint board about grading, graders or grudges. If your first post on the forum is negative, it will likely be deleted. Trolls are not tolerated and they will be banned."

Instead of deleting, suspending or banning, I feel an appropriate response will be an infraction, and one will be given. As a first post maybe he didn't understand....now he will and as long as he remains cooperative, with some positive posts, then I don't think it's a huge deal. The new rules will go up in the next day or three, once I see if there are any glaring holes I missed (I don't think there are). I also don't want this board to be known for censoring or deleting things. I even got censored on the FreedomCardBoard board recently, for giving my opinion in the wrong place :). Live and learn....

I agree completely.

Doug

In the opposite, if elmalo would have used his first post to say that KO came off as a well-mannered, even-handed, fair and balanced, congenial and delightful host on MSNBC, I would have suggested a urine test.

lol.

Maybe Leon can get KO to host a NET54 dinner at the next National. If he does, I'll promise to keep my pie hole shut. :D

I Love Those T206 Proofs that Keith Owns
 

Trying to stick just to cards here. Look Keith's, any other person's on the board, and even my own political views are really no one else's business on this board. It is just that Keith's views are known to the world because that was/is his job and they are out there for the world to see/hear. But that's why I love jumping on here each day to get away from the garbage in our real world and just enjoy vintage baseball cards. Oh, don't get me wrong, in the real world I like to duke it out on political and religious matters all the time, especially with others who might share Keith's views, but here I love to talk, hear, and see things that pertain only to baseball! I'd love to see Keith's collection on the board. I heard it is spectacular and he is very knowledgable about our hobby's history. I remember years back seeing a bunch of T206 Proofs with no lettering at the bottom and only the little crosses on the borders in an auction. I believe that Keith purchased them. I would welcome him, just as I ask to be welcomed myself, on this board and that is to talk about vintage baseball cards.
Happy Collecting everybody,
Tim

Enjoy:

Keith- welcome to the jungle. To all other fellow net54ers, this guy knows t206s well, and that's my pride and joy.

Any reason to post Matt Foley is a good reason to post Matt Foley.


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Cat- Love It!
 

Cat,
Love It!!!! But I take offense to it because I live in a van down by the river:D

Has anyone seen Keith's collection? Yesterday, I was listening on local sportstalk radio in the San Francisco area (680), and Tony Bruno said that Keith will land on his feet fine because Keith has a baseball card collection worth more multiple times than Bruno's net worth. So I assume that Bruno has at least had a glimpse of Keith's collection, maybe when they worked together on ESPN many, many years ago.

On a related note, is Keith the biggest personality that is a serious card collector? I've heard that Bill Simmons on ESPN collects, but I think more modern stuff. Obviously Gretzky had that T206 Wagner, but is he a serious collector? I think I read that Charlie Sheen had the Merkle ball at one time also. There are a lot of whales or really rich people who collect, but I'm thinking along the lines of those who are well known in sports or entertainment.

Professor Emeritus of Zeenutology Larry Moe thought Net54ers might enjoy this article from the '70's depicting Keith O, Boy Wonder. Larry is not adept with Net 54's posting mechanism so he asked me to do so. As an aside, imagine someone paying "well over $100" for a '33 Goudey Lajoie. What a dummy!
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I agree Jim. I didn't word my earlier post well at all.

What I should have included is that while articles and blog posts are great, there's a level of detail that can be conveyed and a greater chance at getting some finer point clarified on a forum like this.

Yes, the personal attacks drive some people away, and that was my main point. That the attacks affect us all when someone like Keith Olberman or Kit Young avoid the forum because of them.
Except in extreme circumstances I think a bit less of people who would bring that sort of personal attack into a discussion, even a heated one. It's one thing to question someones hobby knowledge, but to bring unrelated outside stuff into it just seems wrong.

Steve B

It is a shame that we sometimes have personal attacks on the board. Thanks to Leon for keeping it to a minimum. All things considered, better known collectors might want to participate under a nom de plume.