T206: Show us your "Marks"
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I used to automatically write-off any card which had any writing/marking on it. However, I was drawn to this card for just that. Please share any T206's you have with any interesting or unique writing/marking. Thanks.
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A rabbit, a cop and a wiener dog!
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Not a T206, but a neat cursive writing on back... Ty wishes he was on a Red Sun!
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F.F.Baker
I own a half dozen of his cards. Just to lazy to try to find them all. Hope this link works from my iPhone. http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m...ces/9bd4_1.jpg
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A Fingerprint
A Fingerprint
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Jason,
I noticed that purple star on your T206. Is this star on my T205 Wagner possibly from the same, one time owner? Any one else have more to share? Note: Sorry for the poor pic. <a href="http://s210.photobucket.com/albums/bb189/Tyjaycox/?action=view&current=wagnerback.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb189/Tyjaycox/wagnerback.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> |
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Here are some of my examples....an 1888 Goodwin and a 1909 T206
<img src="http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/an162t206.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> TED Z |
Nelson Tisdel
Jason,
I also have a T206 (Bender with trees) that has the Nelson Tisdel stamp on the back. Mine also has his sig on the back border and had been glued, but still had the backing on it. Got that off and was at first disappointed to find the stamp, but then googled the name. Some info I found was someone with the same name came to the US with his family in the early 1900s (1906/7? - I've lost the geneaology web site link) and grew up in Missouri. Graduated from the University of Missouri in 1920 and married in 1925. Got most of that from a few google searches. There's a site that has his 1920 yearbook with class picture. It's now my favorite T206 card. I picture a kid just coming to the US, learning about baseball and collecting T206 cards. I've seen others on ebay for sale over the years. I thought it was kinda fun to put a story together to go with the stamp. Might not be the same kid, but I'd rather not ruin my mind's picture of the story. Tim |
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This one is right in my wheelhouse!
I won't keep it simple with a regular autographed T206 card. I'll show this one, with Fred's own commentary:
"Yes - I was a catcher first" Always wondered why these comments weren't on a T206 Snodgrass Catching pose card. I have always presumed that the autograph seeker either included one with this one, or otherwise asked about his catching days. <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/nuynjwmreNQYWf_ZqNph9DiJm_Z5QsNdec5_I7WHZRE?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_Ys7fw31kTDs/SqBnH9p4W4I/AAAAAAAAHQk/rblEOqd4vRQ/s800/SnodgrassBattingCatcherCommentary.jpg" height="651" width="800" /></a> |
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I have a Cobb exhibit that the back has someone's shopping list written.
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Purple star
I've seen at least 10 of those purple stars on T206's over the years. I'd say it was somebody's identication mark.
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Exhibits with Stats
I have several Exhibits that exhibit this on the back:
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s.../BST/backs.jpg Or as Matt (Ghostmarcelle) described this in his ebay write up, "a rare Pirate back." :) http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s.../BST/001-1.jpg |
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E107 with mark
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Jeremy
Here is the one I have with a "Lloyd Bolton" stamp. http://photos.imageevent.com/mhgt/t2...-Red-Hindu.jpg |
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Stamps
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Being a low to mid condition collector I have had the opportunity to come across some interesting T206 with stamps. I like the fancy script letter on the Turner card--is that an 'F' ? The Piedmont 350-460 series Lake card has the March 10 1911 stamp...perhaps when it was first acquired? As far as I can tell the Overall was first Milton Fuegy's card until his older brother George Fuegy swiped it from him. And I don't know much about the Cobb player of the Troit team, except that its previous owner thought he was 'O.K.'
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F
There is a theory that the F is for F. Scott Fitzgerald:
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F. Scott Mygoodnessgracious!
Thanks T206 Collector. Now I know my English Literature degree was not for naught...it allowed me to unconsciously gravitate to a card that may have at one time been owned by the creator of the Great Gatsby.
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Guess I could post this here, too
This is the second card I've bought this year, but the first to arrive.
<a href="http://s150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/T206ster/?action=view&current=170Burke.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/T206ster/170Burke.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> I'm trying to rebuild McCormick's collection of all the t206s he stamped as a kid. This is #170 in the rebuild, #171 should arrive tomorrow. That leaves 28 cards I know exist with his stamp on them (and I know the owners of 11 of those. Eventually, you'll all hear from me) and who knows how many more that will just show up in auctions, eBay, etc. A never ending quest. |
scribble?
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Shown before but.........I bought this from a board member many years ago on ebay. I thought the writing was just stray marks and tried erasing it. I couldn't because it's from one of those oil based pencils from long ago.....I guess it's good I didn't :)
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Re : Lloyd Bolton Stamp...
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Mike - I have seen many of these Lloyd Bolton stamps, and like the McCormick stamp, I wonder just who is Lloyd Bolton and was this a personal collection, etc. ? |
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An autographed Nelson Tisdel. Sometimes the stamp just isn't enough :)
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Some of my stamps
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Having seller's remorse
I went through my old scans from 2005-2008 as I remembered I had some. I found that I at one point owned 44 different F.F.Baker stamped T206s. Kind of wish I had them back. Amongst other commons, there was Bresnahan Portrait, Chesbro, Cicotte, Griffith Portrait, and Thornton.
I also found the following, two of what appears to be from Harold Meixell (one of which he initialed twice): http://gallery.me.com/kimsummers/100...llian2/web.jpghttp://gallery.me.com/kimsummers/100...nchman/web.jpg http://gallery.me.com/kimsummers/100059/taylor/web.jpghttp://gallery.me.com/kimsummers/100...C35030/web.jpg http://gallery.me.com/kimsummers/100059/spencer/web.jpghttp://gallery.me.com/kimsummers/100059/speaker/web.jpg http://gallery.me.com/kimsummers/100059/quinn/web.jpghttp://gallery.me.com/kimsummers/100059/kleinow/web.jpg http://gallery.me.com/kimsummers/100059/killian/web.jpg |
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A match for the other "May 31st."
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Gilliam Squires
Are there any T206's with the Gilliam Squires stamp? I see them time to time on Obak's but nothing else that I remember.
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McGraw
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Here's my contribution - it's my McGraw Portrait. It reads, "Robt Walton Jr".
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Another Lloyd Bolton
A lot of 36 just arrived from Ebay, and one has a Lloyd Bolton stamp. Is anyone actively collecting these?
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Found three more in my current collection
In order: Wiltse (Portrait with cap), Ruelbach (Glove showing), Maloney
From the Wiltse I can make out: EDWARD B....A... .90.......E.........E 1914 W. PHILA http://gallery.me.com/kimsummers/100...ithCap/web.jpghttp://gallery.me.com/kimsummers/100...howing/web.jpghttp://gallery.me.com/kimsummers/100059/maloney/web.jpg |
T206 Brown Hindu Howe McCormick Stamps
Let me guess, there we have the guy who collects brown hindu cards find them but with Howe McCormick stamps, which he can't trade to the Howe McCormick collector unless he gets a replacement for his brown hindu card?
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Well, I've known about these for a while now...
Mark has the two that he got from Jim Schnider when he was selling off the near complete T206 set he got from Mastro a couple of years ago. Jim R. just recently picked up another that I was the under-bidder on on eBay about a week ago, which means he has two. I'm not in any hurry. Eventually, replacements will be found, and I can get them. I'm just happy to know where they are....
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I guess the only way I could relate would be if one of my signed T206s was also a Howe McCormick-stamped card. That'd be the only way I wouldn't be able to send it on to Ed...
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F.F.Baker
Eric, I own the Chesbro and Griffith portraits plus Mattern portrait and Engle batting. One clearly lists his address as 1318 Mosby St. So far only one that has a 150 Piedmont stamp has surfaced. ( I'm sure that can be easily dispelled with all the collectors here). All the rest seen are 350 or 350-460 series Piedmont. Now here is where my memory gets a bit fuzzy as I did the research 5 years ago and had a memory back then. He either lived in Portland or Seattle and was 12 years old in 1911. My thoughts are someone in the family smoked piedmonts, young F.F. saw the Chesbro 150 in a box on dad's dresser from 1909 and got the bug and started saving by the time the 350's were printed. Pack or 2 a day habit and young F.F. amassed a couple hundred quickly. Maybe stamping them so buddy's could get together and admire each others collections without mixing them up. Of course I have no way of proving this but that's the story I like to believe when I look at them. I believe there are 100's of his cards out there. He did live a long life so I don't think he was the one puffing away on the cancer sticks.
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Chris (thread originator),
Look at item 380304525018 on ebay. The writing looks similar to that which is on your card. I looked at the cert numbers for your card and this (Cravath) card and it appears that they did come from the same collection. I don't mind this type of writing, it adds a little character to the card (IMO). |
Seven known 150s
I have scans of seven P150s: Chesbro, Cicotte, Hahn, Shaw, Jacklitsch, Overall (portrait) and Stone. I also have an Old Mill Fiene scan that appears to have a partial baker stamp.
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Eric, Well that shoots the 150 theory down the drain. Honestly, I cannot remember why I thought West Coast. Like I said, my memory at this time is not what it was 5 years ago. I know I tracked him down and wish I would have wrote it all down. It's interesting to see you have a non Piedmont. Maybe he did a little swapping? I'm more than happy to be proved wrong about F.F. As a matter of fact, I'd be really happy to know the whole truth. I find his collection fascinating as our other collector finds the McCormick just as interesting. Anything anyone can add I'm all ears.
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A couple of postmarked cards
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A couple of postmarked cards.
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Here's a page full of such stuff.
I didn't realize you'd specified t206's; sorry. I do like such cards and find interesting--they give you, your imagination, a tangible connection with the past--but I don't over-value/collect them, per se [I'd trade any of these reasonably; pm me if interested]. I've accumulated most of these simply because they were affordable. I have several more starred 206's, and quite a few more that have been written on, some neatly, some scribbled, but I like these best. My favorites are the "32" and the pair of B.B. Gannons [I take it that's a G]. Doug |
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Sorry, forgot to save the scans. Here they are:
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F F Baker
I have a T206 Piedmont Chesbro with a F F Baker stamp but the address is clearly 1818 Mosby, not 1318 Mosby
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I may have a purple star from that original owner also. Looks the same? |
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T206: Show us your "Marks"
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Ok - I love this card as some ole time collector, followed Gabby's career from start to finish on the reverse. Gabby's Minor League & Major League History all included on the reverse as well as a 1 year stint in the Army in 1918 :
03 - Hopkinsville, Ky 04 - T. H. (Terre Haute, In.) 05 - Boston 06 - 07 San Francisco 08-11 - Washinton 12 - N.Y. American 13-14 - Chattanooga 15-17 - Nashville 18 - Army ? (out of baseball) 19 - Nashville 21 - Suffolk 22-23 - Joplin 24-25 - Muskogee 26 - Augusta 27 - Columbia 28 - Knoxville 31-33 - St. Louis - Nat'l 34-35 - Mission (PCL) 36-37 - St. Paul 38 - St. Louis - American |
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Another Baker stamp
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Backstamps
Have to many to count, I was at one time buying all I could find, a PSA (MK) was my calling card. I have countless date stamps, quite a few Beantown squares, and other odds and ends. I guess it goes back to my stamp collecting days, I loved SON fancy cancels, date stamps, etc. First scan is my only T210 backstamped, would love to get some more T210's, if you have any PM or e-mail me. Thx
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Always had a soft spot for this "Saturday Evening Post" stamp.
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Typewriter And Stamp Marks
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I don't think the "AB" stamp has been shown yet. The Willie D. marked card turned up years ago in Arlington Heights Il. A bit off the focus... I have some Zeenuts with typewriter mark "Jack Donovan".
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Lloyd Bolton
If anyone is pursuing Lloyd Bolton stamped cards, send me a message. I have a lead for you.
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Do we know anything about the 'FS' typewritten letters? Was that what F Scott used when he didn't have ink for his rubber 'F' stamp?
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1910 Obak back with previous owner stamp
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Here's one on a 1910 Obak back:
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Here are mine
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There is a matching Heinie Wagner owned by a board member. Hoping to pick it up one day.
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t206 back stamps
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These are the only "Smiths " I have ever seen. All 150 series. Hopefully, there are others.
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I also have, had a Russell W Seward stamped T206. I just traded it for another F.F. Baker stamped back. So my collection of Bakers has grown to 9 from 4 in 3 days thanks to 3 different board members. Isn't thus little group of nerds that collect pictures of dead men a great little community? I thank everyone for looking out for Baker stamps. Maybe some day I can put most of his collection back together 100 years after he stamped them as his. Pretty cool if you asked me, but I'm easily amused. :)
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Here's a T-206 Tommy Leach signed on the back by former 19th Century big leaguer (albeit briefly) Charles (Chas.) Kelly. The second photo is an enhanced version so that the writing is a little easier to make out. Looks like he wrote his address on the card. I discovered that this location is a few blocks from where he may have played.
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z...ok/leach-1.jpg http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z...ordsdark-1.jpg Here's Kelly (from REA website): http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z...arlesKelly.png |
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Someone figuring their budget on back?
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Another one of those 'FS' cards:
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A little history of F.F. Baker
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I did a little checking on F.F. Baker, he was born Frederick Frank Baker Jan 25 1903 and died November of 1973 in Richmond, Virginia. It appears he lived in the Richmond area his entire life. He and his family are at 1318 Mosby in 1930, prior to 1920 it was known as Mechanicsville Turnpike, but the house number was still 1318. His father owned a grocery store in 1910 and 1920 according to census data, presumably it may have been at the same location. Thus he probably had easy access to cigarette cards from the customers. One of these two buildings is the store, I am pretty sure it's the gray two story. one.http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&cl...ed=0CB8Q8gEwAA |
Very nice work on the research. Looks like a nice neighborhood.
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Great research. Thanks for the facts. My Portland theory was debunked in an earlier thread. My memory as how I thought that eludes me but we did track him down to Virginia. I never did know his full name or that his family owned a grocery store. Young Fredrick sure did have access to a steady supply of T206's. Can we see him standing at the counter as customers bought packs and asking for the card? Or maybe dad told his customers his son was a collector. What a great story. Maybe someday as Paul Harvey might have said, I'll know the rest of the story. Still hunting more for the collection.
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In New Hampshire 22 years ago, I picked up an original complete N162 set with each of the 50 cards stamped in purple ink..........
"E. S. Richardson. Danvers, Mass." Also, this purple alpha-numeric stamp is sometimes found on T206 cards. I have both letters and numbers examples of this stamp on T206's. This T206 is the Mike Powers card. http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/d.../an162t206.jpg TED Z |
I hope the images come up, but I did a little research and found that Pacpic Street was in Perth Amboy, NJ down by the waterfront near the Outerbridge Crossing and rail yards but was demolished some years ago to make way for a condo development. It was a Polish/Czech/Slavic community as well, so the Slavick name also makes sense for the street address.
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Been meaning to scan this for awhile. Fancy stuff at the bottom. It's not written on the back, it was stamped on I guess. Don't know what it is but I like it!
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