here we go again...
 

http://cgi.ebay.com/2010-Bowman-Step...#ht_500wt_1154

WOW-sers

I'd buy the holder!

$18,000.00,,,,,,,,,,,,,?? :confused:

What am I missing here? I know he's a wicked pitcher, but what's up with the inflated prices?

Clayton

its just new, and people love "new"....just like a new set of shoes, new style gear.....people are dumb

funny thing is, he could go on to win ROY, 5 cy youngs...etc...and i still be this card wont go above 5-7 grand in 10 years

For $18,000 ...
 

What would you buy? Right now the bid is $18k and I can think of a ton of vintage stuff that I've always wanted and would be able to get if I had $18k to blow. What vintage cards or memorabilia would you spend your $18k on? Just curious.

I might...
-- Fill in a bunch of holes in my T206 set including some HOF'ers and rare backs
-- Pick up some 1900-1930's HOF'er cards and/or autographs
-- Start an Old Judge subset
-- Add to my T3 set (currently consisting of a single card :) )

Those are probably too vanilla for some of you advanced collectors. So, let's hear what you would get?

Very true, I just find it amazing that a players card could go for so much with hardly any history behind him. We'll see what the future brings,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Clayton

it's a gamble.....
 

To me it's just another gamble at that price. Hey, we do it all of the time with pre-war. That is just a shiny new card they are doing it with.

For 18k there are thousands of pre-war cards I could buy. Heck the uniquely known 1915 Thorpe I picked up was only half that cost. :eek:

It's fun to watch this new stuff though...

If I had $18,000.00 to spend on cards I would spend it all on T206's. I would buy a Magie error,each Cobb, and pick up any HOFers that I don't have yet :D

Clayton

I looked at the completed listings for his orange refractor, I saw a couple go for around 3k, then about a week later they started ending around 4,800. If I was the 3k buyer I'd be selling already.

(although I don't have the guts to spend 3k on a 2010 baseball card)

A Hobby No Stats in Grade 4-5. Or about 25% the rest of my T205 set that I need in grade 4's and higher with a few rare backs included.

id probably buy a Harley, rather then cards.... and a really nice tv.

Hell with half that money I could buy damn near every card I've ever wanted and have money left to spare.

Good for the sellers, making out like crazy. I was in an antique store yesterday that had busted a bunch of boxes of 2010 Bowman. They had a handful of base Chrome Strasburgs with a huge sticker on them, 'NO DISCOUNT, $65.'

I'm in the DC area so the hype around here is insane but c'mon!

66 bids so far. I was on the fence but with free shipping?!? I'm in.

Uffda51 --- your old judge card looks like Dan Patrick ( sorry if thats been said )

$26,000 now. P.T. Barnum must be rolling in his grave laughing.

That guy is going to have a down payment on a house when its all said and done.

crazy, for his $100 investment, he is probably going to end up with 40k+

heres a story and a picture of the man who bought the Strasburg Superfractor for $16K last week

http://i48.tinypic.com/28bs1nb.jpg

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?id=5290998

I heard his step-father is Joe Charboneau.

I read the story.
 

He should sell it :D

It's just as silly to me that anyone would spend $18,000 on T206s. And it's silly to some other collectors what I spend my money on.

Everyone's always saying how "real" collectors buy what they like. Well what if that's what this guy likes? It's not what I like or what almost anyone who reads this board would like. But if the high bidder likes it, good for him.

I voice my opinion on how silly it is by not bidding on it.

-Ryan

It makes no difference what you "like" and although you can spend your money as you wish, a purchase like this will always be percived as ridiculous by 99.999% of the population. No new card has EVER held it's value (see: Clemens, Gooden, Strawberry, Valenzuela, Prior, Wood, Canseco, McGwire etc.). Even HOF'ers like Boggs, Gwynn, Puckett and the like can be had for practically nothing these days. It's all HYPE. The guy who bought the Strasburg might as well sew it into his suit because he'll be buried with it. Worthless crap IMO.

Albert Pujols, Ichiro, A-Rod, Jeter

Some have held... Just sayin'

true....
 

and posting it on Net54baseball.com .......:)

To reiterate....I agree with you Ryan....It's this guy's money and he can do what he wants with it. Not a lot different than what we do, except there is more of a liklihood our pre-war items will hold more value than the card he bought. (imo)

There is risk and reward with everything, of course, as with baseball cards. That $16,000 Super Refractor purchase looks pretty sweet now, as it is probably now worth at least $10,000 more than the purchaser paid a couple of weeks ago. The trick is to sell before it comes down to earth, which will inevitably happen.

"Holding value" is time and issue relative.

That's exactly right. The purchaser of the Refractor card probably has a golden opportunity right now to make a big profit due to Strasburg's incredible start and media exposure. But if he holds it too long it will inevitably go down in value. The novelty of it is bound to wear off. Of course, he may not care and just prefer to keep it.

What???!!! Are you saying that you think Strasburg may actually LOSE a game at some point in his career?

What a doubter you are. I foresee 512 straight wins!

There's also condition rarity...
 

One of my colleagues heard I collected baseball cards and brought in from home two of his favorites. 1 was a 1966 Topps Mantle in G-VG condition. The other was a 1991/92 Donruss Elites Cal Ripken Certified Auto card. Guess which one is worth more? The Ripken by twice as much. When I told him this, he was dumbfounded. I tried to explain that the Mantle could be worth many hundreds or more if it were in better condition. But I have to agree with him that on some levels, the price disparity -- condition notwithstanding -- is a bit ridiculous.

I think it is wonderful that there are collectors out there willing to pay exorbitant and even idiotic prices for brand new shiney cards. More power to them, at least they won't be bidding against me for pre-war stuff. Let them use their disposable income on bling.

In all honesty, even if he pulls off 512 straight wins, I don't see the card retaining it's value. Is there a card of Pujols that was worth over $10k when he started that is still worth that?

I have no idea, but no one in my memory has had this amount of publicity BEFORE his first major league appearance. Maybe not since Brien Taylor or even David Clyde (and look how well those worked out.)

My favorite part is the way the media has approached the Nats "bringing him along slowly" just because he spent 2 months in the minors. That is a joke. He was the best pitcher on their staff since the first day of spring training. They kept him in the minors until after June 1 so that they would have an extra year before he can become a free agent. They weren't "bringing him along slowly." They were trading 2 months now for an extra year of lower pay 6-7 years from now!

Agreed, 100%. I wonder if the union will fight this when the CBA expires. Could be really interesting/annoying.

That's exactly why they kept him down, as a money saving move.

There's another rookie who is going gangbusters but not getting as much publicity- Carlos Santana. I never saw a rookie batting third in a major league line up right out of the minors. And last time I looked he was hitting .393 with power.

Curious! Did Puljols have any 1 of 1 rookie cards in his day, if so what do they go for?
I think its great that a card can generate this kind of publicity & this kind of pricetag.
Not my cup of tea at all, but more power to the winning bidder, its his money.

Anybody else notice the Jason Heyword Chrome card go for over 6K a couple weeks ago or so.

I also saw a Strasburg 1/1 Card from the same set............called a Red Parallel or something, sell for about 4.8K a week or two ago.

http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-STRASBUR...item4aa1c71e66


Why the disparity with the chrome superfractor thingy. I mean, a 1/1 is a 1/1............right? :confused:

It really is madness I think.

Are there ANY examples of these types of cards (shiny, new, manufactured scarcity) that have gotten more valuable? I've been curious about this. Going back a decade or so, can anyone give any examples? It seems to me that if someone speculates on a prospect and nails it, they should get a big payday for it, but I'm pretty sure that's not at all how it works. Are there any stories of it working that way?

-Ryan

Bret Saberhagen
 

I once witnessed a guy write a check for $1,000 for a lot of 100 Bret Saberhagen rookies, after he won his 2nd Cy Young award.

The more things change . . .
 

I was hanging out in a card shop when Fernandomania was just cranking up and his card was going for about $5. Some blowhard walked into the shop and insisted on paying $25 for one.

he just wanted the 5 times the value version.... a fool and their money are soon parted!

If I were the guy who bought the Strasburg card for $16,000 dollars, I would buy a one way ticket to Washington D.C. and take the card to a car dealership and trade the card, straight up, for a $25,000 dollar car and then drive back home.

Why? Because I am pretty sure the car dealer could turn around and sell the card for a profit and the guy from Michigan will get more value and utility out of the car, over the next seven to 10 years, than he is going to get out of the Strasburg card.


David

He was probably using the SMR for pricing:D

Well the guy from Michigan, who bought the Strasburg superfractor for $16K is going for the old fliparoo. He has the super up for sale now and its already over $13, 000 on the first day:eek::eek:

Wonder what type of profit he makes?

http://cgi.ebay.com/2010-BOWMAN-CHRO...item23080ca4f8

I'm guessing 99.84 percent of the population sees what we do as ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, I think new cards are a poor investment unless you have impeccable timing, but the value of Strasburg cards could, in theory at least, be positively impacted by his on-field performance. Ty Cobb, what have you done for me lately?

THIS IS HILARIOUS

http://cgi.ebay.com/1988-Topps-Ron-G...#ht_1251wt_912

hahahahhahahaa

Wish I had 10k in the cookie jar, that Guidry would look SWEET in my collection!

Hopefully the first guy will pay his taxes on the gain. Capital gain tax rate for a collectible is 28 pct max, depending on his other income.

Very funny. Make sure to read the questions and answers the seller posted with this listing!:D

that's good stuff... Pabst is the only way i roll! Least someone has a sense of humor!

Ha!

That is great. :D

What if he re-invests the difference in Ricky Jordan Rookies and declares it a business expense?

great listing
 

That listing is great. You have to love a collector with a sense of humor.

On the business of re-investing....I am no tax lawyer but the 2nd investment would have to be liquidated to know if there is a gain or a loss on it. Simply buying an investment is not an expense. The expense (loss) comes when you sell for less than you paid. regards

$12K with the touring seat, windshield and a little chrome update. I'd trailer it to Colorado with the rest of the money and spend a month in the mountains and still have money left over. I'd still rather have my Harley over a 2010 BB card.
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m.../harley019.jpg

the card is at 38k+ with 6 days left, crazy if this keeps up, the guy will have a house and a harley!

Jim, We both could buy Ultra Glides with $38K and tour the country. Nah, I want the piece of cardboard. At least the guy on it is still alive. :)

this could get wacky.... but imagine if it hits 100k..... what does that do to our vintage prices.

im thinking 50k is about where it will end, but you just never know

im too cheap to even spend 38 dollars on a non 1 of 1 Strasburg

Now that's just ridiculous to get $100,000...as you can see some people just screwed up his auction with bids from 0 feedback bidders.


http://cgi.ebay.com/2010-Bowman-Step...#ht_500wt_1154

This is probably some 14 year old kid that got the pull of a lifetime!

I'm guessing the 0 feedback bidder is shilling for the seller. He had one back at $40,000 too. I could be wrong, but I just don't see this being a legit auction any more. It will end at some crazy price, and the winner won't pay it.

If there weren't nine different bidders over the $50,000 level, I might agree with you. If it's a shill, it's a mighty sophisticated one, and includes a bidder with a 1400 feedback and another with 8600.

Bill

I was thinking the same thing Bill.

I was tongue in cheek yesterday when i posted that it my go for 100k thinking no way in reality.. now what 150k 200k?


this auction is absolutely heinous or is that Honus!

You can look at it a different way...a $100,000 Strausburg 1/1 can buy you 2,000,000 1981 Joe Charboneaus!!

Joshua

I sure would hate to be the winning bidder on this one.:(

Would anybody here like to buy my 1/1 Mark Prior and Ben McDonald refractors? What a joke.....hasn't proved anything yet and is one Tommy john surgery away from that card becoming the worst investment ever. At least Wilson Alverez threw a no-hitter in his first MLB game....but I think his card has gone down over the years to the equivelent of an Enron stock. Good luck to the winner......dumbass

I thought Alvarez' no hitter was in his 2nd MLB start?

Anyway...Brien Taylor is still my fav prospect that became a suspect.

Rob-

You're correct on that one with regards to Alverez.......totally dropped his worth down a few thousand more.

The winner of the supershinny one a couple weeks ago has also relisted his card and made it so it will end within 90 minutes of the red signed thingy.

Riding Coat Tails.

IMO ....He will be the only one to make $$ on these besides the 2 who pulled them from packs.


5+ days left......

Red signed one: now over $100K with many high feedback bidders near top. w/4244 watchers.
http://cgi.ebay.com/2010-Bowman-Step...mZ200485213281

Shinny one: now over $18K but reserve not met. w/1351 watchers
http://cgi.ebay.com/2010-BOWMAN-CHRO...mZ150458901752

How much is the McGwire ball that McFarlane paid $3 million for worth today?

I see they're not sifting out the crank bidders like the seller of the last Strasburg card was doing.

This card will never get paid for and we'll have to do this all over again.

Barry,

No doubt the McGwire ball itself was a bad investment, but McFarlane turned the publicity over his purchase into a good relationship with MLB, which led to his current empire of action figures. I'm sure he's made the money back a few times over. Not to say that'll happen with this card, but sometimes the attention is worth what looks like a dumb investment.

I was at the Alvarez no-hitter, in 1989. That was during one of the O's brief spasms of not sucking over the last 25 years. Quite the surprise that day.

Alvarez did manage to hang around for a lot of years--but I wouldn't give a nickel for one of his cards.

Bill

When Sidney Crosby RCs first hit ebay, I saw a 1/1 shiny with no auto sell for over 40'000. Since then Hockey cards have been pulling nice coin. I don't collect them but have been watching them and the market seems strong.

I wonder if this will do anything for Baseball cards? I gotta say I am envious of the guy that pulled this card out of a pack.

http://cgi.ebay.com/2010-Bowman-Step...#ht_500wt_1154

108K???

My Opinion
 

Is it being shilled? Any thoughts?

I am starting to think so.

Tony

Unfriggingbelievable.
He is about to lose his first game today although he pitched well. (Against the mighty Royals).
Didn't Rube Marquard win 17 or 18 games in a row his rookie season? How about Mark Fidyrich pitching in the All-Star game his rookie year?
These bidders are absolutely insane. Let's hope they stay in the shiney card market. Personally I think this Starsburg card will have absolutely no effect on the pre-war cards.

I myself do not think that it is being shilled. If he was trying to do that than would probably do a private listing but I could be wrong. I think that we are seing part of the new era of Baseball cards without 15+ companies issuing a rookie card making there value much higher but 100k is just plain stupid!

I don't think it's being shilled. At this point it would be completely stupid to do so.

I do think a large majority of these large numbers will end up being fake bids from people screwing with the auction and the guy will never collect whatever the final bid on this ends up going off at.

With 100k i could get Two Harleys, a double wide, and a wife with a full set of teeth! Dang, id be living large then! lol


100 k could get me a heck of a collection, cards, bats, balls, bike, boat....

oh no, say it ain't so Joe!!!....does price go down to $50,000 now?

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/378826...orts-baseball/