An Open Letter to the Forum - Re: Bruce Dorskin (suspended)
 

This has surely been a long time coming, but when is enough enough
in regards to Bruce Dorskin's bullshit, ignorance and nonsense?

Are we not here to share, discuss and enjoy our hobby?

Surely, Bruce has acquired many gems over the years, but what is his sense
of purpose with this board? Shouldn't he share his knowledge (and pieces)
and experience to inform us and to better appreciate certain issues or items?

Not all of us drive a Bentley in this hobby. There are those, or atleast myself
that drive a Yugo......and still enjoy picking up rare pieces, even with
punch holes.

I have dealt with other collectors that have great collections in comparison
to mine, i.e. Dan McKee, Leon Luckey, Scott Brockelman, etc. etc. and never once did they ever belittle me or my bank account or my ability to collect
but lower grade cards.

I keep wondering why is he is allowed to continue to rant on this board.

I know we collectors do not share the same opion on matter.
We also do not always get along, by Bruce and his antics are another
thing altogether.

?

There's always going to be THAT guy. And everyone knows the reasons THAT guy exists. Usually it has something to do with them feeling slighted over something and the insecurities that follow suit. Except I find it kinda weird that in this instance we are talking about baseball cards.

The Solution :
 

The Solution :

If every time Bruce made a post, no one replied, he could exist in his lonely world with himself, and his imaginary friend.

I have never replied to one of Bruce(s) post. If you guys want to send a message to him, simply ignore him like I do. He does not exist in my world.

In defence of Bruce
 

He does bring very interesting topics to the table

In opposition to Bruce; he would make us all feel better without the threats. Wishing physical ill on another truly repulses me.

Rich

Rich- interesting spelling of "defense.";)

Some of their posts are duds. But just as many garner great discussions. In fact I would say they have an excellent percentage of good posts.

They also avoid repeat posts that can be answered via a quick search.

Barry

Rich is an honourary [sic] Canadian.

dorskind
 

im betting dorskind is a fraud
he has no cards no collection and no money
just a lot of talk

I haven't been here that long, but I have seen a lot of negative posts from this guy. It's just weird to me that someone would feel like they're better than someone else based solely on their baseball cards. It makes you wonder what it is that they don't have.

Bruce has a beautiful collection, I've seen it many times. But he is unable to get along with the people on this board. I've tried countless times to get him to tone it down, to stop sending death threats, to stop talking down to everyone, even to make a tiny concession and stop using "we." But so far I've failed miserably.:(

I disagree Marckus,

Sure, Bruce can be a tool -But, many of us are no angels either ;) and yes, I've been a recipient of his email wrath as well. But make no mistake., He's responsible for the most hilarious, fun-filled threads ever on this board, bar none.

Let him live.

Barry,

Instead of talking to him, try talking to "them".

r/
Frank

Whilst I understandist you concernist over Bruces' postist. He isist kind ofist interestingist. Is he any worstist or more annoyingist than Peter was?

I agree with just ignoring him.

Dan

I agree
 

I agree with the last post. Peter Chao was certainly in another world and very distracting. I would definitely randk the Bruces higher than Peter.

I learned a long time ago there's no sense getting all riled up every time an idiot gives you a hard time. In the end, the universe tends to unfold as it should. Plus I have a really large penis. That keeps me happy.

Not my Board, obviously...
 

...But I'm totally cool with banning total d1ckheads from Net54. Whatever the bar is, its too high. This isn't a state run democracy, its a chat board. There is no 1st Amendment right to post here. If you pi$$ off a few people here for a regular period of time, you ought to be banned.

Seriously -- if you can death threat another board member and ever post again, I mean GEESH already.... GEESH!

If I had the extremely hard job of being Moderator, I'd understand trying to tolerate a$$sholes. But, again... GEESH already. Enough. He adds nothing but comic relief through tired Seineld references.... No Soup For You! A Dingo Ate Your Baby! HA! I never get bored of mid-90s sitcom references. Can we hear Friends jokes next!? Please!?!?!??

Yuck!
 

Ewww! Now THAT is a post that should be banned!!!:eek::p

Regarding Bruce...
 

The majority may disagree with his methods but you can't argue with his results. He often makes outstanding points, but go unnoticed and become overshadowed by his brash demeanor.

If you don't get Bruce by now, you probably never will. I' m not privy to any threats he's made, and his comments about hoping for someones demise, in my opinion are not that bad. I happen to agree on many of his thoughts on things. If that makes me a "jerk" or "like him" in your opinion, so be it.

Hell, I would be willing to bet that the majority of us were (and still may be) big fans of Howard Stern. Howard would always wish that someone "would get cancer and die" almost on a daily basis. He would even openly pray to Jesus to help make it happen! Yet millions of us tuned in every morning to see what Howard would say next. Howard would also love to "rub it in" to his adversaries (Imus) faces about how successful he had become while they were "losers".

I run Blackjack in one of the biggest casinos in the world, and deal with people from all walks of life and from places that many of us have never heard of. Where force is the only thing they respect. So I'm may be a bit jaded and not easily offended. I'll give you that.

But I believe people vote with their feet, so to speak. If you don't like what Bruce has to say, pay it no attention. Simple as that. If you choose to throw gas on the fire...it's gonna burn, and burn brighter.

Bruce should stay. This is America after all and he has the right to speak his mind. It's not like he's "yelling fire in crowded theater" for God's sake.

You all have the right to do what you want to do, but I will not participate in a Lynch Mob.

Sincerely, Jimmy

We're not splitting atoms here, just ignore him. He has his value purely in an entertainment sense.

Dear Bruce
 

Everyone has the right to defend themselves.

If attacked with an arrow, we fire a missile back

We are sick and tired of stupid jokes that emanate from a perfectly legitimate post

As far as we can tell, you are a piece of white trash
who can neither spell or communicate.

It would better to die along than to spend two seconds being you.


Bruce



Not only are you a piece of SH!T I will make sure if I ever see you I will kick you square in the balls hard enough to make sure you are never able to reproduce another POS like you. Pick a fight with anyone but you just got a battle with me. I would suggest you keep your mouth shut when addressing me. Me and the rest of my "White Trash" family don't appreciate it. BTW you have maybe 1% of my families money. They are right there in NY with you. Yet they treat people with respect and don't act better than anyone else because they are greatful of the lifes they get to have. Something your Mother obviously forgot to do. Shame on you Bruce. Also don't PM me again. I don't have anyting but this to say to you. I am dissapointed in you.

Try spelling our name correctly
 

Our Posts

Everyone of our 100+ posts focused on a hobby or card issue, with the exception of four that discussed the publication of new book about baseball history or the hobby.

Many of the posts raised questions about the rarity of certain items or called for recognizing achievement. Recognition is an integral part of life in a capitalist, competitive society. Few hobbies, at least at the high end, are as competitive as baseball memorabilia. There are a number of ultra left liberals who would pay through the nose to obtain a card they want.

When our posts gravitate to personal attacks, we respond in kind. If someone wants to call us a name or attack our lifestyle or make-up stories about
our apartment or collection, so be it. But you can expect a response.

There are no threats. We simply told Exhibit Man that we were looking forward to his demise. We did not threaten him in any way shape or form.
We are not interested in stupid responses, personal commentary or a group of uneducated slobs attacking us when they have not had any dealings with us.
As far as we are concerned those folks should stick to chewing tobacco and watching Springer tv reruns.

If we choose to write in the royal "we" that is a conscious decision which is part of what has been an extremely successful marketing strategy.
If we mention a card from our collection and note that is the highest grade, we are simply stating a fact.

We are not interested in fighting, but if you want to shoot an arrow, we are willing to return the favor with a nuclear war head.

As many collectors have noted, both privately and publicly, our posts are among the most interesting. The posts cause problems
when a select group of sarcastic individuals attack us or make us part of their Steinfeld jokes.
We have never begun a post that attacked anyone, nor have we ever participated in the endless Steinfeld humor.

Anyone wishing to contact us, may do so through the board.
Thank you for your consideration in this matter.

Bruce

Bruce is a fine one to be criticizing anybody's spelling.
PS. Just a hunch, Andrew, but I don't think you have to worry too much about da kine doing any reproducing.

ummm
 

You seem a bit upset, Andrew?

Ultra left liberals?...and it's Seinfeld, no "t."

Attention PUP 6193
 

You have issued a public threat. If you execute on it, you will go to jail,
and all your family's money (if it exists) will be spent bailing you out

Of course, we could kick you in the balls if you had any.

Don't worry about our intent to correspond with you. We dispose of our trash every evening. Perhaps we could see if your family and ours has the same garbage company. That way we can ask the garbage company to throw you and your sick commentary out with the other trash


Bruce

"Try spelling our name correctly"

Oh, the irony.

I'll take the job...potato salad!

Am I seeing double
 

or do I need to lay off the alcohol? There seems to be two different thread subjects, with the same posts. This one and one that starts with "Dear Bruce" by Pup.

r/
Frank

"The Dorskind Group is a niche strategic consulting and merchant banking firm, founded in 1993. The Dorskind Group serves the needs of a number of the world's leading advertising agencies, media companies,
web organizations and private equity firms. We work with clients on
four continents. The focus of our work is strategic business development and mergers and acquisitions."

How do clients of the Dorskind Group react to the chairman posting in this manner?

Bruce I assure you that if I ever did come face to face with you, your balls would be the last thing I went for. Sounds like you are asking for a little game of Roe Sham Bo!! I will even give you first go.:D I would never stoop to that level to harm you in any way FYI.

Also an assault like that will not even go on my record. Thats what lawyers are for. A night in Jail for me and you 2-3 weeks laid up. Well worth the trade. Oh and about a couple K in fees to pay. Also the phycological damage and my reputation as a upstanding citizen and Veteran of foreign wars may weigh heavier in favor of a jury to side with me than a pompous a$$ like you. Becareful the ice you tread on. I may have stronger ties than you think.

Okay guys...time to head to your neutral corners.

I still don't know what is going on here but I think since Bruce always refers to others (including himself) as "we" in his posts, I think it would only be fair if he signed their names at the end of each post also. That way we (the board members) can see if this is what "we" (Bruce and "friends") all think, or if it is just Bruce himself.

Open Letter
 

Barry Please I just went and sat down with a big bowl of popcorn and a soda!;) Its been a long day and I was looking forward to a nice blow out on the NET54 site. Dont spoil it by letting the to combatants go to neutral corners.:eek::eek: I so do love a good cat fight now and then.;);)

I recognize the entertainment value of this thread, but it's starting to get really nasty. Look, nobody listens to me, so I assume this one still has some legs.

Has Bruce really made death threats? I'd figure that'd be a one-and-done way to get kicked off the board...

As a guy who reads this board everyday but rarely posts, I got to say that I find Bruces posts amusing more than anything else. That "Bring The Noize" failed golfer guy who got banned a while ago, now THAT was a person who caused trouble on the board, not Bruces little posts.

My Baseball Card Project:
www.infinitecardset.blogspot.com

Letter
 

Thanks Barry just a good hour should do the trick!;);)

Barry is trying to shut down two great threads. Come on Barry, let us have some fun.

And yes JP. Bruce issues death threats in PMs, emails and directly on the board. On the other Bruce thread I listed the ones I could think of that he has sent my way in the last 4 years.

Watch out Andrew, Bruce may gang up on you.

open letter
 

Martin,
Its Bruces may gang up on you. Dont forget the plural.:D:D Or is that brucei;)

So be it then. I am sure I would be doing us all a favor but its beneath me to harm someone that has special needs. I gave up fighting when I decided wars with words left nothing but an EGO hurt. Plus I love my wife and kids to much to put them through the torment of the reprocusions of harming a special needs person. What kind of monster would that make me:( I say this in the most endearing way.:D

He said "Brucei" !!! I love it!

Every time that I read one of Yankeefan51's posts, I wonder if all of the Dorskind Group meetings are similar to this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f_p0CgPeyA

Posts/threads associated with Bruce always seem to be very lengthy. Whether he starts the post or the post is about him the threads seem to take on a new life of their own.

- His charm is so contagious, vaccines we’re created for it.

- He is the only person to ever ace a Rorschach Test.

- His reputation is expanding, faster then the universe.

- He once had an akward moment, just to see how it feels.

- He lives vicariously through himself.

- If a monument was built in his honor, Mt. Rushmore would close, due to poor attendance.

- Mexico once cancelled Cinco de Mayo because he had a scheduling conflict

Ok, he's not the most interesting man in the world but this board seems to find the time to chime in on the posts in which he participates. Let's do a poll!!!

1. I like Bruce
2. I don't like Bruce
3. I really don't like Bruce, I'd like to kick him in the balls
4. Whilst I don't care for the Bruces I do seem to find his posts interesting

It's SEINFELD, not Steinfeld. At least learn the correct popular culture references to slam...

Its a 3 for me:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

How about a 5. Never Heard of Bruce or the Bruces until this thread.

Open letter
 

Wow,
there seems to be alot of hatred being aimed at the Bruce( Bruces) Balls! ;);)Maybe one of the Brucei should consider an operation that way we would know which one to kick!:rolleyes::rolleyes:

The Bruces
 

At this point,it's hard to imagine that the Bruces could ever clean up "their mess".Not that the Bruces would ever think of apologizing to anyone,for they are too arrogant to think of such a thing.But the total disrespect and threats they have spewed to many board members is unacceptable.

I must admit,the "Archive" thread was one of the funniest things I've ever read here on Net54,,,,especially that it came from an "Ivy League Graduate"!!
Strange..........Really though Bruces-take a step back and think about how you disrespect people-it's despicable.

Clayton

Does it really get any better than this? http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/ite....html#comments

I hate to sound like I am out of touch but who is Bruce?

"a fan of bachelorhood who inexplicably refers to himself in the plural"
Who da guy?

sad, just sad
 

Exhibitman's response in the other thread made me think of this truth:

"When humans find themselves surrounded by nothing but objects, the response is always one of loneliness." -- Brian Swimme

Heh! I've only gotten two "death wishes" from Bruce, but my first one made the New York Daily News Blog and will sit there in Google to embarrass the Dorskind Group for eternity. :)

Threats on the internet? IMPRESSIVE!!
 

I AM poor white trash, and yet I feel more culturally refined than some "rich" idiot sitting behind a computer making idle threats in cyberspace, knowing full well that he would much rather hide behind a wall of lawyers before getting his habds dirty (and ass kicked) backing them up, if confronted on them. Besides, people like that have no "balls" to kick Andrew.

I've never posted about Bruce or the Bruces before, and probably never will again. But I do have one question that perhaps he or someone who knows him can answer: Why does he post here? He gets teased and attacked relentlessly (I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be attacked, but it's obvious he is attacked). What does he get in return? If I was attacked like him (whether I deserved it or not), I'd leave and find another place with people that I get along with. I just don't get it.

Like everyone else, I also don't get the "we" thing. Bruce says it is a marketing strategy that his worked well for him in other contexts. I'll take his word on that. But it's obviously not working well for him here. Why not use a marketing strategy that works here?

If you are trying to add to your "world class" collection, why insult fellow collectors who might aid in your quest? Frankly, I should think that many on this board would now be reluctant to sell an item to the Dorskind Group at any price. A good marketing strategy? Seems counterproductive to me.

Why use any marketing strategy?
This is a message board about vintage cards, not a Fortune 500 company.
Never could figure that dude out

Bruce is currently off-line concluding two mega-million dollar contracts and has received six e-mails with offers of ultra high grade cards on America's Toughest Want List. Then it's lights out and . . ;)

Has anyone ever called "them" a glittering jewel of collossal ignorance ? How do you expect to work on your "world class" collection if no collectors will have anything to do with you. Personal attacks and threats should qualify you to be banned from posting if you ask me. Seriously, how many friends can you make in life acting the way "the group" does on this board. They sound quite content to pursue life's endeavours and their world class collection alone....so be it ! :D

You have not failed Barry, Bruce has failed as a mensch.

The "Dorskind Group" has sent me a few scans of "their" collection and I do appreciate the sharing of "their" collection. I do not agree with some of the posts, but take it in stride.

Andrew, I have a card that we have talked of exchanging and I decided long ago that I did not want this card to end up in your collection. This thread goes to further my belief.

Rawn

:confused: Wow of all the times I asked a simple I will keep it would have done. No biggie just don't see why it needed to be thrown out here like I am bad to deal with. Oh well I know you got your reasons. Nothing against you just a bit confused about it.

This just goes to further my point.

Rawn

If you don't like reading Bruce's posts there is an easy way to click on the "ignore" link above and you will never see any of his posts again. If you feel he is amusing or entertaining or interesting, read away.
Bruce I also think you might be surprised to see a lot of members responding differently to your posts if you cut the condescending crap and just discuss baseball cards and the hobby.

Short of threatening emails, hollow lawsuit threats and an ego that would choke a horse, I can safely say Bruce has never really shared that much on this board.

As for this loose term tossed around “museum quality” having a family and friends that have been involved with the Smithsonian for over 30+ years that doesn’t really mean anything. I remember being shown the American History’s display of baseball cards at the age of 14 and thinking wow my stuff is nicer than what they have. Just because it’s left to a museum doesn’t make it valuable they will take almost anything. Museums also very rarely purchase anything if they really were after this stuff on a buying level REA would be a lot tougher. Real museums aren’t after baseball cards…most museums have the same problem more stuff than they can show to the public, and stuff way more valuable than baseball cards sits in back rooms never to see the light of day.

Want to brag about a museum quality collection? Its simple guys draft a will to any museum leaving your collections they will take them. Then you too have a museum quality collection. ;)

What he has done on here is talk about a few items he owns ad nauseum and to attend a Net 54 dinner and pull the ol’ dine and dash.

When the dust settled that evening all parties where there and offering “how much do we owe ya Leon?” Leon and Wonka said we got it…but then everyone said at the same time “anyone seen Bruce?” LOL

Anytime he gets you down just visualize him as this…works for me and it’s not too far from the truth. :)

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...ze/FatNerd.jpg

P.S. Sort of like where's Waldo can you find the Vaseline container in the pic?

vaseline?

I'm still trying to figure where the mullet ends and the back hair begins, and more importantly, Why aint the kitty hiding behind the darn couch.

Welcome to the internet. The modern-day, traveling freakshow. At one time, folks paid admission... We get it FREE!

right behind his butt. :eek:

I also found a cat in that pic:D:D

Anyone see anything else??????

Is that a picture of ex KC Royals first baseman Bob Hamelin?

I belong to another board that isn't collectible related, and this stuff is a MAJOR issue over there. For me, I have basically no collection, but LOVE everyones experiences, knowledge and great items. I don't get it if someone is trying to put himself over others on here, that can't have what he does. If he is making so many negative posts/attacks (I don't search for them, so don't know all of them), maybe he should just stay off here for a while, until he can kind of behave civilly? Just a thought.

I post the following with absolutely no intent of sarcasm (hard to believe, I know).

I think the first step in trying to understand many of Bruce's posts is to understand where he's coming from. I get the feeling that to him, collecting is a very fierce competition -- and he might very well assume that others have the same mind-set.

I've lost track of how many times he has e-mailed or PM'd me with the message, and I'm paraphrasing: "You'll never be an important collector ... " or "Your pathetic attempts to become an important collector ... " or "Our contacts in the hobby dwarf yours ... " The thing is, I have no aspirations to be an "important" collector -- whatever that is -- and have never claimed to be one. Yet Bruce automatically assumes that's the goal of many, and because that's obviously his goal, most everyone else is a competitor.

I think many on this board look at the hobby in a way that's 180 degrees away from how Bruce views it. Hence, when he feels the need to virtually mark his territory, such an act is a foreign one to many within this group.

30 day suspension
 

The other moderators and I took a vote last night about what to do with Bruce. At some point I/we have to make a decision on what is best for the board. It was 3-1 to suspend him. He will be able to come back in 30 days if he wants to. He had an infraction for insults on the board, only 2 mos. ago. That, coupled with thew new rhetoric, was all it took. While I do feel he retaliates, and that retaliation is sometimes warranted, it is just too over the top. There is no reason in the world why anyone would wish anyone's demise on the board. We don't have super heinous crimes committed against individuals. Even if someone scams or steals I don't think death threats are really warranted (though jail time would be). I hope we can get back to talking about cards now. best regards

Kudos
 

A. We fully support the suspension.

B. Competition

I totally agree with this. Collecting baseball cards is not a competition -- even if the pursuit of certain cards is competitive. Obviously, you can make anything a "competition." And Set Registries were a brilliant marketing strategy designed to foster that competition.

The feeling I get is that Bruce is still fighting an imaginary battle against the neighborhood kids that had more Pete Rose rookies in the 1970s. "Oh, yeah? Well look at me now!" And if the cards he has give him a sense of pride, then more power to him.

But when that sense of pride makes him think he is a better collector than someone else -- or makes him boast that has a better collection than someone else -- he crosses the line for most people.

What he seems to never comprehend is that because of his behavior he will never have true admiration from his baseball card peers -- even if he could convince us all that he has a better collection than the rest of us.

Good
 

Leon,
I believe this is a very good thing. Bruce is one of the most self centered ,egotistical (peoples):rolleyes:that I have ever seen. He tends to try and prey on people when they are down offering "the most competitive prices on items" lots of capital blah,blah,blah. I believe he starts these posts as a way to try and feel out what people might have so he can contact them and try and make a deal. I remember when I sold off my cameo pepsins a few years ago Bruce was the first person to email me asking what else I had for sale. I do have many other items in my collection ,I try and share many of my items with pictures on the board but there is a private part of my collection that I just would like to keep that way (private). Im sure it is that way with may others here. Bruces sad attempt at trying to portray himself as one of the "bigboys" in the hobby is just a sad attempt to hide behind what he really is . A fool with a museum quality collection. If you let him back have a short leash because as we know you cant teach an old dog new tricks:D:D

I agree; as the person against whom the Bruces issued their fatwa, I'd take it to the next level if he comes back and boot his sorry butt if he continues to act like a moonbat.

30 days in the slammer? That's an opposite field single. Leon, you need to go for the homerun with this/these Bruce guy(s).

Don't let him/them back until he/they collect(s) a complete near mint 1989 Topps set. That will be so hard on his ego that he/they would never be back.

Rob M.

Exactly. Call me naive but this is still a hobby. When the investment only guys are long gone, the guy with the E93 Pastorius in vg condition willl still treasure his card and more power to him. Most of us here wouldn't swap a great family and friends for all the T206 Wagners in existence. :)

I would do it for (1) Wagner I don't even like my family that much...catch me at the right time and you can have them for G-VG t206 common. :D

Paul made an excellent point that Bruce is fighting an imaginary war. What he doesn't seem to grasp is that other people are not at war with him. The idea doesn't even cross their mind. To me the whole thing is silly.

I think it's "silly" that even you, have begun to refer to Bruce in the plural ("their mind".)


Edited to add: Who else is shocked that there were several "Bruce threads" going on at once yesterday and I didn't play?