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Leon 03-26-2010 07:42 AM

Huggins and Scott winnings
 
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Anyone win anything in Huggins and Scott? It seemed like I was on a dry spell except for the Oxford PC on our BST yesterday. Glad to knock this one off the list...

Kotton King 03-26-2010 08:13 AM

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My one and only winning. And probably one of my last purchases for at least a year (I have one more small card purchase planned). Nothing like home improvements to strain the card budget (or bring it to an absolute halt.)

shammus 03-26-2010 08:16 AM

I lost out on the "Potpourri" of 32 caramel and tobacco cards. I'd really like the e103s out of that group just in case anyone from Net 54 managed to win that group.

I did manage to pick up both the group of 7 e92 Croft's Candy cards as well as the group of 5 t215 Red Crosses though....

Leon 03-26-2010 08:35 AM

and another
 
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But wait there is more :)

I still can't figure out where the other bidder was on this one last night? Three months ago the, almost identical but not quite as nice card, went for almost double what this one did (see link)? I thought I would lose out...

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=12565

barrysloate 03-26-2010 08:38 AM

Leon- you had a big night snagging two top line cards, not to mention the postcard (I'm posting gratuitously now to reach my 2000th post. I can feel it coming).:)

bbeck 03-26-2010 10:44 AM

Leon, the other bidder never showed up? Huggins and Scott is a big outfit, you would think their catalogs would hit all the same bidders.

jujudrum 03-26-2010 11:23 AM

Leon, Congratulations on the two big wins. Top notch material to be sure.

Though i struck out on both nights, i'm pleased to see that fellow Board Members were able to add to their collections.

Hope a nice auction was had by all.

Brian

White Borders 03-26-2010 01:51 PM

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Decided my collection needed a Gehrig :)

iggyman 03-26-2010 02:10 PM

I didn't have a good night either. I somehow managed to snag one lot (# 612...64 1909-1941 Pre-War Baseball Singles with (22) Hall of Famers including Ruth), which I clung-to for dear life. Otherwise, the bidding was out of my league. Darn Canadians and their stout exhange rate :)!!!

Lovely Day...

Rob D. 03-26-2010 03:25 PM

Big surprise:
 
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Leon 03-26-2010 04:16 PM

one more- Felix Mendohlson
 
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I never had acquired an M101-6...so figured this was as good of time as any....and I like catchers garb.

bigfish 03-26-2010 07:17 PM

Leon,
 
The card you picked up was the second one offered for sale after a find so the price would be lower. The first one out there always gets more. A good deal for you. Congrats.

Leon 03-26-2010 07:37 PM

agreed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigfish (Post 793770)
The card you picked up was the second one offered for sale after a find so the price would be lower. The first one out there always gets more. A good deal for you. Congrats.

After more thought I am sure you are correct....and I am happy to be 2nd :)

Rob D. 03-26-2010 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigfish (Post 793770)
The card you picked up was the second one offered for sale after a find so the price would be lower. The first one out there always gets more.

Yep, that's gotta be it.

Epps 03-26-2010 07:52 PM

Who won the Seamless Steel Cobb postcard?

botn 03-26-2010 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Epps (Post 793780)
Who won the Seamless Steel Cobb postcard?

The bidder who came in second.

calvindog 03-26-2010 08:50 PM

Hey, that was me!

Peter_Spaeth 03-26-2010 09:03 PM

Cheapskate!

Epps 03-26-2010 09:09 PM

I had a feeling it was Jeff. Congrats. Thats an amazing card to add to your amazing collection.

Jacklitsch 03-26-2010 10:20 PM

I think Jeff meant that he came in second. :cool:

calvindog 03-26-2010 10:37 PM

Steve, correct. I loved the card but just couldn't rationalize spending 15K for it. Had a hard time rationalizing 13K but some greater force guided my hand to the enter key on my computer.

SethY 03-26-2010 11:37 PM

If anyone won the E98 lot I would love a shot at the Walsh orange background!

rman444 03-26-2010 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 793832)
Had a hard time rationalizing 13K but some greater force guided my hand to the enter key on my computer.


Must have been the flowery description :D

calvindog 03-27-2010 12:23 AM

No, had a flowery description been included I'd still be bidding on the card.

Rob D. 03-27-2010 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 793842)
No, had a flowery description been included I'd still be bidding on the card.

Good job by you waiting for the second one to come around.

Kawika 03-27-2010 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leon (Post 793564)
Anyone win anything in Huggins and Scott?

I picked up this near century-old relic which has endured the decades with well-defined corners and edges along with a precise surface registration and looks old. Inoffensive chipping along the delicate borders proudly frames the clear image of the fearsome Tiger great but so what. The Piedmont advertising reverse is clean and problem-free and doesn't say Reprint anywhere. Modest tobacco-induced discoloration on the obverse prevents an even higher technical assessment if you're keeping score. For the Cobb enthusiast and T205 collector, this premier relic is difficult to match; only 700 graded by PSA with just 200 in a more exalted tier.

http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_...b_piedmont.jpg

thekingofclout 03-27-2010 05:07 AM

Nice Fluff Dave!
 
And a very sweet card! Enjoy it at least as much as Jihadi enjoys his! ;)

calvindog 03-27-2010 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kawika (Post 793857)
I picked up this near century-old relic which has endured the decades with well-defined corners and edges along with a precise surface registration and looks old. Inoffensive chipping along the delicate borders proudly frames the clear image of the fearsome Tiger great but so what. The Piedmont advertising reverse is clean and problem-free and doesn't say Reprint anywhere. Modest tobacco-induced discoloration on the obverse prevents an even higher technical assessment if you're keeping score. For the Cobb enthusiast and T205 collector, this premier relic is difficult to match; only 700 graded by PSA with just 200 in a more exalted tier.

http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_...b_piedmont.jpg

David, keep your day job. Your description did not leave me drooling and begging all of my friends to run the card up, only to be topped by me at the last second.

Jim VB 03-27-2010 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 793878)
David, keep your day job. Your description did not leave me drooling and begging all of my friends to run the card up, only to be topped by me at the last second.



No. It didn't. But it did leave room for that card to be flipped in a future auction of another rival!

Leon 03-27-2010 08:19 AM

btw
 
BTW, I was contacted by the underbidder on the Lindy card I won. He's a very good friend and someone I spend a lot of time with at the National shows. I was also contacted by a few bidders on the Goodwin one. There is no doubt in my mind that the Goodwin auction was completely legit. The 2nd-card-out theory held up on this one......

botn 03-27-2010 08:52 AM

Gosh Leon don't set the record straight now. I just hate when facts get added to the mix it just kills a good ol' Net54 style lynching.

Well there goes this thread...

Leon 03-27-2010 08:58 AM

I know Greg
 
I sort of hated to be a downer......and right when I was going to announce there were actually 3 guys on the grassy knoll!!

calvindog 03-27-2010 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by botn (Post 793905)
Gosh Leon don't set the record straight now. I just hate when facts get added to the mix it just kills a good ol' Net54 style lynching.

Well there goes this thread...

Wait, this thread is not complete until we bash Dave Forman. After all, it's all his fault.

botn 03-27-2010 09:09 AM

Jeff I know you would not represent Dave unless he were completely innocent so really, let's get back to the real problem of the hobby, Goodwin.

calvindog 03-27-2010 09:13 AM

Your wish is my command
 
D304 Mathewson SGC 60:

9/30/09 Huggins & Scott $7,312.50
5/3/09 REA $4,700.00
5/30/08 Goodwin $45,123.50
4/29/07 REA $6,462.50
6/8/06 Goodwin $8,471.86

I represent Dave in civil matters only. And last time I checked, Dave Forman wasn't the target of a two year criminal grand jury probe. And he has never been arrested or convicted of a crime. Let's make a list of the other big names in the hobby to determine if they can say the same.

botn 03-27-2010 09:16 AM

Zzzzzzzzzzz

calvindog 03-27-2010 09:17 AM

In fact, let me start the list. Anyone on Net 54 who has never been charged with a crime, convicted of a crime or ever been a target of a grand jury investigation list their names below:

Me

botn 03-27-2010 09:19 AM

This seems to be your area of obsession so please feel free to fill in the list. Shouldn't you be spending time with your family today?

calvindog 03-27-2010 09:20 AM

Yes, fraud is my obsession along with rooting out criminals in our hobby. Sorry it puts you asleep and sorry you can't add your name to the list.

botn 03-27-2010 09:47 AM

I can add your name to my list however.

calvindog 03-27-2010 09:50 AM

Zzzzzzzzzz

Orioles1954 03-27-2010 10:05 AM

Hey, I was starting to get uncomfortable with folks mocking our writing. Thanks for shifting into a different direction :)

Kawika 03-27-2010 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Orioles1954 (Post 793924)
Hey, I was starting to get uncomfortable with folks mocking our writing. Thanks for shifting into a different direction :)

All in good fun, James (it is James, isn't it?). Didn't mean to come across as mocking. Wish I could write as well. I could quit my day job at the HBYF-MMAL (Hawaii Barnyard Fowl Mixed Martial Arts League). How's that for a direction shift?

Orioles1954 03-27-2010 10:38 AM

No offense taken David :) Although I do try to do a good job as writer, sometimes over floweryness (I know that's not a word!) can take over. When I got hired in 2006, the head writer told me "Try to sound like the New York Times...not the New Yorker". Take care :)

James

sox1903wschamp 03-27-2010 10:40 AM

Nice auction. I was shut out of the pre-war card action but did manage to win some football programs.

bijoem 03-27-2010 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob D. (Post 793856)
Good job by you waiting for the second one to come around.

thats true!

I seem to remember a cool card was offered at auction.... then months later a second one --- a much nicer, SGC 84, came around and went for right around the same money as a crappy, ugly, can't hardly look at it, beater.

I can't remember which card it was though.

Jim VB 03-27-2010 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by bijoem (Post 793937)
thats true!

I seem to remember of a cool card was offered at auction.... then months later a second one --- a much nicer, SGC 84, came around and went for right around the same money as a crappy, ugly, can't hardly look at it, beater.

I can't remember which card it was though.

I seem to recall the much nicer one going for 30% LESS that the ratty, beat up, one.

calvindog 03-27-2010 11:00 AM

Joe, do you remember when that second auction took place? If you can give me a date I might recall the card.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/3176446827/" title="1905 Louis Van Oeyen Real Photo Postcard by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3128/3176446827_deb6327e1d_o.jpg" width="500" height="912" alt="1905 Louis Van Oeyen Real Photo Postcard" /></a>

bijoem 03-27-2010 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 793939)
Joe, do you remember when that second auction took place? If you can give me a date I might recall the card.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/3176446827/" title="1905 Louis Van Oeyen Real Photo Postcard by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3128/3176446827_deb6327e1d_o.jpg" width="500" height="912" alt="1905 Louis Van Oeyen Real Photo Postcard" /></a>




sorry - can't seem to remember the date.

wish I could - it would make it easier to figure out what card it was.

calvindog 03-27-2010 11:37 AM

Hmmm...keep thinking Joe. PS -- how cool is my new signature line?

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<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/3176446827/" title="1905 Louis Van Oeyen Real Photo Postcard by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3128/3176446827_deb6327e1d_o.jpg" width="500" height="912" alt="1905 Louis Van Oeyen Real Photo Postcard" /></a>

Jim VB 03-27-2010 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 793946)
Hmmm...keep thinking Joe. PS -- how cool is my new signature line?

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<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/3176446827/" title="1905 Louis Van Oeyen Real Photo Postcard by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3128/3176446827_deb6327e1d_o.jpg" width="500" height="912" alt="1905 Louis Van Oeyen Real Photo Postcard" /></a>



Personally? I'm offended by it! But that might be just me.

Rob D. 03-27-2010 12:24 PM

What ever happened to Joe?

calvindog 03-27-2010 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim VB (Post 793962)
Personally? I'm offended by it! But that might be just me.

Hey, if you're offended by it please let me apologize. I'd hate to be responsible for derailing this thread.

Rob D. 03-27-2010 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 793965)
Hey, if you're offended by it please let me apologize. I'd hate to be responsible for derailing this thread.

Thank-you note sent.

bijoem 03-27-2010 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob D. (Post 793963)
What ever happened to Joe?



here I am Rob

http://www.internetville.com/stuff/Laj_Smiley_1.gif

barrysloate 03-27-2010 02:14 PM

That's one big smiley!

Rob D. 03-27-2010 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bijoem (Post 793992)

I see blocked people.

Peter_Spaeth 03-27-2010 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 793913)
In fact, let me start the list. Anyone on Net 54 who has never been charged with a crime, convicted of a crime or ever been a target of a grand jury investigation list their names below:

Me

Far more crimes have been committed in this hobby than anyone will ever be charged with or even investigated for, so not sure that is a meaningful category.

calvindog 03-27-2010 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 793997)
Far more crimes have been committed in this hobby than anyone will ever be charged with or even investigated for, so not sure that is a meaningful category.

Well, we have to start somewhere, don't we? Let's at least draw a line between those who have not been investigated or convicted and those who have. And the next group we can identify will be those who live in glass houses and throw stones. And then the next group will be those whose opinions are shaped solely by their financial interests. And sometimes the same people can be in all of these groups at once!

Peter_Spaeth 03-27-2010 02:56 PM

[QUOTE=calvindog;794002]Well, we have to start somewhere, don't we? Let's at least draw a line between those who have not been investigated or convicted and those who have. QUOTE]

IMHO it's a meaningless distinction, in this context. A few people happen to have been investigated for whatever reason, but that hardly says anything about the innocence of the uncharged criminals.

botn 03-27-2010 03:04 PM

A few people have been investigated? Who other than Mastro Auctions? After 2 years one would think a conviction would have been handed down.

calvindog 03-27-2010 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 794008)

IMHO it's a meaningless distinction, in this context. A few people happen to have been investigated for whatever reason, but that hardly says anything about the innocence of the uncharged criminals.

Yes, you're right -- which is why you and me keep posting those wonderfully anomalous Goodwin results.

Peter_Spaeth 03-27-2010 03:15 PM

Greg I really don't know if anyone other than Mastro is a target of the grand jury, I am just guessing they at least looked a little more broadly given the number of subpoenas rumored to have been handed out two years ago. In any event, if they aren't looking hard at card doctoring and are only worried about shill bidding, they are only scratching the surface as I have opined before. (Accuses tries and convicts self of beating a dead horse.)

calvindog 03-27-2010 03:22 PM

Believe it or not, the government has not convened some sort of commission on baseball card fraud; instead, presumably a regional law enforcement office received information about the possible commission of fraud and began investigating it as they would with any report of a crime. They investigate, a grand jury is presented evidence and either an indictment is issued or not. That's it. There is no baseball card czar who decides what happens next to the hobby. I mean maybe after 2012 there will be few areas in our society which are not yet under the purview of the feds but that has not happened just yet.

And indictments sometimes take time, especially if there are a lot of witnesses involved in an investigation. I've had clients indicted days before the five year statute of limitations was to expire; the arguable delay did not affect the determination of their guilt or innocence.

Jim VB 03-27-2010 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 794016)
There is no baseball card czar who decides what happens next to the hobby.

Not in Obama's first term! Maybe after 2012.

calvindog 03-27-2010 03:41 PM

I have it on good information that once Cap and Trade is passed, the baseball card industry will be the next on the list of great ideas to be tackled.

botn 03-27-2010 03:41 PM

Actually it was part of the health care reform bill and Obama will only have one term.

Jim VB 03-27-2010 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by botn (Post 794021)
...and Obama will only have one term.

Not if the GOP decides to get behind Sarah Palin.

Peter_Spaeth 03-27-2010 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim VB (Post 794065)
Not if the GOP decides to get behind Sarah Palin.

Cry, the beloved country.

calvindog 03-27-2010 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim VB (Post 794065)
Not if the GOP decides to get behind Sarah Palin.

Will never happen. A quarter of Republicans won't vote for her if she was the nominee. Will never, ever happen.

joeadcock 03-27-2010 07:45 PM

Got the Pinkertons

Jim VB 03-27-2010 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by calvindog (Post 794080)
Will never happen. A quarter of Republicans won't vote for her if she was the nominee. Will never, ever happen.

From your lips to God's ears.

seablaster 03-28-2010 10:18 AM

I picked up the N28 Comiskey. It will be my first 19th century piece.

I never had the fortune to see a game in the old park, but I was able to attend one at U.S. Cellular a few years ago.

eiturbe 03-28-2010 11:30 AM

I picked the lot of 4 D304 cards, very happy about it, although I paid more than I was hoping to, which means no more cards in a while...

Exhibitman 03-28-2010 12:49 PM

I like applesauce...

IronHorse2130 03-28-2010 03:15 PM

I picked up the lot of 217 '33 Goudeys. I've only been collecting cards for a few years and this is my biggest purchase yet. I never intended to put this set together but the idea of having a vintage set that can be held (raw and ungraded) really appealed to me!


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