T210 collectors unite
 

I noticed that there was a lot of bidding on the T210's that were listed on Ebay this week and part of last week. I didn't win any of the cards I was trying for and was surprised to see the prices reach the level that they did. Have T210's become the new fad set to collect or something? I remember when me and my brother used to regularly buy these for under $10 in any condition just a few years ago. I collect the series 1,3,and 5. I'm curious as to how many members here actually collect T210's. I like the set due to the pictures and poses and the historical aspect of it too.

I think it's a great set and one whose popularity has been increasing during the past 6-12 months.

Rob,

I'm almost afraid to talk too much about it on here. It seems like once a set or card gets some forum action loads of people suddenly take interest. I am half done with series 1 and hope I can finish it sometime in the next couple years. I kind of liked being able to buy a T210 for $10 ungraded in the past. I don't own any graded ones yet. though it is a huge undertaking to try to complete some of the series in this set I like the challenge, and as I stated before I like the history of baseball and I think this set has a lot of historical flare to it. I sometimes wonder if the complete set is actually bigger than most people think.

It is a funny set to collect --I started with the Frankfort team in Series 6. When I completed that team I then became interested the rest of Series 6 . Somewhere along the way I picked up a significant number of Series 2 cards and started to complete that series-the nice thing is other than Stengel and Jackson ( both of which should be in the next REA auction) they are still fairly easy to find. Eventhough most of mine were purchased back when they averaged about $25 I have found many of my cards even today at the range.The history of so many of these players continues to make this an interesting set for me.

graded PSA4
 

The 2 auctions with PSA4 that ended last night was in the range of what I have been seeing for a while. But alot better the the BIN about 1/3 of their prices.

T210s
 

It seems like so many of the pre-war issues are picking up steam on Ebay. Perhaps its the laws of supply and demand. I see a trend upwards on graded material. Maybe we're coming back from the recession.

Ron

I'm In
 

I'm a big fan of T210. I love the look of the cards, and they are the only pre-war set to produce Houston Buffalo cards. As for the prices going up...you know the deal. It only takes two people to drive a price up.

Gotta love collecting The Behemoth !
 

The Behemoth offers all kinds of collecting themes : Series 1-8, Cities, States, Portrait Poses, In Action Poses, Uniforms, Dress clothes, Orange Borders, Fat Borders, Only Minor Leaguers, or even Future Major Leaguers. The list goes on and on and yes, the history is still being written on some of these guys thanks to SABR, and others taking interest in a town, or a player, etc. - I love this set ! Here are a few scarce Seagulls :

T 210's
 

Sitting on 50 from the 8 series, just waiting, I believe this is the up and coming set for all series, Hang on it will more a lot more this year.:)

Great set! Very underpriced still given the rarity of some of the cards in the set. The Jackson is one of the top cards in the hobby.

I think the Old Mill red border cards are a great set. I bid on several of those T210s that were on eBay. I actually thought I might win one of the series 8 cards, but it got beyond me.

Series 2 is a tease. It is easy to pick up a few of those cards, and eventually have quite a few. But there's a bunch of cards in series 2. Completing that series is no minor accomplishment.

If someone 'finds' me a series 6 card of Angermeier fielding, that I'm able to acquire, I'll pay a finder's fee in addition to what I pay for that card.

I won a series 7 last night for $37 have no clue if I overpaid. I liked the pose and had a nice clean back so wanted it for my backs collection and thought it was cool it said series 7. I would advise all t206 back collectors to pick up a t210 for yo ur old mill run!

T206DK: Just want to draw your attention to a really great thread we had about six months ago on the subject of T210s. There is some good commentary and some real mouthwatering scans posted. Love the little suckers myself.
Link: http://tinyurl.com/ykmnek7

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T210s
 

I collect Series 5 as well, which gives me an excuse to say... after 30 years I'm still searching for my great-uncle's card... T210 Eldridge, Greensboro, Series 5.

http://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51...T210Mullen.jpg

I'm going to content myself with a single type card. A great set, though.

Since I haven't been collecting long I wish the cards were still at $10-$25 but even in the two short years I've been looking for Series 1 cards i've noticed a slight increase. I like the T210s for a couple of reasons:

1 - they can be difficult to find and thus there is the thrill of the hunt.
2 - there are regional teams and many of the cities still have minor league teams today.
3 - historial. The majority of these players never made it to the bigs but if you go read the local newspapers of the time you'll see their names in the spotlight.
4 - Newspaper stories. Read the local papers on microfilm. The sports writers had a much better understanding of crafting an article on the game.
5 - Players played. Pitchers pitched both games of a double header and the spitball is king. At the end of the season the fans rewarded the players with proceeded from charity games.
6 - Opening day. Business closed. It was the event of the week. Where else could you see Daredevil Schreyer ride a bicycle down a 110 foot tall ramp and jump into a small pool of water.

I agree with what you said about the local papers. Whenever I have some spare time in Lexington, Ky, I go to the public library. On microfilm they have the daily morning and evening papers from the time. One day I'll piece together a season or so of what happened when the T210s were in those cigarette packs.

The backs...

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Although I don't collect the set, the T210 issue is one of my favorites. Bergen (Mobile, Series 8) is one of the most amazing cards of the era.

Berger, hold the Mayo...
 

Berger : ;)

Richmond Pioneers, the Blue Grass League....

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Thanks for posting the Series 8 Berger, Jeremy! It's been a while since I've seen an example.

I've been looking for the Series 3 San Antonio players for about two years now, and have yet to find any of them. I've seen a few from other Texas League teams, but none from San Antonio :(


Steve

I have been collecting the set for 3-4 years and have over half the set but still a long way to go. It seems like even the raw cards are picking up steam which is discouraging to those collecting and looking for reasonable prices. I lost several graded examples the last couple of weeks even though I thought my bids were safe on some. I'll just keep trudging along. Since I have reached a loggerhead on a couple of sets I am working on where the ones I need never appear, this gives me a chance to continue buying cards.

my lone t210 for now, but I think it is one of the coolest cards in the set. Only horizontal t210...

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...t210%20bre.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn...ze/khulman.jpg
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Really amazing cards the best port cards around IMO, just some real gems in this set.

T210's... United
 

Chris - That Horizontal is one of my favorite T210's as well.
John - The eyes on the Kuhlmann Port are incredible. He's looking into my soul.
Frank - Fantastic row of Pioneers ! I have the Olsen as my Richmond example and I have always thought the Series 6 has some of the best overall poses in the entire Set... Some of my favorites is Goosetree, Yeager, and Chase in that series. Too many to list, but a lot of cool poses.
- All the series offer unique poses, so any type collector can find something that catches the eye...

Great Examples and Fun Thread !

Here you go, Steve D

http://www.oldcardboard.com/t/t210/s...nio-kipp60.jpg   http://www.oldcardboard.com/t/t210/s...blanding60.jpg

Only the one
 

I don't even know why I picked this one pick, it must have seemed like a good price at the time.

What is the name of the horizontal guy?

One of my T210 Portrait cards..

Horizontal T210...
 

John - The Horizontal card is of Ft. Worth Panther, Walter Morris. He was a player/manager...

Love the set, have been slowly working on series 3-

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The 1910 Lexington Colts (and since it's NCAA time, go Cats!!!)


Top row: Guy Badger, 3B; Frank Eddington, P; Charles Ellis, OF; William Haines, C; Heveron, 3B; George Keifel, C.

Bottom Row: Marion Kimbrough, 2B; L'Heureux; Harry Meyers, 1B; Lawrence Sinex, inf; Charles Vallandingham, P; Jim Viox, SS; Hogan Yancey, OF.

In 1910 Lexington had a 67-54 record, good for second place, 10 games behind the pennant winning Paris Bourbonites.

Of these 13, Jim Viox made it up to the majors, he was with Pittsburgh for 5 seasons. His best season was 1913, playing in 137 games he hit .317. Appearing in 506 big league games he hit .278.

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type vs set
 

I am going in so many directions I decided to quit collecting the orange bordered series 3 cards. I did keep the yellow'ish looking dude with the cool coat though. Some cards I just like for their aesthetics...:p

I picked up the Schafer Series 4 and Bussey Series 2. I liked both of them for the poses and hope to continue to pick up more.
That Benny card is one of the coolest cards that I have ever seen. What series is he from?

What an awesome bunch of pictures that have been posted ! Has anyone every broken down the series and made team checklists ?

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Thank you Leon & Lyman for those San Antonio scans :)


Steve

The 13 Old Mill cards of the Winchester Hustlers.... 1910. They finished in 3rd place in the league, 15 games back, with a 61-58 record.


Top row: Ernest Atwell, P; Michael Barney, 2B; Wesse Callahan, SS; Ed Coleman, OF; Cornell; and Eddie Goostree, 3B.

Eddie Goostree, 3B; Newton Horn, C; George Kircher, C; Charlie Mullen, 1B; McKee Reed, OF; Fred Toney, P; and Joe Yeager, OF.


I think Cornell is Lester Cornell of Frankfort. There are 2 Cornell cards in series 6, one Frankfort and one Winchester. Lester Cornell is the only Cornell that appears in the 1910 records.

Wesse Callahan appeared in 7 games for the St. Louis Cardinals in 1913. I think this is his only card. (The #5 1992 Beckett Alphabetical Checklist says there are no cards for Wesley Callahan.)

Charlie Mullen played in 1910 and 1911 for the White Sox, and 1914-1916 for the Yankees. Some lists have card #24 in both years of the Cracker Jack cards as being Charlie, but that card is George Mullin.

Fred Toney had the great 21 inning complete game no hitter in 1909 in the Blue Grass Leauge. He was in the majors for 12 seasons, playing for the Cubs, Reds, Giants, and the Cardinals. He posted a 139-102 record with an ERA of 2.69. He got to the World Series in 1921.

Joe Yeager with that bat has one fine pose. I think that Goostree with the bat is one very difficult card to locate.

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And Dave, Mr. Lipset's Encyclopedia has a great listing of the cards, that has team designations. There are a few typos. I can get you a series 6 list that is correct, send me an email if you want it.

Frank- thanks for sharing. That's the first time I have ever seen the L'Heureux and Heveron cards.
John- Nice cards. Is that Burch the card that just sold on ebay and which I got outsniped? :(

Series 6...
 

Frank - The Cornells look close to me, but not definitive. By the way, here is some boilerplate for you to think about... What Lexington Colt had a gr-grandson who played in the Big's ? (Hint #1) ;)

I was going to say that there's no way those two Cornells were the same guy-the ears, lobes particularly, were actually way different- but now Frank has erased all his posts for the last 10 days or so (way to go, Rob). As for your quiz, Jeremy, best I can do is "Who was Pee Wee Reese's grandfather, Alex?" Hope an answer is forthcoming.

t210 checklist
 

T210... Series 6 Blue Grass League
 

David, you may be my lone audience since Frank has left the building. Let me give a 2nd hint in case Frank logs back on to view as I would like to test his Lexington Colt accumen! A third hint is forthcoming if no taker's and also this great grandson bares the same last name as someone in the Series 6 set.

Hint #1 - What Lexington Colt had a great grandson who played in the Big's ?
Hint #2 - This Lexinton Colt's great grandson also played at the University of Kentucky

I don't know if Frank can log back in Jeremy,it says banned under his name.

T210-6...
 

Ok... Didn't realize he was banned. (Hope that gets straightened out)

Hint #1 - What Lexington Colt had a great grandson who played in the Big's ?
Hint #2 - This Lexinton Colt's great grandson also played at the University of Kentucky
Hint #3 - Longest continuous name in MLB History (20 characters)

Ok... Since Frank is out, I will stop with the suspense and let it fly...

William Van Landingham - Billy played for the Giants for 3 years as a pitcher and I tracked his career a bit, as we are the same age, and I played ball against him numerous times here in Nashville High School and Summer league's. I remember that he gained a little more control at the professional level. (High 80's mph) In High School he was tossing 92-94 mph cheese and he was a bit erractic.

Frank's T210-6 Lexington ball players collage featuring Van Landingham(mispelled on card) reminded me of Billy and that he played at UK, so I guess the apple did not fall too far from the tree.

How in the world do you get "banned" from the Forum? Is this an administrative thing?

administrative
 

Frank and I are discussing some board issues. This was an administrative situation in my mind. Frank was deleting all of his posts. He has posted over 700 times. That would have disrupted the board in an unfavorable way in my opinion. It would have affected thousands of other people's posts and hundreds of threads, no doubt. I am very hopeful he and I get it worked out. I like Frank and think he is a very good board participant. We shall see....best regards

I don't know Frank, never had any communication with him at all, but I
do enjoy reading his posts. He is very knowledgeable about many prewar sets.
I hope is banishment is temporary.

we'll probably need an arbitrator or judge into this matter at some point.

I know that tbob said that he was just over half way there but does anyone know of somebody that has a complete T210 set or is very close to a complete set?

Epps -
 

I know of 2 people with a complete set and 2 other people that are under 20 cards to complete their T210 sets. I also know of maybe half dozen or so that are quietly trotting along and putting the set together as cards come available. This is certainly not a set you can get in a hurry on due to size, and limited scope of the tougher series 8,7, and 6 with some individual toughies in the other series as well. I have collected these for some time and had put a serious dent in the Series 8, but have backed off that idea once I completed my Nashville Subset of 17 cards. I went with a 1 example of each team from all series. That was a fun little venture and not terribly expensive. 52 Teams... Collecting this set for a town or city nearby is the way to go, then moving onto maybe a series or an example of each team. I know some folks just collect the portraits as well. Many themes out there and a lot of fun for sure.

Thanks Jeremy. It would be an amazing accomplishment to complete this set. It would be cool to flip through a binder full of T210's. Just out of curiosity, what do you think a complete set would sell for?

my only 2 t210's...

I like T210 + I like raw cards = I hope Frank will be back soon


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T210 Set prices...
 

Epps - Interesting question. I have never given it an ounce of thought until now. It would take some time to value this thing out as there are just so many toughies through the various series, and with the Joe and Casey, you can set those aside as the Big 2 at $100K+ and $10K+ (Depending on condition) Also, don't let a few fool you as there are a small handful that would sell over $1K+ due to their extreme rarity, like the T210 Moxie Manuel card from Series 8. (He is in the top 5 on most jewish collectors want list) From there I can tell you most Series 8 would range around $90-$145, but a second tier of Series 8 would easily be over $200 each and there are probably 3 or 4 dozen of those...(Same for Series 6 & 7) It would take some time to put a fair value on this entire set. My guestimate without digging in would be $40,000 to $75,000 for the set minus the big 2. (The Joe would make valuing it hard as it could sell for $100K or much much higher depending on condition) You could take those number add in the Joe and Casey and you have a $200,000++ set. If I could have 1 choice : The Joe or the entire set minus the Joe. I would choose the entire set, display that puppy, and sit back and enjoy. 2 cents...

I was thinking around the same thing in todays market. If I remember correctly, I think a complete set sold in the early 1990's for around $13,000. If only I could go back in time...

I seem to remember a lot of around 500 or so different t210's selling for over $150,000 not too long ago. It might have been in an REA or Goodwin auction.

I have compiled team checklists for series 1-6 so far if anyone is interested. they are just simple Word Doc. files. I will be doing series 7 and 8 this week.

series 4 theories
 

does anyone or has anyone speculated that there will be cards found in series 4 of players from Ashville and Parkersburg

Series 4...
 

Interesting Series 4 speculation, Dave. With that series being the smallest with 4 teams, (The rest have 6 teams or more) it would be neat if there was an additional team find, but it just wouldn't make a lot of sense for this to happen, as an example should have surfaced by now. The only way that might happen is if they were meant to be produced, there was a sheet of just that team, and then they did not produce them after the sample sheet, and the sheet got either tucked away or cut and kept somewhere. Highly unlikely, but stranger things have happened. By the way, I see Series 4 has some toughies on many advanced collecters want list. There seems to be a challenge with a handful of guys in that series.

perhaps its the fact that the Virginia Valley League only lasted the 1910 season then disbanded. I could only find the name of one player who played on the 1910 Parkersburg team, so it they might have been overlooked due to obscurity.But then on the other hand , I keep thinking that these were distributed regionally in the West Virginia, Kentucky, Ohio area where the league was located so they would not be obscure in that area of the country. I keep wondering why the whole league isn't representd somehow when it seem all other series have players from all the teams that were in their respective leagues in 1910. We may never fully understand the thought process behind the issuing of these cards.

T210's
 

Keep in mind, that each team represented only has a chosen number of players represented, so while players were chosen, it is likely teams were chosen as well resulting in some players and teams that were left out.

I just looked through the REA archives and in 2006 they sold a lot of 297 cards for about $20,000. That's the largest group that I have ever seen offered as one.

I'm new to this forum, and I have already received a great benefit. I collect (among other things) cards of players born in the State of Washington. Until now I believed there were no cards of Charlie Mullen (B Seattle, 1899). He was the third player from Washington to debut in the majors.

I found this thread while trying to find out if Mullen of Dallas was perhaps Charlie Mullen. Apparently not, but post #40 about the 1910 Winchester team identified the Mullin card as being Charlie Mullen. Baseball-Reference confirms that Charlie did play for Winchester that year. Now I have something specific to find - Charlie's T210. Great!