Authenticity On These Psa Cards
 

I am looking to purchase these cards please advise if these are authentic as I have read there are fake psa holders being sold as real.

The font on the Cobb flip is off.

You forgot the front scan of the Hank Aaron card..........

Let me guess,

1) they were on Craigslist and are from California

or

2) you are trying to sell them?

David

They are from California and I did not see them on Craigslist I am considering buying them but am very cautious

Just a hunch, but I think they are all bogus and would stay away.

Like calvindog said-there seems to be something funny about the letter R on the flips............compared it to 20 different PSA graded cards I have and the letter R on the ones you are showing look different...I am no expert,just bored.......I wish I had that Cobb(minus the holder,that is)..........

Not 100% but if I had to guess and quote Elaine from Sienfeld:

"Fake, Fake, Fake, Fake!"

All of the fake Aaron RCs coming out of California I've seen or heard of have been PSA 6 or 7. As advised by the others, I would avoid these cards like the plague.

Out of curiosity, what is the background story the seller has given you on the cards?

No collection of fake cards is complete without a '33 Goudey Ruth and a '52 Topps Mantle. Ask the seller to dig around - he has them somewhere.

If you are not a veteran collector you should never, ever sink the kind of money into what those cards will cost you. Scammers prey on people with lots of money and little knowledge. This looks like the kind of deal that can only have an unhappy ending.

Condition
 

One of the things that bothers me about these cards is the condition. Look at the right border on the MJ card. There is quite a bit of chipping. No way that this card would grade a 10. Also, and it is difficult to tell because of the scans, on the back of the MJ the bull does not seem to be real sharp, which happens on fake cards.

An 8 for the Cobb also worries me. The back is stained, and from the back view, take a look at the right corners. Way too sharp.

I have had to walk away from several deals that included a fake Jordan. If this was my deal I would walk away from this one also.

Rick

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Real Vs Fake PSA Holder
 

There was a discussion a while back about the slight differences in fonts between a real PSA holder and the fakes on some of the high end cards you've noted. It is hard to spot. It was noted that the spacing between the letters was narrower on fakes. The "0's" also seemed to be a different width and as Jeff noted above the top loop in the R's was different.

Here are two scans of the T206 on a real flip and the one you posted above. Sorry about the poor quality scan but you can still see the difference in spacing between the letters. Maybe someone can post a better quality "real" T206 and it will be easier to see the difference.

The real T206 flip is below; for some reason I can't post bitmap images. Leon or Matt will have to convert the other image and post.

Real Vs Fake PSA Holder
 

And here is the T206 lettering in the holder you posted above.

I have a few PSA cards that were slabbed in the mid 90s. Font was different back then too. Very different.

those cards are old news
 

those are the Craiglist Fakes from about (8 months ago)....

very poor Flips IMO...dont see how someone got taken.....

could be the seller got screwed, and he is just trying to screw someone back and recoup som eof his losses....

The spacing on the serial numbers is slightly too close.

I would follow the 5-second rule used in the art world, if you aren't sure after five seconds that it's the real thing, assume it isn't.

PSA does need to confront its security issues. While I suppose anything can be replicated with enough effort, it seems to me that holograms, which they used until perhaps the early 2000s, might help.

This is another Cobb PSA label. I had this graded in California at a show on site grading late 1990's.

Joe

I agree, Peter, but the problem is, what do you do with the millions of PSA cards already in the markeyplace? Changed slabs, holograms, a unique font for the labels, would have been great ideas years ago, but now... a little late.

(By the way, this discussion isn't unique to PSA. Any grading company making visible changes faces the same issues.)

You guys have to remember that PSA is making plastic slabs for cardboard -- not weapons-grade plutonium. Adding any extra security measures which they believe are not cost-effective is not going to happen. Everyone sends their cards into PSA anyway...I don't expect any significant change coming into effect.

And frankly, it took me a millisecond to note that the flips were off on the cards posted in this thread. Incredibly, the thieves can make great looking fake cards but they can't create a good, fake flip as well?

Fake PSA Flip
 

Thanks Joe. That is what I was trying to show for comparison purposes. The font spacing is tighter on the Craigslist fakes than on the real PSA flips, even though everything else (aside from the obvious type font changes over the years) seems almost right.

Would anyone pay more to grade high end cards for a "more secure" flip & holder on your high end cards? This may result in more comfort to a potential buyer when the cards are eventually resold. I probably would on the high end cards I had graded. But offerring this option from grading companies would be an admission that there is a problem.

These kinds of threads scare me. I guess when you buy a high priced item - trust in the seller is very important. I now see the fake flips. I didn't at first... I will say - PSA slabs seem the easiest to crack/reuse.

Fake cards are getting way too good also.

Only a matter of time before they focus on that. Holograms cannot be that expensive, they used them regularly for the first 10 years.

On any card worth over 100.00 or 250.00 they could include a small serial number card with a scan of front and back, it would be another step but they could include an extra small fee, or just a LOA with a scan of front and back, but I suppose those could be forged as well.

What I find the most amazing about this is that the Poster has only posted 3x's (all 3 on this thread) and everyone here is willing to just explain in minute detail how to correct the already fraudulant PSA flips. This way he can remake the flips over and over till he gets it right and then what?????:eek:

Isn't that how we learn about our cards. We ask and ask till it becomes ingrained and we can spot a fake a mile away. We learn from the best in our hobby and that knowledge is passed on and on to help.

So if we give these people what they need to learn how to fool us then isn't that like shooting yourself in the foot on purpose to see if it actually leaves a hole to see through.

It just concerns me about this kind of thing. Especially since he is a first time Poster/ect. This is just IMO

There is only so much you can do when it comes to these idiot crooks. What comes around goes around and eventually they will get what's coming to them. The sad thing is if these people would use the talents and skills they have to make an honest buck they would probably be quite successful, but instead will most likely end up squealing like a pig in a prison cell sooner or later and rightfully so.

You have a great point Andrew
 

I hate to admit it,but I seem to have trouble identifying fake flips (PSA) from legit ones.Usually when I buy PSA graded cards on Ebay(T206),I try to buy mostly from well known legit dealers(like tbarlage,for example).But I am learning alot from reading the board-and I appreciate all of the knowledge everyone on the board is so kind to share-thank you!!

I despise these fraudulent thieves who re-holder fake cards,make fake flips,doctor,alter,trim cards for the sole purpose of lining their pockets with their victims' hard earned cash.

It sucks to know these people cast a cloud over such a wonderful hobby.

Thank you to all of the card sellers who only sell legit!!!!!

Bgs/bvg
 

As much as I despise Beckett, I have not heard of anyone being able to tamper with/replicate their holders...

Send an altered card in and get a case back to start. Fake card or altered high dollar card next. BGS/BVG flips do not look that hard to duplicate as PSA's. Seal it and sell. Thing is BVG will not bring the most money for a card. This is why PSA seems to be the target.

Has anyone seen a fake SGC slab or flip??? I would love to see that if there is one.

Bgs/bvg
 

holders are damn near impossible to crack and reuse and finding a cheap imitation of their holder would be much harder than PSAs, I reckon...

Pat I was saying like with any other grading service if you send a card in for grading and don't want it holdered if it is Authentic they will send you the holder back with the card. Got one back with a 56 Topps Robinson I had done several yrs back. All I need is a fake flip and a card and I am in. 1 card can be enough for the time being. Or maybe send in 3-4 with a larger order of crap cards and 3-4 fakes can be made for a few $. Sorry if I was unclear about this.

The Cobb card is very interesting and worth studying. Not only is it highly probable that the flip has either been completely faked or doctored (as discussed in several previous threads) but, as some have mentioned, the card looks to be altered as well. Not only does it appear to be trimmed but if you look at the back there is "a chance" that it has a rebuilt corner as well...top left on the back.

This caught my eye; the edge chipping on the back left side runs up to the point where there is a slight shadow. It then turns inward. On a good rebuilt corner a shadow will sometimes be seen under a halogen when angled at just the right position. Here is an example from the rebuilt corner page on my website:

http://www.alteredcards.com/images/rebuilt_arrow3.jpeg

The Cobb back is tough to tell because the scan is somewhat small. I took the corner and increased the image size and tried to get the correct color shading to make it easier to see...still tough though.

<img src='http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/1751/cobbcorner1.jpg' border='0'></a><br/>

Not only does the chipping stop at the suspected shadow (dark line) with a blatant inward turn, the top edge also is shadowed to the point where a suspected rebuilt corner may begin.

Is that corner rebuilt? Hard to tell, it could just be reshaped to sharpen the corner but it is certainly something to consider. It would be great to see in person.


Kevin Saucier
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Credit goes to our division director here at Heritage Auctions Sports Collectibles division Chris Ivy for spotting this: the serial number of the Cobb t206 in question was actually lifted from a card we sold in our October 2009 Signature Auction. Here's the link:

http://sports.ha.com/common/view_ite...o=81002&src=pr

It's obviously pretty apparent that it is not the same card.

Wow, great work!

I just got an email from a guy named "ray rod jr"
email address: kalmanweiss1951@yahoo.com
Ebay user ID: cardboardtreasures311

He just offered to sell me the cards at 75% SMR. He emailed me through Ebay, so I have his Ebay id and his email address. The cards he sent in the scan are the exact ones you guys are questioning. I am going to notify Ebay that he is emailing Ebay sellers trying to sell phony cards.

Fake PSA
 

Wow great job guys.

Chris,

Go one step further and alert the FBI and the local police in the seller's area. Even if he isn't arrested, if the police or FBI show up at his door or make it known they are on to him, it might do some good.

David

P.S.

Also, since this was ripped off from a card that Heritage sold, eBay might take more interest IF Heritage talks to them about this or if the real owner of the Cobb card steps up and says something. PSA might become more interested as well.

Tell him you'd like to pay by check and you need his address. Then send the address to the FBI/Police.

Just got his contact info
 

I asked him if he would accept postal money orders, if so to send me his mailing address for payment.
He replied:"Yes I will accept postal money orders. do you have a SMR and do you know what the total is. i think the aaron books at 18k and the Jordan 6k and the cobb 14k total 38k so 75% would be 28k for all three cards. I will accept 28 postal money orders for 1k each let me know if that is cool with you. my address is

Raymud Rodriguez Jr
1674 Palm Ave #80
San Diego CA 92154"

I then contacted PSA directly, they asked me to forward the images and our correspondence (which I did). They said that the operations manager would be looking into this as soon as the emails were received.

original poster
 

I have made a phone call and am very comfortable that the original poster in this thread is not a scammer but is helping all of us. I sincerely hope hope these fraudster(s) get their dues......best regards

This get's a little creepier. I was wondering why a Raymud Rodriguez would have an email address of "KalmanWeiss1951." Sounded like someone's given name, and perhaps a not particularly common one (at least the first name, Kalman). So I googled Kalman Weiss and found a Kalman Weiss who was born in 1951. Matches the email address. Here's where it gets creepy. He passed away one month ago on November 3, 2009. His Ebay ID was changed on November 2nd.

that is spooky... can't wait to read more on this. Great work guys.

creepy is right
 

Sounds like Mr.Rodriguez needs to have a "sit-down" with the SDPD,for a lot of reasons.Then,after Mr.Rodriguez finishes explaining himself,he needs to be fitted with some shiney new custom fitted silver locking bracelets,and led away to his new home,the county jail.Fry this dirtbag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stealing a dead person's i.d. is reprehensible...and my grandfather's brother's name was Kalman. It's an old fashioned name not seen too often today.

I am glad to hear this. I am also glad to hear that Chris found this guy and is going to turn him over to be prosecuted (hopefully)

YOU SORRY net54 posters. you will never catch the guy behind this NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. you think that address is legit. you got another thing comming. I strongly recomend you guys shut your mouths and just deal with the poison that has struck PSA and the hobby hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahaha hahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahah CATCH THE GREAT ONE IF YOU CAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH and one more thing you dushbags should know I read this board all the time and the CU bord for many years. i read all the post almost everyday. so if you dushbags think we dont know who you are. you got another thing comming. catch me if you can dush bags lololololololololololololololololololololololololh aqhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahah i enjoyed taking all you dushbags money over the years.

That would be "douchebag." But if you google "Dush" and check its definition this will all make more sense to you.

That would also be "board", "don't", "your", and "coming." And I'm pretty sure you hacked up something nasty while laughing hysterically.

Can someone wake the moderator and ban this guy.

P.S. Seriously, google Dush. It made my night.

Guy should get banned for his spelling alone.

ok then
 

So first of all he's been banned but could creep back in. Nothing he has written is that terrible it's really more immature than anything else. And since this idiot that can't spell wants to have a little hunt lets start out with this contact information and see where we can take it. Of course with subpoena'd records we could go to his ISP and find out for sure but unless he does something really bad that won't happen...but he registered on October 19, 2009 with this info:


username vintage classiscs
name Edwin Arroyo
phone number 561 372 2329

edwin20099@yahoo.com




and the initial email upon registration was this information....no different but the more the merrier.....I will be speaking with the FBI today about this too...just to get some thoughts....



There is a new user, vintageclassics at Net54baseball.com Forums
To view their profile, go here:
http://www.net54baseball.com/member.php?u=4885
Email Address : edwin20099@yahoo.com
Birthday : May 31, 1990
Referrer: N/A
IP Address: 189.220.48.177






his IP addresss is 189.220.48.177

Address
 

From Google Maps, it looks like address goes to a mobile home park in San Diego.

Zach
 

thanks....I have a feeling this idiot isn't as smart as he thinks he is... :D:D This might even help in the other investigation too...

Address
 

Leon, we posted at the same time. My comment was relegated to the address for Ray Rodriguez....not the Vintage Classic poster. Ray appears to be in San Diego...the other appears to be in FL by the phone prefix.

Just a hunch.....maybe this is the same guy....certainly fits his spelling ;).

I knew it
 

I knew I had a conversation with this idiot....here is an email string from he and I from about a month and a half ago....emails aren't really allowed to be posted except in extraordinary cases and cases to expose fraud...


Please overlook my informal writing style, spelling and punctuation..they were emails!! :). And it went from the bottom up on these....I didn't answer this last email.....




<HR tabIndex=-1>From: Edwin Aaroyo [mailto:edwin20099@yahoo.com]



what if i take a picture with the card with a piece of paper with your name on it and todays date email it to you personaly will that work?






<HR SIZE=1>From: Leon Luckey <LEONL@FLASH.NET>
To: Edwin Aaroyo <EDWIN20099@YAHOO.COM>
Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 1:25:04 PM
Subject: RE: my info



<SCRIPT type=text/javascript defer>if (typeof YAHOO == "undefined") { var YAHOO = {};}YAHOO.Shortcuts = YAHOO.Shortcuts || {};YAHOO.Shortcuts.hasSensitiveText = true;YAHOO.Shortcuts.sensitivityType = ["adult"];YAHOO.Shortcuts.doUlt = false;YAHOO.Shortcuts.location = "us";YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_id = 0;YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_type = "";YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_title = "RE: my info";YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_publish_date = "";YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_author = "leonl@flash.net";YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_url = "";YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_tags = "";YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_language = "english";YAHOO.Shortcuts.annotationSet = {"lw_1256593424_0": {"text": "leonl@flash.net","extended": 0,"startchar": 1954,"endchar": 1968,"start": 1954,"end": 1968,"extendedFrom": "","predictedCategory": "","predictionProbability": "0","weight": 1,"relScore": 0,"type": ["shortcuts:/us/instance/identifier/email_address"],"category": ["IDENTIFIER"],"wikiId": "","relatedWikiIds": [],"relatedEntities": [],"showOnClick": [],"context": "was able to add to my collection From: Leon Luckey \u003cleonl@flash.net\u003e To: Edwin Aaroyo \u003cedwin20099@yahoo.com\u003e Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 12:11:16","metaData": {"visible": "true"} },"lw_1256593424_1": {"text": "Luckey","extended": 0,"startchar": 3506,"endchar": 3511,"start": 3506,"end": 3511,"extendedFrom": "","predictedCategory": "MUSIC-ARTIST","predictionProbability": "0.190545","weight": 0.448655,"relScore": 1.92023,"type": ["shortcuts:/us/instance/place/us/town"],"category": ["PLACE"],"wikiId": "Luckey,_Ohio","relatedWikiIds": [],"relatedEntities": [],"showOnClick": [],"context": "tured it into a bash fest of me. From: Leon Luckey \u003cleonl@flash.net\u003e To: Edwin Aaroyo \u003cedwin20099@yahoo.com\u003e Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009","metaData": {"geoArea": "1.79554","geoCountry": "United States","geoCounty": "Wood","geoIsoCountryCode": "US","geoLocation": "(-83.486618, 41.451038)","geoName": "Luckey","geoPlaceType": "Town","geoState": "Ohio","geoStateCode": "OH","geoTown": "Luckey","geoZip": "43443","type": "shortcuts:/us/instance/place/us/town","visible": "true"} },"lw_1256593424_2": {"text": "leon@net54baseball.com","extended": 0,"startchar": 4564,"endchar": 4585,"start": 4564,"end": 4585,"extendedFrom": "","predictedCategory": "","predictionProbability": "0","weight": 1,"relScore": 0,"type": ["shortcuts:/us/instance/identifier/email_address"],"category": ["IDENTIFIER"],"wikiId": "","relatedWikiIds": [],"relatedEntities": [],"showOnClick": [],"context": "Aaroyo [mailto:edwin20099@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:52 PM To: leon@net54baseball.com Subject: my info username vintage classiscs name Edwin Arroyo phone","metaData": {"visible": "true"} }};YAHOO.Shortcuts.headerID = "b220c88c6768ae6d915869a452ed7252";</SCRIPT><META content=off http-equiv=x-dns-prefetch-control><STYLE type=text/css>DIV {MARGIN:0px;}</STYLE>

scamming might work on Craigs list but not so much advanced chat boards. All of your actions, including your antics on the CU boards, are all red flags....you see, we too have been doing this a long, long time.....What you did is NOT the way real collectors act......We all like to show and tell but what you did was scam.....or at least try to. you should be ashamed of yourself...and if anyone got burned you would be turned over to the police....If you have a nice Ruth card prove it...get todays newspaper....and hold up the card with that paper and date and you in it...then we will know...and the card has to have a close up...as those fake holders just won't cut it...

<HR tabIndex=-1>From: Edwin Aaroyo [mailto:edwin20099@yahoo.com]

Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 3:03 PM
To: Leon Luckey
Subject: Re: my info

ok thats fine if you dont belive me but that is what I thought message boards were about to share your experiances with the collecting community. My experiance was real and I have a nice Ruth card i was able to add to my collection




<HR SIZE=1>From: Leon Luckey <LEONL@FLASH.NET>
To: Edwin Aaroyo <EDWIN20099@YAHOO.COM>
Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 12:11:16 PM
Subject: RE: my info



<STYLE type=text/css>DIV {MARGIN:0px;}</STYLE>

because I don't believe you

<HR tabIndex=-1>From: Edwin Aaroyo [mailto:edwin20099@yahoo.com]

Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 1:59 PM
To: Leon Luckey
Subject: Re: my info

Leon why have exposed my name and my email on your message board. I have done nothing to warrant this kind of action. I really had a experiance and met with the seller and saw his cards and made a great purchase. I thought net54 was about sharing your experiances in the hobby. That is all i was doing. you tured it into a bash fest of me.




<HR SIZE=1>From: Leon Luckey <LEONL@FLASH.NET>
To: Edwin Aaroyo <EDWIN20099@YAHOO.COM>
Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 6:14:49 PM
Subject: RE: my info



<STYLE type=text/css>DIV {MARGIN:0px;}</STYLE>

ok..you are all set

thanks
leon

<HR tabIndex=-1>From: Edwin Aaroyo [mailto:edwin20099@yahoo.com]

Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:52 PM
To: leon@net54baseball.com
Subject: my info

username vintage classiscs
name Edwin Arroyo
phone number 561 372 2329

Steve you were right. He actually mispelled a laugh. How do you do that? Must have had something in his mouth:D

"catch me if you can dush bags lololololololololololololololololololololololololh aqhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha"

His idiotic posts from last night appear to be revenge because you did not believe he had those Babe Ruth cards.

IP Address
 

If you search his IP address you find it came from:
IP Information - 189.220.48.177
Country Mexico Mexico
Country Code MX
Region Baja California
City Tijuana
Latitude 32.5333
Longitude -117.0167

Upon further search of the L & L there is an address that came up:
1. Rosario Castellanos 10501, Zona Urbana Río Tijuana, Tijuana, BC, Mexico

I have already forwarded all our correspondence to PSA along with the IP address! Hopefully someone can catch this guy!

He is back and changed his eBay user ID. Still selling plenty of fakes and apperantly relisting cards with stolen scans as soon as they sell.

Completed Auctions

New user ID
 

This guy is now selling on ebay using the id "thevintagecardexpress2009"

I purchased a card using best offer and he claims his paypal and moneybooker accounts can't be used due some improper chargebacks he received. So he want me to mail him a M.O. or cashiers check.

His feedback is 100% with 78 ratings. All of his buying feedback comes from items that cost $1-2 with free shipping. He has a few low dollar sales and one big one. He has a lot of high end cards listed right now and is listing more daily and has sold a few high dollar cards.

He's using the following contact info, including phone #:

raymud rodriguez jr
1674 plam ave #80
San Diego CA 92154

201 598 5601

kalmanweiss1951@yahoo.com

-Alan

Looks like his "thevintagecardexpress2009" account is now getting negative feedback for the stolen scans.

yeap
 

His last 7 transactions were all negative. You would sort of think ebay would take a look at this but who knows. And don't forget to look at the telltale signs he uses in the descriptions. Scammers know how to make all of those fancy little idiotic symbols ie... L@@K ,. WOW, bang, whiz...crap...

BTW, I do know some law enforcement was looking into this. I just (probably) won't know the outcome. Hopefully he gets his dues and I am confidant that one way or the other he will. It's that "what comes around goes around" thing....


http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...ab=AllFeedback

Alan,

I think you mean "1674 PalmAve".

This is technically San Diego but most people around here call it Imperial Beach. The address is located very close to a huge trailer park, or perhaps it is in the trailer park. I go to Imperial Beach quite frequently. Has this dirt bag screwed anybody on this board? If so, let me know.

Oddly enough, the area code for the phone number provided is for New Jersey...

Psa
 

Google Maps shows this address being in the trailer park.

All the negative feedback is gone now.....

Not sure how he got rid of the negative feedback.... I sent a policy violation e-mail to ebay and still haven't heard back.

Fred, I copy and pasted his address, but Palm is probably correct.

-Alan

Received 2 e-mails from ebay:

#1
Our records show that you recently contacted or received messages from thevintagecardexpress2009 through eBay's messaging system. This account was recently found to have been accessed by an unauthorized third party, who may have used the account in an attempt to defraud other members.

We've taken action to restore this account to the original owner, but wanted to let you know to be suspicious of any communication you may have received from them.

#2
We're writing to let you know that the listing for the following item you bid on has been removed:

220531482469 - 1933 GOUDEY BABE RUTH PSA 2 #53 WOW L@@K!!!!!!

We removed the listing and canceled your bid because it appears that the seller's account was used by someone without the seller's permission. The seller's selling privileges might be temporarily suspended while we investigate. Because of privacy concerns, we can't share more details.

We canceled this listing to protect you and the member whose account was used without permission.

Great!!! Sounds like eBay just VALIDATED this scam artist.

He lists THE SAME cards over and over again. eBay comes in and NOW takes the Ruth out (which the seller had listed before and said NOTHING about his account being hijacked) and also has his negative Feed back removed.

So NOW the scam artist has 100% Feed Back and can say his listings are legit because eBay fixed the problem with the Ruth he had listed (multiple times).

I would LOVE to have the money to bid on and buy one of the OTHER cards he has listed (but probably doesn't own). Then, when he has problems delivering that card, I could sue him for not delivering on his contract and eBay for validating him as a seller and backing him when he said he has these cards.

great...
 

Great...so the scammer gets validated by the idiots running ebay. He might fool them but I doubt he will fool law enforcement/FBI folks......who I believe are probably looking into this.

Scamed
 

I sent ray rod $$ for a babe ruth card. I wish I had seen this forum before doing that. I have not heard from him and have not received my card and after reading all the threads about him I doubt I ever will. I'm going to file a complaint with E-Bay and file a mail fraud form as well since I sent him the cash in a postal money order. Not sure what recourse I have for recovering my money. Does anyone have any suggestions?

Did you complete the transaction via an ebay sale or did you make a deal "off" of ebay? In either case, it doesn't look good.

It was an E-Bay transaction.

If you sent a USPS money order, get with your Postmaster ASAP and see what they can do. (They do like nailing guys involved in mail fraud. It is a Federal offense.)

And now he is no longer a registered user. Saw that one coming. Wonder if ebay can be liable since they aided the seller in allowing him to have his perfect feedback restored?

Frank,

I bet there's some small print somewhere that exonerates ebay so that they are not, in any way, responsible for this. Two good things going for you: it's an ebay transaction and (I'm not sure this is good, but...) you'll have the USPS on your side. When did you send the M.O.? Did you send the M.O. registered or tracked? If you just mailed recently perhaps it has yet to be delivered and you can contact the Post Master nearest you and see if they can do something to intercept the payment.

Good luck!

Fred,
You are probably right about the small print. But as a potential buyer, I'm sure someone would have been a little more reluctant to send couple thousand dollars via money order to a seller with an 86% positive feedback rating as opposed to someone that had 100% due to ebay removing the negative entries to increase their percentage. I know I would be livid if I knew that a couple hours earlier someone had that low of a feedback rating and when I looked at their auction they now had 100%.

I just hope the buyer is able to get his funds back. I'm not sure how much help ebay will be since he didn't use paypal to complete the transaction.

Never send funds to someone you don't know via money order or wire transfer. Western Union and eBay repeatedly post on their sites, yet optimists either don't read or ignore the warning.

Fraud link on the Western Union homepage: http://www.westernunion.com/info/fra...country=global. Quote: "Never send money to a stranger using a money transfer service."

Ray Rod just wrote back saying he is going to make good on the Ruth card.