Goodwin Pickups
 

How'd y'all do last night? I think I stole this:
http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotImage...ot02a_med.jpeg

Matt, I feel fairly certain that no bidder does any stealing in a Goodwin auction. For example, two cards I kept an eye on: one sold for $3500 in Mastro in December 06 and went for over 10K last night; another went from $4500 in a May 2008 Mastro auction to $7200 last night. If only those darn folks at Mastro during heated economic times could market like Goodwin in a down economy!

Calm down Jeff. Maybe you'll get "another shot" at those exact cards in an upcoming auction!

I think the fact that there is no sales history for this one contributed to keeping the price way down. Given the true rarity, the fantastic aesthetic and the fact that it depicts Babe Ruth, I expected it to go for multiples of what it closed at. It's possible that had I left a ceiling bid, it would have. :)

Not just Goodwin ... Greatwin.

And now that there is history... you never know what will happen in future auctions.

I'm not anticipating any future auctions :)

Too bad. I hear that's where the real money is made.

Jeff - I'm actually surprised SGC crossed that one over; it has some pretty noticeable issues on the back.

For purposes of comparison, I've added one of mine on the right:
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/6070/indycobbb.jpghttp://lh5.ggpht.com/_pAhpQ3jIX9M/Sm...00/image-7.jpg

Goodwin pickups
 

Goodwin pickups? I am waiting for them to be sold again.....2nd or 3rd times are usually a charm....

Matt, you have a problem with multiple instances of paper loss? I guess the winner values paper loss because it seems to have driven up the value of the card by 200% in just a couple years.

Jeff - if that's what that card is worth with PL, imagine what it's worth with a full back!

Maybe they thought it was Jeber's Gold Medal.

I don't know about that strategy Leon. It seems the prices climb pretty hard with each resale. You could get killed taking this course of action.

;)

Jim
 

You might be right. It might be that the 4th time we see the same thing for sale is the charm? I've been known to be wrong before.... :confused:

Nah, eventually the cards actually sell, at a lower and sometimes much lower price.

Jim, if there was a National this week you could probably get them at a deep, deep discount.

Woops, I best shut my mouth, I don't want to get banned again.

Leon - did you finally get your d303 wagner?

nope
 

hey Richard
I am waiting for the 4th time it sells...

You guys are too funny.

It is a great card that I was tempted to try to win back, but then I remembered why I parted with it in the first place and pursued a card with a different front and not just a different back.

Having 5 wagner battings staring up at me is not fun anymore.

Richard, it might be funnier if you receive a call next week from Bill Goodwin telling you that the "winner" of the D303 Wagner didn't pay for the card and you can have it for the underbidder price.

I was wondering why even though we have, by far, the largest community of pre-war card collector's anywhere, I am the only one to have claimed to have won anything in last night's auction...

Maybe it depends upon your definition of the word "won."

I have never had any problems with Bill's auctions and have always received my consignment checks paid in full in a timely manner. I have never received an offer to purchase when I have been an underbidder on an item.

That's my experience with Bill, which is really all I can really comment on.

I won the W600 Wagner, and if the previous owner would have just sold it to me directly it would have saved me from eating more ramen :D

Richard, if I were you I'd run out immediately and buy a lottery ticket.

I always get my checks for consignments.

I also won something last night.

My experience has always been positive.

Nice pickup on the W600. You need more Wagner cards!!! :D

I won a card last night. I also had a top all on it and it did not get close. I have never been concerned about placing a top all in Bill's auction. I also consigned material. Some of which went well beyond what I expected and others did not do so well. I was contacted this morning by someone who won one of my items which I felt did not do well. The winner told me a top all was placed on the item 2 bids higher than the final bid.

For some reason "Borat" poped in to my mind when reading the above quote!:cool:

Brad - I really appreciate you posting that as I was sitting here for the last hour wondering "What does Brad thing about this thread...Does it make him happy? angry? sad? or does it make him thing of Borat?"

Thanks for clearing that up for me; I suspected the answer might be Borat but now I know for sure.

Hmmm....sounds like you guys are conspiring on this thread.

Hmmm... Lets keep on topic!:)

I was gonna make a run at the Agulitas Oscar Charleston, but it was outta my sights before I even started! >8k with a pinhole! Damn.

Actually Bill is lining all of our pockets with all of that extra money he is making with the record setting un-shilled bids in his auctions.

Have you seen his bidding records?

I was outbid on that one as well. The last time that card sold in Ryan Christoff's auction, it went for over $10,000.

You guys need to have more staying power. :D

Darn those pesky voices inside your head. Such a distraction, aren't they? Well, tell everyone I say hello.

Just curious, but for the uninitiated, what items has Goodwin sold multiple times in the past? Is this a frequent issue?

Hey Matt,

Amid all of the puerility of this thread, this really is a nice pickup. Congrats!

jeff- take it easy! :p

Fraud isn't puerile.

Goodwin
 

It is interesting that certain people target certain auction houses while a certain auction house stays out of the line of fire. If you are going to poke and investigate every card in Bill's auction, why don't you do the same for all the auction houses? Or you could just use your time doing something else more fun? Just a thought. Too much negative press here all the time. I have never had an issue with getting paid in Bill's auction. My topple bids don't get run to the top and stop short. I will only leave a topple bid in Goodwin. Cards get re auctioned all the time from all auction houses. It is the way things are going these days. My 2 cents.

So true but was hoping to see more pickups. Maybe it's true :rolleyes:

Which auction houses are kept out of the line of fire?

Let me count them: REA, Sloate (RIP), B & L, Huggins & Scott.

Those in the line of fire: Mastro/Legendary, Mile High, ML, Goodwin.

Are the two groups at all different to you?

I have had nothing but positive experiences in Bill's auctions; he is a pleasure to work with. I won two lots last night, the American Caramel Ruth and the Num Num set, both at under my max bids. I also know the winner of four of the Leaf football lots, including the $71,000 Luckman. Those were real wins by a real person.

There seems to be a problem with goodwin's shipping department... did anyone else NOT get a catalog? :cool:

Brad,

Bill is out to get you. Just ask those voices. If you want I can send you my catalog.

Greg

Is this post real enough for you now?
 

As a previous Consignor you'd think getting a catolog wouldn't be too much trouble, right? Well, I've had previous issues with goodwin regarding costomer service, no email replies and late payment on consigned goods.

Weeks after the auction I posted a thread asking if anyone got paid/no catolog. Only then did goodwin respond... Did everyone else get a catalog this time? hmmm...:cool:

Hi Toby- hope you are well. They are "top all" bids, not "topple." But I did get a chuckle out of it.:)

barry,
 

hello,

I like topple better. Makes no sense but I like it. Hope you have another auction soon.

toby- send me my scan!

Jeff - Your list is flawed!

Dan
 

Thank you. Scan on the way. Call me if you need to.

dan--email address please?

I never get Goodwin catalogs
 

And I've known Bill for a long long time

I just like reading them ;)

Regards
Rich

Hi Toby- if you like "topple", that's cool.

Hello there,

From time to time we do run the same card in multiple auctions. Sometimes it could be due to financial hardship for the winning bidder and they re-consign it OR the item no longer fits in their collection and they re-consign it with us down the road. It's certainly nice to work for an auction house where we don't have to worry about such things which have been previously mentioned in this thread.

James

Dan, then why not add your thoughts!

You can fool some of the people all of the time.

Peter, they're not fooled; they're consignors.

1952 Topps Pafko Black Back PSA 5. All 'sales' over the past 12 months:

8/19/09 eBay $599.00
7/27/09 eBay $462.88
6/10/09 eBay $710.01
4/1/09 eBay $733.00
2/13/09 Goodwin $2,397.00
12/20/08 eBay $814.12
11/14/08 Goodwin $5,294.55

Even Broadway Rick could only get $462 for this card!

Volatile market. :D

Volatile??? With that kind of spread, you could either make a killing, of just get killed, in a Pafko Futures Market.

Where's Crandall when we need him?

Yes, the market seemed to get very volatile a couple of times.

By the way, that Goodwin card was the very first one I investigated. Not exactly like finding a needle in a haystack, however.

PS: when I started talking this way about Mastro three years ago a lot of posters/consignors got pissed at me too.

[QUOTE=calvindog;750701Not exactly like finding a needle in a haystack, however.

.[/QUOTE]

More like Haystacks Calhoun.

for the record
 

For the record I have never had an issue with Bill or his auctions. I just wonder how he can repeatedly get mulitples of a price for a card that other auction houses can't? My guess, and this is only a guess, is that consignors friends bid their friends consignments up. There is nothing Bill or any auctioneer can do to prevent that 100%. I would like to give a lie detector test to everyone that is saying things in this thread as to the question "have you ever had a friend bid on one of your cards in Bill's auctions to keep it from going too low?". My guess is there would be more than one that has.....

There also seems to be a redundancy of the same cards selling over and over, with more frequency, than other auctions. Not sure why that is....

Jeff- I consigned the Herzog Garter that I purchased out of Heritage for $4,200. Someone paid $5,100 plus juice for it in Goodwin's auction. Not sure who bid on it or purchased it, but it doesn't really matter. I was a perfect example of someone who buys from one auction and sells through another. Why did it sell for more? Not exactly sure, but I can tell you that I did not have anyone bid on my behalf. Maybe it's because Heritage auctions are not user friendly in many ways, and Goodwin has a site easy to use. Bill comes across as a genuine dude, and I think he has great write ups and scans. I think Goodwin is one of the premier auction houses and well respected.
I chimed in!

chimed in
 

So Dan....you have never had anyone bid on one of your cards in an auction before?

In other collecting fields, the bigger auction houses have greater access to international buyers and this tends to skew values pretty significantly. I always figured this wouldn't be the case with sports items (possible exception being Japan with baseball), but that might be incorrect.

Are international buyers active buyers for sports auctions?

At The National this year, Goodwin had several items in his case that had been "sold" in previous auctions. Notably, he had a 1914 Boston Garter Lajoie (sepia), that sold in the February auction. I asked if this item was on consignment and the sales person told me no, it was owned by them.

Lot #22 in the February auction: http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=9609



Edited to add: I know that random incidents like this might not meet the burden of proof standard in a court of law, but when I'm spending my money, I have a lower threshold.

Only back then? Hell, half of them are still pissed at you.

Smoke often is produced by fire.

Maybe I'm just doing this wrong then. Friends bidding on your consignments huh. Hmmmmm. Wish I'd thought of that in Bill's last auction with my consignments. :D I'm still recovering from the bath I took. For every record price that he's obtained in his auction on certain consignments you'll also find an unhappy consignor that's taken a hit as I did. I do not hold anything against Bill though for the low returns. Just the luck of the draw I guess. For the record I can honestly say I have "never" had anyone bid an auction up for me.

Me too. My four consignments went for roughly -25% form what I paid for them. I guess I did better than my stock portfolio.

There is no guarantee that over time the things we buy will be worth more over time. Far too many uncontrollable factors.

I'm sure Dan will get to that question in due time, hopefully before Yom Kippur. :)

I've consigned one single card (worth around a grand) to an auction house in my lifetime and have never bid on a friend's card. I have no financial relationships with any auction house and have never described an auctioneer as a 'great guy.' And I'm the guy whose bona fides need to be questioned? That's hilarious! Almost as funny as some of the excuses for Goodwin's prices on PSA 8 commons!

also
 

One other thing...I have not had anyone bid on any lot I have consigned either ...and before I started an auction company I did consign to several auction houses. For some reason I never got spectacular prices even on nice pieces. There is no doubt what Greg said is true too....way too many variables to know too much for sure.

I have had friends, and swore never to tell so I won't, tell me they have indeed had friends bid on their lots....so I know it happens...and it happens at every auction house. The only way to protect yourself is to always only bid what you feel is a comfortable price for you. Otherwise you might just be bidding against a shill. And, supposing many of these things that are being bid on are in fact won by "friends", that could explain why they go right back to auction so quickly... Sometimes it seems that these cards are hot potatos.....They never seem to find a good home...

Edited, because it wasn't relevant

Goodwin Pickups
 

I have to agree with "Bigfish".....Over the years I have never had an issue BOTH buying and consigning in Bill's auctions, and have been fortunate enough to receive my consigner checks virtually at the speed of light. Additionally, I have won MANY high end cards with ceiling bids far greater than the hammer price. In fact, I just won the Fredierick Foto Ruth Thursday night and could have paid, via a ceiling bid, much more.........bottom line is all consignments and winning bids are based on an infinite number of variables that boils down to the "luck of the draw"!

Happy Bidding!

Regards,
Joe

interesting
 

For some reason "Union Ruler house" keeps popping into my head! Not a communist faction on the contrary... Honest collectors should never hesitate to speak on industry standards:eek: The answer is BALANCE and regulation!!

Brad, you need help. Please get some.

And Dan, in certain circumstances you might be best advised to say nothing rather than answering as you did. But for what it's worth, Yom Kippur is around the corner so you still have time... :)

As someone who once ran an auction house, I have opinions on this matter but choose to express them diplomatically. I do not participate in Goodwin's Auctions and have never placed a bid, so I am not going to pretend I know what's going on. And maybe it's nothing- but I do admit that some of the prices I see strain my imagination. I have often auctioned the same card in the same grade and see it go for double my price in a Goodwin Auction. Frankly, that's a head scratcher. Sure, there are some discrepancies in the marketplace, but they are usually isolated examples. I have seen prices consistently go 1.5-2 times higher than my own, and my experience is the same people bid in all the auctions. So I can't explain it.

I do agree with Leon that there may be an atmosphere of friends regularly bidding for other friends but I can't say for sure. For those who have said that their consignments didn't do well, well that's the free market at work. For those who got incredible prices for their cards, well above previous recorded prices, there has to be some explanation for it. I am suspicious by nature, so my take is I am concerned with many prices realized I see, and that goes for many of the auction houses out there. As far as exactly what goes on, I don't know and the auction houses don't tell me. But from where I'm sitting... I say hmmmmm.