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V117collector 08-21-2009 03:34 PM

3000+ members and only a few posters
 
I would like to hear some insight from new members as to why they might hesitate or reframe from starting new threads or replying to posts.

Is it because some new members might feel the fear of being ridiculed for expressing there views and/or asking questions about certain controversial issues? Is there a sense this board has more then a few regulators keeping legitimate new members from feeling welcome?

Would love to hear your thoughts!

Bicem 08-21-2009 03:41 PM

I'm lazy.

FrankWakefield 08-21-2009 03:42 PM

Way to ask a question that needed asking, then 'regulate' it with your provided answer...

Orioles1954 08-21-2009 03:43 PM

A sudden lack of interest in baseball cards could be a possible reason.

Leon 08-21-2009 03:48 PM

an opinion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by V117collector (Post 743954)
I would like to hear some insight from new members as to why they might hesitate or reframe from starting new threads or replying to posts.

Is it because some new members might feel the fear of being ridiculed for expressing there views and/or asking questions about certain controversial issues? Is there a sense this board has more then a few regulators keeping legitimate new members from feeling welcome?

Would love to hear your thoughts!

Only about 1300 are real registered members. The others are program generated registrations that go into a banned folder. If I deleted them then they could re-register. I am not sure why anyone would write those programs to register but they do. It makes for a bit of work to weed them out. As for the 1300 or so real folks and only part of them participating I think Jeff hit the nail on the head. Also, many people just don't want to join in the fray. They would rather just lurk and that is their right also....I doubt it's because we have too many regulators. Actually, it could be the opposite from what I am hearing....regards

scottglevy 08-21-2009 03:57 PM

Way too much drama -- way too little chatter about cards
 
That is my answer!

deadballera 08-21-2009 04:08 PM

I also think that some people do not respond based on their collection and budgets in spending on cards.

It's obvious there are some very nice collections and cards that are out there. There is only a small percentage of the members on this board that can actually afford to buy those.


No response can possibly be attributed to:

1. No interest/knowledge in a certain card issue.
2. Lower budget ( not able to afford the Cobb, Wagner, Ruth, Gehrig, Johnson, Jackson, etc. )..
3. As Leon put it...some choose to lurk

Beatles Guy 08-21-2009 04:25 PM

I'm new here and seeking knowledge. And yes, I fit into the category of "small budget collector". I will pipe in from time to time if I think I can add to the conversation though.

calvindog 08-21-2009 04:31 PM

Sounds like a conspiracy to me.

toppcat 08-21-2009 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beatles Guy (Post 743972)
I'm new here and seeking knowledge. And yes, I fit into the category of "small budget collector". I will pipe in from time to time if I think I can add to the conversation though.

Just ask questions if you don't know-as anyone here can tell you I've posted a zillion silly questions here over the years but at the end of the day have gottne a good answer to about everything I have asked.

DeanH3 08-21-2009 04:33 PM

I'm definately in the "lurker" camp. I guess main reason is that unfortunately I don't have the knowledge most have here so my input becomes mostly opinion and well you know what they say about those. :o. Another reason I guess is I like to watch train wrecks as opposed to join in on them. I will say that most issues brought up are valid and should be discussed. But they eventually end up "train wrecks". I guess there is just no way around it.

I will take this time to say thanks to all the regular posters. I do appreciate the knowledge that is shared and hopefully some of it will eventually rub off. I should contribute more when I can and I will try to do so in the future.

Cheers

Dan Carson 08-21-2009 04:38 PM

Drama!
 
I agree with Scott, to much drama. then it turns to name calling so forth so on. (childish)

Mrc32 08-21-2009 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Carson (Post 743979)
I agree with Scott, to much drama. then it turns to name calling so forth so on. (childish)

Yup. Very few posts other than BST....mainly because most threads turn into flame fests.

Sorry- if someone could get control over those threads, I'm sure more people would want to talk cards.

IMHO

(and I'm sure someone will flame me for my opinion now :)

whitehse 08-21-2009 04:42 PM

I dont post here much because I am not activly collecting pre war cards. This is not for lack of interest but lack of funds. I try to pop in here 2-3 times a day and rarely post because my knowledge of the subject matter is significantly less than most, although I have been collecting for 35 years.

My knowledge is mostly 50's on up and would love to collect pre-war but I am a guy who loves to complete sets. It would drive me nuts to do the T-206 set and not be able to complete it because of the big 3!! I dont know how everyone else does it! LOL

barrysloate 08-21-2009 04:42 PM

Too many Communists!

Leon 08-21-2009 04:49 PM

not so easy to get "control"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrc32 (Post 743983)
Yup. Very few posts other than BST....mainly because most threads turn into flame fests.

Sorry- if someone could get control over those threads, I'm sure more people would want to talk cards.

IMHO

(and I'm sure someone will flame me for my opinion now :)

It's not so easy to get "control". As anyone who has ever moderated knows whenever a decision is made, choosing to do or not do something, then someone gets upset. My general rule is as much "hands off" as can be...Good, bad or indifferent, that is the way it is. I also don't think there would be more posts or threads if there were more "control". No flaming here...I am just giving my view of the subject. regards

whitehse 08-21-2009 04:53 PM

Leon...at the risk of sounding like a brown-noser..I think you do the best that you can. sometimes threads just take on a life of their own and before you know it they end up in a wreck!!

Rich Klein 08-21-2009 05:03 PM

I respond when I think I have something to say
 
But that is not in every thread -- only ones in which I think I can help.

Many people; especially newer ones in any group; tend to be afraid to post because frankly they don't have the same confidence that the "experienced" posters do. That was one great aspect of Marshall B; he had no fear of posting :)

But you'd be amazed at the breadth of this group. I was chatting at a local DFW show today with a vintage dealer from Houston I've known quite a while. In our conversation I mentioned the National Convention thread I started and wouldn't you know; HE could quote back some of the important parts of the discussion. As an FYI; he has set up at the last 10-15 Nationals at least -- I'll ask him the next time the full total of his National experiences. As far as I know; he has never posted on this board; but rest assured; he is one of many who reads this board regularly.

Regards
Rich

jrhatchjr 08-21-2009 05:04 PM

reasons from a long time "lurker"
 
I've been a long time vintage collector (25+ years) in addition to "lurking" here for a few years. Here are some reasons I don't post much:

-I have never participated in an auction house auction
-I rarely bid or buy anything on ebay any more
-I hate slabbing
-I don't care to be caught up in "drama" as others previously mentioned
-I don't have the budget - or the desire - to buy high end cards
-I could care less about card alterations...
-...or whether a card should be a 50 instead of a 40 - many of mine are trimmed, torn, burned, written on, creased, punch-holed or otherwise tortured...and that's the way I like 'em :)
-I prefer to remain somewhat anonymous

As you can see, I can't really comment - or choose not to comment - on many posts here. I do appreciate those who post neat cards (like Leon's D311 Danzig) or do research projects (like Brian's E121 quest). I also appreciate the many quality cards and impressive collections I have witnessed through this board.

Ladder7 08-21-2009 05:15 PM

Brad, This is a great idea for a thread. I hope the new guys will now chime in.

Many here have a niche and noone here knows every nuance on cards or memorabilia. Armpit to Elite collectors, everyone has a little something to offer. There's a saying in the fire service... "When the Experts panic, they call the fire department." I think the same theory applies here.

If a new poster feels they've been bullied, just tell us piss-off. Many here are just grumpy old men that need growl now and again. It's not personal and we don't bite.

This thread gives me an idea. Things have been rather drab around here, so lets liven it up.

FrankWakefield 08-21-2009 05:18 PM

Jr Hatch Jr, you're my kind of collector!!! Please keep posting!!!

FW

Jantz 08-21-2009 05:28 PM

I lurked for two years before starting to post. Glad I made the move. I wish more lurkers would post because I think the level of knowledge about pre-war cards would increase no matter what level of collector you are.

As far as being intimidated about asking a question. Don't be, you will never learn unless you ask. Besides, nobody will remember your question six months later except you. ( I once asked a question about the Joe Jackson T206 proof. ) Still get a laugh out of it today.

I have met alot of nice people on this board and I don't think that would have happened if I had kept lurking.

Jantz

Jantz 08-21-2009 05:37 PM

jrhatchjr - With 25+ years of collecting, I for one would enjoy hearing some of your knowledge on pre-war cards. With that much collecting time under your belt, I'm sure you have something to share.

Jantz

Al C.risafulli 08-21-2009 05:48 PM

I lurked here for probably two years before I started posting. I didn't want to get caught up in the drama, and I think there are (were) people here who would jump all over your case for your opinions. It was only after I made friends with a good number of the regular posters here by meeting them on other boards that I began to feel comfortable posting here.

-Al

jrhatchjr 08-21-2009 05:56 PM

Frank Wakefield and Jantz...
 
Thanks for the kind words! It might be tough to post more and remain somewhat anonymous, though ;)

But since you asked I'll create a fun little post in just a few moments...

ChrisStufflestreet 08-21-2009 06:00 PM

Everything Jim Hatch says...I'm going to echo.

Except the "anonymous" part. I don't mind tossing my name out so that others know for certain I'm just a horse's ass who happens to collect cards.

However, I've refrained from posting because: I don't own any slabbed stuff (in fact, a lot of my collection wouldn't be put into holders out of pity), I haven't bought anything via eBay since January '07, have never bid with an auction house...and have said on occasion that if I want to subject myself to high drama, I'd just tell my wife which of her co-workers I want to have an affair with.

However, if I see a topic that could use my contribution...I'll be right there with a response. 'cause that's how I roll, yo.

Ksquared 08-21-2009 06:16 PM

First Post!
 
Been a lurker for a couple of years, but joined as a member on the transition to new site because I wanted to see the BST section (not that I've ever bought anything!)

Lot of great knowledge here and good perspective as I learn more about pre-war cards. I've added some pre-war Baltimore cards to my Orioles collection and what I've learned here has helped me be more careful with what I buy.

I don't think there is anymore bickering here compared to other boards, but the political "discussions" sure are more colorful.

Jim

Mozzie22 08-21-2009 06:23 PM

I think one thing that inhibits new participation (and old) is the difference in budgets. I am a player collector on a very limited budget. I have never, and will never, won any auction other than Ebay. I couldn't afford the "crap" many big time collectors would pass over in a REA or Mastro catalogue. It can be intimidating reading a "what did you win from this auction" thread when you can't afford to have the catalogue shipped.

I was lucky enough to pick up many items for my collection years ago but I certainly couldn't afford some of the items in my collection now. Please let me be clear, I don't begrudge anyone anything they have and this isn't a class issue for me but there are regulars on this board that spend well into the 6 figures or more every year. Nobody wants to read a post about my beat up P2 Wolter when there are Cobbs and Mathewsons to be seen.

That being said, I have followed and enjoyed this community since the FullCount days and I will ask and add to any conversation that I feel I can, but I think "lurkers" are just waiting in many cases to contribute when they think they can or when something up their alley comes along.

ChrisStufflestreet 08-21-2009 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mozzie22 (Post 744031)
Nobody wants to read a post about my beat up P2 Wolter when there are Cobbs and Mathewsons to be seen.

I couldn't disagree with you more, Sir. First of all, if a card shows signs of having been "well-loved" by a previous owner, it gives that card some "character" in my eyes. My own 1955 Topps "set-in-progress" is 10 big cards short but is full of cards that have character. Like the Killer RC that has been trimmed on the edges (and there's no way it's going to be missed by anybody) or the Gil Hodges that shows signs of being used to make a bicycle "sound" like a motorbike. I can always upgrade the cards, but they look great to me.

Secondly, most of us are aware of the stories behind guys like Matty and Cobb. In fact, some of the guys here have written books and articles on those guys. However, I'd love to learn about Wolter because his story is new to me. I love finding out stuff I didn't know about even though I've paid attention to the game's history since I was 9 years old.

So show us your beaters!

barrysloate 08-21-2009 06:35 PM

As long as you love what you collect, you need not explain it to anybody. Remember, it's just a hobby!

carrigansghost 08-21-2009 06:43 PM

I believe that I probably have the most focused collection on the board. I do chime in where I can, Maine baseball is not a topic that comes up often, but occasionally Carrigan will get mentioned. I've learned much from the board and had many laughs at some of the drama.

Thanks to all that have given me great deals in B/S/T.

Rawn

Scott T 08-21-2009 06:53 PM

I am a low-end T206 collector. I have 98% of the set and the highest graded card I have is an SGC 60. (For the record, I am only mildly jealous of those with top flight, super-duper collections.)

I enjoy what I have and am grateful for the pleasure they give me. My other collections (with the exception of my PSA Registry winning Nate Colbert collection) are also nothing spectacular.

I mainly lurk on this site for two main reasons:

1) to learn things from those who know more than me.

2) to upgrade my craptacular collections via the B/S/T board when other collectors upgrade their collection. (This is called “trickle down” collecting.)

Mozzie22 08-21-2009 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisStufflestreet (Post 744036)
I couldn't disagree with you more, Sir. First of all, if a card shows signs of having been "well-loved" by a previous owner, it gives that card some "character" in my eyes. My own 1955 Topps "set-in-progress" is 10 big cards short but is full of cards that have character. Like the Killer RC that has been trimmed on the edges (and there's no way it's going to be missed by anybody) or the Gil Hodges that shows signs of being used to make a bicycle "sound" like a motorbike. I can always upgrade the cards, but they look great to me.

Secondly, most of us are aware of the stories behind guys like Matty and Cobb. In fact, some of the guys here have written books and articles on those guys. However, I'd love to learn about Wolter because his story is new to me. I love finding out stuff I didn't know about even though I've paid attention to the game's history since I was 9 years old.

So show us your beaters!

check the link below if you'd like to learn about Harry Wolter

rc4157 08-21-2009 07:24 PM

At this year's national, I commented to a fellow board member at the dinner that sometimes I won't show a card on the pick-up thread because there are so many high caliber cards there and I don't think my commons can stand up to the "competition". He told me I really should post them and I have decided he is right and will post most new pickups in the future.

I know I enjoy seeing what our fellow collectors acquire, whether they are high dollar or not, makes no difference to me. They are all enjoyable to view.

RC

baseballart 08-21-2009 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carrigansghost (Post 744046)
I believe that I probably have the most focused collection on the board. I do chime in where I can, Maine baseball is not a topic that comes up often, but occasionally Carrigan will get mentioned. I've learned much from the board and had many laughs at some of the drama.


Rawn

I can't add to the explanations, but I can offer a scan of Maine baseball

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/189/5...9922baef9d.jpg

fkw 08-21-2009 08:39 PM

Many of my Q's are answered with Google.... :)

Jewish-collector 08-21-2009 09:08 PM

Every topic concerning vintage baseball cards under the sun has been discussed & rehashed au nausism on this and/or the previous Net54 forum over the last 5 or 6 years. So, if a newbie needs some info, he can just search the forum.

The National is not for the financially challenged. Now, there are very very few collectors that spend less money at the show than I do. I'm not kidding. I've personally met the biggest of the big spenders there and enjoy meeting & talking to them and I do not feel jealous anymore (it's taken me a long time to deal with this issue :D:D:D) I enjoy all of the aspects of the National as much or more than anyone else that attends.

egbeachley 08-21-2009 09:36 PM

I'm mostly a non-sports guy. Just a few Baseball left in my collection. I usually just post about how economic factors will cause PSA to go out of business. That riles up a few folks.

Is Collector's Universe ready to releae earnings again?

Jantz 08-21-2009 09:36 PM

"newbie"....................interesting choice of words




Jantz

Tim Kindler 08-21-2009 09:39 PM

Why I'm sometimes hesitant to post.
 
Brad, Great thread. Let me add my two cents.
I am mostly a lurker for a few reasons:
1. As Alan just stated, many of the ideas and information for a thread have been discussed and many times I will see a response posted as "See this archive thread for the information". I get why people do this and it is great that we have the archives, but I think it keeps us from further expanding on ideas and thoughts sometimes.

2. I am TERRIBLE with names. For example, at the National I met alot of really nice guys from the board. When I talked to them, they knew me from my posts about E98s and Old Put Backs. It was exciting and really neat to meet so many people but then when I got back home, I wanted to thank so many of them and chime into threads from them...but I forgot their names! and I feel really stupid if I try to chime in on a thread to someone whom I've met but can't remember their names. Of course this is my fault and I need to solve my own problem by learning to put names with faces better in the future. **On this note I just want to quickly thank the gentleman (See, I forgot his name) who is at the table with Leon and Scott ( I believe he bought the huge Pirate backed lot of T214s last year) and has made me a great deal the last two Nationals on cards. I really appreciate your willingness to bargain with me and my budget!

3. I am not the most technological advanced person and have trouble with scans... but I'm getting better!

4. I want to get along with everyone and let's face it... in some of the recent threads things have gotten a little heated. I prefer to stay out of it. It took everything I had to respond to one of Bruce's latest BST threads in the T section about an hour ago... but I think I did it in a very respectful way.

With a little more effort on my part, (remembering names/ faces and becoming more computer savy) I hope to be less of a lurker and more of a contributor in the future.
Tim Kindler

Tyler 08-21-2009 09:46 PM

My 1st post ever
 
I made my first post about 4 years ago. It was in response to a Mathewson PC (either PC796 or PC805) that was being shown off in a "show off" thread. The famous image has Matty in a pitching pose, but his right arm covers the "N" of the "N.Y." I asked if the "Y" stood for Yale.
I knew he was a college guy, but at that time, I didn't know Bucknell from Buck Weaver. When I was corrected, I felt like an idiot, deservedly so, but it only made me want to learn more.

Since then I have learned so much about Matty and so many other HOF's, stars, characters, drunks, gamblers, etc. and I owe 100% of it to the people that contribute to this forum. Even the info I gather from other great sites and books all can be traced to this board.

I haven't posted much since that first "insert foot" moment about Matty and maybe that will change. Regardless, all you daily "postin' fools" remember... there are alot of us out here that appreciate all of your contributions.

I really have to bite my tongue when the Seinfeld references pop up, as I am quite a fan. Barry, feel free to correct any spelling or grammatical errors above...and...Do you know what Kramer's friend, Jay Reimenschneider, eats all the time? (I saw the episode today and couldn't resist, since this is us lurkers chance to "spew")

Thanks again to all for giving me something to do all day and to Leon for being the coolest moderator in history. See you in another 4 years.

Tyler

carrigansghost 08-21-2009 09:50 PM

Thanks for posting something of Maine, Max. I have a copy of that. There are some really great players from Maine, but not at the level that gets to the Hall.

Rawn

FrankWakefield 08-21-2009 10:13 PM

Hey there, Tyler Cox
 
Hey Tyler,

Thanks for posting that.

Have you read The Celebrant, by Eric Rolfe Greenberg? It is about the best baseball novel ever. I'd put it above The Natural and above If I Never Get Back. The Celebrant is set contemporary with Mr. Mathewson pitching with the Giants, which is a main thread in the book. Any baseball bibliophile, anyone who enjoys turn of the century T206 era baseball, any fan of Mathewson should read this book. Highly recommended.

FW


Horse meat.

Dustanh1 08-21-2009 11:05 PM

I've been mostly a lurker for oh, about 2 years now. I first found this forum about the same time I started gaining an interest in pre-war. I was a bit intimidated by the amount of knowledge here, and I knew I had no knowledge to add to any of the discussions. Because of this, I lurked.

Now, 2 years and 94 T206's later, I still don't feel like I have a ton of knowledge to add anything to most threads. I've gotten much more familiar with the T206's, I have a few Cubs cards from other sets, but for the most part I just enjoy reading and learning from the threads. The drama posts are entertaining to some degree, but I often find myself getting bored with them after a while and finding something that actually has to do with cards.

I think as I continue collecting the T206 set and keep getting familiar with the cards, I will post more and contribute more to threads. I knew nothing but modern cards up until 2 years ago....some of the vets on this board have been collecting vintage 20-30 years before I was born. (I'll be 28 in October) I'll get there eventually but I'm still having fun reading and learning.

ethicsprof 08-21-2009 11:10 PM

great forum
 
may i offer a resounding welcome to those who are new and those not so new.
i've been on this board forever and love it, as they say, 'warts and all'.

all the best,

barry

majordanby 08-22-2009 12:27 AM

i used to post slightly more regularly a few years ago, but stopped. mainly because i elicited very few responses, while inane mud slinging threads and posts contributed by longer standing members received a lot more responses. at that point, i decided to stop posting. since then, i chime in once in a blue moon and have only the motivation to read but not post on the board.

barrysloate 08-22-2009 05:04 AM

Tyler- I can picture Kramer delivering that line...but can't remember what his friend ate. You got me on that one.:(

Is it dog?

Jacklitsch 08-22-2009 06:05 AM

"many of the ideas and information for a thread have been discussed and many times I will see a response posted as "See this archive thread for the information". I get why people do this and it is great that we have the archives, but I think it keeps us from further expanding on ideas and thoughts sometimes."

My first thought when this thread started.

Tim:

That fine gentleman you mentioned is Richard Masson.

brianp-beme 08-22-2009 11:15 AM

Posting
 
Like jrhatchjr earlier I have been collecting vintage many years (28 for me), and I only occasionally post. Here are my sorry reasons:

1. Time--consistently week after week being at work 60 hours cuts into hobby time.

2. Topics--heck, we all have our interests, and because of that I don't even read half of the threads...they are just not up my alley.

3. Controversy--I am one to shy away...no, cower from flaming topics. Usually it is that I just don't care about the topic. Quite often I don't even understand the subtleties of opposing arguments. Sometimes those subtleties seem to have been delivered via sledgehammer. Call me stupid, please, but don't expect flames from this keyboard.

4. Apathy--Even when I do post a hobby related thread, sometimes I am met with a big yawn. I recently posted a couple of threads on the E121 sets, and appreciated the response that was received, but it sure seems like more people could pipe up (perhaps they lack the time like me). In my opinion that is what this board should be about, helping other collectors share knowledge, whether it be something newly discovered or answering questions that other members have.

5. Cranial technological malnutrition--Man, today I wanted to post an unpublished article on the E91 sets I wrote (6 years ago!), but could not figure out how to get it posted. I refuse to retype it. If anyone out there wants to help out, I can mail a copy and through their wondrous powers perhaps they can post it on the site. I can provide scans of the E91's later (see point #1), but actually would be asking for members help to show scans of cards I list in the article from other sets. Teamwork, people!

Brian

Leon 08-22-2009 04:30 PM

I will help...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by brianp-beme (Post 744232)
Like jrhatchjr earlier I have been collecting vintage many years (28 for me), and I only occasionally post. Here are my sorry reasons:

1. Time--consistently week after week being at work 60 hours cuts into hobby time.

2. Topics--heck, we all have our interests, and because of that I don't even read half of the threads...they are just not up my alley.

3. Controversy--I am one to shy away...no, cower from flaming topics. Usually it is that I just don't care about the topic. Quite often I don't even understand the subtleties of opposing arguments. Sometimes those subtleties seem to have been delivered via sledgehammer. Call me stupid, please, but don't expect flames from this keyboard.

4. Apathy--Even when I do post a hobby related thread, sometimes I am met with a big yawn. I recently posted a couple of threads on the E121 sets, and appreciated the response that was received, but it sure seems like more people could pipe up (perhaps they lack the time like me). In my opinion that is what this board should be about, helping other collectors share knowledge, whether it be something newly discovered or answering questions that other members have.

5. Cranial technological malnutrition--Man, today I wanted to post an unpublished article on the E91 sets I wrote (6 years ago!), but could not figure out how to get it posted. I refuse to retype it. If anyone out there wants to help out, I can mail a copy and through their wondrous powers perhaps they can post it on the site. I can provide scans of the E91's later (see point #1), but actually would be asking for members help to show scans of cards I list in the article from other sets. Teamwork, people!

Brian

Brian- please email me at leonl@flash.net. I will help as much as is needed....including doing all of the posting and uploading of scans etc....

Tedw9 08-22-2009 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mozzie22 (Post 744031)
I think one thing that inhibits new participation (and old) is the difference in budgets. I am a player collector on a very limited budget. I have never, and will never, won any auction other than Ebay. I couldn't afford the "crap" many big time collectors would pass over in a REA or Mastro catalogue. It can be intimidating reading a "what did you win from this auction" thread when you can't afford to have the catalogue shipped.

I was lucky enough to pick up many items for my collection years ago but I certainly couldn't afford some of the items in my collection now. Please let me be clear, I don't begrudge anyone anything they have and this isn't a class issue for me but there are regulars on this board that spend well into the 6 figures or more every year. Nobody wants to read a post about my beat up P2 Wolter when there are Cobbs and Mathewsons to be seen.

That being said, I have followed and enjoyed this community since the FullCount days and I will ask and add to any conversation that I feel I can, but I think "lurkers" are just waiting in many cases to contribute when they think they can or when something up their alley comes along.


I couldn't have put it better myself. I enjoy reading the post, but most often I can't add anything that someone else has not already added.

I have had the pleasure of meeting a few of the guys from the board at a show last (?) year which included a fun ride to a show with Rawn. And Rawn, if we decide to go to a show again, I got a GPS so I won't get us lost again. :D

KentRobinson 08-22-2009 06:20 PM

Only a few posters
 
I am one of those who does not post messages to this site. I have been a member for 2 years and this is my second post, the first one about 5 minutes ago.

I don't post because I am a small, fairly uneducated collector who really doesn't have anything to say to 99% of the threads. I love reading about them and finding out more information about the hobby, but most of the item specific threads deal with memorabila that is way outside my experience and budget level.

However, the personal threads (favorite hobby experience, ...) are also interesting to me and I have not posted a reply to those yet either. Other than not taking the time, I don't have a valid reason for not posting to those threads and will try to make a conscious effort to respond. I would like to think that other collectors would also find my hobby stories interesting.

Thanks to Net 54, even though I am not an active memeber, I really enjoy the site!!

GasHouseGang 08-22-2009 08:00 PM

I've posted some to this site, but all of my prewar collecting involves the off-beat. I've posted a Japanese postcard for instance. Most of my collection starts from 1950 forward. And I wouldn't have those except that I started back when they were cheap. I never have, and probably never will spend anywhere near what most of the regulars will spend this year. And I don't need the Bruce's or any other Whale to tell me I'm a minnow. I know it, I accept it, and enjoy what I can afford. I've modified my collecting habits over the years and now enjoy some non-sports mixed in with my baseball. I have opinions on some of the topics, and chime in if I have something new to add, but I can't discuss the nuances of the T-206 set. So I read a lot of the posts for my own education.

albrshbr 08-23-2009 08:49 AM

My First Post
 
Like many others, I've been lurking for about 2 years, and just recently registered. I've been collecting for just over 30 years, with a couple of breaks when I lost interest (my late teen years, and again in about 1991). While mostly buying new "garbage", I had also been working on a few older sets (1958 Topps, 1960 Leaf, 1953 Bowman B&W).

Anyways, I started to lose interest again, but I have always really enjoyed the hobby. The new stuff does nothing for me, nor do any of the current players. On the older stuff, I also have a bit of a problem paying $3 to have a $1 card shipped to me. The local card shops want NM prices for stuff that is only VG.

The really vintage has always interested me, but I thought I couldn't afford them. I've been working on PSA graded Buffalo Bills team sets, and realized that with the money I was spending on them, I could definetly do a pre-war set. Now I'm just deciding which one to start with. I've been looking at the Diamond Stars, Batter Up, E254, T206 (minus big 3), and even N172. Right now, I'm reading alot of what others are saying to help me narrow down my choices.

Edwolf1963 08-23-2009 01:41 PM

Only a few posters
 
For what it's worth, I'm fairly new to the Hobby and Net54. I didn't really know, or focus on the Forum link at the top of the page until recently, mostly I've scanned through the BST links below it. Like many have said, I don't feel intimidated to add a post or respond, just didn't think I could add much more than what's already been said. I'm also a small-time collector/enthusiast, still learning/taking it all in - it's been a good experience so far!

I will say I enjoy this site quite a bit, I find I open up first or amongst the first when I'm on the computer - whether or not I'm looking for something specific, building, selling, or just watching from the sidelines. Everyone I have dealt with has been responsive, fair, provided good feedback and delivered meeting or exceeding my expectations. I'm sure to tell anyone in the hobby or just dabbling to check the site out.

Anyway, without sounding Pollyanna about it all, thank you for the opportunity to learn, participate and do business with many of you. Look forward to more in the future!

Ed

teetwoohsix 08-23-2009 01:44 PM

Brand New To Site
 
I am still so new here that I still spend most of my time reading old threads.I also work alot,I am not retired yet(although every day I wish I were),and I promised my wife I would refrain from purchasing another T-206 until I quit smoking.She said she would pay for half of the first one I buy as a non-smoker,,so,of course,I will be going for a Cobb,Cy Young,or maybe a nice Mathewson!!!What does that have to do with this?I am a card fiend-I have'nt been on E-bay in weeks because of this "agreement" and it is even risky for me to be here right now......(jk)........Thank you all for making this such a great site-respects from a newbie.

sportscardtheory 08-23-2009 04:30 PM

Most message boards I frequent allow 15-20 replies per thread page, here it is only ten. For some reason I am bothered by having to flip pages more often and tend to not bother posting or reading replies as much as I do on other sites. It feels like I'm doing work. Just my two cents.

Jim VB 08-23-2009 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportscardtheory (Post 744527)
Most message boards I frequent allow 15-20 replies per thread page, here it is only ten. For some reason I am bothered by having to flip pages more often and tend to not bother posting or reading replies as much as I do on other sites. It feels like I'm doing work. Just my two cents.


Click on "User CP" in the bar near the top of the page, left hand side. Scroll down to "Edit Options".

One of the options allows you to select how many posts you want per page. Your choices vary from 5 to 80. The more you select, the slower the page will load, but for most threads it's not a noticible difference. Threads with a lot of attachments, like the monthly "pick-up" threads, are a little slower.

ChrisStufflestreet 08-23-2009 04:53 PM

Thanks for the info, Jim, I didn't know that.

sportscardtheory 08-23-2009 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim VB (Post 744528)
Click on "User CP" in the bar near the top of the page, left hand side. Scroll down to "Edit Options".

One of the options allows you to select how many posts you want per page. Your choices vary from 5 to 80. The more you select, the slower the page will load, but for most threads it's not a noticible difference. Threads with a lot of attachments, like the monthly "pick-up" threads, are a little slower.

That's awesome, thank you!

darkpoet 08-23-2009 07:05 PM

posting
 
I've only posted here a couple of times, but I am considering trying to sell or auction some items on the BST in the not too distant future. I have raw vintage cards and vintage memorabilia.

Tim Kindler 08-23-2009 08:29 PM

Thanks Steve
 
Steve, Thanks for helping me remember Richard's name. (This is from an earlier post in this thread.)
And Richard, Thanks again for another great deal at The National.
Tim Kindler

turtleguy64 08-24-2009 05:20 AM

Here is one theory:no sooner do I post a report on my recent conversation with Doug Allen pertaining to my continuing non-payment from that Mastro auction,then I get a half hour phone call from the FBI.Nothing is secret anymore.

Leon 08-24-2009 06:47 AM

secret?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by turtleguy64 (Post 744633)
Here is one theory:no sooner do I post a report on my recent conversation with Doug Allen pertaining to my continuing non-payment from that Mastro auction,then I get a half hour phone call from the FBI.Nothing is secret anymore.

Nothing is secret on a public chatboard. :eek:

smokelessjoe 08-24-2009 06:49 AM

Baseball Team From Maine
 
Hi Rawn,

Here is a Stereoview image of a team from Maine! Photographer out of Union City... One of my favorite pics of all time. Not mine btw.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...TEAMBLACK1.jpg

carrigansghost 08-24-2009 06:52 AM

Thanks Shawn, now I have a mission to find that house when I go back home.
Great image.

Rawn

smokelessjoe 08-24-2009 07:05 AM

No problem Rawn,

The photogaphers name is Henry J. Allen and was apparently quite popular in Maine... I have seen his studios listed out of Thomaston, ME. as well. It has been sometime since I have tried to research this photo and I cannot remember if I figured out where the "Rural House" was or not? When I get some time I will go back through my stuff and see what I can find??

Side note: Notice also, that it appears to be both the letter "U" and the letter "N" on thier uniforms...

Potomac Yank 08-24-2009 08:52 AM

Wow!
 
That is one awesome photograph. :)

The caps.
The neckerchiefs.
The bibs.
The belts.
The high top cleats.

Has anyone placed a year, or a time slot for this photo?

Thanks for sharing Shawn.

smokelessjoe 08-24-2009 09:33 AM

Hi Joe,

I agree with you as stated above... I also like the guy holding the ball with his arms crossed.

I was thinking 1870s... I am quite preturbed with myself, because as I stated above this I one of my favorite pics of all time and now I cannot find the full size scan of the stereoview (It was a double shot of the same picture). I had both the front and the back??:mad:

The image you see above is where I enlarged, cropped and added a border.

I will keep looking?

Potomac Yank 08-24-2009 10:15 AM

Great job with the stereoview .....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by smokelessjoe (Post 744677)
Hi Joe,

I agree with you as stated above... I also like the guy holding the ball with his arms crossed.

I was thinking 1870s... I am quite preturbed with myself, because as I stated above this I one of my favorite pics of all time and now I cannot find the full size scan of the stereoview (It was a double shot of the same picture). I had both the front and the back??:mad:

The image you see above is where I enlarged, cropped and added a border.

I will keep looking?

*

Hello Shawn, 1870's is my gut feeling also, we're on the same page.
Also, if I'm not mistaken, we're looking at an integrated team for that period.
Now, if we can pin down the location of that Rural House?

Not to worry about the missing stereoview scan.
I too, am a great miss placer of missing things, and I usually come across them, when I'm looking for something else that I've misplaced. :)

You did a great job with that picture.
Joe

carrigansghost 08-24-2009 05:55 PM

There is no Union City in Maine, there is a Union. Maine does have a sense of humor about such places, we refer to Greenwood as Greenwood City in my part of Maine and it has a pop. of about 800. I sent a copy of the scan to an old history teacher friend(baseball fan as well). His initial feeling that it was taken in the Augusta area outside of a boarding house that catered to migratory workers and their families. I'll be going home for the Labor Day weekend and will spend a day searching the area.

Rawn

Potomac Yank 08-24-2009 06:40 PM

Atta boy Rawn
 
The hunt baby, the hunt ... that's where it's at.

Shawn, when you mentioned Union City, I automatically thought of Union City, NJ.
During the Civil war period, the North was naming everything Union something.

Go for it Rawn.

Go for it Shawn.
Now that'swhat I call a UNION. :)

smokelessjoe 08-25-2009 03:56 AM

Hey Rawn,

You are absolutely correct. I mis-spoke when I said "Union City".... Those two words just seem to go together. What I was trying to say is Union, Maine. I apologize for any headaches I may have caused by this:(

Also, you can see more of Henrys photos by searching "j. henry allen". I think the guy was quite talented!

Again, sorry...

smokelessjoe 08-25-2009 06:22 AM

I apologize for hijacking this thread, but I think this is the very type of thing this thread is talking about. All it takes is one post and you never know what you may find...

Here is a listing from google books in a almanac for "J. Henry Allen", perhaps it can help? Dated 1881-1882

I have also attached a link to a beautiful photo of a sailboat taken by Henry.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/Henry111.jpg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...enry_Allen.png

tbob 08-25-2009 10:34 PM

refreshing
 
How refreshing to read a thread without any mention of elite collectors or seas of mediocrity or downgrading fellow colectors because they don't or can't collect only high grade material. That's what this board is supposed to be all about and reading the posts like the one from fellow long time collector Jim Hatch who I had many great swaps and deals with is truly great :D
To all you lurkers out there, especially those who collect cards for the love of it, don't ever hesitate to post or put your scans up in the pickup thread.

tedzan 08-25-2009 11:02 PM

RAWN and Shawn
 
Really sharp photo.

It's been a while since I was in Union, Maine....and, cannot recall any "Rural House". Looks like a really
old photo, so the Rural House is most likely gone.

But, I do remember the annual Fair held in Union. A lot of nice folk, a lot of fun, and a lot of good food.


TED Z

Leon 08-26-2009 06:47 AM

Ted
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 745168)
Really sharp photo.

It's been a while since I was in Union, Maine....and, cannot recall any "Rural House". Looks like a really
old photo, so the Rural House is most likely gone.

But, I do remember the annual Fair held in Union. A lot of nice folk, a lot of fun, and a lot of good food.
TED Z

I thought you were the guy on the far right....:p

vintagewhitesox 08-26-2009 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leon (Post 745204)
I thought you were the guy on the far right....:p

Now that's funny! Good one. :D


Ted, great seeing you again in Cleveland.

SmokyBurgess 08-26-2009 08:15 AM

Big J
 
My limited activity is due to my lack of scanning capacity. Most want to see a pix of the card.

I grew up collecting via mail (SCD) and relied on the description given in the ads. Never had a major problem with this method.

However, I have found a small niche here at Net54 and appreciate the site very much.

Potomac Yank 08-26-2009 09:17 AM

Smokey, I hear you loud and clear
 
*

Ted, can you give us your theory on the Rural House & Fair? :D


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