Arrest In Jackie Robinson Statue Theft
 

As predicted: "The investigation has not revealed any evidence indicating that this was a hate-motivated crime," said Aaron Moses of the Wichita Police Department. "We believe this theft was motivated by the financial gain of scrapping common metal."

That's good news, as is this from the end of an article in the Hays Post:

"Lutz, whose friend, the artist John Parsons, made the statue before his death, said the mold is still viable and anticipated that a replacement can be erected within a matter of months."

No, Can't be. So many were so sure it was race related too. Heck, they even said to think differently would be like living in denial and placing your head in the sand.

https://www.kwch.com/2024/02/13/poli...n-statue-case/

That's good to hear.

Shocking. Who could have possibly foreseen that shoving a political agenda immediately without any evidence whatsoever to support it wouldn't pan out in the end? I wonder if our 2 extremists who advocated that those who didn't share their politics to be made "out of the way and gone" from the population will apologize or own up to being wrong. My money is on "No"; the agenda overcomes any and all objective reality.

Glad they caught the scumbag.
Many people made themselves look very foolish on the previous thread. They won't apologize and sadly, they won't learn anything either.

I personally try to accomplish that at least once a day.;):D

Shocking. Who could have possibly foreseen that shoving a political agenda immediately without any evidence whatsoever to support it wouldn't pan out in the end?

Yes, exactly.

What's foolish is parading this bit of news around as if it's some sort of victory. Not just foolish but bizarre.

Sounds like someone has their head in the sand.

Took only 20 minutes for "No" to turn out correct. I get it though, when you shovel a BS political narrative into non-political things and make grandiose claims free of any actual supportable facts, you kind of have to stick with your losing horse even when it's inevitably proven wrong. 'This incident supports my cause and if that turns out to be a lie then it does not matter and my cause is still right and it's silly to refute my original claims'.

This is the weirdest thread. And in the wrong place.

What money?

Or where the sun don't shine

Aren't there a bunch of threads on this very topic already???

The first two (one of them was locked) were innuendo, false claims, political agenda, and political narrative, this one is facts and truth.

Avoid attributing to malice that which can be attributed to stupidity. I work in the electrical power industry and it’s still common for people to break into substations to steal copper. There are a lot of idiots out there.


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More than I could ever have even possibly imagined.

I belong to a beercan site that banned any political conversation about 10 years ago ... turned out to be an excellent idea .
Bunch of people-that aren’t going to change their minds , running around in circles getting angrier and angrier.

Haha...yep! If I had some bacon, I'd have some bacon and eggs, if I had some eggs.

According to the site rules, politics is one of the banned topics here as well.

https://www.net54baseball.com/faq.ph...testfaq#faq_12

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And a card.
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Nice under-graded Jackie, Phil. I wonder if it being graded in Florida caused its grade to be repressed? Bastards. :)

Ha!

Yes, racism and bigotry is hilarious! Unless you perceive yourself to be the victim, of course, in which case it's very serious, right? As you wrote the other day:

"There are pro-Hamas/Hezbollah/Houthi riots all over cities in America right now. There are Michigan religious leaders praising the Oct 7 terror attacks in Israel. Bridges, train stations and airports in NYC have been shut down by protesters calling for the genocide of Jews and the destruction of Israel and America. I'm fully armed walking to my office now, as there have been violent protests right in front of my building. If any of the protesters believed I was Jewish I'd be attacked in a second.

You'll excuse me if I find this more concerning than a fucking statue that was stolen, the political motive behind it still unknown. I can promise you that the people calling for my head outside my office last week were not Republicans. The country is divided, is my point, and the Jackie Robinson statue being stolen is not the best example of it."

The original two threads were not political at first. ALL agreed it was awful the statue was taken and wanted to see it replaced, many giving money to the fund to rebuild it.

It was then that the political posts started happening with people saying this had to be racist etc. Some of those same people are posting on this thread some of the same stuff which shows they will not ever learn. They are probably disappointed in the truth.

No intelligent person denies racism exists but most intelligent people don't look for it behind every corner either. Not one of them will come on here and admit they jumped to conclusions and now look stupid for it.

Except there was no racism with regard to the theft of the statue, you pathetic, race-baiting asshole.

+1 Chris.

Thank you for showing this entire forum your true colors. Pathetic, angry dipshits like you always do eventually.

Uh, you're too stupid to realize that you are continuing to make an ass out of yourself. At least the other morons in the thread knew enough to keep away and keep their mouths shut. Not you.

The guy who is demonstrably factually wrong should not be calling anyone a dipshit lol. Nobody is saying actual racism is funny, some are saying the idiots who screech abut fictional racism even after their false and completely made-up narrative has been debunked are funny. There is a discernible, actual reality and not every event that happens is useful to one's radical political agenda.

+1

-1

It's an exercise in futility, Jeffery. Bobby's got it all figured out, knows what's going on and if you don't agree with him nor repeat the same words as him, then you're a far right wing conspiracy theorist.
Never seen the likes of it in my life. Everything his favorite political party and their funded news stations tells him to believe, he does, and he's the first to jump on board spreading the falsehoods without questioning any of it. He's basically a brainwashed fool but thinks and believes he's got it all figured out because the T.V. man told him.

Actually I respect him for continually coming back and taking all of this abuse and sticking to his guns, unlike the other bomb throwers in the first two threads who have skipped town after the inevitable truth finally came out.

+1! Most posters have muted them, but I enjoy to see other...shall we say "perspectives "

And I quote "there is only ONE reason to steal a statue of Jackie Robinson "
-don't remember who posted it off hand, but it stuck with me.

This is what the "new America" is about. AND if you don't agree with it, you are (insert whatever finger pointing name you want here) everything is skewed toward and agenda, and you can't even have a friendly debate anymore

Kumbaya my lord....kumbaya...

It'll be interesting to see how many more people get rounded up in all of this. My gut tells me that this guy who was arrested isn't likely to keep his mouth shut and will talk to lessen the charges if at all possible. If not him, any one of the other people that may have been involved or at the potential location "where others were present." Looking at his FB profile, he also has 6 kids. Sucks that this guy's actions will now have a negative impact on their lives.

"Asked how many others might face charges, Moses said three people were seen on the surveillance video. He also noted that the statue was taken to a location where others were present."

Alderete, who is jailed on $150,000 bond, faces charges of felony theft and aggravated criminal damage to property in the statue case. He also was charged Monday with identity theft and making false information in an October 2022 incident involving a pawn ticket, the complaint said.

Police provided no details about the case that led to his arrest. But online court records also show he also is charged with kidnapping and aggravated burglary. The criminal complaint said that he entered a Wichita home on Feb. 1 with the intent to kidnap someone as part of an effort to interfere with law enforcement.

Alderete also has a criminal record that includes burglary and theft, state correction department records show.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/0...rrest-00141294

https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/o...284887722.html

https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion...binson-statue/

https://kansasreflector.com/2024/02/...te-the-motive/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...r/72435980007/

And finally a sane rational view.

https://www.frontpagemag.com/media-b...o-metal-thief/

Or maybe the takeaway here is not to prejudge?

This thread and the last one are shocking. We all agree that the theft of the statue is a bad thing, right? So what the hell are we doing? The fact that the theft was just a theft should be a relief, not an excuse to go at each other again. A big reason why this country is tearing itself apart is that on social media everyone is a tough guy and no one can turn the other cheek, be a good winner, or a gracious loser anymore. Instead, we go after each other over and over again as viciously as possible over everything and anything, in ways that we never would do in person, and in the process create permanent visceral enemies, for no good reason, just having the last word. It's childish and destructive and I wish it was not a part of this board.

Oh, and Phil, that card is really, really nice. Only way it could look better is in my collection.

I will say, my gut instinct was that there was likely a racial angle to it. Of course lacking any evidence and/or the ability to read the minds of people who hadn't even been identified, I kept my opinion to myself. Kinda glad I did now.

100% this. Lots of virtue signalers here and out there, though. Lots of people completely willing to look away and deny facts to follow the cult err, I mean narrative.

This whole topic has moved past popcorn.

The demand for racism far outweighs the supply.

Why do people seem so angry at the people who thought this might be race-related? Is it really that far fetched? And why are you treating this as such a victory? Kinda pathetic if you ask me.

The popcorn has been replaced with Kool aid. The purpose of this entire thread can be summed up with,

"See? I told you antiblack racism no longer exists! And this one news item proves it!"

Most Americans reading about the theft and desecration of a statue of a civil rights icon will consider the possibility that hate and racism were a motive. Only those sequestering themselves in the far-right echo chamber will see that as odd, or as one poster suggested, deserving of an apology. (Lol!)

[QUOTE=Exhibitman;2412787]Or maybe the takeaway here is not to prejudge?

This thread and the last one are shocking. We all agree that the theft of the statue is a bad thing, right? So what the hell are we doing? The fact that the theft was just a theft should be a relief, not an excuse to go at each other again. A big reason why this country is tearing itself apart is that on social media everyone is a tough guy and no one can turn the other cheek, be a good winner, or a gracious loser anymore. Instead, we go after each other over and over again as viciously as possible over everything and anything, in ways that we never would do in person, and in the process create permanent visceral enemies, for no good reason, just having the last word. It's childish and destructive and I wish it was not a part of this board.

+ 1,000,000 --- Brian Powell

I am happy they caught at least one of the people involved. Now they can let him go and give him and his family a new house and a nice monthly check so he doesn't have to do something like this again.:eek::rolleyes::D

The problem is NOT that people raised the possibility it was race related, not at all.

The problem is that they insisted it was about race, said people who waited for or requested evidence were racists and stupid, and one of them even said "Biggest issue this country faces is getting people with antiquated values out of the way and gone,", which 2 more leftists then co-signed and +1'd. How would half the country be made 'out of the way and gone'? Can you imagine what would happen if a person who was not a leftist said this and expressed a wish for the deaths or removal of half the country?

The level of anger, absurd accusations, sheer stupidity without any evidence whatsoever for their claims, and even violent wishes is going to get a response when they turn out, yet again, to be 100% factually wrong. All in all, considering the absurdist and violent claims, the responses in this thread are incredibly mild. Nobody has gone even 1% as far as they did.

+1, and they will do the same exact again the next time one of these situations arise. Zero acceptance of culpability.

In this country, racism is the 800 pound gorilla in the living room. Still surprised that Niki Haley denied this truth on one of her campaign stops.

I guarantee they won't learn a thing :rolleyes:. Once one is so deep into an ideology that they believe that stating or co-signing, as 3 members did, that people with different political views need to die is acceptable, one is so far removed form logic and even the most basic kind of human decency that nothing will get through. It's just absolutely incredible how many people these days are willing to endorse massive scale violence over things they have made up and factually did not even happen.

Someone: Basically says racism has no place in this country
This board: You want to remove all the Republicans?!

Shhhhhh! The media doesn't want people to realize this.

Couldn't agree more.

The only thing I would add is that we're all very willing to extend grace, forgiveness, and understanding to people we agree with, yet when it comes to people we disagree with, that all goes out the window.

My personal goal is to extend that same level grace, forgiveness, and understanding to people (and politicians) that I disagree with.

We've jumped the shark here. We all know politics doesn't belong on the main board.
Move it to the Watercooler, please.




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It will never cease to amaze me what a so called "tolerant" party can get some people to not only believe, but to endorse as well.
And this same political party also convinces them it's the other party that is the bad, intolerant ones. :(

Now we're communicating using edgelord right wing memes while clutching pearls.

This dumpster fire is turning into a landfill fire.

You denying they said those things?

No, I'm saying grown adults are having un-authentic pearl clutching arguments and the discourse and quality of discussion is getting worse every new thread.

I'm not here to stop it, or plead for understanding. I'm pretty sure this whole discussion on this board has been poisoned by default at this point.

Since it is Tuesday, someplace.

I want to ask but I don't want to ask (but I want to ask...)

I'm curious how this community of collectors generally lean politically - Leon would kill me if I actually posted a poll with 2 choices.

Seems like there is lots of voltage on both sides - just curious... (but I probably shouldn't ask)

Solid!

I get the feeling you have a lot of fiscal conservative/social liberal middle of the road folks here with a lot of life experience that are fed up with the progressive left and extreme right.

Pretty amazing really.

On a positive note, we can all agree that we like collecting baseball cards!

You are the absolute king, or queen, of creating straw men to yell at. NOBODY even came close to saying what you are claiming. You need some help.

It's hard to tell these days. The Overton window has shifted so far left that left positions a few years ago are now considered extreme right-wing and everything is muddled.

A belief in unrestricted speech and the right of a fellow to think and do as he pleases used to be a classic hallmark of liberal philosophy; now it is right wing for me to still think this. Advocating 'let's wait for evidence before blaming X or Y group' used to be apolitical; now it is apparently right-wing to do so. Notice that nobody in these threads had a reaction equivalent to the left reaction of this incident, nobody said something like 'let's assume it was illegals and use this incident to attack everyone else and advocate death or some other method of removal from the population we can't specify to our enemies', it was merely 'well what's the evidence to claim this cause? We don't even know who did it'. It is amazing that an evidentiary basis is now itself political and evidently conservative. I was liberal for having no issue with the gays and supporting their battle for equality under the law. Now I am right-wing for being cognizant that men simply and factually can not get pregnant and that if somebody says they are X that does not mean they are in reality X. Questioning government claims for wars and supporting non-intervention except in clear case of self-defense used to be pretty far left; now it is right-wing to do so or to question the proclamations of the state.

10 years ago the same exact views I have today made me a lefty Dem, except that I liked all 10 of the bill of rights instead of only 9 of them. That was my only conservative opinion. My opinions have not changed. I guess am in favor of whichever side at the moment is in support of using actual evidence instead of just screeching about made-up things that are demonstrably false.

If this is the litmus test, then I believe the current answer is "none of the above".

Instead of saying to him, I know there is plenty of racism going around but this might not be a case of it, you called him a race-bating asshole. Try the former approach maybe?

That's why I'm a registered independent and hate every ballot I get ;)

This is what i read on the main page

''Welcome to Net54baseball.com. These forums are devoted to both Pre- and Post- war baseball cards and vintage memorabilia, as well as other sports."

What catches my eye and sticks with me are 2 words " devoted to "

Dont feel this thread fits the bill. I wouldn't mind if an admin removed this thread in fact i'd like to request it to be deleted or moved to the trash.

happy collecting all !

I know you're not very bright but if you accuse someone of saying something, you just might want to make sure you have the correct person you are trying to call out.

+ 1,000

It’s peculiar that none of you wanted to shut down the first thread on the main page where the majority of posters were convinced that it was the same guys who beat up Jussie Smollett that desecrated the Jackie Robinson statue and if you doubted them you needed to be sent to an indoctrination re-education camp.

Sorry eh, will try to be as smart as you, eh.

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Uhhh.... I'll give you my entire collection if you find me saying that on this thread or anywhere.
Maybe you got me mixed up with someone else?

btw I agree with both of your sentiments. There is racism going around (in many directions) and he is a race-baiting asshole.

Fair enough and yes, it was someone else. My fault.