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FS: 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson PSA 4.5
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FS: 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson PSA 4.5
$55,000 |
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and it was copied to the front page, from our BST section, for a few more eyes. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1451065 . |
I am just sick how much this card has appreciated. I would have LOVED to have retired early!!
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The card was removed for sale from eBay and MySlabs at that time and this individual was provided the evidence that the card is trimmed.
This same individual has now relisted the card on both eBay and MySlabs as shown below for $55,000-$70,000. Will also be curious to hear the explanation behind this. |
If the sale is made, maybe PSA will pay out on the total... or maybe not.
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Card looks trimmed along the left side, likely with the intent of improving the centering.
I don't like the two left side corners. The apparent alteration is more evident when looking at the reverse side, in which the trimmed edge and 2 corners don't match the natural wear of the opposite side. In addition, the card appears narrow side-to-side, and is quite loose within the holder. Was it BODA that outed this one? Never Get Cheated |
Now we can post comments in bst threads?
Different rules for different fools. Any card ever sold by pwcc should be mentioned in the listing here on the bst. |
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Classic.
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Thanks for the link Peter...
Amazing how the average person can immediately see the alteration from a small cell phone screen. Yet PSA can't (or won't) detect it with card in hand! :confused: Never Get Cheated! |
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They thought they could sneak this by? It has to be done with no regard for the cards outing as trimmed. Evidence there is no standing behind their product.
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Looking forward to hearing from the seller here.
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WOW, looks like attitudes of some have changed. I remember this exact subject come up a couple years ago and many said all that mattered was what the PSA flip said.
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Mark You are spot-on with your observation. Hey guys, For comparison, here is my JRobby which I can guarantee you has not tampered with. I acquired this card in the Spring of 1949 having pulled it out of a 1-cent LEAF wax-pack. https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...by1949leaf.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
File under american greed
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It's getting so the only cards we can trust are the ones Ted Z pulled from packs as a snot nosed kid.
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In 1949. Lol.
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How dare you call me.... "a snot nosed kid" :) Shucks, I was just a shy-guy. Whatever....I pulled this JRobby from a BOND BREAD package in 1947. https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...by1948BT_1.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
A term of endearment learned from my father. If you ever get your cards stabbed make sure they put your name on the label, they would definitely carry a provenance premium.
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I was only 10 years old in 1949....and there were times I was referred by some names much "wilder" than a snot-nosed kid. Sorry, but I have an aversion for "Graded" cards. Perhaps, my Grandson will get my cards graded when he inherits my collection. Anyhow, thanks for interjecting some humor into this thread. We could use lots more humor in today's overall situation. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Ted - I am in awe of you holding on to cards for this long. Now, that's discipline! . |
And Ted, if you're ever open to accepting applications to be your grandson, please let us know. :)
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Much respect to tez z octavio
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Bobby These 1949 LEAF's were the first colorized BB cards in our neighborhood. We young dudes "LOVED" them. We flipped them, scaled them towards the steps on our porches (like playing horseshoes). And, the Babe Ruth, Joe D. and Jackie were certainly our favorites. Now, to answer your question. This is what these cards looked like right out of their wax-pack...... http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...DiMaggio50.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
Ted's Cards
Will Ted be selling tickets to see his collection? I'll be the first in line. Has to be ridiculous..It's classic, anytime someone asks about a certain card or year Ted pops one up and then a couple more variations for fun. Great to watch. Thanks as always.
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And?
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Very jealous not only of the cards kept but the experience pulling them. I guess maybe you don't always know when you've got something iconic in your hands like a Jackie Leaf but I can't imagine anyone in the future will be thrilled by my stories of pulling Don Mattingly cards.
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AJ sent a message to me through another member. Here it is. (and for the time being the ban has been lifted :) so AJ can respond if he wants to)
AJ Johnson Asked Me to Send This Note To You- Hi Leon, I've been crazy with a work project that just finished up and didn't get a chance to respond on net54. I'm in negotiations with PSA to buy back the card and needed to establish a real world value for the card, which is why it was listed on ebay/net54/myslabs etc. The card was never going to be sold but figured if I could show PSA what someone was willing to pay for it in that grade would strengthen my case. I also hoped that it would garner some controversy (which it did :-) which will help my bargaining position. My position spelled out in a net54 thread is unchanged. If a TPG mistakenly grades an altered card, they should stand behind their guarantee and buy back the card at fair market value. cheers, A.J. . |
yes the ultimate goal is to have PSA (if they deem the card trimmed) to reholder the card in an auth-trimmed holder and pay me the difference between purchase price and established market price. I've got a whole slew of offers that I declined on Ebay and two written offers to show as proof.
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I guess there are no comps available through VCP or the PSA website for a 4.5 Leaf Jackie.
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no not really (especially given the craziness in the last 90 days). And I wasn't going to let PSA dictate what the market would bring
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When did you buy this and from whom?
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nvm
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7/25/2020 $17,500.00 4.5 233657167852 eBay tcale6hgl Best Offer 27581063 |
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Which he did, actually. 9/28/2017 $4,000.00 eBay (pwcc_auctions) 401407466019 |
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I had multiple offers on ebay for around $40k and I've got an offer from a private party of $45k (which the buyer will write up if requested). Best case, PSA re-holders it (if deemed trimmed) and pays me out the difference of $17,500 and $45,000. ($27,500)
Or they can buy it outright at $45k. Steve or Joe if you're reading this...I'll wait by the phone. |
I am still sick I sold my '6' for $2,200....lololol.......Man, I could be sitting on a beach right now.
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All you’re getting from PSA is an Opinion That’s All. US Attorneys Office Please Prosecute these card Trimmers, I know it’s super hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt even with a ton of circumstantial evidence and physical cards, with before and after scans, however until anyone can see the said person-actually doctoring the card I think it’s extremely difficult. I’m call For Civil Law Suits Going After Card Doctors, hit them in their wallets. |
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I wonder parenthetically if Nat will keep the guarantee in place or do away with it as another grading company did. |
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He took the risk bought the card at the time he should be able to reap the gain in its uptick at Sale. |
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PSA should want this abomination off the market, and the only way to assure that is to deal with AJ. Of course PSA should want a lot of things they don't seem to want.
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Here, though, the guarantee should control. |
And if it does not there is a pretty good body of law out there on consumer fraud, unfair trade practices, etc.
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A.J.- Why didn't you just ask for offers on the BST here?
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I wish I could post a pic. |
This particular situ begets a more interesting possibility, and that is someone scouting for a high value card sitting in PSA holder that has been obviously trimmed, and is for that reason not selling for its true value in the market.
Say perhaps you can make an agreement with the Seller of a PSA7 51' Bowman Mantle that won't move at it's contemporaries number, for perhaps 60-70% of that value, hold for few years while the market hopefully continues to rise, then bring the card to the attention of PSA for restitution of what a truly graded card at that particular tier would bring. You buy in at 40% below market but get to be made whole at full true value down the track, making not just the capital gain of the flip number but your bonus discount from below market purchase. Get on the hunt boys! :D |
How is PSA's guaranty supposed to work (we know it does NOT work)?
Wouldn't they pay you the difference between what you bought it for and what a PSA A is worth? I am not sure they will pay out on the upside or downside the card realized since it was acquired, since the purpose of the guaranty is to make you whole. Lets say the card had gone from $17k down to $8k (like back in 2016), what is PSA supposed to do then -- pay you the difference between $8k and the value of a PSA A? Also, if PSA will pay out on current value rather than acquisition price, according to VCP there was a PSA 4 that sold on 1/24/21 for $20,500 and a PSA 5 sold for $56,400 on 2/28/21. These are very current and relevant comps. Seems to me that a PSA 4.5 should be worth about the average of these two, which is $38,400. So it sounds like the offers you are getting are market. EDITED -- I now see an earlier post where apparently the buy-out is at market value.... If that is the case, then nobody with an altered card is ever incentivized to take it to PSA in a down market. I guess it goes to the heart of the propose of the guaranty and if it is PSA standing behind its "opinion" than the pay out should be at FMV, whether that is higher or less than acquisition price. |
It's not that hard to look it up.
If PSA, in fact, concludes that the card in question no longer merits the PSA grade assigned or fails PSA’s authenticity standards, PSA will either: 1.Buy the card from the submitter at the current market value if the card can no longer receive a numerical grade under PSA's standards or, 2.Refund the difference in value between the original PSA grade and the current PSA grade if the grade is lowered. In this case, the card will also be returned to the customer along with the refund for the difference in value. The current market value is determined by PSA, based in part on Sports Market Report and SMR Online values and/or recent prices realized from the marketplace. PSA will be the sole determiner of the current market value. |
Thank you! And why look it up when I can delegate?!?!
AJ, I think you should get at least $42k for your card from PSA based on two recent VCP comps. “Never Get Cheated” |
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I'm am curious how often PSA is determining that the cards have been altered. How often are they disagreeing with the results that have been presented on Blowout?
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It depends largely on how damaging the altered card is to PSA's image and reputation. In the case of the perforated Cracker Jack, it was an immediate decision to compensate. But with less obvious cards, you're potentially in for the fight of your life. |
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